S06.E02: #AbortionRules

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Debbie's determined to keep her baby while Fiona's determined to persuade her to abort. Debbie carries a bag of flour around all day to prove Fiona wrong about her ability to raise a child while going to school. She quickly realizes people are not as accommodating to mothers and babies as she hoped.

 

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[Primetimer]

Listless Ian and doesn't-want-to-have-an-abortion Debbie are driving Fiona up a tree, and that's not even the last of her problems. Meanwhile: hipsters. Also: guns.

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[WhosThatGirl]

Well. That happened. Surprise twist- or was it?-that no one asked for. 

[SoWindsor]

Didn't enjoy this episode at all. Just felt off.

Not liking any of these story lines.

Mickey really brought something special.

[WhosThatGirl]

Didn't enjoy this episode at all. Just felt off.

Not liking any of these story lines.

Mickey really brought something special.

Yeah, this is spot on for how I feel. I don't really care about anything that happened tonight. I just found myself mildly annoyed by most of it. 

[junemeatcleaver]

Fiona's man is shooting up, apparently a lot judging by those track marks, using who knows whose dirty needles, and she's still raw dogging it?  Ew.

[LekoBoy]

Only good part was VAN MONTGOMERY IN A THONG !!! (Even tho we've seen his full frontal Willie before.)

[Emily Thrace]

Yeah Dumbass has obviously had more than one slip. I have a feeling this whole thing is about to end. Either he's going to burnout quickly or OD. Probably right when Fiona doubles down on him. I just hope he isn't her kids dad. And this damn well better not be some idiotic idea of TPTB to bring back Skeve. Although I wonder if Fi is actually going to keep.it. No way are both of them going to have a kid though, so either Fi has an abortion or Debbie does or possibly both.

 

It was nice to see Lip back with his family even if he was breaking up fight. I am fast forwarding through his whole lady prof story. It just so obviously going to flame out and its either creepy or porny and I can't wait until it over. They really need to have him interact more with his family anyway. The chemistry he has with his siblings makes him much more awake somehow (I think even JAW is somewhat bored with this story.). At school he's kinda just a smart mouth asshole. At home he gets to be the voice of reason and show some vulnerability. Or even just give him some other former hood rat to mentor, anything but this boring, stupid crap.

 

Love the bar stuff though. Its interesting how the hipsters are starting to endear themselves a bit. I also loved that Kevin pointed out that the Lisa's are being part of the problem and didn't give them a pass. Hopefully he doesn't get blamed for the accident.

[WhosThatGirl]

The bar stuff really is the best thing about this show lately. It's funny, I enjoy it. Everything else is really..just as I said mildly annoying. I did like Lip getting in between Fiona and Debbie's fight though. That made me laugh.  But honestly, all his college stuff is just..blah. It takes him away from most of the action in the show and not in a good way. It was cool when he first started in season four but now it is a totally different arc that rarely comes full circle with everyone else but whatever. And his storyline with the professor is just..blah too. 

 

Fiona won't stay pregnant. At least I hope not. But yeah, her or Debbie is going to get an abortion, I REALLY HOPE! Also, yeah Sean- that's his name , right? someone correct me cause otherwise I am totally blanking on it- has slipped before. And I'm guessing, he's going to again. He should not be dating Fiona- OR ANYONE!- until he realizes he's having issues again and needs to be by himself, before he starts dating again because I think his problems are resurfacing and someone said it in the last episode but The Gallaghers house is probably the last house he needs to be at.  But first and foremost, I don't think he should be dating anyone.  And Fiona has no clue how addicts behave because she isn't one. Like, I'm sure before season four, she had partied and done some stuff but I don't think she understands Sean's issues because for Sean, it was.. what he did everyday just to be a person. For Fiona, drugs are probably just a momentary thing. She doesn't get it and she wouldn't. So, yeah. This is not going to work out well. I really hope Fiona doesn't keep the baby, but then I hope Debbie doesn't either. And who knows where the show is going with it.

Edited January 18, 2016 by WhosThatGirl

[WaltersHair]

I find it interesting that Liam was completely MIA for this episode.

This was likely a crappy attempt to make us forget that Debbie IS capable of raising a kid because that's exactly what she's been doing with Liam while everyone else has MIA at various prisons, schools and back water shacks in Costa Rica. Seasons past she was his primary caregiver.

 

But I don't like her, so....Die Flour Baby.

[OptimisticCynic]

I can't believe getting tested for HIV knowing Sean shot up didn't even come up. I thought Fiona was more street smart than that.

Also the dialogue used in the opening sex scene really disturbed me. Fiona says she's not in the mood, he feels and says he "knows better." Then he covers her mouth, tells her to turn her brain off, and breathe into him. I get its "Shameless" and I understand book ending with the end of the episode but Sean is a dick. Also divorced of the coercive context of some of his other dialogue "breathe into my body" is so utterly cheesy and hokey for the tone of the show. For me it failed on both counts.

[WhosThatGirl]

The character of Sean seriously grows less and less on me in every scene is in. Which, I guess, congratulations to the writers for making a character I disliked a lot even less likeable. I don't know why they feel the need to do this. I know it's realistic for an addict to have a slip up but I mean.. the way they write Sean just nothing he does makes me like him. 

 

ETA: Liam was seen once during breakfast. Just a quick shot of him. 

Edited January 18, 2016 by WhosThatGirl

[DiabLOL]

While I'm not big on sex scenes in general, the ones in this show leave me feeling depressed. Is this show supposed to be "sexy"?

 

Franks stupid plot is really not funny but I get the feeling the writers want me to go all oh no way he isn't doing that oh that crazy guy! 

 

Lip's storyline is gross and a total bummer and worst of all boring.

 

I hate how Fiona is supposed to be some street savvy working class angel who gives customers full thermoses of coffee (I would have canned her ass for that) but can't figure out that she should be pretty concerned that she's having unprotected sex with a junkie. Also, does she not know how babies are made at this point? I also found myself having a huge problem with his hand over her mouth seduction technique. I hate them both.

 

Someone posted it in last weeks thread, I think, about how everyone except for Frank is too toned and smooth from expensive workouts and high end cosmetics and beauty treatments given their income levels and lifestyles. 

 

I don't give a crap about Debbie and her stupid Flour Baby. I hate her the most I think because of how she's written and acted. Everything is stupid and screechy and over the top. She sure is Monica's kid. 

 

I guess I;m just watching this show for Liam at this point. I don't know. Sunday's are a slow night for me right now.

[Gulftastic]

Emmy Rossum's beautiful sad eyes make me want to hug her. Fiona is now pregnant to a junkie, raising kids that aren't her and resent her for doing so.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

Sean's behavior at the beginning of the episode was so creepy and gross. If I were stressed out about something and my boyfriend covered my mouth, told me to shut up, and then put his dick in, I would be pretty upset. And that's even before he started that weird/creepy sex talk. "Breathe into my body"? Really?

 

I try to cut Debbie some slack because I can admit that I was a melodramatic pain in the ass at that age who didn't always make the best choices, but ugh. Her refusal to accept that her boyfriend has cut off all contact with her is delusional bordering on ludicrous.

 

While it's true that Debbie has done her fair share of watching Liam, that was at home, as in after school and over the summer. She is a loving sister who knows how to change a diaper and watch a toddler, but that is not the same as juggling a baby AT SCHOOL or having to work so that she can feed her kid. Obviously Fiona has made mistakes, but what she has done over the past few years vs Debbie babysitting Liam and watching the daycare kids over the summer is not the same. Fiona dropped out of high school so she could work and put food on the table. In S1, Fiona had multiple jobs and she was working day and night. She was literally shoveling shit so that the kids could eat and pay the power bill. Now she's in her 20s and she's gone from cocktail waitress (S1) to diner waitress because she doesn't have enough education or experience to get a better paying job. Of course she doesn't want that for Debbie.

 

And I don't blame Fiona for being afraid that she will end up being responsible for Debbie's baby. Like she said, she has taken care of this family for years so I can understand her not wanting to add another 18 years to that, especially when it's clear that the baby's father is no longer in the picture and this is going to be all on the Gallaghers. On top of that, in S1 everyone was pitching in to help the family stay afloat but now Lip is at school and Ian is barely functioning (and I'm not blaming either of them for not being around more, just saying that they aren't as present as they used to be in terms of the support system in the house). That means the responsibility to take care of this baby is going to fall on Debbie and Fiona.

 

The sad thing is that Frank accidentally killing that cancer patient this week is not the worst thing that he's done.

 

One of the saddest moments this week was when Debbie accused Fiona of always bragging about how she'd been raising the kids since she was 16. Fiona corrected her and said it had been forced on her and then they cut to Carl looking kind of sad. He usually puts up a hard front, but that one reaction shot was an unguarded moment. I'm glad that he didn't look upset about it though.

Edited January 18, 2016 by ElectricBoogaloo

[LuciaMia]

Wondering .Didn't Fiona down that Ativan that Vee brought her? So why didn't it show up on her drug test? Oh well .
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Other observations 

Oh Lip. Please tell me the writers aren't trying to put you into "Double Indemnity" territory with your prof.
But I agree with the poster above , I like his character best when he's back interacting with the family.

And speaking of family.Damn, those Gallaghers are a fertile bunch. If LIsa and lisa had had trouble getting pregnant, they could always have hired one of the Gallaghers as a surrogate.
Is it a coin-toss whether the father is Sean or the musician? And now that she's pregnant, can someone get Fiona a good square meal? If her eyes or cheekbones get any bigger…

Frank can just die now. Or just his storyline.

What did make me happy is that Kev and Vee are finally making a profit out of that bar.

Edited January 18, 2016 by LuciaMia

[ElectricBoogaloo]

I just hope that they are able to make a huge amount of money and put it away before the hipsters move on to something else like artisanal toothpicks or something. With all the people taking pictures and videos inside the bar, I keep expecting the bar to get busted for something. I know Svetlana said they got the espresso machine for free but I hope they didn't pay too much for the karaoke setup or the barber chair because no one will be using those once the hipsters abandon the bar.

 

My guess is that either the Ativan won't show up in Fiona's blood work because, as Vee said, it was old, or it will show and be what prevents her from officially becoming the assistant manager and she will have to go back to being a waitress but everyone will still hate her.

 

Maybe Fiona and Debbie can go to the clinic and get abortions together?

[LuciaMia]

We can't edit our posts anymore it seems. All my question marks and elipsses came out as %u2026

[LuciaMia]

Or it could be that a basic employee drug test doesn't test for everything under the sun, just the usual suspects like grass, coke, etc.

[Mindymoo]

I just hope that they are able to make a huge amount of money and put it away before the hipsters move on to something else like artisanal toothpicks or something. With all the people taking pictures and videos inside the bar, I keep expecting the bar to get busted for something. I know Svetlana said they got the espresso machine for free but I hope they didn't pay too much for the karaoke setup or the barber chair because no one will be using those once the hipsters abandon the bar.

 

My guess is that either the Ativan won't show up in Fiona's blood work because, as Vee said, it was old, or it will show and be what prevents her from officially becoming the assistant manager and she will have to go back to being a waitress but everyone will still hate her.

 

Maybe Fiona and Debbie can go to the clinic and get abortions together?

Old Ativan may not be as potent, but it doesn't just change the chemical compound and magically disappear from your urine. It is possible that they don't test for it, or that she could say she has some from an old prescription since it is a prescription drug, unlike cocaine and crystal meth.

Edited January 18, 2016 by Mindy McIndy

[whiporee]

I guess I might be alone in being all right with the episode.  Reviewers here and AV Clubs disliked it -- so do all the forums. I might just be dumb. 

 

I thought the ending sex was the most realistic sex I've ever seen on TV.

 

I thought Fiona's battles with everyone were boiling over, and if it weren't for the smallest Gallagher, she'd be perfectly right to just leave. She keeps trying and everyone just keeps fucking her over for trying. Debbie is an ungrateful little bitch, Ian's an ungrateful older ass and Carl's on his way to life or getting Fiona's felon-self back in jail. Add into that the neighborhood she's known is dying through rebirth, Frank and a junkie boyfriend, and I have to think she'd be better off just hightailing it out west. it's what they all deserve. Except Lip, but Lip will be fine. 

 

At some point you need to cut the cord, and everyone is making it pretty clear to Fiona that time has come. 

 

best line of the night, though: Lip on the ground, having just broken up Debbie and Fiona -- "Fucking Gallaghers." 

[Diablo]

I guess I might be alone in being all right with the episode.  Reviewers here and AV Clubs disliked it -- so do all the forums. I might just be dumb. 

 

You're not alone. This was one of my favorite episodes in a long while. It feels pretty much like vintage Shameless to me.

[wovenloaf]

Why do they have to spend so much time of the episode on Sean and his problems? I don't care about him at all, or like him. I sure hope the kid is Gus's. And that she kicks Sean to the curb. Why was she not more angry that he was shooting up in her house with kids there??? Hello Fiona... In case you forgot all the other reasons that should bother you...remember that time Liam ate your coke?

[OrientalAmish]

I am not surprised that Sean is relapsing because let's face it, do you really think that he can stay clean being with a girl like Fiona + her ways? It would be a good relationship while it lasted, but it ain't going to....And, of course, Derek ran for the hills as soon as Debbie started talking how "awesome" it be to teen parents last episode.... .1% of me expected her to be more smarter....I said .1%

Also the dialogue used in the opening sex scene really disturbed me. Fiona says she's not in the mood, he feels and says he "knows better." Then he covers her mouth, tells her to turn her brain off, and breathe into him. 

 

I am not condoning how Sean approached Fiona in having sex in the opening scene, but this is Fiona we are talking about....I am probably fucked in the head for saying that....;-x

Edited January 18, 2016 by OrientalAmish

[answerphone]

I find myself looking forward to Svetlana's satirical remarks, and I'm glad they're having her work at the bar

I find myself looking forward to Svetlana's satirical remarks, and I'm glad they're having her work at the bar

[Empress1]

Forgive me if I'm asking an answered question, but did Fiona and Gus get a divorce? (I mean, good, he was too good for her; I just wondered if it was explained.)

 

I kind of found the first sex scene hot. [ducks] I mean, they should be using condoms (especially since he's a heroin user; they should be using condoms and he should be getting very regular HIV and hep tests) and Fiona should be on the pill, but the sex itself was hot.

 

I'm over Lip fucking (and apparently falling for) his professor. It's creepy and weird at this point, with her whole family in on the act. I was totally with him on not working for free, though. He can't afford to take an unpaid internship (and I was under the impression that internships in tech and engineering pay, and pay well).

 

Svetlana is capitalizing on the hipsters like whoa. I'm impressed!

 

Debbie. Girl. It's not going to happen. The boy is gone. I don't blame Fiona for assuming that she'll be the one raising 15-year-old Debbie's baby - I'm sure she will. And them brawling in the street over it was funny. But neither of them should be having a baby.

 

Where are these South Side kids getting this cash to buy guns? Carl as a criminal mastermind is cracking me up because let's be real, that's where he was headed.

[Cosmocrush]

Where are these South Side kids getting this cash to buy guns? Carl as a criminal mastermind is cracking me up because let's be real, that's where he was headed.

I'm guessing they are getting the cash the same way Carl always does - some sort of crime.    The kid who plays Carl is one good actor though.  I don't know how old he is  (or Carl really for that matter) but I've always thought his acting was as good as anyone else's on the cast.  Now, maybe even more.  

 

It was nice to see Lip back with his family even if he was breaking up fight. I am fast forwarding through his whole lady prof story. It just so obviously going to flame out and its either creepy or porny and I can't wait until it over. They really need to have him interact more with his family anyway. The chemistry he has with his siblings makes him much more awake somehow (I think even JAW is somewhat bored with this story.). At school he's kinda just a smart mouth asshole. At home he gets to be the voice of reason and show some vulnerability. Or even just give him some other former hood rat to mentor, anything but this boring, stupid crap.

Did you miss the part where she suggested Lip kill her husband?   And make it look like an accident?   I can't tell if it's a joke or not but if not, then totally unoriginal show. 

 

 

Or it could be that a basic employee drug test doesn't test for everything under the sun, just the usual suspects like grass, coke, etc.

And pregnancy?  I think that would be illegal - I mean testing for a pregnancy at work.  Popping an old ativan before a drug test was just sloppy writing.  

Edited January 18, 2016 by Cosmocrush

[WhosThatGirl]

Forgive me if I'm asking an answered question, but did Fiona and Gus get a divorce? (I mean, good, he was too good for her; I just wondered if it was explained.)

 

They are separated. From my memory when he left to go on tour he was leaving it open but he did seem kind of upset about her behavior and was sort of being distant towards her but who wouldn't after the way she was acting and then she started hooking up with Sean. 

 

Like I said earlier, still don't like many of these storylines as of late. But hey, only episode two! I just don't think I want to watch Debbie with a baby or Fiona with one. Either story is going to be painfully sad. 

[Hamatron]

At some point you need to cut the cord, and everyone is making it pretty clear to Fiona that time has come.

I get why she might want to do that and run off, but she's still the legal guardian of Ian (is he still 17?), Debbie (15), Carl (14?), and Liam (... 4?). Bare minimum, cutting the cord on Liam would be pretty cold. Plus, legal obligations aside, leaving would mean the kids would either end up in homes or on the street. Or Lip possibly leaving college to hold things together.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Hamatron

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah, Fiona can't really cut the cord with Debbie, Carl, and Liam. She is still raising them. And Ian is still 17 I believe, but yeah, he could live on his own but legally she is still in charged of the other three. 

[Empress1]

When Fiona said she was "almost done raising you kids" I was like, is your youngest brother in kindergarten yet? You have plenty of time left to go, Fiona.

[OrientalAmish]

Svetlana is easily my top favorite character on the show.... Is she a cast regular yet? She better be!

[Trixieagogo]

I'm not so sure Fiona's baby-daddy is Sean - it could be Jimmy OR Gus, too.  I'm a little unclear if there has been a time jump, but Debs is newly pregnant so it can't have been very long since Fiona's two-fer with Jimmy and Gus near the end of last season.  I predicted Deb would follow her delusions to Florida but I was surprised at Fiona's pregnancy and I hope it's resolved soon.  I root for these kids so much it stresses me out to see the cluster fuck forming and growing and about to snowball the lot of them. (Yes, I know this happens every season.  I still want things to be better for them.) I am really tired of Frank in Bianca Grief mode and wish they'd give William H. Macy something worthy of his talents.  

[DiabLOL]

Svetlana is easily my top favorite character on the show.... Is she a cast regular yet? She better be!

Yes! I love Svetlana! When she slapped that hipster and he loved it!

[WaltersHair]

I finally figured out why I love and hate this show at the same time.

Recently watched The Night Listener (I highly recommend it). It involves an author who is asked to read a book written by an abused teenager. The author's husband reads it too and doesn't think the book is real. Why not? "It can't be that bad for him ALL the time. Seems shuzzed up."

 

That's the Gallagher Family to a T. It is bad for all of them all of the time. The bar gets to be the Best Worst Bar on the South Side for all of ten minutes before Kevin does something incredibly stupid. Debbie is the smart one who turns into an idiot within a single season. Carl is a bad kid all of the time. Fiona gets a good job and boyfriend then sleeps with his brother and poisons her little brother within a few episodes.

Seems like too much.

 

ETA I'm not looking for reality with this show, I just think the writers ask for too much from an audience for a long run of a show. Everyone know a Gallagher family. 

My opinion of course.

Edited January 19, 2016 by WaltersHair

[WhosThatGirl]

I finally figured out why I love and hate this show at the same time.

Recently watched The Night Listener (I highly recommend it). It involves an author who is asked to read a book written by an abused teenager. The author's husband reads it too and doesn't think the book is real. Why not? "It can't be that bad for him ALL the time. Seems shuzzed up."

 

That's the Gallagher Family to a T. It is bad for all of them all of the time. The bar gets to be the Best Worst Bar on the South Side for all of ten minutes before Kevin does something incredibly stupid. Debbie is the smart one who turns into an idiot within a single season. Carl is a bad kid all of the time. Fiona gets a good job and boyfriend then sleeps with his brother and poisons her little brother within a few episodes.

Seems like too much.

This. I get that this show is Shameless, but it seems like none of the characters can ever catch a break. Right now, Lip seems to be the only one but even that comes with red flags and warning signs. We all know nothing good is going to come from his deal with whatever the hell is up with the married couple. It's just not going to end well, it's going to get worse. I get that a lot of their actions could be self-sabotaged at times but I don't know, it's not really fun to watch and I know what this show is but like you said, sometimes it feels the show is just trying to gaslight everything for the sole purpose of something.

[gwhh]

Is Professor Helene Runyon Robinson husband in the TV show the same husband she has her son with?

 

Is the husband in the TV show her first husband?? 

 

Any idea how old her son is, did they say in the TV show yet? 

[Tatum]

Is Professor Helene Runyon Robinson husband in the TV show the same husband she has her son with?

Is the husband in the TV show her first husband??

Any idea how old her son is, did they say in the TV show yet?

The kid referred to the husband as his dad, but it could be a stepdad. Also Helene said he went to Yale, I'm pretty sure. So late teens early 20s- likely same as Lip.

I hope Helene was serious and that's enough to get Lip to rethink this relationship. I'm so bored with Lip, Fiona and frank and their respective sex lives.

Has Debbie always been this insufferable? While I appreciated the older brother's girlfriend setting her straight, I wonder if girlfriend feels any culpability in telling a naive 14 year old from a dysfunctional family that getting pregnant was the best thing to ever happen to her.

I'm kind of liking Carl this season and I usually hate him.

I too love svetlana. She's just so cool and unapologetic.

[ElectricBoogaloo]

He'a in college so around the same age as Lip.

ETA: Tatum answered while my browser was stuck!

Edited January 19, 2016 by ElectricBoogaloo

[gwhh]

I was watching this episode again.  And I had this question. 

 

When They are having breakfast in the Kitchen and Professor Helene Runyon Robinson son is in the kitchen eating breakfast and talking with Lip. 

 

Where did the professor son come from? 

 

Did he come over just for breakfast (in the AM and heard them banging) or was at the house that night and heard Lip banging his mom (along with his dad taking his turn) like a bass drum for hours on end??

 

Did anyone else think from day one that BOTH college professor could lose there jobs for banging a student?  Almost all university (these days) have rules against students and professor having an relationship and/or sex was students at that university??

 

I also think that Professor Helene "son" is not her biological child and is not her husband biological child either! 

 

Does anyone else think dad the professor is suppressing a lot of rage and anger for some reason and have a really nasty undertone to his polished and educated personality?   

Edited January 19, 2016 by gwhh

[Tatum]

 

When They are having breakfast in the Kitchen and Professor Helene Runyon Robinson son is in the kitchen eating breakfast and talking with Lip.

 

Where did the professor son come from?

 

Yeah, that does appear kind of random. He doesn't live there (because he goes to Yale, which is not exactly close to Chicago), and there are apparently no pictures of him in the house that Lip has seen, Helene has never mentioned him, yet on a random weekday night he popped in hang with Helene for the evening and get spotted by Lip while the latter was stalking Helene. And he was on his way out, but decided to go back in the house and tell Helene what happened and maybe stick around for medical treatment. Not sure how many days passed between the brawl outside and Lip seeing him in the kitchen but it was a school day so why was he not back at Yale?

 

It just seems like a really clunky way to drive home that Helene is more than just this horny pretentious teacher with a very understanding husband.

[Chaos Theory]

Debbie has always had a deep seeded need to be loved. It might not be pretty but it is canonical the levels she will go for that love. Stealing a baby, getting attached to the fake aunt who owned their property. Debbie's need is almost an addiction of its own; one that a baby won't fill.

I am just afraid once the brand new baby smell wears of it will end up another abandoned unloved Gallagher. This show has always been about perpetual cycles and abandonment fits right in.

<---edited because once again phone makes up words.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Chaos Theory

[gwhh]

Yeah, that does appear kind of random. He doesn't live there (because he goes to Yale, which is not exactly close to Chicago), and there are apparently no pictures of him in the house that Lip has seen, Helene has never mentioned him, yet on a random weekday night he popped in hang with Helene for the evening and get spotted by Lip while the latter was stalking Helene. And he was on his way out, but decided to go back in the house and tell Helene what happened and maybe stick around for medical treatment. Not sure how many days passed between the brawl outside and Lip seeing him in the kitchen but it was a school day so why was he not back at Yale?

 

It just seems like a really clunky way to drive home that Helene is more than just this horny pretentious teacher with a very understanding husband.

 

That a good point. Yale and Chicago are pretty far in district even by redeye air flight!

 

Here another point.  Does he have a bedroom at that house?  If he not "staying" there where he staying at when not in school or in Chicago?  Would Lip not notice a bedroom set up for a male about his age in that house? 

 

I am getting the feeling Professor Helene "son" is not her biological child and is not her husband biological child either!

Edited January 19, 2016 by gwhh

[iMonrey]

 

.Didn't Fiona down that Ativan that Vee brought her? So why didn't it show up on her drug test? Oh well .

 

I kept waiting for that to show up too - or that she'd test positive for heroin because she'd slept with Sean and he shot up just the night before. But no, I guess the point of the drug test was for her to find out she's pregnant. Which is kind of BS because a.) she'd find that out anyway, the usual way and b.) who is drug testing her? Doesn't Sean own the diner? If not, who does and when did they find out Sean made her assistant manager? Wouldn't they know Sean is a recovering drug addict and require mandatory testing for him too?

 

There was way too much Debbie in this episode for my tastes, but at this point I'm more frustrated with Derek (if that's how you spell his name) and/or his parents, because they should have let (or made) Derek talk to Debbie and tell her he didn't want this baby, or to get married, etc. As it is, they're letting her continue on in this delusion that she and Derek are being kept apart like Romeo and Juliet or something. 

[stagmania]

When Fiona said she was "almost done raising you kids" I was like, is your youngest brother in kindergarten yet? You have plenty of time left to go, Fiona.

In the (admittedly dubious) timeline of this show, it's been roughly a year since Fiona actively fought for custody of these kids, and seemed to have a fierce pride and love for this family that she's held together. And yet now she's behaving as though it's a huge, terrible burden that she's always resented, to the point where she says those things to her little sister's face. I can understand her having those feelings of resentment, but I cannot understand the way she's choosing to express them. On top of that, Liam is four years old, and Fiona is the only parent he's ever known, but apparently she thinks she can just ditch that responsibility because she's decided she wants to do her own thing. I truly don't recognize her anymore, and no, having a couple Gallagher morning scenes isn't enough to convince me that the character I used to love and respect is really back. I think the show has completely lost sight of who she is.

[WhosThatGirl]

Yeah, Fiona of season three would never act this way or say the things she is saying now. When Fiona had her downward spiral in season four, I sort of got it. It made sense in an odd way. Both of her brothers-who she at many times said were her rocks- were gone and she was in a somewhat strange environment with the job and none of it made sense. But Fiona of season five and this season is..not the person/character I remember. I get that she's resentful and trying to explain to Debbie that this wasn't like her dream but I don't think her tone was in the right away. Also her two other younger brothers were sitting right there too so that must have been so nice for them to hear this too. 

 

I don't know. Maybe the problem is I binge watched all the past seasons when Showtime did their marathons the two weekends before the new season and I remembered how much I loved this show and now I don't anymore. 

[DiabLOL]

There was way too much Debbie in this episode for my tastes, but at this point I'm more frustrated with Derek (if that's how you spell his name) and/or his parents, because they should have let (or made) Derek talk to Debbie and tell her he didn't want this baby, or to get married, etc. As it is, they're letting her continue on in this delusion that she and Derek are being kept apart like Romeo and Juliet or something.

Yes and also I kept thinking what they thought they'd accomplish with this move if she goes ahead and has his baby. She could still minimally come after him/them for hold support, no?

[Chaos Theory]

I meant to also add that I am really liking Carl's story this season. Being so young he never really had much to do but now fresh out of Juvie and hanging with the gang bangers he is fascinating. Of course Carl would join a black gang and flourish.

[Tatum]

Yes and also I kept thinking what they thought they'd accomplish with this move if she goes ahead and has his baby. She could still minimally come after him/them for hold support, no?

 

Yes, his move to FL makes no sense. Debbie can't force him to do anything but provide financial support, which he (or his parents) have to do anyways regardless of whether he lives in FL or Illinois. The move would only make sense if they wanted to get him away from Debbie- not if he himself wanted to get away from Debbie.

 

It sounds like their only real endgame was letting Debbie think that they were the bad guys instead of Derek leaving her high and dry (yes, Debbie was dishonest, but no one in his family knows that for sure, although I would bet the girlfriend suspects it after her conversations with Debbie)- which while they may think they are protecting her feelings, they are actually doing more harm than good by letting her believe that Derek was forced away from her and didn't run away from her with no interest in parenting a child. I don't know if Debbie would still choose to go through with the pregnancy, but either way, she should know Derek has no plans of ending up with her and she will be doing this alone.

 

And really Debbie? You're just going to go to Florida and wander around pregnant and broke, hoping that in a 66,000 square mile area with 20 million people, you happen upon Derek? When did she get this stupid?

[dangwoodchucks]

Where exactly is Liam sleeping? Carl was in the top bunk, his friend was in the lower, and Ian was in the other bed.

 

Not liking Ian's story with the professor or Debbie's baby story, but I liked their conversation when he tried to pick her up from school. I really thought she would change her mind about having the baby after her friends discussed how difficult it was. Like someone said, maybe she and Fiona can get abortions together.

 

All I can think of is those poor dogs. An injured (or dead) Yannis can't get them out of the pound.

 

Given the number of dudes Fiona has had sex with, I would think she'd want to get checked for HIV or STDs anyway. Sean can go and OD anytime now.

 

Gus is back next week!