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Cattitude

Cattitude

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ABC SID has a little interview with Constance Towers about Helena's return.  Sounds like Hells has got some good story coming up, yay!

 

http://abc.soapsindepth.com/2014/09/the-secrets-of-helenas-return.html

 

 

Well this sounds exciting. Thanks for that.

 

And I got an extra chuckle out of that Indepth cover. Even in a picture Patrick manages to look like a bored douche.haha

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From the Relationships thread, ulkis and I were discussing some of the writing for characters like Dante and Lulu:

 

 

 

Oh, no, I mean I do think they are writing him slightly better than they used, but of course how they are writing him now is no comparison to the Guza days, in terms of character. But I don't think the writers are capable of writing that even if they wanted to. Maybe for characters they knew better. I mean, everyone talks about how good Scott Sickles was on OLTL, and I kinda did see that, when he wrote those episode where Blair came to visit when Starr started at the Haunted Star and she announced her engagement to Tomas. But on GH, he's been one of my least favorite writers.

 

A lot of people online (not you) seem to go back and forth on Scott Sickles and it cracks me up. I remember when he used to be called Ron's one good writer, then he was Ron's worst and now people talk about how they despise him. I think the truth is somewhere more human and in-between.

 

IIRC, yeah, he did write those scenes for Todd and Blair in the summer of 2012 which were really very good and mature, and honestly without those scenes their semi-rushed reunion on OLTL 2.0 would have had much less preexisting foundation. He also did a lot of good work at OLTL, IMO. But he's also written a lot of just straight-up comedy or in-jokes that have driven people nuts, especially at GH. I don't have a problem with comedy or in-jokes, I have had a lot of time for it in the past with this team, but when it's wall-to-wall, as it often is these days in Sickles or others' scripts, it's honestly kind of suffocating and becomes just so self-satisfied and obnoxious. Like, I get that you're amusing yourselves and in another context this might all be very witty, but these stories are all terrible.

 

I think the real takeaway for me from all of that is that a lot of (but not all) staff writers are only as good as whoever's at the head of the ship, and what the directive is - Karen Harris, Michele ValJean, etc. all scripted over a lot of absolute dreck Guza and Pratt wrote, and not all of those daily scenes they wrote were gold; while Harris has talked often about how little time they had to turn something of substance out by the end of her tenure (2010-2011), many of the scenes did get slacker and lazier as the years went on. And there was really, really broad stuff in 2003-2005 that was definitely almost at this level. The summer of 2005 is, IMO, one of the worst periods in GH's post-McTavish history, and I think that's when they knew they had to make some real changes.

 

Anyway, FV and RC brought a lot of people from OLTL over, and to my knowledge the only preexisting GH writer left is Liz Korte who they may need to corral the troops. A lot of the best OLTL staff writers went over to DOOL (where Ron did not hesitate to diss them when they won that Emmy or nom or whatever the other year) so they're not here. But some of these people have done good work, Sickles included. I think it's the larger vision's that the mess.

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Ambrosefolly

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My feeling about writers, I think that most present day soap writers can be really good, even excellent on one soap, but flounder when they move onto another, or at least that is what I found with ABC daytime soaps. 

 

What RC/FV did was the opposite of what Douglas Marland would have done, which is get rid of most of the staff and replace them with their own. Now there are a few people who know the history of the show and probably why when history is mentioned, it sounds like characters are reading wiki articles. 

Tiger

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What I find interesting sting about the Guza staff as opposed to the Cartini staff is that under Gaza I always knew if a particular episode would suck or based on that days' scriptwriter, whereas under Cartini I've seen the same writers script both fantastic episodes and crap episodes.

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Fylaki

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I wonder to if the leeway given to the days writers varies from Head Writer to Head Writer, did Guza keep a tighter reign, as much as his stories were far to Sonny-Carly-Jason centric at least he did not have things happen off screen that we were suppose to find out later on, and I think he would have handled block taping better. We never would have had the three week lag between Maxie meeting Frisco at the Rib, to a conversation later on in another location. The next day would have picked up right there, block or no block.....now granted it would have picked up with Jason coming in and punching Frisco for leaving Maxie and Georgie, or Sonny reading him the riot act about what a bad Dad he was, but at least it would have picked up right there.

 

Ron is to erratic, all over the place with what seems to be no direction and it shows in the daily writer. Do the writers get notes saying "Don't worry about explaining this, I already mentioned it on twitter"? 

 

Also how much input do the day-writers get? Can they say "Ron, This thing with Patrick and Robin, it's not a love story" or does he shut them down.

Fylaki

Fylaki

 

Can Ron fire the other writers? I thought it was only Frank V. with that power.

I wonder, aren't they suppose to be great friends? Would Frank just take Ron's word? How much power, other than budget, does Frank have, can he change story lines?  If he can that he is as much a hack as Ron for allowing some of the drivel on the air, and he like Ron is looking to make GH a spoof of all things soap

MichaelaRae

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Brought over from the episode discussion thread:

 

The overall ratings are up and down AFAIK, but the individual reaction to those performers [Franco, Silas, Kiki] has been, uh, mixed at best from the start. They did focus groups or something on them starting last year, and it wasn't looking good IIRC. It's been a while, but what I recall is that it may have looked half-decent (but not great) for Silas and Sam once upon a time but the rest were a debacle. And of course, Silas and Sam are now kaput.

 

And isn't that just typical Ron? The one thing that people were responding to, even somewhat, he throws away the minute something shiny comes along (and by shiny, I mean, one or more former Y&R actors he can poach) but the things people appear to hate, by God, he will hang onto them with perversity. Hell, he more than hangs on - he pushes harder.

 

I despised the way Guza et al. apparently felt they needed to "train" us as viewers. But between Ron's insistence on "making fetch happen" CONSTANTLY, with idea after idea, and his God-awful social media behavior, I really am thinking that he actively HATES what he views as the typical soap fan. He may "love" soap operas, but I do not believe for an instant he actually loves the soap opera audience. I think he hates it and takes some twisted pleasure in fucking with it.

 

(Caveat: I do NOT want GH run by focus group. Lord knows that's what gave us the Decade of Suck. But in that case, by most accounts, those focus groups were cherry picked and basically reaffirming what TIIC already wanted to do - all Sonny/Carly/Jason and the mob, all the time. I find it fascinating that they are doing focus groups now sound as if they are somewhat less biased and maybe telling them what they're doing wrong - for once - and Ron is so petulant that he'll go out of his way to do the opposite.)

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dubbel zout

dubbel zout

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“I think that we’re really focusing on the core characters again; for awhile, we were bringing in a lot of [past characters], and I think now, they’re kind of like, ‘Ok, the characters that we have now, let’s really broaden their horizons,"

I'm sorry, is she trying to say she's a core character?

 

I know! And the that last part: "Let's really broaden their horizons." Also LOL that there's a difference between Lauren and Starr. The only difference is Lauren hasn't gotten pregnant (yet).

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HeatLifer

HeatLifer

I know! And the that last part: "Let's really broaden their horizons." Also LOL that there's a difference between Lauren and Starr. The only difference is Lauren hasn't gotten pregnant (yet).

Even worse, she's like the poor man's Starr.

To me, the most telling bit is Ron saying he can't stop writing Starr. That has been evident from the jump.

Ron needs to stop writing in general.

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Fylaki

Fylaki

Does any one else think that Sonny could be compelling if he was just allowed to be evil? It is not that he gets away with stuff that bothers me, villains on TV, especially soaps always get away with things, it is that Ron and Wolfe continued the Guza Era white washing of Sonny into a "good mobster". Same with Jason. Jason as a brain damaged killer, corrupted by Mob Boss Sonny, whose family and friends still try to find the Jason Q they once loved, would have been a tragic character, Jason the borg or Jason the hero hitman were not. Sonny as a powerful crime boss whose web of lies effects all around him would be great. Sonny the Gummi Bear Mafia Head sucks

 

(Not that I am saying SB or MB could have pulled off deeper....though MB might have years ago)

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LegalParrot81

LegalParrot81

Kristen Alderson needs to just not speak.  First, blatantly dissing the actors who are brought back to play characters that the viewers have watched for years and can totally relate to is incredibly disrespectful. Without those actors and those characters, she wouldn't have had the possibility of having a job handed to her.  To then claim her character is somehow a "core character" shows just how out of control her ego is and lastly, she needs to acknowledge that without Frank and Ron creating a character for her, she'd probably be doing something not in the entertainment industry.

 

I'll never forgive Frank and Ron for forcing her on the viewers.

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Harmony233

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IA I actually liked sonny once upon a time I remember when characters were allowed to hate him and weren't thought horribly.I remember when Brenda came back you had everyone harping and how Brenda was so horrible for sonny.Say what I would have understood if it was the opposite.THen it was anytime anybody hated sonny they was the wrong ones.It wasn't sonnys fault that he shot Dante.It wasn't sonnys fault he tried to kill Jax and fired a gun in Robins house ect.Characters shoud have consquences for there actions.Personally I'm sick of sonny and wish they would reset him for about 6 months to a year.

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testardo

testardo

I remember a you tube clip I stumbled on where Jason and AJ were in Q Manor warning Brenda away from Sonny. I loved that.

I remember that. Ned also didn't want Brenda to go near Sonny. But Lois grew up in Bensonhurst all together. I thought it was funny the way Jason went from a good guy, about to become a doctor to Sonny's lackey. brain dead one at that.

. Sonny may have been the gummy bear mobster, his club with ple dancing. He was a fagin character using teens. He had Stone running errands, plus other teens. he put hits on everyone who crossed him. Jagger was Stones brothers. etc. and He can't be bad and good. Karen was a hurting teen, Sonny used that and pushed drugs on her. Sonny was never a character I liked.
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yowsah1

yowsah1

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I thought it was funny the way Jason went from a good guy, about to become a doctor to Sonny's lackey. brain dead one at that.

 

You can thank Steve Burton for that.  He apparently found Jason Q too "whimpy" and "unmanly", and pushed for a storyline that would revamp the character into something more to his liking.  Jason Morgan the character was designed almost completely to his specifications.

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nextian

nextian

So Nancy Lee Grahn was going off on Twitter about Gone Girl, the movie. Complaining about the ending, the price of the movie, etc. It all seemed a bit much but whatever, then she tweeted that casting Neil Patrick Harris as a man who wants to sleep with a woman totally took her out of the movie?! What the hell, sounds like she's implying that a gay actor shouldn't be cast as a straight character? That's absurd, and I thought she was supposed to be so liberal and progressive? Ridiculous, why don't people think before they tweet?

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