S06.E20: Who Do You Believe?

[Umbelina]

Yolanda is the mother of his children, with whom he co-parents and has a good relationship.

 

He's not going to side with VDP against her.  We also have their twitters and instagrams.  They may heal it, but I doubt it will ever be the same.

[WireWrap]

Yolanda is the mother of his children, with whom he co-parents and has a good relationship.

 

He's not going to side with VDP against her.  We also have their twitters and instagrams.  They may heal it, but I doubt it will ever be the same.

What co-parenting? Anwar lives with him and Gigi/Bella are adults living on their own. And he has already sided with Lisa against Yolanda on camera before. As I said, Yolanda is the one that used 2 of their children as fodder on the show, not Lisa, by making public their supposed health problems. I also don't know that their, Yolanda/Mohamed, relationship is all that she makes it out to be, he sure sang Lisa's praises far more than he ever did Yolanda's.

[Wings]

 

My guess is we will know much more after the reunions. When Andy brought up the topic on WWHL, it wasn't posed as a question, he stated it as a known fact: "all of this has really harmed LVP and Mo's friendship". Since they had already filmed the reunion, I took that to mean that something was said that made him believe it.

 

I missed this, thanks motorcity.  Totally supports my post above.   We may see Andy ask LVP about it when she is a guest after the reunion shows.   Not if, but what is their friendship like now and does she think it can be mended. 

Edited April 16, 2016 by wings707

[Umbelina]

What co-parenting? Anwar lives with him and Gigi/Bella are adults living on their own. And he has already sided with Lisa against Yolanda on camera before. As I said, Yolanda is the one that used 2 of their children as fodder on the show, not Lisa, by making public their supposed health problems. I also don't know that their, Yolanda/Mohamed, relationship is all that she makes it out to be, he sure sang Lisa's praises far more than he ever did Yolanda's.

They get together for family events and occasions, parties, birthdays, holidays, kids events like runway shows or football games, and dinners.  The kids, even if the girls have moved out, have been blessed with never having the parents make them feel they had to choose, or not like the other parent.  I call that co-parenting.  Parents are always your parents, even if you are lucky enough to hit 60 and still have them alive.

Edited April 16, 2016 by Umbelina

[LIMOM]

Seventeen year olds aren't permitted to have sex in California.  It is the law.  https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-a-18-year-old-have-sex-with-a-17-year-old--1669234.html  Since Yolanda's home is in California it applies when Gigi and Cody were under her roof-which is what I stated to begin with.  Seventeen year olds can't give consent in California.  Someone as intelligent as Yolanda should know that.  It doesn't matter what the law is in New York or Alabama it is where the act occurs.
 
This summer Anwar goes to New York and turns 17 years old.  He can bang his brains out with anyone 17 years or older.  When he comes back to California, he can't legally give consent and carry on with someone over the age of 18.

For once, New York is more liberal than California?
Yeah for New York!

[mbutterfly]

My guess is MO is far angrier with Yo than LVP. Yo publicly spoke of private (likely untrue) medical information about their children, one of whom is a minor. Unless I missed it LVP didn't give any details about MO's response to her. Didn't she just answer Kyle's question with something like, "He said 'no'"? 

One thing I don't believe is that Yolanda told the precise truth about Mo and Lisa's current relationship because Yo never tells a precise truth. 

I'm with those who think things may currently be strained with MO and Lisa, but they'll ride it out and get back to general friendliness. He understands the nature of reality shows and hasn't minded profiting from them. 

[motorcitymom65]

I can believe that the friendship may have been "harmed".  But "harmed" doesn't mean it's over and that they are no longer friends.  To me, it just means that what happened had an impact and they hit a rough patch.  Which very well may be over, or well on the way to being over, or maybe they're still friends but not as close as they were.  "Harmed" to me doesn't mean dead and buried.  They've been close friends for a long time, and both of them always seemed to really treasure that.

 

I agree that it might not be over (although that is where the evidence points), but "harmed" is still huge when you look at what this really means. 

 

This is really a first, and I believe something that will in the long-term sully LVP's reputation a bit. Oddly enough I think that this will be the thing to fracture her image to some and I am sure that she gets this.

 

The accusations against LVP have been consistent almost from the very beginning. The have been leveled by many different people. In pretty much every single instance the person who makes the accusation is considered wrong and LVP is always right. Even when there is proof LVP is lying, she is always believed because the others are thought to be flawed, or to have had a prior issue with LVP that makes them untrustworthy. They must be jealous of LVP, or they want to take her down. It is literally the exact same thing since S2, regardless of who makes the claim against LVP. 

 

But now we have someone else feeling betrayed by LVP. Someone she has been close to for over 20 years. Someone she has claimed is her very best and closest friend. For once there is a person leveling the same basic charges against LVP and cannot be considered jealous like all of those women were. It cannot be claimed that he wanted to take her down. This is someone who has defended her over and over again, yet he thinks that what she did was serious enough to issue a public tweet, stop publicly communicating with her, and stay away from her for months. What she did is serious enough that he is allowing it to become public because of the way he has backed off. He is willing to let her hang out to dry in the view of the public. They could make up tomorrow, but it will always be the case that LVP betrayed her very best friend in the world. That's she not so busy with her restaurants that she just doesn't have enough time to care about and stir the silly drama on the show. I have never believed LVP's silly dramatic efforts to make people think she would leave the show (the single best example of how she manipulates the audience), but assuming she is not currently under contract, I could see her walking away now. She will never leave when she looks like the victim or has the public on her side thinking she is all that. The day that LVP will leave is when she has been exposed to an extent. It would not surprise me if this ends up being what makes LVP say "no thanks". 

 

I kind of hate it in a way, because what it really means is that Yo won. She couldn't make the public see the truth about LVP in S4. She tried to mark her as a fake, but it just didn't work. I have always believed that she resented LVP's relationship with Mo. It gives LVP more of a power position in their relationship. LVP knows things about Yo and her children that Yo cannot claim to know about LVP. I think she hates it. The public could never be swayed to believe LVP was a manipulative bitch, but it must be much more delicious to Yo to have Mo now believe that she is. 

Edited April 16, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[halkatla]

If I was Mo I would be so mad at Yo, I would be enraged if anyone talked about my kids like she does theirs, especially if it was a co-parent. I don´t get how anyone can be fine with fake medical information being used like that, and the way she uses the non-gigi´s for her journey is disgusting, imo.

 

This above has nothing to do with how I feel about the players on the show, I happen to love Lisa and dislike Yo very much, but out of that context I just don´t get how in the world Mo would be mad with Lisa over all this, compared to Yo. I know they used to be married and share the kids, but I can´t see how that is an excuse for literally EVERYTHING. Mo seems more mature than to look at it like that, he must have some sense of fairness and good judgement, it wouldn´t take that much.

 

Lisa was put on the spot and who cares if she said "fine", it isn´t a big deal and can be interpreted many ways. Why would anyone care about what Lisa said? People are more worried or intrigued with the way Yolanda is making the kids lie and do "treatments". Most don´t care at all.

 

Yolanda should have told Mo before hand to play along with the lyme game and the kids part in it, it´s obvious that he wasn´t warned or didn´t mind it or something. If he was told, he should have made it clear to Yo that the kids were off limits and not blame Lisa for being asked a question when it had become Yo´s only story line. If he confided in Lisa then she didn´t break confidence, imo. That´s it basically. LVP was pretty cool when Yo waved the papers in her face, like she was trying to angrily prove something to her, after the freezing treatment and Lisa seemed to be playing along with the "the kids have lymes" crap. What do these people want? I mean it´s pretty low to end a friendship over something so minor, that can very well be looked at as a misunderstanding. I hope they´re just keeping a low profile so that Yo won´t be mad or something. If he really was angry about it then I don´t get why he couldn´t forgive Lisa for saying it, it doesn´t make sense. There must be a A LOT more going on if Mo is really this mad about it.

[LIMOM]

^^

I doubt that momo thinks of lvp as a manipulative bitch because of that incident.

she broke his trust, it is different IMO.

At the end of the day, They are all opportunists including momo.

He got burned this time, oh well!

Yoyo will benefit by using this incident to consolidate her stupid tale of woes and misery.

"Hollywood friends, baby".

[Satchels of gold]

They get together for family events and occasions, parties, birthdays, holidays, kids events like runway shows or football games, and dinners.  The kids, even if the girls have moved out, have been blessed with never having the parents make them feel they had to choose, or not like the other parent.  I call that co-parenting.  Parents are always your parents, even if you are lucky enough to hit 60 and still have them alive.

As someone with step children in their mid twenties I co sign this. After the children turn 18 it becomes different but no less intertwined.

[halkatla]

Let me tell it like I see it: A friend of mine has a daughter who´s becoming an internationally known model, going to every award ceremony and festival it seems, then I´m asked if it´s true that she´s really chronically ill and sick with an often debilitating disease, the same one that her mother has which is very hard to get, what does my friend say about it? How am I supposed to answer? Lisa came out okay by answering the way she did, and to claim it´s a breach of trust is far fetched. She must have broken his trust in another way if that´s the reason for him ending the friendship, normal people would easily make a mistake when put on the spot like that. And to not forgive them for it is just horrible, no matter who would do that. If it happened to Brandi I would feel the same way.

[ezzy4]

The way I see it, MO is likely just playing nice with Yola. I mean how could any parent actually be all right with their former spouse waving their children's medical records around in a public venue in front of cameras? There is something very unhinged about Yola. It seems reasonable that he would back away from his relationship with Lisa in an attempt to calm his former wife. It's gotta be REALLY hard to co-parent with her. I imagine it would leave you constantly walking on eggshells.

[motorcitymom65]

Let me tell it like I see it: A friend of mine has a daughter who´s becoming an internationally known model, going to every award ceremony and festival it seems, then I´m asked if it´s true that she´s really chronically ill and sick with an often debilitating disease, the same one that her mother has which is very hard to get, what does my friend say about it? How am I supposed to answer? Lisa came out okay by answering the way she did, and to claim it´s a breach of trust is far fetched. She must have broken his trust in another way if that´s the reason for him ending the friendship, normal people would easily make a mistake when put on the spot like that. And to not forgive them for it is just horrible, no matter who would do that. If it happened to Brandi I would feel the same way.

I think that Mo can answer LVP anyway he wants. The question was entirely appropriate IMO. I think the issue - which is major to me - is that LVP revealed something that Mo said to her that called Yo a liar. And she did it on camera. It wasn't LVP saying that the kids were fine that was the problem. The problem was the LVP went on to say that Mo said "only Yo has it". Since Yo is telling everyone the kids are sick, saying that Mo says that they are not sick means that something is up. It means that Mo has contradicted Yo and that LVP has told the world that Yo's husband doesn't believe her.

[WireWrap]

It means that Mo has contradicted Yo and that LVP has told the world that Yo's husband doesn't believe her.

You mean her, Yolanda's, ex-husband. And he has not always supported her, Yolanda, and it was shown on camera, although it was not in regards to their children. I do think Lisa/Mohamed have hit a rough patch in their friendship but I am not willing to take the word of someone who has no problem lying and exaggerating the simplest of things on a regular basis when she claims they haven't spoken to each other in "8 months".

[ElDosEquis]

The way I see it, MO is likely just playing nice with Yola. I mean how could any parent actually be all right with their former spouse waving their children's medical records around in a public venue in front of cameras? There is something very unhinged about Yola. It seems reasonable that he would back away from his relationship with Lisa in an attempt to calm his former wife. It's gotta be REALLY hard to co-parent with her. I imagine it would leave you constantly walking on eggshells.

Some people, like yoyo, are just vengeful idiots who, unless you play along with their script - will terrorize you and make things really difficult. It must be scary to know your children we spending any time with a loon like that?

You mean her, Yolanda's, ex-husband. And he has not always supported her, Yolanda, and it was shown on camera, although it was not in regards to their children. I do think Lisa/Mohamed have hit a rough patch in their friendship but I am not willing to take the word of someone who has no problem lying and exaggerating the simplest of things on a regular basis when she claims they haven't spoken to each other in "8 months".

 

Is this eight months in regular time, or Yolanda time? Yo time is like Dog Years, you know, a dog ages 7 years for every human year it lives?

[WireWrap]

Some people, like yoyo, are just vengeful idiots who, unless you play along with their script - will terrorize you and make things really difficult. It must be scary to know your children we spending any time with a loon like that?

 

Is this eight months in regular time, or Yolanda time? Yo time is like Dog Years, you know, a dog ages 7 years for every human year it lives?

With Yolanda, 1 week equals 4, 7, 8, 18 months/2, 3, 4 years, depending on her mood!

[zoeysmom]

When did that Bravo UpFront event happen when Brandi told Adriana that JK slept with Mohammed while she/MH were married? Was that before or after Mohamed defended Lisa to Yolanda about Ken's BD party? The reason I ask is, it is possible that Yolanda told Brandi this lie about JK/MH to get back at him for taking Lisa's side, so he knows that if he is public with their friendship (his/S/L/K) he will be made to pay a price he is not willing to pay. I do believe that they, M/L, have hit a bump in their friendship but I just don't see him throwing it away because she repeated what he told her, she didn't out his children or use them for fodder on the show, Yolanda, their mother, did that.

The birthday party Yolanda could not attend would have been in July of 2013.  Brandi made the comment on air in November of 2013.  The Reunion was probably taped in October of 2013.

 

The way Brandi tells the story is Yolanda told her about Joanna at the Bravo upfronts. April 15, 2013.  So the upfronts occurred before the birthday party.  It also would have occurred before the LVP and Brandi falling out.

[izabella]

If I were Mo, I'd be livid that my ex-wife was casually spreading around on tv that the non-Gigi's have had so-called "chronic LD" for two years.  I'd be livid that she's bringing medical records to lunches and expecting them to be viewed and read on air.  I'd be livid that she, multiple times, has been saying on camera that she would have killed herself if it weren't for the kids.  I'd have been beyond livid that she made them hike up a lemon grove so she could, again on camera, emotionally manipulate them by presenting Gigi (oh, and the non-Gigi's) with her financial arrangements for them after her death.  And I'd be taking her to court for pumping MY kids full of crap pills and teaching them to chew half an almond really slowly for nourishment.

 

If Mo is mad at LVP, Mo is a fool. His anger should be directed at Yo, along with some legal action, like a cyst and decease letter.

Edited April 16, 2016 by izabella

[zoeysmom]

Yolanda is the mother of his children, with whom he co-parents and has a good relationship.

 

He's not going to side with VDP against her.  We also have their twitters and instagrams.  They may heal it, but I doubt it will ever be the same.

I believe the underlying issue probably has to do with Mohamed still being friends with them, especially Ken, after Ken called her stupid a couple of times. This latest dust up probably forced Mohamed and LVP to have a less public relationship.  I doubt they are sworn enemies.

 

It is probably more along the lines of Brandi and Kim-Kim's kids do not like Brandi and she keeps the relationship separate from them.

 

There is a stellar effort between Yolanda and Mohamed to be these perfect parents to the perfect children.  Anyone who questions. however innocent anything mama bear or papa bear put out there will force a withdrawal of public friendship.  Of course these rules don't apply to Brandi.  She can say anything about Yolanda's children and it is okay.

[Wings]

If I were Mo, I'd be livid that my ex-wife was casually spreading around on tv that the non-Gigi's have had so-called "chronic LD" for two years.  I'd be livid that she's bringing medical records to lunches and expecting them to be viewed and read on air.  I'd be livid that she, multiple times, has been saying on camera that she would have killed herself if it weren't for the kids.  I'd have been beyond livid that she made them hike up a lemon grove so she could, again on camera, emotionally manipulate them by presenting Gigi (oh, and the non-Gigi's) with her financial arrangements for them after her death.  And I'd be taking her to court for pumping MY kids full of crap pills and teaching them to chew half an almond really slowly for nourishment.

 

If Mo is mad at LVP, Mo is a fool. His anger should be directed at Yo, along with some legal action, like a cyst and decease letter.

 

 

I agree with every word!   I have to laugh at your typo.  I think you meant cease and desist!   Yolanda never did claim having a cyst, right?  Maybe next year.  

[izabella]

I agree with every word!   I have to laugh at your typo.  I think you meant cease and desist!   Yolanda never did claim having a cyst, right?  Maybe next year.  

 

Lol it actually wasn't a typo, but a reference to a Housewives malapropism...can't remember if it was Vicki or Tamra who was going on about a Cyst and Decease letter, rather than the correct term.

[zoeysmom]

I agree that it might not be over (although that is where the evidence points), but "harmed" is still huge when you look at what this really means. 

 

This is really a first, and I believe something that will in the long-term sully LVP's reputation a bit. Oddly enough I think that this will be the thing to fracture her image to some and I am sure that she gets this.

 

The accusations against LVP have been consistent almost from the very beginning. The have been leveled by many different people. In pretty much every single instance the person who makes the accusation is considered wrong and LVP is always right. Even when there is proof LVP is lying, she is always believed because the others are thought to be flawed, or to have had a prior issue with LVP that makes them untrustworthy. They must be jealous of LVP, or they want to take her down. It is literally the exact same thing since S2, regardless of who makes the claim against LVP. 

 

But now we have someone else feeling betrayed by LVP. Someone she has been close to for over 20 years. Someone she has claimed is her very best and closest friend. For once there is a person leveling the same basic charges against LVP and cannot be considered jealous like all of those women were. It cannot be claimed that he wanted to take her down. This is someone who has defended her over and over again, yet he thinks that what she did was serious enough to issue a public tweet, stop publicly communicating with her, and stay away from her for months. What she did is serious enough that he is allowing it to become public because of the way he has backed off. He is willing to let her hang out to dry in the view of the public. They could make up tomorrow, but it will always be the case that LVP betrayed her very best friend in the world. That's she not so busy with her restaurants that she just doesn't have enough time to care about and stir the silly drama on the show. I have never believed LVP's silly dramatic efforts to make people think she would leave the show (the single best example of how she manipulates the audience), but assuming she is not currently under contract, I could see her walking away now. She will never leave when she looks like the victim or has the public on her side thinking she is all that. The day that LVP will leave is when she has been exposed to an extent. It would not surprise me if this ends up being what makes LVP say "no thanks". 

 

I kind of hate it in a way, because what it really means is that Yo won. She couldn't make the public see the truth about LVP in S4. She tried to mark her as a fake, but it just didn't work. I have always believed that she resented LVP's relationship with Mo. It gives LVP more of a power position in their relationship. LVP knows things about Yo and her children that Yo cannot claim to know about LVP. I think she hates it. The public could never be swayed to believe LVP was a manipulative bitch, but it must be much more delicious to Yo to have Mo now believe that she is. 

I think it is an over characterization as Mohamed being LVP's closest friend in the world.  They were close friends but I think it was more of a couple's relationship.  My guess is Ken is or was much closer than LVP.

 

I would have thought LVP a bad friend had she not asked how the kids were doing after Yolanda claimed (publicly) they had Lyme Disease.

[walnutqueen]

Lol it actually wasn't a typo, but a reference to a Housewives malapropism...can't remember if it was Vicki or Tamra who was going on about a Cyst and Decease letter, rather than the correct term.

 

It was Tamra.

[zoeysmom]

After Yolanda said that someday she hoped she and David could be friends again, I was so hoping he would become besties with Ken and Lisa, Kyle and Mauricio.

[Vicky8675309]

I would think it a gross waste of taxpayer money.  My point is Yolanda claims to be fiercely protective of her children and their privacy but she discloses some of the ore intimate details of their lives.   

 

It is Yolanda's responsibility as the homeowner not to let minors engage in unlawful behavior.  It isn't about Gigi it is about the minor.

 

like when she left underaged lyme* addled Bella so she (Yo) could hang out on a yacht, meanwhile young Bella is getting drunk and who knows what else (see Yo's email). Then not long after drunk lyme DUI, Bella gets to go live alone in NYC (despite stimulants and other paraphernalia in Bella's car). Please correctly if I am wrong but that seems weird. I do think Yo loves her kids but I don't see her as fiercely protective (shoves them into the modeling/partying scene).

 

*there has to be a term for phone diagnosed chronic lyme disease!

[WireWrap]

 

*there has to be a term for phone diagnosed chronic lyme disease!

Dangerous, Stupid, Irresponsible and if meds/treatment are prescribed/given, Illegal! These are just a few terms I can think of.  

[Eater of Worlds]

Someone way back in the thread asked why on earth is Yolanda sitting in that portable sauna.  It's part of her belief in quackery.  People say you can sweat out toxins.  Pretty much you can't sweat out toxins.  Your kidneys, liver and intestines are what remove toxins.

[Vicky8675309]

Dangerous, Stupid, Irresponsible and if meds/treatment are prescribed/given, Illegal! These are just a few terms I can think of.  

 

lol, I was thinking along the lines of telelyme or pholyme (phonetically sounds like faux lyme).

[Happy Camper]

Until one of them chimes in on the subject of their friendship and the status of it we really don't know.

Exactly.

[WireWrap]

lol, I was thinking along the lines of telelyme or pholyme (phonetically sounds like faux lyme).

Diagyphone (diagnosis by phone) Diaglyphone (diagnose Lyme by phone)

Edited April 17, 2016 by WireWrap

[renatae]

She didn't necessarily betray the kids, but if she hurt or upset their mother, than she hurt and upset them.  If you betray my mother, I will also feel betrayed. Not everyone would be down with this, but some people would.

 

It reminds me of when people thought it silly for Adrienne to be upset about the surrogacy deal. Brandi didn't actually do anything to the kids. No one was harmed. It wasn't like she went after them. Her beef was with Adrienne, so why make it about how Brandi harmed her family? That's just a technicality IMO. 

 

 

However, the difference here is that Brandi blabbed everywhere intentionally and without remorse, where LisaV was somewhat put on the spot by Kyle's question,"What does Mohamed say?" blurted out an answer that she obviously regretted, and immediately changed the subject, saying she didn't think they should be talking about that. I don't think she set out at all to "put that out there." IMO, and best of my recollection, LOL.

Edited April 17, 2016 by renatae

[Vicky8675309]

Diagyphone (diagnosis by phone) Diaglyphone (diagnose Lyme by phone)

 

quackcall

lymebyphone

dial4lyme

dobuylyme (similar to Dubai = Do Buy)

I wonder if they will have a special promotion: buy a lyme diagnosis and get an award after your 3rd purchase

[ElDosEquis]

Someone way back in the thread asked why on earth is Yolanda sitting in that portable sauna.  It's part of her belief in quackery.  People say you can sweat out toxins.  Pretty much you can't sweat out toxins.  Your kidneys, liver and intestines are what remove toxins.

 And she puts them back with all the shit she injects, drinks and eats.

[WaltersHair]

Mo will keep LVP as a friend if for no other reason than a chance to be on television. In all the years I've been watching Bravo, he's been on several iterations of the wives, and other Bravo shows. He's even had a few other fiances along for the ride. He wants to be on television.

I truly believe that they are friends and if he actually allows that lymonhead to come between them, LVP is better off without him.

[princelina]

like when she left underaged lyme* addled Bella so she (Yo) could hang out on a yacht, meanwhile young Bella is getting drunk and who knows what else (see Yo's email). Then not long after drunk lyme DUI, Bella gets to go live alone in NYC (despite stimulants and other paraphernalia in Bella's car). Please correctly if I am wrong but that seems weird. I do think Yo loves her kids but I don't see her as fiercely protective (shoves them into the modeling/partying scene).

 

*there has to be a term for phone diagnosed chronic lyme disease!

She is fiercely protective of herself, LOL - they are just there to reflect her glory and/or her illness, depending on the day.

[Satchels of gold]

Someone way back in the thread asked why on earth is Yolanda sitting in that portable sauna.  It's part of her belief in quackery.  People say you can sweat out toxins.  Pretty much you can't sweat out toxins.  Your kidneys, liver and intestines are what remove toxins.

Thank you.

I want to say to Yo "that's not how it works, this not how any of this works"

[Lura]

I agree with both sides of this issue, and I think that posters have illustrated good examples to support their opinions.  I do have a thought that entered my mind while reading them that I'd like to toss out for your consideration, though.

 

Thanks to Yo, we now have the terms "Hollywood friends" and "real friends."  Judging from what I've observed for years about Hollywood, I think Yo's terminology is spot on.  This brings me to the point that all three principals -- Mo, Yo and LVP -- are seasoned veterans in how you play the game.  Whereas once they may have been "real friends," circumstances like divorce, friendship, etc, have changed them from moving from "real" to "Hollywood."  Mo and Yo have certainly changed;  they are more like "Hollywood friends" who co-parent, and LVP and Yo are closer to being enemies than they are to even being Hollywood friends.  LVP assumes that she's "real" when she's actually "Hollywood" to Mo. Thus, wouldn't you think that LVP would have more savvy  to have said, "I hope that you and your family are all doing well, and that Mo would have said with a smile, "Thank you, Lisa."  (Pleasantries exchanged but no info given.  No offenses given; no apologies necessary). Friendships maintained. 

 

I think the Hollywood set is trying to mimic the self-appointed, wealthy New York City set of the Vanderbilts and the Whitneys with their inherited, petty, haughty list of rules, and where there are rules, someone is bound to break them.  So delicious, so ridiculous, and so disgusting, yet taken so seriously that one would think they were issued with the Ten Commandments.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Lura

[DebbieM4]

What co-parenting? Anwar lives with him and Gigi/Bella are adults living on their own. And he has already sided with Lisa against Yolanda on camera before. As I said, Yolanda is the one that used 2 of their children as fodder on the show, not Lisa, by making public their supposed health problems. I also don't know that their, Yolanda/Mohamed, relationship is all that she makes it out to be, he sure sang Lisa's praises far more than he ever did Yolanda's.

 

Yes, and whatever happened between Mo & LisaV, I am quite sure that Mo had something to say to Yolanda too.  He can't be happy that she put all of that "My kids have LD " out there to begin with.  I can't imagine he would be thrilled with that, especially if it's not true, but even if it is.  I can totally see his mindset being that she can babble all she wants about her own health, but the kids should be off-limits.  They're his kids too, and there are a million reasons why it's not a great idea to advertise something like that.  

 

He can't possibly have a problem with LisaV inquiring about his children after hearing that they have been ill.  I'm sure he wasn't happy when she said what she did on camera, but I'm sure more of his anger was toward Yolanda, who opened the whole can of worms to begin with by using their kids to advance her own agenda.

[DebbieM4]

I agree with both sides of this issue, and I think that posters have illustrated good examples to support their opinions.  I do have a thought that entered my mind while reading them that I'd like to toss out for your consideration, though.

 

Thanks to Yo, we now have the terms "Hollywood friends" and "real friends."  Judging from what I've observed for years about Hollywood, I think Yo's terminology is spot on.  This brings me to the point that all three principals -- Mo, Yo and LVP -- are seasoned veterans in how you play the game.  Whereas once they may have been "real friends," circumstances like divorce, friendship, etc, have changed them from moving from 'real" to "Hollywood."  Mo and Yo have certainly changed; Lisa and Mo are more like strangers who co-parent, and LVP and Yo are closer to being enemies than they are to even being Hollywood friends.

 

Thus, wouldn't you think that LVP would have more savvy  to have said, "I hope that you and your family are all doing well, and that Mo would have said with a smile, "Thank you, Lisa."  (Pleasantries exchanged but no info given).  No offenses given; no apologies necessary). Friendships maintained. 

 

I think the Hollywood set is trying to mimic the New York City set of the Vanderbilts and the Whitneys with their petty, haughty list of rules, and where there are rules, someone is bound to break them.

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      orsavvythan 

 

No, because I don't think friends talk to each other that way.  That sounds awfully formal for two people who - according to both of them - have been close friends for a long time.  I would certainly hope that my friends would ask me directly about something like that rather than pose a vague, meaningless, throwaway question.  They're not strangers - far from it.  And she has known Gigi and the non-Gigis since they were small, so it's perfectly understandable that she would be interested and concerned, and confused as to why this terrible chronic illness was affecting two of his children and he had never mentioned it.  It certainly didn't seem to be any deep, dark secret - Not the way Yolanda was broadcasting it to the world.  I think Lisa was just surprised that it was suddenly public knowledge and yet she had never heard one word about it.  Because it doesn't make sense, and he was her friend, and so she asked.  I have absolutely no problem with that.  Far better to go to the source (especially when he's the father of the children AND a close friend) than to simply speculate.

 

I'm not sure what you mean by "Lisa and Mo are more like strangers who co-parent".  At that time, their friendship was very real & strong, not at all changed by circumstances, and they were nothing like strangers.  And LisaV and Yo were never real friends, so no big change there either.  

 

Or am I just completely misunderstanding what you're saying?!

Edited April 17, 2016 by DebbieM4

[renatae]

Exactly! Lisa R wants to make Kim's issues her issues because of what happened with her own sister. Sadly it sucks what happened to Lisa's sister but how is this Kim's fault or why should Lisa continue to keep Kim in the timeout corner. The woman isn't harming Lisa nor is she a full time wife (still hope she will never will be again). If Kim is harming anyone, it's herself and herself only. That's Lisa needs to let it go, move on and shut up already.

 

To me, it seems even worse than that. Last year, she seemed to have some genuine concern. This year, she acts irritated by Kim and as if her addiction is some kind of personal affront. I'm getting all sorts of weird vibes. I definitely understand that she is upset over the craziness that happened last year, not only about Harry Hamlin, but also that nightmare limo ride, but this year she seems to be carrying on in her own universe of disgust over minutiae and "bitch eating crackers" issues, especially the nonsense about the lunch with Yolanda. Too weird.

[Wings]

Let me tell it like I see it: A friend of mine has a daughter who´s becoming an internationally known model, going to every award ceremony and festival it seems, then I´m asked if it´s true that she´s really chronically ill and sick with an often debilitating disease, the same one that her mother has which is very hard to get, what does my friend say about it? How am I supposed to answer? Lisa came out okay by answering the way she did, and to claim it´s a breach of trust is far fetched. She must have broken his trust in another way if that´s the reason for him ending the friendship, normal people would easily make a mistake when put on the spot like that. And to not forgive them for it is just horrible, no matter who would do that. If it happened to Brandi I would feel the same way.

 

 

I think there is more to this, too.  It may have been the straw that broke the camels back for Mo.  Certainly "the incident" was very minor.  Compared to what Yolanda has done a mere speck on the landscape.  There is more behind this.  

 

We will probably  never know but it is always fun to sleuth a mystery!  And this certainly is.  

 

Lisa repeated to the women that Mo said his kids are fine, then added only Yolanda has Lyme.  He did not say or imply that.  A problem.   But to have that explode into not speaking for 8 months says there is more, clearly!

 

I love LisaVP, she is my favorite and I love watching her ask leading questions to the cast knowing she is lighting a fuse (Eileen).  She is a master at this and I find it entertaining.   She may do this kind of thing in real life, to some degree, and perhaps Mo has fallen victim to this behavior socially or in business and he has had it.  

[Umbelina]

To me, it seems even worse than that. Last year, she seemed to have some genuine concern. This year, she acts irritated by Kim and as if her addiction is some kind of personal affront. I'm getting all sorts of weird vibes. I definitely understand that she is upset over the craziness that happened last year, not only about Harry Hamlin, but also that nightmare limo ride, but this year she seems to be carrying on in her own universe of disgust over minutiae and "bitch eating crackers" issues, especially the nonsense about the lunch with Yolanda. Too weird.

I never thought Lipsa cared one tiny damn about Kim's problems, other than they were something she could exploit to keep her job on the show.  Then again, I saw right through her from the beginning, she always bugged me. 

 

It solidified for me during that trip to Medford, pretentious, fake, absent daughter making fun of a city.  As it happens, I visited my aunt in Medford about the time she was growing up there.  Yes, it was a sleepy little town back then, but the people were lovely, it was the kind of place that when someone new moved in, pies and casseroles, and neighbors coming over to welcome you or let you know the best places to shop or fish or find great fruit was simply the way people behaved, or someone volunteered to mow your lawn when they mowed theirs, or invited you to a BBQ next weekend.  It was a very much "Leave it to Beaver" place.  The only place open after 10PM back then were a couple of bars, and a bowling ally. 

 

One personal thing I remember thinking is that my aunt had to know her parents, and I wish I'd asked her before she died 2 years ago.  For one thing, the whole tiny community supported and knew it's artists, there was a yearly fair/pow wow, when all the artists had booths, and also did something called a 'quick draw' (or paint or sculpture, whatever medium the artist used) to benefit things like the library or schools.  You could walk around and talk with the artists during that, or at their booths.  I'm 80% sure I met her dad during a few of those "quick paints" (1 hour for one, 2 hours for the other.)  Everyone would bid, in a fun and joking open auction after those.  One of my family friends was also a wonderful painter, and even if I was in a shy mood, he knew I was a budding painter myself, and introduced me to all of them. 

 

When she returned for the show, Medford had grown quite a bit, many, many Californians bought property there because it used to be so cheap, and the area is simply lovely, mountains and rivers, not far from the ocean, so yeah, not quite so idyllic.  However, everyone was not "fat" and I didn't know anyone who regularly ate at McDonalds.  Ashland is a few minutes south, and the Shakespeare company had been going on since 1935, so it wasn't exactly culture-free, but yes, fishing, hunting, and the outdoors were more common activities.  No one cared (or cares to this day) what shoes you are wearing or what purse you have on your arm.  (I lived in a nearby town for several years a few decades later.)  She was right about the mall, that was a very big deal when they finally built one!  Ha.

 

I don't and didn't blame her for wanting to leave, but I do blame her for dissing it, rather than enjoying the town for what it is.  Frankly, I'd still rather live there than LA today, and I'm someone who actually likes LA.

 

/essay

 

I think Yolanda uses code to avoid breaking the 4th wall, something Bravo discourages.

"Hollywood Friends" for her, means "Show/Work" friends."

"Putting something Out in the Universe" means "saying it for millions of show watchers"

 

Although there certainly are "Hollywood Friends" in that show biz heavy area, if you are in the biz, or related to someone who is, there is the whole "kiss kiss darling" thing, or friendly when you see them out shopping or at a party way.

Edited April 17, 2016 by Umbelina

[CTO]

I never thought Lipsa cared one tiny damn about Kim's problems, other than they were something she could exploit to keep her job on the show.  

 

 

Agree. The limo ride she had with Kim last season was what tipped me off to Lisa Rinna. She was baiting Kim, and then winding her up more. 

 

There are a few things in life a person can't walk back from with me and top or near the top is taking advantage of vulnerable people. Kim may be an addict but she's also vulnerable, whether due to the addiction or otherwise matters not to me, she is vulnerable clearly. What Rinna did in that limo on camera, letting Kim think it was for acting fun, was disturbing to me. That's when I knew she was not balanced herself. 

 

Then when Rinna casually dropped on another episode that Harry Hamlin had been an alcoholic for "years" and "just quit 3 years ago" that really sealed it. No class, no dignity for herself or anyone who comes in contact with her either apparently. Rinna is the most dangerous person on this show from any season and it's no surprise to me that's she was Kyle's friend for years beforehand. Of course we meet her on this show via Kyle. Ugh. 

 

This season Kyle has redeemed herself a bit with me but I'll always feel like manipulation etc. is lurking with her, she's just learned how to hide it better.

[Snappy]

For anyone who wants to emulate Yolanda's Jiffy Pop look.

http://www.wayfair.com/1-Person-Rejuvenator-Portable-Sauna-SYPL1217-SYPL1217.html?ds=29073

Who knew it was available for us common folk too.

[notnowimbusy]

I think LR was upset because she thought she was going to be able to waltz into this season and go after Kim, even though she isn't on the show, over all the stuff that went down while they weren't filming (the drunk arrest and the target arrest - not to mention all the gossip about what happened at the wedding in Mexico).    I'm sure she had it all planned out to feign sympathy, all the while dancing the I told you so dance.    I'm sure Kyle made it clear that was not going to happen - and LVP, Yo, Eileen probably agreed.  So, there is LR left without any of her famous Need For Resolution - Own It drama.   What was left - they cheated her out of a season filled with her sad eyes, her judgement, her "I knew she wasn't sober", etc. so her only alternative to remain relevant was to go after YO.  When she realized this wasn't going the way she wanted, she blames her behavior on LVP.     I love how she's now trying to say "Oh it's over, let's all move on", but that campaign isn't winning either.  She's such a loon, and yet at the same time she's a people pleaser.  She must be going nuts.

[DebbieM4]

I think there is more to this, too.  It may have been the straw that broke the camels back for Mo.  Certainly "the incident" was very minor.  Compared to what Yolanda has done a mere speck on the landscape.  There is more behind this.  

 

We will probably  never know but it is always fun to sleuth a mystery!  And this certainly is.  

 

Lisa repeated to the women that Mo said his kids are fine, then added only Yolanda has Lyme.  He did not say or imply that.  A problem.   But to have that explode into not speaking for 8 months says there is more, clearly!

 

 

 

We don't know what he said or implied.  He very well may have said exactly that, and I think he did.  He has never said that Lisa was incorrect.  Even in his statement, he only said that he supports Yo and his children, not that Yo and the non-Gigis all have LD.  I think if that was the case, he would have said so, but instead he chose his words carefully.

 

Of course that's JMO, but the fact is that none of us know what he said and what he didn't say.

 

I also don't think there's necessarily more behind this, because we don't actually know what "this" is.  Maybe it's just a bump in the road.  Maybe they've already worked past it.  The whole "8 month" thing is way too tabloidy (tabloidish?)  for me.  And Yolanda's interpretation of everything is always highly exaggerated and hugely suspect.  Especially when it comes to specific timelines.  

 

I agree - Mysteries are fun!  I just don't think there's a whole lot here beyond what's obvious.  Famewhore that he is, I think Mo felt that LisaV crossed a line.  And I think she realizes that she did too.  That little bit that she said was a little bit too much, and I think she knew that the minute she said it.  That's why their friendship took a big hit.  But I don't think it's over.  

[breezy424]

For anyone who wants to emulate Yolanda's Jiffy Pop look.

http://www.wayfair.com/1-Person-Rejuvenator-Portable-Sauna-SYPL1217-SYPL1217.html?ds=29073

Who knew it was available for us common folk too.

Damn.  It's sold out! :)

[RHofOZ]

Mohamed is Lisa's daughter, Pandoras Godfather. They have known each other & been good friends for a very long time. This was said when Mohamed hosted Pandoras engagement party in Season 2.

[zoeysmom]

Mohamed is Lisa's daughter, Pandoras Godfather. They have known each other & been good friends for a very long time. This was said when Mohamed hosted Pandoras engagement party in Season 2.

Is he truly her Godfather or was he saying it as a term of affection?  I cannot find any reference to this outside an aside comment made at the engagement party.  It  would seem odd because at the time Pandora was born 30 years ago there is no indication they even lived on the same continent.  It has never been brought up since.

 

I don't always trust Mohamed.  It would seem at some point Yolanda or LVP would have brought this up again.

[Yours Truly]

Seventeen year olds aren't permitted to have sex in California.  It is the law.  https://www.avvo.com/legal-answers/can-a-18-year-old-have-sex-with-a-17-year-old--1669234.html  Since Yolanda's home is in California it applies when Gigi and Cody were under her roof-which is what I stated to begin with.  Seventeen year olds can't give consent in California.  Someone as intelligent as Yolanda should know that.  It doesn't matter what the law is in New York or Alabama it is where the act occurs.

 

This summer Anwar goes to New York and turns 17 years old.  He can bang his brains out with anyone 17 years or older.  When he comes back to California, he can't legally give consent and carry on with someone over the age of 18.

So it's more of a technicality than any real moral issue. I mean come on....