Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[JenCarroll]

It's hard to tell what this preliminary hearing is actually about. They may still be addressing the question of federal vs. state court jurisdiction. In any case, it's most likely procedural, not substantive at this point.

[Defrauder]

Wait a minute here, the possible criminal charges would be in PA?  Does this mean it is in the realm of possibility that Josh could be sharing a cell with Bill Cosby if both were to be convicted?

[Fuzzysox]

Wait a minute here, the possible criminal charges would be in PA?  Does this mean it is in the realm of possibility that Josh could be sharing a cell with Bill Cosby if both were to be convicted?

Yay it will give Josh someone to "convert."

[Defrauder]

Yay it will give Josh someone to "convert."

That would be a comedy that would write itself if it wasn't so deranged.  

[Churchhoney]

Yay it will give Josh someone to "convert."

 

And in return Cosby could teach Josh the English language, how to add, some stuff like that. Then Josh would walk away the winner.

[MarysWetBar]

And in return Cosby could teach Josh the English language, how to add, some stuff like that. Then Josh would walk away the winner.

As God would so righteously purpose cus Duggar so more godly and deserving. Edited December 31, 2015 by MarysWetBar

[Marigold]

I wonder if they'll all take him out for a celebratory drippy sundae.

My mind went to so many bad places with this one...

[Marigold]

Josh and Anna will be writing a book soon.

This little "situation" will turn into a book tour, speaking tour and all that Duggar jazz.

[Loves2Dance]

Josh Duggar and Bill Cosby together in the same jail.........I think my heart would stop. 

[CarolMK]

Seriously, why is the rehab program 6 months long? I had a relative who went to rehab centers for alcohol 4 or 5 times, and each time I think it was about 30 days long. If he wasn't Josh Duggar, who could afford to be in a rehab center such as this one especially when he isn't  working and has a wife and 4 kids at home with no money coming in? 

[Loves2Dance]

Seriously, why is the rehab program 6 months long? I had a relative who went to rehab centers for alcohol 4 or 5 times, and each time I think it was about 30 days long. If he wasn't Josh Duggar, who could afford to be in a rehab center such as this one especially when he isn't  working and has a wife and 4 kids at home with no money coming in? 

Because, money?

[Vermicious Knid]

Actual rehab being paid for by actual insurance generally only covers 30 days, I believe.

[Micks Picks]

If the relative has been to rehab for alcohol 4 or 5 times, he is actually putting in almost as much time as Duggar.  Also, apparently the 30 day treatment repeated over and over doesn't sound like it works real well.  I would not expect Duggar's rehab to work either.  But I seem to recall he only pays about $7000 and then works for free.  It's on the website someplace.

[Sew Sumi]

Seriously, why is the rehab program 6 months long? I had a relative who went to rehab centers for alcohol 4 or 5 times, and each time I think it was about 30 days long. If he wasn't Josh Duggar, who could afford to be in a rehab center such as this one especially when he isn't  working and has a wife and 4 kids at home with no money coming in? 

Interestingly, what I remember from the first of this, is that RU is $7500 for the six months. Most other rehabs I know are about 30k/mo. Seriously, and that's not just drugs/alcohol, it's mental issues, too. A fucking racket for the hoi polloi. 

[MunichNark]

30 days? That would not be long enough for anything. 3 to 4 months is about normal, here anyway.

[Vaysh]

30 days sounds long enough to "dry out" but not really enough to actually start working on the underlying issues of the addiction. At least Josh's Jesus Jail got the length of time spent right; it's a pity he won't be working on anything but bible thumping and house maintenance. Which sounds like a carbon copy of his childhood now that I think about it and we all know how well that turned out.

[Churchhoney]

Seriously, why is the rehab program 6 months long? I had a relative who went to rehab centers for alcohol 4 or 5 times, and each time I think it was about 30 days long. If he wasn't Josh Duggar, who could afford to be in a rehab center such as this one especially when he isn't  working and has a wife and 4 kids at home with no money coming in? 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people there aren't at the point where, when they're gone from 'home,' it's essentially being 'gone from homelessness and joblessness.' If you're down far enough on your luck, then the $7500 you'd pay for this could pretty much equal what you'd be spending at home, if you'd had a home. I'm guessing that when you put those people together with some richer super-Christians like the Duggars who are willing to pony up this amount and support any dependents left behind who nees supporting -- since it is a lot less than rehab generally costs, and it's supposedly super-Christian so super-Christians would see it as an answer -- you'd have enough people to make up the work crews that the RU runners make their money off of.

[CofCinci]

Seriously, why is the rehab program 6 months long? 

It's not a rehab program.  RU is not in any way shape or form an addiction treatment facility --- YOU CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS YOUR ADDICTION!  There is not a single licensed mental health or addictions professional on staff.  It's a peer-led program where people with less than a year recovery are considered leaders and mentors.

Edited January 1, 2016 by CofCinci

[leighdear]

At RU, the foxes basically guard the henhouse. 

 

And inexpensively I'd wager, as there are no pesky professional salaries to pay, no rehabilitation schedules to stick to and no physical therapy or medication to underwrite.  It's a slave camp where people try to pray away their demons.  

 

The ultimate scam factory. 

[ATwiLightSky]

It is a shame I don't live in Philly anymore or I would get a first row seat.

[greenturtle36]

It's not a rehab program.  RU is not in any way shape or form an addiction treatment facility --- YOU CAN'T EVEN DISCUSS YOUR ADDICTION!  There is not a single licensed mental health or addictions professional on staff.  It's a peer-led program where people with less than a year recovery are considered leaders and mentors.

 

but, but, but, but, but, but but but but but but but but... they are CHRISTIANS!!!!   and that all that matters in the eyes of the lord!  you don't need any stinking school, you don't need any stinking credentials or licenses or training of any kind!  All you need is Jesus because Jesus doesn't call the qualified, he qualifies the called-- a kid with a slingshot killed the giant blah blah blah blah blah.

 

I wish that were a joke.  That really is what they think.  When I was in the church, any self righteous unschooled person could call themselves a "counselor" because Jesus automatically qualified them.  they would get very offended when you asked about training, credentials, licenses, etc  because that is "worldly" stuff and that's the devil.  I wish that were a joke.

[Churchhoney]

At RU, the foxes basically guard the henhouse. 

 

And inexpensively I'd wager, as there are no pesky professional salaries to pay, no rehabilitation schedules to stick to and no physical therapy or medication to underwrite.  It's a slave camp where people try to pray away their demons.  

 

The ultimate scam factory. 

 

 

Just one more instance of JB and M screwing over one of their children -- and in this case by extension their daughter-in-law and four "grandbabies" as well -- because they're stupid, arrogant, mean and cheap.

Edited January 1, 2016 by Churchhoney

[Arwen Evenstar]

I know it's wrong, but I just flashed on the idea of an old-school Polaroid showing Josh hog-tied like a Thanksgiving turkey.

I guess I am hoping for everyone's sake that no one made a sex tape or anything.

Tabby Girl,

There's just not enough brain bleach to go around to unsee that!

[Arwen Evenstar]

Boob Force One was here in Rockford again on the 29th.  Only spent about an hour on the ground before flying back to Fundieville.  Found a screenshot from the Life is all not pickles and hairspray Facebook page on another forum.

Boob Force One? OMG I freaking LOVE it!!!!!

[JenCarroll]

At RU, the foxes basically guard the henhouse. 

 

It's literally the inmates running the asylum.

[kokapetl]

It's literally the inmates running the asylum.

All of their staff seem to be either former crackheads or former methheads.

[BitterApple]

All of their staff seem to be either former crackheads or former methheads.

But I bet they really know how to party:) They can get the good drugs, Josh knows where to score hookers and Cisco can bring the grub; everybody's got something to contribute!

[Churchhoney]

All of their staff seem to be either former crackheads or former methheads.

 

Plus, they're all current meatheads.

[redlaces]

It's like I'm watching a room full of George Carlin's.. Fucking genius. 

[GeeGolly]

Do you all think Anna & Josh are assholes when they're cranky?

 

ETA - I hope this ambiguous post didn't stop people in it tracks. I just had to.

Edited January 3, 2016 by GeeGolly

[RazzleberryPie]

Which came first, the parental obsession about sex and prevention thereof except in marriage or the firstborn's molestation of his siblings? It seems most likely to me that Josh is the result, not the cause, of all the Duggar weirdness about sexuality. JMO.

Good question. I honestly think that the obsession with Nike and modesty came after Josh's first molestation, and that the parental obsession with sex really didn't surface, at least on the 19 Kids Shows, until the girls became courting age and were marketing that dating advice books. 

 

I absolutely do not think Josh being taught to wait until marriage for sex or not giving him access to porn or teen sex caused him to molest his sisters. I think he's just a perverted creep trying to get away with whatever he could. Premarital sex was not the norm in most cultures for thousands of years, and neither was mainstream, easily accessible porn, yet people weren't feeling up their child siblings as a routine part of daily life. Josh is just a deviant.

[GeeGolly]

Which came first, the parental obsession about sex and prevention thereof except in marriage or the firstborn's molestation of his siblings? It seems most likely to me that Josh is the result, not the cause, of all the Duggar weirdness about sexuality. JMO.

It's a Gothard thing. And I agree that it certainly contributed to Joshes effed-uppedness.

[GeeGolly]

Duggarland upbringing, however, was never restricted merely to unrelenting warnings to participate in 'only marital sex'.

These parents seem to have had an obsession about sex and prevention thereof unless in the marital bedroom.

Proudly boasting ON TV of a maternal ovulation calendar on full display and thinking it's somehow 'cute' that the daughters 'watch it like hawks!' goes far beyond the usual religious 'Thou shall not commit adultery'. Dim Jim's apparent sexualization of everything screams loudly, especially when he finds it funny to, in public and ON CAMERA, remind his engaged offspring, 'heh, heh, heh, you can't do THIS yet!' as he assumes a sexually-charged position with his wife at a family-friendly venue like mini golf in a way he'd consider sinful if non believers performed similarly in public.

Well said.

 

And lets not forget that just because pre-marital sex was not the culture back in the day, it still happened. Many a first born were 8lb preemies.

[kaleidoscope]

I've been thinking about the plane trips to Rockford.  Is it possible that the first flight was to visit (small family group) and leave Anna there for a few days, and the second flight was to bring her back to the compound?  I cringe at the thought of M5 on the way.

[JenCarroll]

Dim Jim's apparent sexualization of everything screams loudly, especially when he finds it funny to, in public and ON CAMERA, remind his engaged offspring, 'heh, heh, heh, you can't do THIS yet!' as he assumes a sexually-charged position with his wife at a family-friendly venue like mini golf in a way he'd consider sinful if non believers performed similarly in public.

If non-believers did it, it would be sinful. If the Duggars do it, it's both wholesome and pious. I think that pretty much sums up their view of themselves.

[Chicklet]

The Duggars have warped, or are trying to, their religion. So yea do as I say, not as I do so just forget about that stuff you heard Joshy did or when you saw us humping at the local puttputt. And in their minds they are "pre-forgiven" no matter what they do. Again warped to hell and back. I don't think Jesus had this definition in mind back in the day.

[Sew Sumi]

The plane made a Springdale/Rockford round trip today. Given the weird one-hour stopover earlier this week, did they really let Smuggles spring the pop stand for a few days with the promise of a prompt return? Oddly, the plane was down in Rockford for most of the day today; did the Duggars stick around for the evening service before jetting out? 

 

So many questions...

 

This could also be flying the lawyer up to meet with Smugs, but not for three days. This one had to possibly be the weekend visit Anna is allowed every 45 days (with brief family exceptions given for Christmas)? I would use the word quickie there, but I don't think they allow conjugal visits, especially to a supposed sex addict.

[Muffyn]

The plane made a Springdale/Rockford round trip today. Given the weird one-hour stopover earlier this week, did they really let Smuggles spring the pop stand for a few days with the promise of a prompt return? Oddly, the plane was down in Rockford for most of the day today; did the Duggars stick around for the evening service before jetting out? 

 

So many questions...

 

This could also be flying the lawyer up to meet with Smugs, but not for three days. This one had to possibly be the weekend visit Anna is allowed every 45 days (with brief family exceptions given for Christmas)? I would use the word quickie there, but I don't think they allow conjugal visits, especially to a supposed sex addict.

Just like all sins are the same to them, all addictions are the same too.  So being a sex addict doesn't warrant any different treatment than any other kind of addiction.  As long as he's right with God, he's cured.  Hallelujah!  

[Tabbygirl521]

I wonder if the wardens...er, counselors at Jesus Jail would dare interfere with a headship's marital "rights." Maybe it is part of the cure for the sinner to have an encounter with his lawful spouse, to dispel the demons. Because that totally works.

[Sew Sumi]

Sex usually isn't permitted in rehabs when spouses visit. I don't see how Jesus Jail would be more LENIENT in this regard! LOL

 

After I hit enter, I also realized that Smugs is about 45 days away from release, so this could have been Anna's official long-weekend visit, giving her two visits in one week. It still doesn't explain the weird flight on the 29th, unless it just quickly dropped her off and left. I guess it would make sense to pick her back up on a Sunday. 

[Tabbygirl521]

Sex usually isn't permitted in rehabs when spouses visit. I don't see how Jesus Jail would be more LENIENT in this regard! LOL

After I hit enter, I also realized that Smugs is about 45 days away from release, so this could have been Anna's official long-weekend visit, giving her two visits in one week. It still doesn't explain the weird flight on the 29th, unless it just quickly dropped her off and left. I guess it would make sense to pick her back up on a Sunday.

Yeah, but this isn't a real rehab so you never know. And these freaks seem so fixated on marital sex and being constantly available and all all that creepy stuff that I wonder if ANYONE can tell the guy that he can't have sex with his spouse. Since they seem to be all about magic cures, maybe they hustle to get spouses back in the sack. Or not. Am just morbidly curious.

[Sew Sumi]

I wish someone had the cajones to ask Cisco about conjugal visits! You'd get your ass thrown off the chat so fast your head would spin. LOL

[Micks Picks]

So I guess if your problem was booze you could go to a bar then.  Drugs, a pill factory.  Cisco, a buffet.

 

I can't even picture sex with Smugger, not that I try very hard.

[JenCarroll]

So I guess if your problem was booze you could go to a bar then.  Drugs, a pill factory.  Cisco, a buffet.

Well, Cisco presumably is still allowed to eat regular meals. You can't actually give up food altogether. It might be the same with marital sex. In their view, it's probably not sex that's the problem; it's extra-marital sex, and pornography. So I'm thinking conjugal visits: A-okay!

Aaand now I want to know if Anna is stupid enough to want to get pregnant right now.

[CofCinci]

Speaking of sex with Josh, did those prostitutes ever reveal how much Josh paid them? I hate to admit that I'm curious about that...

[Kellyee]

After looking over the Web site for the "rehab", I must say that Josh is pretty smart. He ducked out of life, doesn't have to help take care of his 4 kids or deal with his angry and upset wife, gets to just study the Bible without being confronted by a qualified counselor about his bullshit choices,  and at the end of it, everyone is supposed to forgive him because he "graduated" and "developed a more personal relationship with Jesus". If you're looking to avoid responsibility for the mess you've created, this is an awesome plan. Meanwhile, Anna is living with her in-laws and caring for 4 kids. And mourning what she thought was a good marriage, after doing everything right and having it all go completely wrong. And she won't even get a "graduation" at the end of it.

[Sew Sumi]

Well, Cisco presumably is still allowed to eat regular meals. You can't actually give up food altogether. It might be the same with marital sex. In their view, it's probably not sex that's the problem; it's extra-marital sex, and pornography. So I'm thinking conjugal visits: A-okay!

Aaand now I want to know if Anna is stupid enough to want to get pregnant right now.

To the last: yes. It's how she thinks she can hold him, despite all the evidence to the contrary.

[Lemur]

Wait a minute here, the possible criminal charges would be in PA?  Does this mean it is in the realm of possibility that Josh could be sharing a cell with Bill Cosby if both were to be convicted?

 

I honestly don't know, as I've remained remarkable ignorant of the PA correctional system (largely through force of will).  Cosby is being charged in Montgomery County, which is just north of Philadelphia, where Josh's alleged assaults occurred.  I don't know if anyone convicted would do time in state or county facilities.

 

(Slight diversion, I grew up around the way from the Cosby house.  For shits and giggles, we used to pool hop at his house in the summer because there was no perimeter fence and rarely anyone home.  A couple of times, we'd see the old man himself home and not even try.  Can't help but wonder now what was going on those times.)

[NEGirl]

I worked in the criminal justice field for many years(no I am not a police officer).

In terms of the possible charges against Smuggars, the charges would be a mismd. charge from what I have read and any jail time would be in a county jail. Bill Cosby has been charged with a felony charge which, if found guilty, could result in state prison. The Judge/Prosecutor will take in effect the persons prior record and the seriousness of the charges before sentencing. Same goes if a plea agreement is reached. This case is probably a long way off from being settled. There will more than likely be numerous Pre-Trial Conferences/court appearances before it is settled.

 

Edited January 4, 2016 by NEGirl

[kokapetl]

Isn't this a civil lawsuit?