S06.E07: The Broken Man

[revbfc]

7 minutes ago, Lady S. said:

Yeah, for that matter, I think Jaime should have died from sepsis in s3 too. It looked like there were days between his behanding and his treatment by Qyburn, and Locke really wasn't doing anything to prevent infection, so seems like the Kingslayer should have been DOA by the time they reached Harrenhal. Then this season started with Theon and Sansa surviving a very high drop with no broken bones at all so the show's willingness to use plot armor feels pretty equal to their willingness to kill off main characters tbh.

Updated.

I get that, but my strange perception of this world allows me to grant them some leeway.

Firstly, I can brush off grave wounds not being fatal by these people living in a time when only the very strong would even live to adulthood.  If you have a strong immune system, your may be able fight off infection better.  It's not an airtight theory but that's one way I look at it.

 

The second way I look at it is that this is not Earth, and these people aren't exactly humans.  They are analogous to us and very similar, but not the same.  These versions of "men" may be better at withstanding horrible injuries.

[Moon Martini]

My first thought when Arya was stabbed was: "hasn't time with the Many Faced God peeps taught you anything?"  I mean, really? She's like a clueless bumpkin walking around in broad daylight like that. The second thought was, "Yay, finally, Arya is dead" 

Then, imagine the disappointment seeing her stumbling around after being sliced, diced, and swimming in bacteria infested waters.  Really poor writing there.

Jaimie....Please go away. You are boring as piss. Even Blackfish recognized that.

Moar Lyanna Mormont. That girl can rule, and throw shade at the same time. 

And the HOUND.  Always had a soft spot for that killing bastard. 

[izabella]

I can give leeway on people not dying from mortal wounds or subsequent infections if they were consistent about it.  But they are not.  Just ask Drogo. 

So, plot armor it is, sigh.

[mojoween]

I thought Drogo's wounds were magically enhanced?

[Lady S.]

3 minutes ago, mojoween said:

I thought Drogo's wounds were magically enhanced?

Yeah, he was being treated by a witch who'd been raped by his khalasar and claimed to have killed his unborn son to prevent more Dothraki pillaging. I don't think she was ever genuinely trying to heal him, just get him on the brink on death so Dany would agree to the blood magic which sacrificed her son.

[izabella]

His wound was already infected; in the absence of antibiotics, he would have died, eventually.  Like the Hound should have.

[myname2use4now]

I love how Rory McCann can be a big, scary guy one minute and then manage to bring out the little boy who was punished for stealing his brother's toy the next. I loved it when the preacher poked at his leg and he moved it away like a kid. The hound just needs a good woman to teach him. I think he's got heart and he's one of my favorite characters.

Lady Mormont...more of her, please! "She's a Bolton, or is a Lannister? I have conflicting information." Haha!

[zulualpha]

There's no way Arya's dying at this point imo.  When she managed to swim away from the bridge where the Waif was watching then got up and started walking, however unsteadily, I assumed the dagger blows missed their mark.  Earlier Arya had been tossing around big bags of coins so I think the dagger must have hit the coins and missed her vital organs.  It will be one of those scenes where a healer says to her "You were really lucky young lady!  An inch to the left and you would have been a goner!.  Good thing you had those bags of silver on you to deflect the stabbings."  Either that or as someone upstream suggested it was all a dream which would be really cheap!

[maydaymayday]

3 hours ago, marcee said:

I wonder if A Man went around in Arya's face to see what the waif would do..

I don't think he can do this if she is still alive.

[mojoween]

Was last night the first time they said that Stannis was beheaded, or did we know that previously?

[marcee]

21 minutes ago, maydaymayday said:

I don't think he can do this if she is still alive.

But didn't we see her see herself in the hall of faces a few episodes ago? Right before she went blind?

[EyesGlazed]

I found the brothel scenes to be disgusting.  It's no longer enough for GOT to show tits, tits and more tits, but now they are progressing to showing us people licking and sucking tits?  It was really porny and gross.  It distracted me from the episode and not in a good way.

[Tara Ariano]

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[izabella]

39 minutes ago, mojoween said:

Was last night the first time they said that Stannis was beheaded, or did we know that previously?

Brienne confirmed it when she was giving the Red Woman and Davos the fisheye at Castle Black.  She walked right up to them and cited all of Stannis's sins, complete with evil Smoke Baby Baratheon killing her beloved Renly, before telling them she cut his head off.

Edited June 6, 2016 by izabella

[Drogo]

27 minutes ago, izabella said:

Brienne confirmed it when she was giving the Red Woman and Davos the fisheye at Castle Black.  She walked right up to them and cited all of Stannis's sins, complete with evil Smoke Baby Baratheon killing her beloved Renly, before telling them she cut his head off.

Makes me worry about Brienne's future. No beheader has lived well since.

Ned beheads NW deserter, Ned is executed for treason.  Ilyn Payne beheads Ned, disappears shortly thereafter.   Robb beheads Karstark, gets killed with wife/mother/baby.  Theon beheads Rodrick, gets kidnapped/tortured, lives but as a shell of a man.  Jon beheads Slynt, gets killed by NW brothers.  Did I miss anyone?

[izabella]

That's quite a list, Drogo.  I never thought of it that way, and now I'm in fear for Brienne's life. 

[RCharter]

I don't know....I don't think Brienne is a liar, but I also think this is one of those shows that likes to show me when someone's head gets cut off....and has a penchant for putting people in deadly positions, but if you don't actually see them die they can come back.....like the Hound.  Brienne may have potentially been shit talking?

[DarkRaichu]

1 hour ago, Drogo said:

Makes me worry about Brienne's future. No beheader has lived well since.

Ned beheads NW deserter, Ned is executed for treason.  Ilyn Payne beheads Ned, disappears shortly thereafter.   Robb beheads Karstark, gets killed with wife/mother/baby.  Theon beheads Rodrick, gets kidnapped/tortured, lives but as a shell of a man.  Jon beheads Slynt, gets killed by NW brothers.  Did I miss anyone?

Sorry, Drogo, but Daario beheaded his 2nd sons comrades and that slave who killed his ex-master.  He still lives to tell the tales, plus he got to be Dany's boy toy :P

Edited June 7, 2016 by DarkRaichu

[Harald Hardrada]

[The Mighty Peanut]

3 hours ago, EyesGlazed said:

I found the brothel scenes to be disgusting.  It's no longer enough for GOT to show tits, tits and more tits, but now they are progressing to showing us people licking and sucking tits?  It was really porny and gross.  It distracted me from the episode and not in a good way.

I don't know what it says about me that my reaction was a mild sort of delight that no one was being raped.

[SimoneS]

I wonder if you’re the worse person I have ever met. At a certain age, it is hard to recall, but the truly vile do stand out through the years. - Olenna Tyrell

I hope Olenna lives to see Cersei get the payback that she so richly deserves. 

I barely noticed the bare chested women in the brothel scene. I was too wrapped in Yara and Theon's conversation.

Edited June 7, 2016 by SimoneS

[revbfc]

5 hours ago, EyesGlazed said:

I found the brothel scenes to be disgusting.  It's no longer enough for GOT to show tits, tits and more tits, but now they are progressing to showing us people licking and sucking tits?  It was really porny and gross.  It distracted me from the episode and not in a good way.

Have you been watching the heavily censored versions of this show that some countries get?  There has ALWAYS been a good amount 2nd base action in GOT, and I never want that to change.

Edited June 7, 2016 by revbfc
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[Dobian]

I think all may not be as it seems with Arya's stabbing.  It may not have even been Arya.  There are a lot of odd inconsistencies surrounding it.  I sense a big reveal coming.

[LittleIggy]

Ian McShane will always be Al Swearengen to me. He can swear like nobody's business. Lady Mormont is indeed awesome. So is Blackfish.

[maydaymayday]

12 hours ago, marcee said:

But didn't we see her see herself in the hall of faces a few episodes ago? Right before she went blind?

Now that you mention it, I think we did.

[GrailKing]

On 6/6/2016 at 3:01 AM, BookElitist said:

Young Lady Mormont IS tough sμ¡+. But, (ha!) she sounds rather like a young Draco Malfoy.

Uughu, Sansa. Jon watch your back.

 

 

21 hours ago, truelovekiss said:

I'm confident that Sansa will ruin everything by being a stupid girl with stupid dreams, as she does. Littlefinger got into her head with his "halfbrother" jab, and when Jon didn't listen to her about getting more men, it just set her off to go rogue. They don't fully trust each other, and I think that if they don't fix their relationship, it will hurt them in trying to take back Winterfell and saving Rickon.

My first impression of Lyanna Mormont was that she was just like Arya, and she was close to the age Arya was the last time Jon and Sansa saw her. So I was surprised that they had such a difficult time relating to her, especially Jon. I'm glad Ser Davos had a moment, though. 

Speaking of the letter, I hardly think that sending ravens with military strategy is the best idea. She really should have written something like "remember what you offered the last time we saw each other? I'll take you up on that."

<snip>

While I think it's a possibility that that letter may go to LF, I'm more inclined to the opposite; Sansa and Jon have their discussion, Sansa begs him to go to Lord Cerwyn

 

Boyce or Fletcher code names for Cerwyn and Manderly?

and Jon refuses,( he's heading into a suicide raid at this point) we then cut to Sansa writing the letter, if it's to LF no need for her to sign it Sansa Stark , I think it's to the inexperienced new Lord Cerwin.

At some point I think Sansa will tell Jon, and they will split up, I think Davos goes with Sansa and Mel with Jon.

I think we may get a face to face with both or one of these lords, Sansa has the right of the numbers problem, she's trying to avoid letting LF back in ( but will have to).

With what Sophie has been saying but most notably what Liam Cunningham has stated since last year ( Sansa is going to have a hell of an arc)

I think we are seeing a pen is mightier then a sword episode from Sansa.

If people watch Sophies facial expression in the Lady Mormont scene, she noticed how Davos convinced the Lady of Bear Island, just as she understood how LF got to her, then tried the same thing on Theon (your the last surviving son....).

We still haven't had the VO by Sansa ( when I think of what was taken from me) I don't think she needs to say that to LF; Lord Royce maybe, or Manderly maybe, Cerwin maybe, Robert Arryn maybe; not LF.

Edited June 7, 2016 by GrailKing

[izabella]

45 minutes ago, GrailKing said:

While I think it's a possibility that that letter may go to LF, I'm more inclined to the opposite; Sansa and Jon have their discussion, Sansa begs him to go to Lord Cerwyn

Who is Lord Cerwyn???  Did I miss this scene?  I thought she was urging Jon to go to the new Karstark, though she must not know he's all hooked up with Ramsey.

[One Tough Cookie]

21 hours ago, Popples said:

At some point the Brotherhood acquired horses. When they saw the Hound at the Inn they where they left Hot Pie, they left on horseback. And they put bags over Arya and Gendry's head so they couldn't tell anyone exactly where their location was. They also got their hands on a wagon, because when they captured the Hound, Anguy (who I hope pops up) deliberately smacked the Hound's bagged head on the top of it.

I just spend my time wondering at which one he and Brienne will honeymoon.

Her bridal shower will be awesome.  I hope we're all invited. I'm trying to think of the "theme"...Sexy armor for the wedding night? a lead crystal sword holder to hang over the fire?

Edited June 7, 2016 by One More Time

[Unknown poster]

49 minutes ago, izabella said:

Who is Lord Cerwyn???  Did I miss this scene?  I thought she was urging Jon to go to the new Karstark, though she must not know he's all hooked up with Ramsey.

He's another (relatively new) Northern Lord. Ramsey murdered his father, presumably, for refusing to pay taxes to house Bolton. The bodies of the late Lord Cerwyn and his wife where on display outside Winterfell last season.

[Law Mom]

Maybe Sansa's letter wasn't to Littlefinger but to cousin Robin himself. After all, isn't he the one directly in charge?

[revbfc]

11 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Maybe Sansa's letter wasn't to Littlefinger but to cousin Robin himself. After all, isn't he the one directly in charge?

That crossed my mind, too.  My big worry about that would be Robin's inability to do anything without fucking it up (that includes opening a letter).

Edited June 7, 2016 by revbfc

[Dobian]

On ‎6‎/‎6‎/‎2016 at 0:01 AM, BookElitist said:

Young Lady Mormont IS tough sμ¡+. But, (ha!) she sounds rather like a young Draco Malfoy.

Oh yes, lol.  I kept thinking Joffrey, but she looks and talks like Malfoy in Sorcerer's Stone.  From now on I'm calling her Draco.

[GrailKing]

31 minutes ago, Law Mom said:

Maybe Sansa's letter wasn't to Littlefinger but to cousin Robin himself. After all, isn't he the one directly in charge?

That's her cousin, she already knows he's under LF thumb, so it won't go to him (My opinion), Lord Royce maybe, but she already knows LF owns at least some Arryn Knights and may think some belong to Royce, w/o Royce's knowledge, (again my opinion).

[GrailKing]

1 hour ago, izabella said:

Who is Lord Cerwyn???  Did I miss this scene?  I thought she was urging Jon to go to the new Karstark, though she must not know he's all hooked up with Ramsey.

Unknown poster answered, but the Karstark thing was more or less ended when Davos told her of Robb beheading the Lord of Karhold.

Now could Sansa try to go there and sow some discontent, maybe; but she's pass that point already at the camp.

Edited June 7, 2016 by GrailKing

[revbfc]

14 minutes ago, GrailKing said:

Unknown poster answered, but the Karstark thing was more or less ended when Davos told her of Robb beheading the Lord of Karhold.

Now could Sansa try to go there and sow some discontent, maybe; but she's pass that point already at the camp.

Which Grail King are you, GRAILKING?  Titurel?  Amfortas?  Parzival?

[GrailKing]

38 minutes ago, revbfc said:

Which Grail King are you, GRAILKING?  Titurel?  Amfortas?  Parzival?

??? never used or known the last 3 why?

[revbfc]

5 minutes ago, GrailKing said:

??? never used or known the last 3 why?

Just asking.

[CletusMusashi]

If Arya turns out to have been using theatre blood packs, I will feel very ripped off. Anyone remotely trained as an assassin should be easily capable of knowing whether they sank a knife deeply into someone's body or just barely into the surface. So I'm gonna say the stabs are real. Okay, maybe they might not be fatal, but for her to be back in the action any time soon the healing is going to have be supernatural.

I don't suppose there's any chance of one of Qyburn's old college buddies finding her and creating FrankenStark, is there?

Edited June 13, 2016 by CletusMusashi

[Hecate7]

On 6/6/2016 at 7:24 AM, RCharter said:

A child would also be a mistake, because ostensibly that child would be basically handed over to the High Sparrow.  And even if Margery could turn Tommen around, then the High Sparrow could work to overthrow Tommen in favor of his child.  Or just have Tommen killed and rule as reagent for their child.  I think this is why the High Sparrow is pushing for a child, and if Margery doesn't start "performing" her marital duties, I think he is going to get more and more suspicious. And its not like she can engage in birth control, or termination with that lady following her around.

but if she's not with child, she's gone after Tommen dies. Not even Queen Mum or Queen Regent--just plain old Lady Margaery again. I think she might lie about it and say she's with child even if she isn't, just to keep her hold on the throne a little longer, until she can suss out who comes next in the "lawful succession, the natural progression, etc..." and marry that guy. Since paternal uncles are deceased, and there are no living cousins, it's looking like Gendry's up next, as the last living bastard sibling of King Tommen. If he can't be found or is presumed dead, does that mean Cersei, Margaery, or Jaime are in line? What happens when there are no cousins? Selyse seems to have burnt all the Florents, so they're out, too.

[Hecate7]

18 hours ago, RCharter said:

I don't know....I don't think Brienne is a liar, but I also think this is one of those shows that likes to show me when someone's head gets cut off....and has a penchant for putting people in deadly positions, but if you don't actually see them die they can come back.....like the Hound.  Brienne may have potentially been shit talking?

Wouldn't Brienne be more comfortable simply keeping silent, rather than pretending she beheaded Stannis? It's odd that they didn't show it, but there's simply no reason for her not to do it.

[Hecate7]

3 hours ago, GrailKing said:

That's her cousin, she already knows he's under LF thumb, so it won't go to him (My opinion), Lord Royce maybe, but she already knows LF owns at least some Arryn Knights and may think some belong to Royce, w/o Royce's knowledge, (again my opinion).

Besides, can Robin Arryn even read?

The letter is probably to LF, and yes, there's a reason to sign Sansa Stark, and Lyanna Mormont pointed it out. Sansa is technically Lady Bolton now, and Ramsey's death, provided Rickon doesn't survive, would make Sansa Wardeness of the North by marriage. The Lannister marriage isn't valid because it was never consummated. Sansa, by signing Stark, is telling LF that she doesn't consider the second marriage valid either, even though it was consummated, and that she considers herself free to marry again whether or not Ramsey is killed.

[GrailKing]

9 minutes ago, Hecate7 said:

Besides, can Robin Arryn even read?

The letter is probably to LF, and yes, there's a reason to sign Sansa Stark, and Lyanna Mormont pointed it out. Sansa is technically Lady Bolton now, and Ramsey's death, provided Rickon doesn't survive, would make Sansa Wardeness of the North by marriage. The Lannister marriage isn't valid because it was never consummated. Sansa, by signing Stark, is telling LF that she doesn't consider the second marriage valid either, even though it was consummated, and that she considers herself free to marry again whether or not Ramsey is killed.

I'm sure he can read.

What was said to me from the other broken man thread seems to confirm yes LF, and to go with what your saying, Sansa could be using

 

a vague reference to marriage; in which case I hope she murders him on the wedding night.

Edited June 7, 2016 by GrailKing

[RCharter]

1 hour ago, Hecate7 said:

Wouldn't Brienne be more comfortable simply keeping silent, rather than pretending she beheaded Stannis? It's odd that they didn't show it, but there's simply no reason for her not to do it.

I think she hated Melissandre and wanted to stick it to her.

[Unknown poster]

1 hour ago, Hecate7 said:

but if she's not with child, she's gone after Tommen dies. Not even Queen Mum or Queen Regent--just plain old Lady Margaery again. I think she might lie about it and say she's with child even if she isn't, just to keep her hold on the throne a little longer, until she can suss out who comes next in the "lawful succession, the natural progression, etc..." and marry that guy. Since paternal uncles are deceased, and there are no living cousins, it's looking like Gendry's up next, as the last living bastard sibling of King Tommen. If he can't be found or is presumed dead, does that mean Cersei, Margaery, or Jaime are in line? What happens when there are no cousins? Selyse seems to have burnt all the Florents, so they're out, too.

I don't think the Florent ' s would factor in any succession. You'd be better off looking at the family of Robert/Stannis/Renly's Mother, no? Though they are unknown at this point.

[Hecate7]

24 minutes ago, Unknown poster said:

I don't think the Florent ' s would factor in any succession. You'd be better off looking at the family of Robert/Stannis/Renly's Mother, no? Though they are unknown at this point.

They're dead. That's why I'm not looking at them.

[Unknown poster]

12 minutes ago, Hecate7 said:

They're dead. That's why I'm not looking at them.

The whole family? I'm referring to the bloodline. Since the official line is Tommen is a Baratheon, son of Robert, nephew of Renly's and Stannis, any succession would likely be traced back through their family. 

[DarkRaichu]

1 hour ago, Hecate7 said:

but if she's not with child, she's gone after Tommen dies. Not even Queen Mum or Queen Regent--just plain old Lady Margaery again. I think she might lie about it and say she's with child even if she isn't, just to keep her hold on the throne a little longer, until she can suss out who comes next in the "lawful succession, the natural progression, etc..." and marry that guy. Since paternal uncles are deceased, and there are no living cousins, it's looking like Gendry's up next, as the last living bastard sibling of King Tommen. If he can't be found or is presumed dead, does that mean Cersei, Margaery, or Jaime are in line? What happens when there are no cousins? Selyse seems to have burnt all the Florents, so they're out, too.

Last time we saw Gendry he was coming back to KL.  What if he ended up in FM?  Maybe that was High Sparrow's end goal? To put rightful heir on the Iron Throne (one he could control, of course)

[ACW]

22 hours ago, EyesGlazed said:

I found the brothel scenes to be disgusting.  It's no longer enough for GOT to show tits, tits and more tits, but now they are progressing to showing us people licking and sucking tits?  It was really porny and gross.  It distracted me from the episode and not in a good way.

Being sucked is literally what tits are for. 

(As Robin Arryn showed us in Season 1, by the way.)

Granted, Yara didn't seem to be getting much nutrition out of these particular tits, but she, and their owner, looked like they were genuinely having fun, which redeems the scene somewhat.

Edited June 7, 2016 by ACW

[HunterHunted]

On 6/6/2016 at 11:14 AM, DarkRaichu said:

I got the impression HS wanted to be the puppetmaster who controls the kings/queens of westeros as supposed sit on Iron Throne himself.  To that end he would need a dinasty to influence, thus his insistence on an heir for Tommen.  

That's my impression too. I think the High Sparrow will happily overlook Tommen's problematic parentage in exchange for a monarch he can control. I think if the High Sparrow starts playing the game of thrones in relation to who is next in line, he'll find himself dealing with adults who are less manipulatable.

Additionally now that all of the legitimate Baratheons are dead, I think that leaves the Lannisters and the Martells with the most Targaryen ancestry. Aside from the fact that the Dornish Dumbos murdered their heir, the High Sparrow would never be ok with Dornish attitudes about sex. And the Lannisters, Jaime can't inherit because he's in the King's Guard, Tyrion is banished upon pain of death, so I guess that leaves uncle Kevan and ultimately Lancel. If the High Sparrow truly wanted to play the game of thrones, he would have left Lancel where he was so that as he undermines the legitimacy of Cersei's issue Lancel and the other Lannisters would be in line for the throne.

[dramachick]

Bella Ramsey was excellent.