Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[Zella]

3 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Yes, Dan and Deena are in Harrison. I wasn't sure what, if any, damage that area received. 

I think Jill referred to Cathy, since we can rule out Amy. 

I've not personally heard anything specific about Harrison. I wouldn't doubt if they have some garden-variety straight line wind damage in some areas without it being widespread. But there have been reports of a tornado and a death in Boone County,  which is where Harrison is. The death is east of Harrison and the counties that are also east of Harrison got hit very hard, with multiple deaths, so my assumption is the storm strengthened after leaving Harrison. I've not read any official confirmation of the tracks of everything for there though. They did confirm that there were 2 tornadoes that hit Decatur and 2 that hit Centerton, which are west of Rogers. During the storms themselves, they were reporting simultaneous tornadoes in Centerton and Decatur, but I don't know that anyone realized there were 4 tornadoes simultaneously or near simultaneously in the moment. 

Edited May 27 by Zella

[Salacious Kitty]

Now Amy has posted a video captioned "Clean up day 2." So, she might have had damage after all. A wall was blown out, and there was crap everywhere. 

[GeeGolly]

11 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Now Amy has posted a video captioned "Clean up day 2." So, she might have had damage after all. A wall was blown out, and there was crap everywhere. 

Looks like some kind of office building to me.

[crazy8s]

Amy's house also isn't as close to the street as this building was shown to be in her damage/cleanup video.

 

[Minivanessa]

It's over on the "other Duggars" thread: I think it's her MIL's business.

[Zella]

I didn't realize she owned a business. Actually I'm not sure I ever heard anything about her at all. 

[Salacious Kitty]

2 hours ago, Jeeves said:

It's over on the "other Duggars" thread: I think it's her MIL's business.

Yeah, upon second viewing, it doesn't look like Amy's crazy decor style.

[Salacious Kitty]

Any ideas? 

 

[Future Cat Lady]

I guess they want to make money by doing a podcast?

It doesn't sound serious when you don't even know what you want to talk/blog about.

[BetyBee]

I'm not on X, but if I were, I'd advise Derick NOT to do a podcast. He is likely to do damage to his young career. Most people are more interested in his wife's upbringing than in anything he has to say. And he's kind of loose lipped. 

[oliviabenson]

On 5/27/2024 at 4:40 PM, CalicoKitty said:

I'm pretty sure if Amy had had any damage, we would all know about it by now.  Including a GoFundMe plea.

Dax needs chicken nuggets and snacks! 

[oliviabenson]

6 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Any ideas? 

 

Looking for free ideas. Too lazy to come up with their own ideas.

[CalicoKitty]

11 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

Looking for free ideas. Too lazy to come up with their own ideas.

Maybe he is asking because he does not any flops like Jinger had.  It does seem strange, though, to ask for podcast suggestions.  My suggestion:  None.  Just keep to yourself.

[Zella]

He's always been a shit-stirrer. I think he's doing it just as much to goad people as anything else. But he's also said and written enough over the years that I do think he liked the public attention of the show if he had had more control over it. So, it wouldn't surprise me either if he's testing the waters to see how many people respond positively or continue to drag him for his past deeds. I think he's in for a very rude awakening, like Jeremy seems to have experienced, if he thinks most of the interest won't ultimately center around Jill's story and the whole Duggar experience, though.

[GeeGolly]

Well if we go by Duggar standards, Derick is an expert in missions, marriage, parenting, lawyering and all things Duggar. 

However IMO Derick is a 35 year old immature dude, who has been floundering for most of his adult life. I would say Derick doesn't have deep enough knowledge or expertise in any topic to start an interesting and/or sustainable podcast.

I don't think even his haters turned fans would tune in, beyond the first few episodes.

[Lisa418722]

He's never really stayed at a job.  It makes me wonder if he's getting tired of being an attorney.  Now that he and Jill aren't in the public eye as much as they were when the book first came out, I wonder if he's looking for the next thing.  

I know he can do both a podcast and be an attorney, but this is Derick.  

Edited June 3 by Lisa418722

[GeeGolly]

Did Derick receive any comments/suggestions? Since Twitter became Xwitter I can't see current posts.

[Salacious Kitty]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Did Derick receive any comments/suggestions? Since Twitter became Xwitter I can't see current posts.

The last time I checked (when I posted), it had a few serious replies. I wonder if he was zapping what he considered to be "bots." 🙄

[satrunrose]

Oooh, I would proceed with a lot of caution if I were Derick (and Jill). They are generally assumed to have gone fundy-lite and putting things out there that either confirm or deny that is going to raise some ire. Unless they went with something completely non-controversial (The Puppies are Cute podcast?), they will be back to getting a ton of negative attention. 

If I remember correctly, Jinger and Jeremy's podcast sort of managed to avoid controversial theology, but was so boring that they ran out of content within a few episode.

Edited June 3 by satrunrose

[CalicoKitty]

Maybe their "Happy Mail" has stopped arriving.

[Gemma Violet]

18 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I would say Derick doesn't have deep enough knowledge or expertise in any topic to start an interesting and/or sustainable podcast.

Since he's an attorney, he could do a podcast on law and discuss current or historical cases from an attorney's point of view, but I don't know if he'd get enough listeners to make it sustainable.

[MsJamieDornan]

On 6/2/2024 at 10:05 PM, CalicoKitty said:

It does seem strange, though, to ask for podcast suggestions. 

Interpretive dance ??

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Since he's an attorney, he could do a podcast on law and discuss current or historical cases from an attorney's point of view, but I don't know if he'd get enough listeners to make it sustainable.

True. Since he's still wet behind the ears, I think he'd have to do a lot of research to pull that off.

 

[lascuba]

On 6/3/2024 at 7:00 AM, Lisa418722 said:

He's never really stayed at a job.  It makes me wonder if he's getting tired of being an attorney.  Now that he and Jill aren't in the public eye as much as they were when the book first came out, I wonder if he's looking for the next thing.  

I know he can do both a podcast and be an attorney, but this is Derick.  

This was my immediate thought as well. He's the type to get really excited about a career and then bail when the the day to day realities of the work get boring. The thing he seems to most consistently like is the attention he gets from running his mouth.

 

 

[GeeGolly]

Wow, only positive comments/suggestions on his Xweet. I find it hard to believe that everyone has forgiven Derick's homophobic SM rants.

[lascuba]

8 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Wow, only positive comments/suggestions on his Xweet. I find it hard to believe that everyone has forgiven Derick's homophobic SM rants.

A LOT of people left twitter in the months after EM bought it. I don't know about fundie/snark twitter specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the people who stuck around are the type to be just fine with bigoted rants. And even those that normally wouldn't be, many people are so invested in the "moving on" narrative that they'll forgive anything.

[GeeGolly]

19 minutes ago, lascuba said:

A LOT of people left twitter in the months after EM bought it. I don't know about fundie/snark twitter specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the people who stuck around are the type to be just fine with bigoted rants. And even those that normally wouldn't be, many people are so invested in the "moving on" narrative that they'll forgive anything.

And of course there's the delete button.

[lascuba]

32 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

And of course there's the delete button.

Twitter lets people delete replies now? Because that would explain a lot.

[GeeGolly]

11 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Twitter lets people delete replies now? Because that would explain a lot.

I know nothing about Xwitter, then and now. Bad assumption on my part.

[Notabug]

7 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

True. Since he's still wet behind the ears, I think he'd have to do a lot of research to pull that off.

 

He doesn't have a degree from a top school or some sort of unusual experience that would qualify him to do a podcast, either.  There are people who do podcasts and make a decent buck, but, they've got an interesting background or interest that gets people's attention.  The successful podcaster also puts in a heckuvalot of time researching, finding guests, developing topics for their broadcasts.  Where would Derick and/or Jill find the time for that?

[Natalie68]

8 hours ago, MsJamieDornan said:

Interpretive dance ??

🤞

[satrunrose]

16 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Since he's an attorney, he could do a podcast on law and discuss current or historical cases from an attorney's point of view, but I don't know if he'd get enough listeners to make it sustainable.

That's sort of what I meant about caution. I'm an avid listener of The Casual Criminalist and while the host is pretty moderate, he does say some things that I disagree with, but ultimately, it doesn't hurt my overall enjoyment of the podcast. I'm not sure I would feel the same if the likes of Derick Dillard was the one speaking on similar topics. 

Edited June 4 by satrunrose

[Salacious Kitty]

The market seems over saturated with non practicing attorneys with podcasts/YT channels. I don't see him adding anything new or insightful to that space. 

[Zella]

On 6/4/2024 at 3:34 AM, MsJamieDornan said:

Interpretive dance ??

YouTube channel! LOL

[quarks]

On 6/4/2024 at 12:46 AM, Gemma Violet said:

Since he's an attorney, he could do a podcast on law and discuss current or historical cases from an attorney's point of view, but I don't know if he'd get enough listeners to make it sustainable.

As others have noted, I think the big problems here are that a) he'd be entering the field comparatively late, and b) it's not clear to me what he would bring to make his law podcast stand out from the others already out there - including some existing podcasts that focus on law from a Christian perspective and some podcasts run by prosecutors/former prosecutors. 

And on a possibly more minor note, I don't think most if any of these legal podcasts are making a lot of money. I know that one of the more successful ones, the non-profit Lawfare, is always, always, always begging for money, for instance. And that's with at least 500,000 listeners per episode and some grant money from various institutions.  And sure, some of that "please send us cash!" is because Lawfare also tries to do some original legal reporting - sending people over to courtrooms to listen in person, for instance - but it also doesn't suggest that these legal podcasts are exactly wildly profitable.

If the goal here is to increase the family income - not an unreasonable thought, given that prosecutors aren't usually among the highest paid legal professionals, and Jill's book sales have presumably dropped - Derrick might want to consider other options.

On 6/4/2024 at 9:12 AM, lascuba said:

A LOT of people left twitter in the months after EM bought it. I don't know about fundie/snark twitter specifically, but it wouldn't surprise me if most of the people who stuck around are the type to be just fine with bigoted rants. And even those that normally wouldn't be, many people are so invested in the "moving on" narrative that they'll forgive anything.

Yeah. I would guess that the response on other social media sites would be less positive. And Twitter across the board is also no longer just posting replies in chronological order - the algorithm highlights certain users over others.

But to be fair, memories are short, and Derrick came across as kinda sorta more or less normal on the Shiny Happy People documentary, mostly, admittedly, by not talking, and Jill presented him as a hero/prince in shining armor in her book. So I suspect that's also playing a role here.

[LilJen]

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[MultiMunkee]

Doesn’t Derick work in the district attorney’s office? I feel like his employer would not approve of a podcast 

[Notabug]

2 hours ago, MultiMunkee said:

Doesn’t Derick work in the district attorney’s office? I feel like his employer would not approve of a podcast 

Yes, Derrick is a civil servant and I would expect there are guidelines for social media usage for employees that do not include a podcast devoted to the law.  Then again, Derrick has worked for the DA about a year now, and, based on his prior job history, he may be ready to move on and the podcast is part of his next plan.

[GeeGolly]

There has been a few interesting court cases recently. Even straight forward cases with a few anomalies need seasoned lawyers to make sense of some things. The lawyers who I have been listening to have been prosecutors and defense attorneys for decades and also teach law at prestigious colleges.

I doubt Derick could get a teaching position in a law program, so I'm not sure why anyone would trust a newbie prosecutor to provide any deep and accurate knowledge of the law.

[quarks]

On 6/8/2024 at 10:14 AM, MultiMunkee said:

Doesn’t Derick work in the district attorney’s office? I feel like his employer would not approve of a podcast 

 

23 hours ago, Notabug said:

Yes, Derrick is a civil servant and I would expect there are guidelines for social media usage for employees that do not include a podcast devoted to the law.  Then again, Derrick has worked for the DA about a year now, and, based on his prior job history, he may be ready to move on and the podcast is part of his next plan.

 

Derrick might well be bored and considering alternative career paths, but as long as he doesn't comment on cases/investigations that his office is currently working on or could expected to be working on, I think he'll be fine.

Sure, most of the better known regular legal podcasts are run by former, not current prosecutors, but current DAs/prosecutors pop up on podcasts, cable TV news shows, and local TV shows all the time, and some of them run their own podcasts. A few are listed on the official webpage of the American Bar Association, so the ABA, at least, seems to be ok with attorneys doing both at the same time.

To be fair, podcasters who are also still working as prosecutors do seem to be focused on things like work/life balance and handling job interviews and that sort of thing, with only a few discussing true crimes and that sort of thing - but it does happen. 

So I don't think it would be a huge problem for Derrick to comment on, say, the Lori and Chad Daybell crimes, since those happened outside of Arkansas/Oklahoma. It might be a problem if Derrick started commenting on, say, drunk driving laws in Arkansas and Oklahoma. But even then, prosecutors frequently make public comments about various laws, so he might be fine.

I just don't think it's going to be very lucrative.

 

23 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I doubt Derick could get a teaching position in a law program, so I'm not sure why anyone would trust a newbie prosecutor to provide any deep and accurate knowledge of the law.

This strikes me as a much bigger problem. I do know a few people who did go from law school straight into teaching positions (not always at law programs, to be clear), but all of those people either had previous teaching experience at the university level and/or some very specialized experience and/or extensive academic publications. I don't think that's the norm by any means.

As far as I can tell, none of this applies to Derick. It's not even clear if he took any legal courses that dealt with the things that he does have some experience with - international mission work, reality TV, and working for Doordash. 

[Gemma Violet]

1 hour ago, quarks said:

It's not even clear if he took any legal courses that dealt with the things that he does have some experience with - international mission work, reality TV, and working for Doordash.

And accounting.

[CalicoKitty]

With a CPA and a law degree, I'm surprised he doesn't go into forensic accounting.

 edited to add:  or become an expert witness in finance cases.  I would think that would pay pretty well.  I'm sure even he would know not to blame the router.

Edited June 9 by CalicoKitty

[Salacious Kitty]

He's not a CPA, although I do think his college degree was accounting. 

[quarks]

The other thing is that Derick mostly seems motivated by the thought of having a podcast, when podcasts tend to be successful if the people on it are genuinely fascinated by/obsessed with the subject matter, not necessarily the thought of having a podcast. 

[Zella]

27 minutes ago, quarks said:

The other thing is that Derick mostly seems motivated by the thought of having a podcast, when podcasts tend to be successful if the people on it are genuinely fascinated by/obsessed with the subject matter, not necessarily the thought of having a podcast. 

Yes and this IMO was also the cause of Jeremy's downfall when he tried different ventures. He wanted to show off everything he ate and wore, but there wasn't really any content beyond "I'm cool, right?!" And that gets tedious even if you like the person.

[Absolom]

CPA would be yet another year of education plus exam prep and exams.  

I can't imagine listening to a Derick podcast any more than I'd tolerate Jeremy.

[awaken]

Plus, IMO Derick has a really un-listenable voice. I can barely stand to hear him speak. 

[Quof]

He has a face for radio and a voice for print. 

[GeeGolly]

I had such high hopes for Derick. Naively, I thought he was the real deal. Having a working, pants wearing mom and a college education fooled me into thinking he was raised more typically. It took me years to realize Derick, his brother and his mom are way more like the Duggars than not.

His attention seeking need for a podcast is no surprise to me this go round. He's shown who he is, and I believe him. 

[Gemma Violet]

4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

His attention seeking need for a podcast is no surprise to me this go round.

Or maybe he's just looking for another avenue to make money (although most podcasts aren't very lucrative).  It must be hard feeding a family of five on an Assistant D.A.'s salary plus whatever Jill brings in with her social media.  The book deal no doubt helped, but that was a one-time thing.