Season 34 Spoilers & Rumors

[LadyChatts]

2 hours ago, slowpoked said:

I know, right? Chelsea has been doing a great job modelling bikinis for the past couple of months. And she's a more exciting and impactful player at that, IMO. All Sierra did was talk and talk about how she's going to make a big move against the horrible people she's playing with and did absolutely nothing until she went out quietly in 5th place. They're seriously trying to make Wentworth 2.0 happen.

And Sierra went in as last-minute replacement for Nat A.?! Couldn't they find a more exciting player to replace her? Even Carolyn would have been a better choice (or maybe they already filled their quota with Debbie). Or did they all say no?? They couldn't get another winner? Why not Sophie if she was a finalist? I wonder why Denise Stapley hasn't been considered at all since her season. Maybe she isn't interested in doing it again.

Ozzy and Malcolm - why didn't they go for the hat trick and cast Joe Anglim while they're at it? So Probst could have all his man bun crushes in one season that he can play in repeat when it's all done.

Redmond did a spreadsheet to keep track of the people considered for s34:

And hee at Mike being the first cut. (Redmond confirmed that the order of the "cut" names he listed is the order of the cut players as he heard from his sources).

Sarah Lacina seemed to have made it purely just as a foil to Tony, it seems. Apparently she hasn't gotten over the fact that Tony screwed her over and producers salivated at the potential "conflict", so they included her.

I think anyone would have been more exciting than Sierra.  I remember her for being the deciding vote in the Joe/Joaquin vote (although I think it was discovered after the fact that was more clever editing).  And I think I already mentioned getting herself voted off in 5th when she said she was too nice.   She talked a big game, when they actually gave her a confessional.  She defended herself on twitter when people asked why she talked big moves but made none, and why she got zero screen time (which isn't really her fault).  I don't know, maybe she'll surprise, but I just see her repeating the same game she had before.  They are probably hoping Ciera will be their Wentworth 2.0, or Hali.  But Probst loves Ciera so that's probably who he's banking on to be the new Kelley.  I still say she'll be a pre-merge boot.

Ozzy/Malcolm/Joe was my Survivor dream team.  But, I'm glad Joe isn't on this season.  If anyone needs a break in between seasons, it's him.  There's no way he'd be as successful this close to his last season.  Even if there are other threats, he's going to be the freshest in everyone's mind.  Also, I wondered if maybe Caleb took the other alpha spot Joe might have otherwise occupied.  Anyway, I love Joe and miss seeing my manbun on TV every week.  But I'd be more crushed to see him be a first boot because his tribe didn't want him getting far in the game.

I'm surprised Mike was the first cut.  I know it's inevitable that he'll be returning at some point, so I'd rather just have him come back and get it over with.  Maybe being so obvious at making pre-game alliances is hurting him?

[slowpoked]

6 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

 Maybe being so obvious at making pre-game alliances is hurting him?

That's a very good point. I've read some stuff about how Survivor TPTB have soured on Cochran ever since because of his pre-game alliances in Caramoan. But it's all rumors.

I agree with thehepburn's sentiment about campaigning too much to get back on Survivor, I also don't have the warm fuzzies about it. But man, that's gotta be heartbreaking for Alexis Maxwell to be essentially the last cut before they decided on the final cast (barring the last minute change on Nat A.)

[thehepburn]

13 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

That's a very good point. I've read some stuff about how Survivor TPTB have soured on Cochran ever since because of his pre-game alliances in Caramoan. But it's all rumors.

I agree with thehepburn's sentiment about campaigning too much to get back on Survivor, I also don't have the warm fuzzies about it. But man, that's gotta be heartbreaking for Alexis Maxwell to be essentially the last cut before they decided on the final cast (barring the last minute change on Nat A.)

I've never heard that rumour. It's kinda hard to believe since Cochran hogs up more airtime than some survivors every. single. reunion. And Probst is chummy with Cockran as to drive him home. By the accounts of the S26 cast, Francesca did the most pregaming and she paid for it.

 

Yeah, I feel sorry for Alexis as well. She was dying to get back and she can twerk too. I doubt Sierra can, but she can show the showcase on the Price is Right and I guess that gave her the edge.

[LadyChatts]

45 minutes ago, slowpoked said:

That's a very good point. I've read some stuff about how Survivor TPTB have soured on Cochran ever since because of his pre-game alliances in Caramoan. But it's all rumors.

I agree with thehepburn's sentiment about campaigning too much to get back on Survivor, I also don't have the warm fuzzies about it. But man, that's gotta be heartbreaking for Alexis Maxwell to be essentially the last cut before they decided on the final cast (barring the last minute change on Nat A.)

Eh, I don't really have a problem with Survivors campaigning their hardest to get back on.  Especially for the old schoolers who aren't going to be as relevant in viewers minds.  And considering that, when John and Neleh played, every other season wasn't a returning player season that featured contestants who played 4+ times.  I'd love to have Neleh back, and am disappointed/surprised she hasn't made it back yet.  John I could do without.  Really, besides Neleh, there isn't anyone from Marquesas I care to see again.  Maybe Sean and Vee but that'd be it.

I don't remember anything about Alexis.  When I saw her name on the shortlist, I was surprised.  I kept getting her confused with the other beauty girl from her season (Morgan).  Maybe they'll do a pre-jury theme down the road (I wouldn't be against it), and that'll be her ticket on.

Edited June 1, 2016 by LadyChatts

[LanceM]

I am little surprised that Alexis was one of the last one cut let alone being in serious contention in the first place. I know she is a superfan of the show and wanted to play again but I didn't realize she was that popular with casting. I'd love to see Morgan back from that tribe though, she was just such a fun over the top trainwreck of a character.  I also have to laugh at Mike being the first one cut as so many people over at Sucks seem to think he was a lock for this cast. Not surprised Abi was in the mix again but I assume she took herself out as she seems to be trying to line up a hosting gig for the upcoming Olympics in Rio.

[thehepburn]

It turned out that there has been a misunderstanding. Redmond's list of cuts was the order that HE had heard it as he got the info, not the actual order of the cuts themselves. Alexis was probably not the second to last cut.

[thehepburn]

Alexis was a VERY GOOD twerker and I say that as a hetero chick. There are gifs all over. I doubt there are many gifs of Debbie juggling that are not distributed by Debbie herself.

[slowpoked]

3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

Eh, I don't really have a problem with Survivors campaigning their hardest to get back on.  Especially for the old schoolers who aren't going to be as relevant in viewers minds.  And considering that, when John and Neleh played, every other season wasn't a returning player season that featured contestants who played 4+ times.  I'd love to have Neleh back, and am disappointed/surprised she hasn't made it back yet.  John I could do without.  Really, besides Neleh, there isn't anyone from Marquesas I care to see again.  Maybe Sean and Vee but that'd be it.

I don't remember anything about Alexis.  When I saw her name on the shortlist, I was surprised.  I kept getting her confused with the other beauty girl from her season (Morgan).  Maybe they'll do a pre-jury theme down the road (I wouldn't be against it), and that'll be her ticket on.

For me, I just think if producers want you back, they'll find a way, so there's no need to blatantly ask to come back. But that's just me. I'm sure fans of all other players who haven't come back yet would like to see them soon.

 

12 minutes ago, thehepburn said:

It turned out that there has been a misunderstanding. Redmond's list of cuts was the order that HE had heard it as he got the info, not the actual order of the cuts themselves. Alexis was probably not the second to last cut.

Thanks for the clarification. But I'll live in my fantasy world that Mike Holloway was the first cut, thank you very much! :)

27 minutes ago, LanceM said:

 I'd love to see Morgan back from that tribe though, she was just such a fun over the top trainwreck of a character. 

Morgan over Sierra! Why didn't they think of that?! I agree with you she just seems to be a fun character - will never be a winner, but fun to watch. Morgan seems memorable enough (heh!), plus, who could forget her line "If people can choose between cute and ugly, they would choose to be cute." Wise beyond her years.

[LanceM]

Morgan was quite the original and her jury statement to Tony is an all time classic "As a young attractive woman I know how to keep a man in my pocket.  You were able to keep men in your pocket too and you don't even have breasts". 

[Big Mother]

Wait If there's a Sierra and a Ciera, how will Jeff differentiate between them? In 31 he called the 2 Kellys Wentworth and Wigglesworth. Are these 2 gonna be Thomas and Easton?

[LadyChatts]

3 minutes ago, Big Mother said:

Wait If there's a Sierra and a Ciera, how will Jeff differentiate between them? In 31 he called the 2 Kellys Wentworth and Wigglesworth. Are these 2 gonna be Thomas and Easton?

Sierra Thomas probably won't get the distinction of being called by her last name.  She'll stay Sierra, but Jeff is probably dying to give the other Ciera the honor of going by her last name.  Hey, maybe that explains the real reason why they cast the boring, invisible WA Sierra.

[PhoneCop]

Oy. Not saying that's exactly my nightmare cast, but it's pretty damn close. Seriously, they couldn't find one male player I could root for? I guess the silver lining is that this burns off a lot of Probst's mancrushes all at once.

[ProfCrash]

The problem is that it does not burn off Probst's mancrushes, he just brings them back.

 

Hell, I'd rather have Vytas over Brad or Troyzan

[fishcakes]

4 minutes ago, ProfCrash said:

Hell, I'd rather have Vytas over Brad or Troyzan

This feels like one of Sars's "Death Is Not An Option" polls from TWoP.

[ProfCrash]

hehehehehe

[slowpoked]

Redmond posted the timeline and process of S34 casting:

http://insidesurvivor.com/the-rumor-mill-whats-the-story-with-survivor-season-34-13162

A little off-topic tidbit - TPTB is apparently extremely happy with how S33 turned out. Hopefully, we don't get a letdown, ala-WA.

Edited June 2, 2016 by slowpoked

[thehepburn]

You could tell at the reunion that Probst was unusually positive about S33. For one thing, he referred to it positively twice which is something he never does.

[slowpoked]

16 hours ago, thehepburn said:

 I doubt there are many gifs of Debbie juggling that are not distributed by Debbie herself.

You win the internet for the day.

[LadyChatts]

5 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Redmond posted the timeline and process of S34 casting:

http://insidesurvivor.com/the-rumor-mill-whats-the-story-with-survivor-season-34-13162

A little off-topic tidbit - TPTB is apparently extremely happy with how S33 turned out. Hopefully, we don't get a letdown, ala-WA.

Yeah, I'm always skeptical when TPTB hype a season up.  Though Redmond did say they weren't happy with last season, and I also thought last season was crappy.  So maybe I'll end up buying into their hype.  

With all the vocal opinions about Sierra being such a WTF choice, watch her end up surprising us and winning the whole thing.

[cherrypj]

I've got to say that I love returnee seasons (provided there's more than two: looking at you, Guatemala). I don't care who they are. Really excited about this one, more so than S33. 

Relatedly, I'm watching S16: Fans vs Favorites, Micronesia. I got chills, man, chills when Penner and Yau-man stepped out. Even Ami made me giggle. 

[LadyChatts]

I don't mind returnee seasons.  I just liked them better when they were few and far between.  8 seasons between the first AS season and the first FvsF.  That was good pacing.  I can understand doing HvsV as it was the show's 20th season/10th year.  But following that up with 5 seasons of returning players (with only a few newbie seasons in between) was overkill.  I liked the concept of bringing back medevac players, but why not wait until a full returnee season to make a full tribe of them?  Of course, I guess had they waited, Mike Skupin's shot at returning would have completely sailed.  One of the great things about Second Chances was players that had only played once, and not won.  However, I could have even took winners on that season, if they had only played once.  And at least in a fan voted season, if we don't like it, we kind of have ourselves to blame, since we picked the cast.  

I like several players for the upcoming S34, but I'm just disappointed at seeing some players again for the 4th time, and seeing players that just played.  Why the heck do we need 4 players from KR?  Caleb I can understand.  And I guess Tai or Aubry.  But is Tai simply to re-create the bromance with Caleb?  It seemed like by the end of the season, people had jumped ship off the Tai love train.  And was Debbie cast because they ran out of time to show the rest of her occupations, or because she had a grudge against Aubry?  I didn't think she was that kooky of a character.  And then there are those that seem like producer faves that may never have a chance getting voted back in if they only did fan voted seasons, or people (like Ciera) that they are just trying to make happen.  

I was just hoping, after SC, they'd broaden their horizons and cast from across the board, and not just the most recent seasons.  But, I get it.  They have a TV show to do, they want people to watch.  So it makes sense to bring back well known fan favorites, no matter how many times they've played.  Hopefully I'm wrong about this season, but I'm not getting a good feeling about it.  Since I expect it to be more spoiled than the newbie seasons, maybe that'll ease my mind if we can figure out who might have been out early and who lasted long.  

Though watch Brad Culpepper come back 40 lbs lighter, with a super dark tan, and him post a not-so-cryptic clue about that being the longest he's ever had to eat rice.

Edited June 3, 2016 by LadyChatts

[cherrypj]

9 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I don't mind returnee seasons.  I just liked them better when they were few and far between.

Maybe I'll agree! I haven't seen anyone play for the third time yet. (I've watched S1-S15, plus S28 up.)

[PhoneCop]

21 hours ago, ProfCrash said:

The problem is that it does not burn off Probst's mancrushes, he just brings them back.

True, but not for at least a couple of seasons. Taking my victories where I can get them.

Since it's not a fan-voted line-up—and I can see why they didn't bother, given the unexciting list of prospects—I wish they'd brought back Gervase's niece Marissa. I figure she'll always be a longshot since she went early, but I'll love her forever just for "Fuck you, Brad Culpepper." Though maybe that was enough to put her on Jeff's permanent shitlist.

[slowpoked]

16 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

I don't mind returnee seasons.  I just liked them better when they were few and far between.  8 seasons between the first AS season and the first FvsF.  That was good pacing.  I can understand doing HvsV as it was the show's 20th season/10th year.  But following that up with 5 seasons of returning players (with only a few newbie seasons in between) was overkill.  I liked the concept of bringing back medevac players, but why not wait until a full returnee season to make a full tribe of them?  Of course, I guess had they waited, Mike Skupin's shot at returning would have completely sailed.  One of the great things about Second Chances was players that had only played once, and not won.  However, I could have even took winners on that season, if they had only played once.  And at least in a fan voted season, if we don't like it, we kind of have ourselves to blame, since we picked the cast.  

I like several players for the upcoming S34, but I'm just disappointed at seeing some players again for the 4th time, and seeing players that just played.  Why the heck do we need 4 players from KR?  Caleb I can understand.  And I guess Tai or Aubry.  But is Tai simply to re-create the bromance with Caleb?  It seemed like by the end of the season, people had jumped ship off the Tai love train.  And was Debbie cast because they ran out of time to show the rest of her occupations, or because she had a grudge against Aubry?  I didn't think she was that kooky of a character.  And then there are those that seem like producer faves that may never have a chance getting voted back in if they only did fan voted seasons, or people (like Ciera) that they are just trying to make happen.  

I was just hoping, after SC, they'd broaden their horizons and cast from across the board, and not just the most recent seasons.  But, I get it.  They have a TV show to do, they want people to watch.  So it makes sense to bring back well known fan favorites, no matter how many times they've played.  Hopefully I'm wrong about this season, but I'm not getting a good feeling about it.  Since I expect it to be more spoiled than the newbie seasons, maybe that'll ease my mind if we can figure out who might have been out early and who lasted long.  

Though watch Brad Culpepper come back 40 lbs lighter, with a super dark tan, and him post a not-so-cryptic clue about that being the longest he's ever had to eat rice.

I agree with your whole sentiment LadyChatts. I think the thing I liked the most about Second Chances was that, even though it's obvious that popular players such as Spencer, Joe and Abi Maria, etc. are going to be shoo-ins, fans themselves broadened their horizons and voted in Varner, Kimmi, Savage, Fishbach, Terry Deitz, and Peih-Gee, for crying out loud! Even Probst himself couldn't remember Peih-Gee anymore, but if not for the fan votes, she wouldn't have had a shot at coming back. Kimmi didn't even campaign that hard and she was able to get in. It shows the fans' appreciation for all seasons of the show, not just the most recent ones.

Caleb is really the only one that I would bring back from KR. Aubry? Eh, sure, maybe, she's still fresh from being robbed. Personally though, I wasn't too heartbroken about her loss. But there's really no reason to bring back Tai and Debbie other than to give those two partners, or foils. And are they even going to important players in that season to give them foils?! I understand Boston Rob vs. Russell Hantz, but they're nowhere even close to that level at all.

And I like Ciera as a player, but like you, I don't understand why they're trying to make her happen so desperately. She's not a social strategist on the level of Parvati, or even Kim Spradlin, and she's also not an immunity threat like Wiggles or Kim. I like her as a player, but I don't especially see her as that strong of a player to merit this many chances of coming back and trying to win.

[simplyme]

I didn't see Second Chances, as I was still taking a Survivor break in disgust after they announced Brandon Hantz was cast a second time, but Peih-Gee was one of my favorite Survivors.  I might have a different reaction if I rewatched her original season now, but I loved her then.  Probst wouldn't remember her because he was too busy giving James the Arrogant tongue baths.

I remember disliking a lot of people that season.

[ProfCrash]

Brandon's second play was ages ago. Second chances was this past fall. Long sabbatical.

[LadyChatts]

3 hours ago, slowpoked said:

I agree with your whole sentiment LadyChatts. I think the thing I liked the most about Second Chances was that, even though it's obvious that popular players such as Spencer, Joe and Abi Maria, etc. are going to be shoo-ins, fans themselves broadened their horizons and voted in Varner, Kimmi, Savage, Fishbach, Terry Deitz, and Peih-Gee, for crying out loud! Even Probst himself couldn't remember Peih-Gee anymore, but if not for the fan votes, she wouldn't have had a shot at coming back. Kimmi didn't even campaign that hard and she was able to get in. It shows the fans' appreciation for all seasons of the show, not just the most recent ones.

Caleb is really the only one that I would bring back from KR. Aubry? Eh, sure, maybe, she's still fresh from being robbed. Personally though, I wasn't too heartbroken about her loss. But there's really no reason to bring back Tai and Debbie other than to give those two partners, or foils. And are they even going to important players in that season to give them foils?! I understand Boston Rob vs. Russell Hantz, but they're nowhere even close to that level at all.

And I like Ciera as a player, but like you, I don't understand why they're trying to make her happen so desperately. She's not a social strategist on the level of Parvati, or even Kim Spradlin, and she's also not an immunity threat like Wiggles or Kim. I like her as a player, but I don't especially see her as that strong of a player to merit this many chances of coming back and trying to win.

I think playing too close to their season is going to hurt Aubry and Tai.  Debbie, no offense to her, but I see her being some pawn in a super alliance that ends up being axed when they don't need her anymore.  Caleb only showed he's a physical threat, but again, he was medevaced so I can understand his inclusion. 

I would have thought that the fact that the likes of Varner, Kimmi, Savage, etc., got voted in would have opened up their eyes that there is still an appreciation and want for old school players.  I was happily surprised that those pre HvsV made it in.  Well, never liked Terry, but besides him.  I actually figured T-Bird and Shane had better chances than Kimmi, Peih-Gee, Varner, Savage, or Fishbach.  And both Probst's and the CBS Survivor twitter were bombarded with tweets from people asking about where other old school players were.

I liked Ciera more during SC than I did during BvsW.  Yeah, it was great someone actually wrote their loved ones name down.  Would have been even more impressive if they orchestrated a fascinating blindside of said loved one, rather than just go along with the crowd who was voting them out, anyway.  Probst seems hung up on that moment regarding Ciera.  If it wasn't for that, would he adore her so much?  I liked that she tried ruffling feathers during SC.  I know some people found it childish because she was in the minority, and therefore things weren't going her way.  But hey, at least she tried, rather than be someone like the other Sierra and just wait until you can't do anything.  However, I agree that Ciera isn't some Parvati/Cirie level mastermind.  Maybe she'll finally surprise this season.  I just keep getting the feeling that this season is going fulfill Probst's fantasy-Brad, Troyzan, Malcolm, Ozzy, and JT banding together, taking out threats like Cirie and Sandra early on, and getting useless followers like Debbie and Sierra T into their group to give them numbers.  Then we get him blasting fans for not absolutely adoring his final 5 of his ultimate man crushes, and says we're the problem, not him and the crappy choices made this season.

[ProfCrash]

But are they playing too close to their season? Unlike Russell and Malcolm, people will have seen them play. Also, their season aired almost a year after they shot it because of Second Chances. This means that they had more time to heal physically and think about the game that they played. I suspect it also means that they had more time to talk to their cast mates and get a feeling for how they were perceived. They have seen the extra videos, the Jury videos, and the Ponderosa videos so they have an idea about what to think about changing. Shirin and comp went back into the game just as the season was ending and had no time to really absorb everything that happened. Aubrey and comp won't have that same problem.

That said, I don't know why Debbie was invited back.Her game was not that great and I did not get the feeling that she was a fan favorite. I suppose they felt like they needed a Coach/Philip delusional type player and that is Debbie.

[jsm1125]

I have to laugh at the fact that the two Worlds Apart players this season were ones who got no airtime during the reunion. Granted, the Second Chance results ate up a decent-sized portion of that show, but still...

[LadyChatts]

Filming is underway.  Hoping we get another Vytas this season that spoils they were out early!

[Special K]

58 minutes ago, LadyChatts said:

Filming is underway.  Hoping we get another Vytas this season that spoils they were out early!

I thought you were going to say, "hope we get another Vytas this season who creeps on all the ladies wearing inappropriately scanty undies."  :)

[LadyChatts]

32 minutes ago, Special K said:

I thought you were going to say, "hope we get another Vytas this season who creeps on all the ladies wearing inappropriately scanty undies."  :)

There's an image I wish I could forget.  Not that I expect Vytas to ever have a return invite, but god forbid Dan Foley and his manities ever return.  Hopefully they make a dress code to spare the viewers at home.

And I'm not hoping for this, but if I had to pick, Brad and Troyzan would get my vote for being the lady creeper with the ugly undies this season.

Brad also gets my pick for being extremely bitter if he gets another early exit.  Of course Probst probably reassured his man crush that he'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.

Edited June 7, 2016 by LadyChatts

[slowpoked]

On 6/3/2016 at 1:38 PM, LadyChatts said:

I liked Ciera more during SC than I did during BvsW.  Yeah, it was great someone actually wrote their loved ones name down.  Would have been even more impressive if they orchestrated a fascinating blindside of said loved one, rather than just go along with the crowd who was voting them out, anyway.  Probst seems hung up on that moment regarding Ciera.  If it wasn't for that, would he adore her so much?  I liked that she tried ruffling feathers during SC.  I know some people found it childish because she was in the minority, and therefore things weren't going her way.  But hey, at least she tried, rather than be someone like the other Sierra and just wait until you can't do anything.  

Yeah, I didn't mind the whining to be honest. I didn't see it as whining, I just saw it as trying to survive one more TC. And isn't that the game of Survivor anyway - try to survive each TC until you get to the end and make your case? Sure, she got lucky with Wentworth's idol, and would have probably lasted a couple more TCs had she not been idoled out. But yes, I give more credit to active players than passive players who just let the game happen until they're eventually voted out.

On that same note, I didn't mind Troyzan's whining either in OW. At least he actually tried to play the game to swing it in his favor, rather than Christina's "Yeah, it's me who's going home tonight, oh well what can you do?" pathetic explanation at final four TC.

3 hours ago, LadyChatts said:

There's an image I wish I could forget.  Not that I expect Vytas to ever have a return invite, but god forbid Dan Foley and his manities ever return.  Hopefully they make a dress code to spare the viewers at home.

And I'm not hoping for this, but if I had to pick, Brad and Troyzan would get my vote for being the lady creeper with the ugly undies this season.

Brad also gets my pick for being extremely bitter if he gets another early exit.  Of course Probst probably reassured his man crush that he'll do anything to make sure that doesn't happen.

Vytas is not going to be anytime near Survivor soon with the stunt he pulled off at SC Ponderosa so we're spared the creeping and weird undies. But yes, Troyzan is back and he's such a creeper too. I can imagine him creeping after Andrea, Sierra, Hali, etc. I hope he doesn't creep after Debbie though - that would just be too disturbing...

[NutMeg]

7 hours ago, slowpoked said:

Yeah, I didn't mind the whining to be honest. I didn't see it as whining, I just saw it as trying to survive one more TC. And isn't that the game of Survivor anyway - try to survive each TC until you get to the end and make your case? Sure, she got lucky with Wentworth's idol, and would have probably lasted a couple more TCs had she not been idoled out. But yes, I give more credit to active players than passive players who just let the game happen until they're eventually voted out.

On that same note, I didn't mind Troyzan's whining either in OW. At least he actually tried to play the game to swing it in his favor, rather than Christina's "Yeah, it's me who's going home tonight, oh well what can you do?" pathetic explanation at final four TC.

Vytas is not going to be anytime near Survivor soon with the stunt he pulled off at SC Ponderosa so we're spared the creeping and weird undies. But yes, Troyzan is back and he's such a creeper too. I can imagine him creeping after Andrea, Sierra, Hali, etc. I hope he doesn't creep after Debbie though - that would just be too disturbing...

Edited June 8, 2016 by NutMeg
Submitted reply before actuelly replying... but now I cannot add text, so will reply below

[NutMeg]

Ok with regard to Vytas not coming back anytime soon (although Johnny Fairplay was not supposed to come back, ever, but he did - briefly).

 

But what did I miss about Troyzan being a creeper? I didn't watch that Ponderosa, so please tell. 

[Special K]

11 hours ago, slowpoked said:

 But yes, Troyzan is back and he's such a creeper too. I can imagine him creeping after Andrea, Sierra, Hali, etc. I hope he doesn't creep after Debbie though - that would just be too disturbing...

Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but I remember Troyzan as a player who was unwittingly slayed by Kim and her posse.  That was satisfying to see, yet he seemed to be there to actually play and it seemed like an honest betrayal (whatever that is!).  So I don't mind him being back because he showed some game.  And as I said upthread somewhere, it would make my day if Troyzan and Debbie teamed up.  Just because I think she would cause his brain to explode.

[NutMeg]

8 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I don't recall Troyzan being creepy, either. 

The 'creeper' allegations always make me (very) mildly uncomfortable.  I think the only physical threat to anyone out there is from bacteria.  I'm no fan of Vytas, and less so of Brandon, but I feel a little bad for their 'creep' edits.  The show screens for harmless players then depicts some of these harmless people in a creepy light.  Seems somewhat underhanded.  

I get what you're saying, and I partly agree. I.e. in the case of Vytas, I can picture how putting together a few quotes and behaviours out of context can paint him as "weird" or even creepy.  I have more reservations in the case of Brandon, but that may be because I cannot imagine any situation where some of the things he said and did would not have been cause for worry. And this goes back to his first season, so I'm more unhappy with TPTB that deemed it a good idea to cast him for seconds.  

[simplyme]

Actually, the one thing that really infuriated me was the time naked Hatch rubbed himself against Sue to psych her out during a competition.  She left the game because of it, and Jeff acted like she was overreacting.  Unconsenting frottage is illegal last I knew, and I have no idea why that would be okay on Survivor when physical violence is not.  (And when she was back at the reunion, it was all, "Hey!  Sue got a makeover! She looks girly now! Isn't that great?"  The whole thing nauseated me.)

I wouldn't call Hatch a creeper, but I would call him a lot of other explicit, uncomplimentary names.  I didn't think Troyzan was one either, but I do recall him ranting about his ex-wife when he realized he was on the wrong side of the numbers versus what was a women's alliance.  He might have legit gripes against his ex-wife, but it didn't endear him to me when he seemed to expand it to "all women are evil backstabbers."  (I haven't rewatched, but that was the impression I was left with.)

[NutMeg]

7 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

Y'know, if he wasn't related to the ultimate ham-villain Russell, I would buy Brandon's act.  He was convincing.  And I did buy it at the time.  But in retrospect I think it was just a masterful performance from someone whose plan was to either win or go out in a blaze of infamy.  He couldn't convincingly medical-out a second time and I don't think he had the good sportsmanship to play out his game in either season.  So in that respect I think casting did screw up with him.

But I feel like at any time if he was deemed by the people out there viewing the whole situation to be an actual threat, I think he would've been immediately and unceremoniously removed the game, like the Hantz in the BB house was.  Brandon's little drama just went on a bit too long to be as real as we were led to believe, I think.  But I definitely see both sides on that one.  Vytas less so.  

Did I miss something? As far as I remember, Brandon wasn't "medicated-out" (nice one, by the way) his first time. Are you maybe thinking that guy from Kim's season whose name escapes me now? That one was "apparently" medicated out, then on his second time, when he quit, Jeff Probst revealed that his first medevac had actually been a quit. But that guy was not related to Russell... 

Oh, I remember now, his name is Colton or Coulton, not sure.

[thehepburn]

I dont think creeper is the right word. He's douchey and a bit misogynistic. He's surrounded all day by some of the most beautiful women in the world in little scraps of spandex. It's gonna take more than a nice pair of ta-tas to affect him.

[ProfCrash]

Vyta's bothered me his first season because of how he played the victim due to his jail time. He was a manipulative dude who seemed to not take any responsibility for his behavior. The yoga mess from his second season was weird. It seemed pretty clear that the women were not thrilled with what he was doing but they could have actually said something to him and I think he would have stopped.

Troyzan rubbed me the wrong way because he was that man who was shocked that he was out maneuvered by a woman. I don't rewatch seasons so I cannot verify that but I remember thinking he was one of those guys who thought he was superior to everyone. He struck me as a douchebag but I don't remember him being offensive.

Brandon was a douchebag who was offensive. His comments about the women in his tribe and how Makalya (sp) needed to be voted out because she was too hot were flat out disturbing.

Brad, well I think everyone agrees that Brad is a douche.

[LadyChatts]

9 hours ago, NutMeg said:

Ok with regard to Vytas not coming back anytime soon (although Johnny Fairplay was not supposed to come back, ever, but he did - briefly).

 

But what did I miss about Troyzan being a creeper? I didn't watch that Ponderosa, so please tell. 

I consider Fairplay and Vytas to be different situations.  Probst is the one that didn't want Fairplay back, and I believe it was for personal reasons.  Vytas left the game and went home, but also spoiled that he was out of the game by posting on SM and holding a yoga class while filming was still going on.  Was there more to it?  I feel like there was, but I can't remember.  He did make a stink prior to the reunion show that they were banning him.  

I don't know if they'd fault him for leaving after being voted out, because others have done that as well (including Brad).

[ProfCrash]

Vytas's attitude sucked after he was voted out. He flew home early, broke the social media ban, and bitched about the show pretty badly. He was the definition of sore loser. I actually wonder if his poor behavior when he came home is part of the reason he got such a shit edit because they were unnecessarily harsh on the dude.

[thehepburn]

I dont think Vytas was blacklisted bc he did an oops on SM. Mistakes happen.

I think SEG was more pissed that Vytas told them a sob story about how his newborn needed him back home so he left early and they later found out that when he got back, Vytas took vacation. Without his son who so badly needed him.

[ProfCrash]

I think Vytas reached Dan Foley level of bitching about his edit and his treatment.

I am thrilled that I probably won't see him on my TV again because I did not like his manipulative, woo is me ass in his first season and I was not all that thrilled with him in his second season.

[LadyChatts]

Didn't Vytas have a young son he left home, though?  In a way, it really does suck for the first boot.  3 days and then you're done.  Waiting in Ponderosa, until the pre-jury trip takes place.  I'm re-watching Thailand right now, and I think about Tanya.  She was the second boot, and days before she was to go home, her father got killed in a car accident.  To just be in the game for 6 days and then lose a loved one, I don't know, it's like it wasn't even worth going in the first place (and of course, she had no idea that was going to happen, just like all of the Survivors).

Since Vytas isn't someone I cared to see return a second time, let alone a third, I hope this did mean a ban on him ever coming back.

Edited June 8, 2016 by LadyChatts

[thehepburn]

16 minutes ago, Winston9-DT3 said:

I heard Redmond was the one who said Vytas left his son home and later Vytas denied that happened and so Redmond pulled that comment.  Though I don't read those sites or any of their social media so I would not be the one to know.  

That's what happened and Redmond pulled the comment while inferring that he heard more from one source otherwise and he believes his sources than Vytas.

[omophagia]

4 hours ago, thehepburn said:

I dont think creeper is the right word. He's douchey and a bit misogynistic. He's surrounded all day by some of the most beautiful women in the world in little scraps of spandex. It's gonna take more than a nice pair of ta-tas to affect him.

I agree with this. Lil' Hantz wasn't someone I would describe as a "creeper," so much as I would describe him as a psychologically fragile man-child who had no business being cast the first time, let alone being brought back again. In as much as I never want to see him back on Survivor, I sincerely hope he has gotten some help and has built a decent support system for himself.

As for a "creeper," one of the best examples would be Vince from Worlds Apart, with his paternalistic and entitled attitude toward Jenn. The feather in the hair and the "as a coconut vendor, I seek truth" nonsense made him look like another Ben Wade type character, but his behavior legit creeped me out. I don't like much of this cast, but I suppose it's fortunate that he (and the majority of the toxic Worlds Apart cast) hasn't been considered to return.

[azshadowwalker]

Funny that they'd be so upset about Vytas leaving because he "spoiled" one boot, but invite Russell back after he spoiled an entire season out of bitterness. If you are Jiffy's boy, the rules don't apply to you. 

As for Brandon, his behavior on the island was bad enough. When you add in his prior domestic violence busts, I think he's garbage and having him on once was unforgivable, let alone twice. 

[thehepburn]

That's why I dont think their issue with Vytas is spoilers. Russell and Sandra have both spoiled way more and Sandra will be on S34