Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Purpose to defraud]

Hopefully those hate watchers will wait until it shows up on an ... shall we say ... alternative programming source before watching it.

I've never watched a single episode. The level of snark here, with all the other stuff floating around about these people, is plenty. No need to tune in, I know all about them!

[AnJen]

Could be. I guess he showed some enterprise by going to Pennsylvania and in scaling those bunk beds back in the day. I'm still not convinced that he used more energy in his pursuit of sex than pretty much everybody does, though. The search for sex hypes up everybody's motivation pretty drastically, I think, but I also think you're still somewhat constrained by the overall energy with which you're equipped!

I guess my experience among my own acquaintance suggests that among people with practical constraints such as children, only a handful manage to assemble a really large number of sex partners -- on the sly or even openly, and even if you're paying for them. And Josh seems a helluva lot more sluggish -- not to mention cowardly, tied to daddy's apron strings, prone to weep in the driveway when moving from mama's house, etc. -- than the people I know who've actually done that! It'll be fascinating to see what does come out and how this all unfolds.

I guess I'm just not buying the vision of Josh Duggar -- Lothario, powerful super-scary lover, Don Juan and Casanova. ha Something tells me his main companion has still been his fist.

I definitely don't picture him as any of those things...i more picture him as Frollo from The Hunchback of Notre-Dame. He pretends to be devout and pious while lusting after anything remotely female, and ultimately deciding that if all of these evil temptresses are making him aroused then he's just going to give in to his lust.

This is why i can absolutely see the porn star's story as being true. Josh definitely holds himself up on a pedestal and thinks he's God's gift to the world. He also seems to genuinely believe a good deal of Gothardism, so long as it relates to women at least.

I don't picture him as being sexy or enticing to *anyone* (grossss to even think that someone would see him that way)...but i think he's on a permanent power-trip, lusts after all women, and simultaneously thinks they're evil whores for tempting him (whether that temptation was because he saw a glimpse of a knee or collar bone, or whether it's because she's a porn star doesn't seem to make a difference).

I can absolutely see Josh putting on a facade to a woman he's paying for sex and then becoming violent and abusive. I don't think he's physically very intimidating, but i think he could catch a woman off-guard and hurt her, especially while on top of her, or go to a scary evangelical Christian screaming in anger at her and calling her names.

In the book, Frollo is so overcome with his lust/rage combination that he tries to rape Esmeralda; he curses her as a demoness sent by the devil himself, and tries to have her hanged. That just...screams Josh Duggar to me.

[JoanArc]

 

Has it been confirmed about the sponsors?  I've read (maybe on this board) that 75 sponsors have dropped out.  What's the source for this?  I hope it's true.

'Cancel the Duggars' on Fb is coordinating the campaign. Looks like over 600 down. TLC will still air this damn thing even with no sponsors.

 

http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2015/11/04/will-tlc-cancel-jill-jessa-counting-o

 

 

As of today, that number increased to almost 630 advertisers, including Hershey's Chocolate, Vtech, Pillsbury, Pepsi (Pepsico), Payless, Kraft Foods, Sara Lee, Fisher Price, and Maybelline.

Edited November 21, 2015 by JoanArc

[Missy Vixen]

I want to see Josh breaking out of Prayer Prison and hanging out in bars again picking up his next hook up and saying this is who I am, Anna is better off without me, and I am no longer Duggarized. 

I'm going straight to Hell for this one: I want to see Josh actually pay child support for four children under 7, which will necessitate his getting a real job and showing up there on time each day to work.

 

Maybe TLC will luck out and he'll end up in the Big House. And I'm not talking Jilly Muffin's McMansion.

Biggest question for me is if they do divorce will the Duggars take in Anna and shun Josh?

They'll never shun Josh. They covered for him for so many years and they're still doing it.

 

They will shun Anna.

[Gemma Violet]

'Cancel the Duggars' on Fb is coordinating the campaign. Looks like over 600 down.

 

 

Thanks, great news.  

[Sew Sumi]

I think my link to RU is busted. Can anyone supply me a good link? I miss me some Cisco! 

[greenturtle36]

This post is an attempt to explain why Anna, sadly, will probably stay, from the perspective of a woman in her shoes.

 

I've been reading this forum for the past month or so; I've been following the Josh Duggar story like a hawk ever since the 2nd scandal came out, not at all because I'm a fan-- in fact I think he's a worthless POS.  I would love to hope that Anna gets rid of him.  There's a tiny possibility but not very probable...

 

I was Anna Duggar.  Except thankfully, I did not have children, although my "Josh" was determined to try to get me pregnant.  I was married to a sex addict.  I can promise you a few things:  1.  Anna did NOTHING to cause or deserve it.   2.  I guarantee you, not only is he NOT sorry, the only thing he is going to make any attempt to do, is find another way to go behind her back and do it.  3.  Whether he was in "real rehab" or not, which he is definitely not right now... "real rehab" wouldn't do him a shit worth of good because he has no interest whatsoever in getting help.  

 

"Now, how the hell would you know that?  You don't know Josh, and you have no idea where he stands with the lord blah blah blah how dare you judge someone you never met!!!"   

 

You're right; I don't know Josh Duggar, but I DO know the nature of a narcissist sex addict.  I was married to one for 8  years.

 

Just like Anna, my husband told me when we first met, that he had abused his previous wife, and that he had surfed porn.  But you see, at the time, I was brainwashed by the evangelical church, which has you believe that "people change" because of Jesus.  He claimed that he had CHANGED and he was SORRY and he was a CHRISTIAN now!   Just like Josh told Anna.  And it was all a hot load of steaming bullshit.

 

He wasn't sorry... he was just looking for another unsuspecting person to sneak around on.  To "submit" to his perverted controlling ways, like a good christian wife is supposed to.

 

Each time I caught him cheating again, he told me how SORRY he was.  That he already asked Jesus for forgiveness, and I'm a bad christian if I don't forgive him because god won't forgive me, and let not man tear apart what God put together, and Jesus conquers all, and I have no faith in god and how dare I judge my POS cheating husband.  

 

On top of that, he was the breadwinner and I was financially trapped, so I really wanted to believe that "Jesus conquers all" bullshit, ya know?  it was my only hope of not being homeless.

 

After number 15, I was done and I left.  He told me I was going to hell for ending my marriage.  I didn't care.  Oh, and he cheated on his mistress within 48 hours after I left him...

 

Anyway, I'm rambling a bit and might even be breaking the rules by inserting my own story into this, but just giving  you a perspective from someone who has been there.

[Arwen Evenstar]

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[GeeGolly]

What an odd thing to say, "I was so sad to hear what happened.", like she is talking about an earthquake or something. I know it's just a teaser, and probably was filmed closer to the scandal, but it strikes me as odd.

[Churchhoney]

What an odd thing to say, "I was so sad to hear what happened.", like she is talking about an earthquake or something. I know it's just a teaser, and probably was filmed closer to the scandal, but it strikes me as odd.

 

Well, given how these teasers get made, it might have absolutely nothing to do with Josh and the sex workers. She might be referring to the sister molestation, or Jessa's post-birth bleeding, or an earthquake in Chile, or Michelle's arriving too late at Aldi's to snag 28 boxes of frozen lasagna. Who the heck knows what the clip will actually be about when the show finally airs? (if it's even in the show that finally airs)

[Purpose to defraud]

And the $500,000 is just a placeholder and wishful thinking, anyway, is it not? Under the circumstances, I have a hard time seeing a jury (or judge) awarding her that much when she agreed to have sex with the same guy again after this presumed traumatic event. ... I've been on some civil-trial juries with damages involved and the jury doesn't even know what the person is asking for. They decide on the awards entirely on their own. Is it different in Arkansas? I can't see her looking half-a-million worth of sympathetic to a jury, in this case.

Well, she'll explain that he was sorry the first time, so she and Jesus forgave him. 

Might fly in Arkansas.

[Purpose to defraud]

I would like to see a very raw indie documentary following Josh around for awhile once he gets out of Jesus Jail. Just very honest and in his face. Some sort of on-the-road with Josh thing, preferably filmed in black and white. Raw.

I'd like to never see any of them pictured again. They are worse than the Kardashians.

[kokapetl]

I read that quite a few American states have capped the amounts that can be awarded as damages for mental trauma.

Ms Dillon seems somewhat inscrutable. Along with the porn, stripping, and prostitution, she's married to a sailor and they have two kids.

[Missy Vixen]

I'm torn between sick inside over the choice Anna Duggar has to make in life and infuriated with her unwillingness to put herself and her children first.

 

TLC has no interest in exploring why a 27 year old barely educated mother of four kids under 7 would stay with a monster like Josh Duggar. Even worse, they're unwilling to spend a fraction of the millions they haul in yearly off the Duggars and their dysfunction to offer meaningful counseling and education/career assistance so she knew she had sufficient funds/a career that would support those four kids on her own.

 

There's plenty of blame to go around in this situation, but no matter how smug and annoying she can be, Anna didn't ask to spend her life dealing with a narcissistic sex addict. TLC's exploitation of what I can only imagine must be her overwhelming pain and betrayal (not to mention the continuing risk that Smuggar gifted his "precious wife" with God knows how many STD's) makes me want to vomit.

 

And I wish she had the self-esteem to figure out what the hell she could do to get herself and her kids away from him. Permanently.

[Fuzzysox]

This post is an attempt to explain why Anna, sadly, will probably stay, from the perspective of a woman in her shoes.

 

I've been reading this forum for the past month or so; I've been following the Josh Duggar story like a hawk ever since the 2nd scandal came out, not at all because I'm a fan-- in fact I think he's a worthless POS.  I would love to hope that Anna gets rid of him.  There's a tiny possibility but not very probable...

 

I was Anna Duggar.  Except thankfully, I did not have children, although my "Josh" was determined to try to get me pregnant.  I was married to a sex addict.  I can promise you a few things:  1.  Anna did NOTHING to cause or deserve it.   2.  I guarantee you, not only is he NOT sorry, the only thing he is going to make any attempt to do, is find another way to go behind her back and do it.  3.  Whether he was in "real rehab" or not, which he is definitely not right now... "real rehab" wouldn't do him a shit worth of good because he has no interest whatsoever in getting help.  

 

"Now, how the hell would you know that?  You don't know Josh, and you have no idea where he stands with the lord blah blah blah how dare you judge someone you never met!!!"   

 

You're right; I don't know Josh Duggar, but I DO know the nature of a narcissist sex addict.  I was married to one for 8  years.

 

Just like Anna, my husband told me when we first met, that he had abused his previous wife, and that he had surfed porn.  But you see, at the time, I was brainwashed by the evangelical church, which has you believe that "people change" because of Jesus.  He claimed that he had CHANGED and he was SORRY and he was a CHRISTIAN now!   Just like Josh told Anna.  And it was all a hot load of steaming bullshit.

 

He wasn't sorry... he was just looking for another unsuspecting person to sneak around on.  To "submit" to his perverted controlling ways, like a good christian wife is supposed to.

 

Each time I caught him cheating again, he told me how SORRY he was.  That he already asked Jesus for forgiveness, and I'm a bad christian if I don't forgive him because god won't forgive me, and let not man tear apart what God put together, and Jesus conquers all, and I have no faith in god and how dare I judge my POS cheating husband.  

 

On top of that, he was the breadwinner and I was financially trapped, so I really wanted to believe that "Jesus conquers all" bullshit, ya know?  it was my only hope of not being homeless.

 

After number 15, I was done and I left.  He told me I was going to hell for ending my marriage.  I didn't care.  Oh, and he cheated on his mistress within 48 hours after I left him...

 

Anyway, I'm rambling a bit and might even be breaking the rules by inserting my own story into this, but just giving  you a perspective from someone who has been there.

Thank you for sharing. I can see that what you experienced is exactly what Anna is going through. Thankfully you got out as for Anna we can only have high hopes.

[Anne Elk]

TLC programmers know that the only interesting thing about the Duggars is the Josh story. That's why Anna is in that promo; the easiest way to get attention for the show is to push the Josh angle. But I'd bet money that the Counting On show contains one interview where Anna briefly and unspecifically refers to problems in her marriage, and that it runs at the very beginning. And then after that, it is never mentioned again and it will be nothing but Jessa and Jill and their uteruses. In other words, I think it's just a bait-and-switch tactic to get viewers to tune in. 

[cheatincheetos]

Ms Dillon...'s 28, and 25 year olds are considered MILFs, i.e. over the hill, in the porn industry, so her career could've dried up due to that fact alone.

So he had his choice of porn stars, and went for someone MILFy, even a bit older than himself? Velllllly interesting...vellly interesting. *reaches for Dr. Freud glasses*

[dorcastrilling]

CheatinCheetos:

 

So he had his choice of porn stars, and went for someone MILFy, even a bit older than himself? Velllllly interesting...vellly interesting. *reaches for Dr. Freud glasses*

 

I siad it before and I will say it again, it is all mother issues with him.

[Tabbygirl521]

CheatinCheetos:

So he had his choice of porn stars, and went for someone MILFy, even a bit older than himself? Velllllly interesting...vellly interesting. *reaches for Dr. Freud glasses*

I siad it before and I will say it again, it is all mother issues with him.

I tend to think so, too. Consider that while growing up he was admonished to deny everyone's sexuality (yeah, that worked) EXCEPT for dry-humpin' Mama and Daddy.

[Arwen Evenstar]

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CheatinCheetos:

 

So he had his choice of porn stars, and went for someone MILFy, even a bit older than himself? Velllllly interesting...vellly interesting. *reaches for Dr. Freud glasses*

 

I siad it before and I will say it again, it is all mother issues with him.

And.....he's also got Daddy issues...he's Jim Boob's beyotch for life!

How can a 27 year old male with a wife and four kids be so immature? Boggles the mind...

[Churchhoney]

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And.....he's also got Daddy issues...he's Jim Boob's beyotch for life!

How can a 27 year old male with a wife and four kids be so immature? Boggles the mind...

 

Because, like all the rest of them, he was forcibly created to be a person with no soul, mind or will of his own. He was supposed to swallow the "thinking" of his crap parents and follow their lead without deviation because that's the only way they can imagine someone being able to live a "godly" life.     Too bad what it really does is create dead souls or monsters or, at the very least, completely confused and frustrated chidults.

 

Michelle and JIm Bob oughta be kicked from the TTH to Big Sandy and back again for their stupid child-raising theories.

[bigskygirl]

Josh went to DC to sell the beliefs his parents drilled into his brain at an early age. He capitalized on his parent's five minutes of fame aka famewhoring and being the oldest of nineteen kids. He thinks he is something special, people will be drawn to him, and he is above being punished for molesting five young girls and cheating on his wife. The devil is to blamed for all of his naughty behavior. He is not five years old. Time to take a look at himself for his past behavior and stop blaming the devil and momsie and popsie for the way his life turned out.

[BrianJ62]

Josh went to DC to sell the beliefs his parents drilled into his brain at an early age. He capitalized on his parent's five minutes of fame aka famewhoring and being the oldest of nineteen kids. He thinks he is something special, people will be drawn to him, and he is above being punished for molesting five young girls and cheating on his wife. The devil is to blamed for all of his naughty behavior. He is not five years old. Time to take a look at himself for his past behavior and stop blaming the devil and momsie and popsie for the way his life turned out.

Time for Josh to pay the piper.

[Arwen Evenstar]

Because, like all the rest of them, he was forcibly created to be a person with no soul, mind or will of his own. He was supposed to swallow the "thinking" of his crap parents and follow their lead without deviation because that's the only way they can imagine someone being able to live a "godly" life. Too bad what it really does is create dead souls or monsters or, at the very least, completely confused and frustrated chidults.

Michelle and JIm Bob oughta be kicked from the TTH to Big Sandy and back again for their stupid child-raising theories.

You are SO right on, Church ie! Believe it or not I grew up around fundies myself and went to one of those so called nondenominational Christian schools for a while...my parents weren't fun dies....and I later learned these folks were Independent Baptists..but omg they were heathens compared to the Duggars strictness....but I still felt relieved to not be too screwed up by it.

Something about strict Fundy way of life never sat well with me...when I got older I rrealized it was for many of the reasons you just stated...I think my mind is boggled by how screwed up their version of religion is and what its already done to Josh..though I should have said as much when I posted...and has yet to do to the rest of their kids...childults...excellent

Edited November 22, 2015 by Arwen Evenstar

[MyPeopleAreNordic]

Given how she was raised (brainwashed and unprepared to be able to support herself and her kids on her own), I just don't see how Anna can even begin to entertain the thought of leaving Josh when she's surrounded 24/7 by Duggar family members and likely living off of their charity while her husband is away at "rehab." (And I think Michelle and JimBob know this too.). I want Anna to leave. But I honestly think that is something that she cannot even think about doing in her current living situation. I have sympathy for her. I hope Josh mans up and leaves on his own.

Edited November 22, 2015 by MyPeopleAreNordic

[DangerousMinds]

I posted I think Jim Bob will help Josh. But i wish he wouldn't.Josh needs to provide for his family. I would hate for the kids to suffer but truthfully, if Josh got desperate letters from Anna like they are out of food and can't pay the electric bill, he might snap into reality. This church prison is like some down time for Joshie. he has most likely, learned NOTHING and hasn't gotten any better.This constant coddling of the Josh the Village Idiot is not helping him one bit.And coddling Anna isn't helping her either. It's easy for her to "forgive and move forward" when the Duggars are paying your bills, buying food and providing a roof for Anna.Anna has suffered tremendous humiliation and a crushing blow. But, unlike most women with four little kids and no education, she is living large. She is lucky in that respect because as we all know, when a man cheats and then abondons you with the kids, you are pretty much fucked. Anna has non of those worries.Maybe if Anna had shut off notices and had to scrounge around to get food for the kids, she would grow a spine and SET SOME BOUNDARIES for Josh.Jim Bob and Michelle are making this way too easy for both of them. (I am glad the children are taken care of)

Josh AND Anna need to provide for their family.

[Churchhoney]

The devil is to blamed for all of his naughty behavior. He is not five years old. Time to take a look at himself for his past behavior and stop blaming the devil

 

The thing is, they all blame the devil. If I do something bad, the devil made me do it. If I do something good, it wasn't really me at all, it was Jesus. And whoever decides to think something different will be having a thought that's absolutely new to this whole enmeshed pack of idiots -- and something that goes against everything they've heard from literally everybody they've known for their whole lives. That's going to take somebody with brains and guts. And I don't think Josh has ever shown much of a glimmer of either of those. (Despite his apparently seeming smart to some people, he's always sounded stupid to me; arrogant and trying to be slick, but dim ... And as for guts? -- Well, he cried in the driveway when he moved some hundreds of miles from mommy and daddy.... Not sure that qualifies for a courage award, since I don't really believe the crying was because of his warm heart and love of family .... I think it was because he's an insecure wienie who needs to hide behind skirts.)

 

And it's also probably going to take somebody who's both been exposed to new information and ideas and had some time entirely on his or her own away from this lockstep-thinking cult and forced to think for him- or herself or else. And they've arranged it so that nobody gets either of those things either.

 

I think you've got a dumb, lazy guy who, even now, has lived entirely within a single-minded cult that constantly preaches that the Devil's to blame for bad stuff and all the credit for good stuff goes to Jesus, not to people. And since it'd be so much easier if the devil were to blame, where will Mr. Dumb and Lazy find the motivation to say -- "Oh, we do stuff! Not the Devil or Jesus! I need to figure out what I think is right to do and then learn how to alter my behavior so I'll do that!"? Can a big uneducated dummy even come up with a thought like that? Would that thought have any appeal at all to a lazy slug?

 

I  think there's almost no hope that the Josh Duggar I've seen will ever change in that direction. At least not absent some absolutely world-shaking event that somehow forced him to or if he hit absolute rock bottom. But there's a long long way between where he is now and rock bottom.

Edited November 22, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Arwen Evenstar]

Boob has posted on the family website about how to prevent raising a son like Josh. Clearly we see how well those tactics worked out for Josh and how well he protected his own daughters...is there no end to the Duggar hypocrisy machine?

Clearly they do not understand the definition of insanity...doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Looking to Dim Bulb and Googly Eyes for parenting advice is like asking Hannibal Lechter for cooking lessons!

We ate his tater tot casserole with some canned green beans and a nice syrupy soft drink..slurp!

Edited November 22, 2015 by Arwen Evenstar

[Sew Sumi]

As noted in the other thread, the Duggars self-plagiarized. That article is ten years old if it's a day. It is rightfully getting slammed both on Facebook and People, who also published it as "new."

[Churchhoney]

As noted in the other thread, the Duggars self-plagiarized. That article is ten years old if it's a day. It is rightfully getting slammed both on Facebook and People, who also published it as "new."

 

"People" really needs to change its name to "Idiots."

[ChocolateAddict]

Not really on topic but I didn't realise that the Smuggar's had a miscarriage between Mackynzie and Michael (I didn't watch the show often).  I was looking on the Wiki page to try and remember how old some of the kids were and it says; "A few months after the birth of their daughter, Mackynzie Duggar, Josh and Anna Duggar learned that she was pregnant with their second child, but the pregnancy ended in a miscarriage". Does anyone remember that?

[Absolom]

Yes, it was shown on TV and then Anna talked about it at the women's jail facility when she was having a group meeting there.

[Sew Sumi]

Yeah, although they never confirmed it, the statements coming out at the time made it appear that it was one of those deals where she found out she was pregnant before a missed period (eta: IIRC, someone either here or one of my FB groups IDed the pregnancy tests that they use, and they're the super EPTs), then miscarried around the time her regular period was due. I didn't interpret it as being any later on than that. 

Edited November 22, 2015 by Sew Sumi

[mimionthebeach]

Yeah, although they never confirmed it, the statements coming out at the time made it appear that it was one of those deals where she found out she was pregnant before a missed period (eta: IIRC, someone either here or one of my FB groups IDed the pregnancy tests that they use, and they're the super EPTs), then miscarried around the time her regular period was due. I didn't interpret it as being any later on than that.

That's the way I remember it. Given how incredibly common that is (and most of the time women don't even know, because our morning routine doesn't include a pee stick) it seemed a bit dramatic to call it a miscarriage. But they got sympathy and free food and Anna got a martyr badge.

[Purpose to defraud]

That's the way I remember it. Given how incredibly common that is (and most of the time women don't even know, because our morning routine doesn't include a pee stick) it seemed a bit dramatic to call it a miscarriage. But they got sympathy and free food and Anna got a martyr badge.

or she jumped to the conclusion she was pregnant, so she could get extra attention by pretending to lose it in a normal monthly flow. 

These people need another hobby.

[greenturtle36]

I wonder out loud (and this may or may not already have been mentioned) why, if anybody had any vested interest in the marriage working out, why weren't they put in marriage counseling, instead of just shipping him away for months?  It's possible that, just like in my case, they went through a few marriage counselors already, to no avail.  One of the marriage counselors we saw, only saw us for one session, and declared that he would not continue because my "Josh" wouldn't stop whining and making excuses.  In fact, he walked out of EVERY session whining about how unfair it was that he "had to go through this bullshit" and that the counselor never wanted to address how it was all my fault (uh, because it wasn't?).  It got to a point where our counselor suggested that he needed to get help on his own, because marriage counseling was going nowhere.  So he referred "Josh" to a counseling group for men with sex addiction (it was christian based, but led by a licensed counselor)... and I told him that was his last chance with me.  He lied in group and gave lip service, but was otherwise non compliant; he threw a tantrum every time it was time to go to group, like a 5 year old kid refusing to go to school, etc.   Cheated again while attending group, at which point I left.  And LESS THAN 48 hours after I left, he was cheating on his mistress already, so tell me again how it was all my fault?  According to his mommy and daddy, it was...     I'm going on another tangent but just speculating, perhaps there have been marital problems for quite some time and perhaps they have been in marriage counseling (or not) and perhaps this was the last straw.  Maybe Anna said, "you're going away to get help, this is your last chance with me."  It would explain why she isn't in any way involved with him right now.  She's had it with him.

Oh, just to clarify, if there was any marriage counseling at all, I'm sure it was some unlicensed church elder who told them to read the bible more.   And now that I'm on a roll, why isn't Anna in counseling herself?  She might be, again, with some unlicensed church elder... 

[kokapetl]

JimBob on dealing with crisis:

“The Andy Griffith Show is…a very wholesome show, but when a crisis comes up, they leave God out of the equation." "They don’t pray to God asking for his help. Usually they solve the problem with deceit or manipulation. It’s really teaching how to live your life without God. Even though we watch those shows, we usually have a discussion afterward about how things should have been done differently.”

I don't think the Duggars (or Pa Keller) care how effective counseling might be for Josh and Anna, they'd consider it turning away from God. God is the most important person in that marriage.

Edited November 23, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Twopper]

 

“The Andy Griffith Show is…a very wholesome show, but when a crisis comes up, they leave God out of the equation." "They don’t pray to God asking for his help. Usually they solve the problem with deceit or manipulation. It’s really teaching how to live your life without God. Even though we watch those shows, we usually have a discussion afterward about how things should have been done differently.”

WTH?!  I guess I need to start watching a marathon of the Andy Griffith show because I don't remember that many serious crises,not deceptions or manipulations.And they were often shown in church, although as our priest often says "sitting in a church makes you

 no more a Christian/Catholic than sitting in the garage makes you a car."  There is always, of course, conflict and resolution or there wouldn't be a plot line, but I  think the only times I recall deception and deceit are in the plots involving criminals.  I always thought Andy handled things rather well, but then I don't have the advantage of JimBob's great wisdom.  Harumph!

[Oldernowiser]

What an arrogant putz.

[JoanArc]

 

“The Andy Griffith Show is…a very wholesome show, but when a crisis comes up, they leave God out of the equation." "They don’t pray to God asking for his help. Usually they solve the problem with deceit or manipulation. It’s really teaching how to live your life without God. Even though we watch those shows, we usually have a discussion afterward about how things should have been done differently.”

Here's one, a real episode I saw - Aunt Bee's cooking gets her noticed by a TV producer. She gets her own cooking show in the evenings, but is nervous about leaving Andy and Opie to fend for themselves. They lie and say they hired a housekeeper to clean the house and cook them dinner. Aunt Bee tapes her shows, but there's no housekeeper. Andy and Opie can't cook or clean well, and suffer, but lie to Aunt Bee about it. She eventually sees through their lies, gives up the show and comes home. Everyone is happy.

 

So what would Jim Bob's lesson be? Men should be able to care for themselves? No. Women shouldn't leave the house? Yes. Aunt Bee was wrong for catching someone's attention? Definitely. What to do differently - Have Jana be your housekeeper while you film your reality show. Problem Solved.

[Twopper]

 

Here's one, a real episode I saw - Aunt Bee's cooking gets her noticed by a TV producer.

Oh, I had forgotten that one.  It sounds like it was one of the later color episodes which I suppose I saw originally (yeah, I am that old!) but the old episodes I catch now are almost always the older b&w ones.  My DIL thinks his criticism of the Andy Griffith show would be more appropriate for "I Love Lucy" with her zany plots. Not the part about seeking a solution in prayer, but the manipulation part.

 

[BatmanBeatles]

So I guess The Andy Griffith Show isn't about entertainment so much as a cautionary tale.

[Churchhoney]

So I guess The Andy Griffith Show isn't about entertainment so much as a cautionary tale.

 

Everything in the media is a cautionary tale. Except for 19 Kids and Counting and its prequels and spinoffs. They present the ideal of family life in America.

 

Remember that.

[NEGirl]

OMG - Every time we think we have heard it all from JB he comes out with something like this. What an asshole.

[Missy Vixen]

Re: Anna and the counseling.

 

We have a friend who attended Mars Hill Church in Seattle. Did you know their membership is asked to sign a contract stating that they will not seek counseling with anyone outside of the church? The friend in question has been in need of marriage counseling for quite some time. I kept recommending that she seek counseling with an outside source. Their "counseling" is to tell her it's all her fault.

 

Anna's "counseling" is Jim Boob and J-Chelle telling her that she cannot divorce Josh. Right after that, her parents call and tell her she can't divorce Josh. That family has a vested interest in her staying married. After all, they can milk it for cash/tout the "healing benefits" of "forgiveness". They certainly aren't bringing in anyone who actually has a degree and a license to talk to a woman who has suffered the worst betrayal there is in a marriage and had it splashed across the headlines in every media source for the past six months. One has to wonder if she's even seen an OB/GYN to test for STD's.

[cmr2014]

JimBob on dealing with crisis:

“The Andy Griffith Show is…a very wholesome show, but when a crisis comes up, they leave God out of the equation." "They don’t pray to God asking for his help. Usually they solve the problem with deceit or manipulation. It’s really teaching how to live your life without God. Even though we watch those shows, we usually have a discussion afterward about how things should have been done differently.”

I don't think the Duggars (or Pa Keller) care how effective counseling might be for Josh and Anna, they'd consider it turning away from God. God is the most important person in that marriage.

 

I've read this quote before and it's just so preposterous that I haven't given it much thought but I wonder if this is a lesson from a Wisdom booklet or a Gothard sermon. I just can't picture any of this. The whole thing implies a family daynamic that we have never seen. The family watching television together -- no. They've never shown a television in the house, and the family never does anything together unless TLC is footing the bill to send them somewhere. JB noticing that some little blip from this television show is outside of their strict religious interpretation -- no. JB has never had an original thought in his life and I can't imagine him being able to clearly explain why Andy and Opie pretending to like Aunt Bea's pickles is immoral. 

[JoanArc]

They have a little black and white TV. It was the one Joy had to cover up. They could also watch episodes at Amy's or on their laptops, iMacs, iPads, or phones. No one needs a real tv anymore.

[Churchhoney]

I've read this quote before and it's just so preposterous that I haven't given it much thought but I wonder if this is a lesson from a Wisdom booklet or a Gothard sermon. I just can't picture any of this. The whole thing implies a family daynamic that we have never seen. The family watching television together -- no. They've never shown a television in the house, and the family never does anything together unless TLC is footing the bill to send them somewhere. JB noticing that some little blip from this television show is outside of their strict religious interpretation -- no. JB has never had an original thought in his life and I can't imagine him being able to clearly explain why Andy and Opie pretending to like Aunt Bea's pickles is immoral. 

 

This piece quotes Jim Bob talking about them watching Andy Griffith dvds.   http://www.celebitchy.com/188242/the_duggars_dont_let_their_kids_watch_regular_tv_or_have_any_pets/

 

I'll bet you're right about the "they don't turn to prayer in Mayberry" thing being something that JB heard from someone else. I don't see him being smart or thoughtful enough to come up with that on his own either.

[Purpose to defraud]

Oh, I had forgotten that one.  It sounds like it was one of the later color episodes which I suppose I saw originally (yeah, I am that old!) but the old episodes I catch now are almost always the older b&w ones.  My DIL thinks his criticism of the Andy Griffith show would be more appropriate for "I Love Lucy" with her zany plots. Not the part about seeking a solution in prayer, but the manipulation part.

I'm sure Lucy is too worldly for them. She actually tries to trick her headship because she wants to be more than a housewife.

[Arwen Evenstar]

or she jumped to the conclusion she was pregnant, so she could get extra attention by pretending to lose it in a normal monthly flow. 

These people need another hobby.

Yes! They totally need another hobby as they are finding that limitless procreation isn't sustainable....their shameless grifting has long become tiresome...other than preachy online screeds and posts...besides Jinger and her photography WTF does anyone among their adult (and I use this term loosely) children do or could do that's even productive or make a living in the real word outside of the compound?

As a semi professional photographer myself, I'm disgusted by how Jinger is being kept from following her star! Free Jinger! I'm sure the though of her going to art school and photographing nudes and printing them in a darkroom or seeing someone else's photo floating in the trays...would boggle Boobs mind. These activates are completely optional anyway but some of the greatest works of art are nudes. I guess art history isn't taught at SOTDRT.

Most Fundy people I knew growing up encouraged higher education, albeit at a Christian college, but understood that being able to provide for themselves and survive outside in the real world was vital.