S05.E13: Party Down

[Maharincess]

There really haven't been that many scenes with Maci and Jayde, tho. When Bently was a newborn it was all about her and him because that was the entire focus of the show at the time. There's been like, 3 scenes with Jayde even present this season and in each one she's holding her, it's not like she's part of Jenelle's "plop the baby in the corner alone with a bottle" school of parenting. Also, Jayde is a second child, lots of people have more attention divided with their second. I know I did, anyway. I don't love her any less (in fact, I admit I have my moments of favoring her), I just didn't have quite as much time and energy to devote solely to her as I did to my son like when he was newborn.

I saw more of a problem with harassing Bentley about "girlfriends" at 6 years old than anything having to do with Jayde. Even my husband, who got suckered into watching with me, said "aaaaaand that's probably how you became sixteen and pregnant." Heh. I was also hating her for being that stick thin 6 weeks after giving birth. WTF? I still looked 6 months pregnant at that point! I'll hate on her all day long for that!

I do of course thinks she loves and cares for her baby. What stands out to me though is that she would go into hysterics at the mere thought of sending 3 year old Bentley to preschool/daycare but she dropped infant Jayde off without a care. It just seemed kind of odd to me.

[Nire]

I don't really feel like I can criticize Amber for not playing with Leah at the park. I almost never play with my kids at playgrounds. I'll spot them, keep an eye on them and intervene if necessary but it's very rare that I actually play with them. But I am not a awesome mom like Amber so I don't even do the five minutes of forced playtime.

I personally can't imagine going so far away from my newborn. If anything had happened they would have been so far away. When my oldest was five months we attended a no kid wedding while he stayed wiyh my inlaws but we could still get there relatively quickly.

I'm also struck by the lack of a bond between Maci and Jayde compared to Bentley. I have a five year old, three year old and a eight month old. Although I miss the bigger two it's the baby that I hate to be apart from and think about all the time when we're apart.

Anyone else think Sophia wasn't in any sor of booster in the car. Even Amber has Leah in a booster

[SheTalksShit]

Anyone else find it a tad hypocritical that Tyler goes to a strip club after saying on the Reunion last season that Farrah sets a bad example when she does porn?

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[SheTalksShit]

I get Farrah. Call me crazy, but I do. Maybe because I've followed her story pretty closely from the beginning or maybe because I can just sense certain things, but I get her. I believe the reason she's in denial about being excluded from the party because she did porn is because she was tricked into doing it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346545/He-drugged-abused-raped-Farrah-Abraham-claims-traumatized-porn-star-James-Deen-forced-undergo-intensive-therapy.html 

IDK why but I believe her, I believe that's what happened. I think once it became clear the tape was going to be released, she decided, "OK, well then I might as well make money off it." So she did. But I think she wishes it didn't happen and she feels she was tricked, that she didn't initially agree to do a porn, so it's hard for her to accept/drives her crazy that something she didn't even initially choose to do is the reason she's now being excluded from a party and looked at a certain way. 

 

Say what you will about the girl, she's been through a lot. 

OH MY LAWD! Farrah is the most delusional person on the damn planet! Non one wants you at the party because you're on Teen Mom?? Girl, what???! You have got to be kidding me! And also, I don't think you know what "classy" means.

 

I would love to hear what her producers actually think about her. They all seem to tip toe around her, watching their words so that she doesn't get upset. I just need to know that they hate her as much as I do.

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[SheTalksShit]

No, that's her mother sucking up to her, because Farrah supports her financially. 

Perfect description of Farrah 's mom, a leg humper. LOL. Did you all hear Debra say to her already delusional daughter that the work that Farrah has done on the show has changed the world. What? The world? Really? I think mentally something is wrong with Debra, Farrah and, for all those faces and constantly hitting people, Sophia has been hit with it as well.

[SPLAIN]

 

Totally agree Splain.  And further, Jayde is all of 6 weeks old. She said to Taylor "how long has it been since we've been able to leave with NO KIDS?" Well, aside from the mud run they showed on the last episode, I'd guess it's been about 6.5 weeks.

Maci talks as if she and Taylor have been bogged down with school, jobs, and not had a trip or vacation in years. Maci is full of it. Sure plenty of parents can leave behind a newborn and not feel bad about it or they may feel bad, but they take a much needed vacation or some time away from work and home because they have the time off from work and the money to pay for it. What the hell is Maci doing in her life that she needs a break? Her whole life since being on television has been nothing but one long vacation from reality. 

 

No, that's her mother sucking up to her, because Farrah supports her financially.

 

Why shouldn't Farrah support her mother? After all, she commands her parents to be there for her at the drop of a hat. It is the least she could do. Farrah would have to pay someone to watch her daughter for a whole month. Why not pay Deb? Do we even know if Farrah is supporting her mother? 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SPLAIN

[SheTalksShit]

Why shouldn't Farrah support her mother? After all, she commands her parents to be there for her at the drop of a hat. It is the least she could do. Farrah would have to pay someone to watch her daughter for a whole month. Why not pay Deb? Do we even know if Farrah is supporting her mother? 

Oh, I completely agree she should pay Deb for watching Sofia for a month. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about paying for her liquid facelifts (remember last year? Debra called her and asked Farrah for $8000 to pay for it), etc. 

 

Did you ever read Debra's book, Vapor? It's about how she was swindled out of $200,000 by a conman on a dating site. In the book, she details what lead up to it - how her husband left her and she was let go of a good-paying job she'd had for 25 years before the economy crashed and was now working a low-paying job and kinda hated her life. But bottom line, Debra is broke. She relies on Farrah to support her. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[SPLAIN]

Oh, I have never read any book by any of these people on this show. What little info I know from their books comes from excerpts posted here. I had no idea Deb was working at a low-paying job. Then again, any new job wouldn't pay her top dollar.

 

 

Debra called her and asked Farrah for $8000 to pay for it), etc.

Deb said she would pay Farrah back. If I had my mom in my life, and she wanted something to make her feel good, I'd pay for it in a heartbeat. My mom wouldn't have to ask to borrow money from me. She put up with my ass and attitude while I was rebellious teen, not to mention she worked hard with my dad to provide a loving home for us kids. If all Deb asks from Farrah is a face peel and some respect, I'd say Farrah should do it for her. 

[NikSac]

Why shouldn't Farrah support her mother? After all, she commands her parents to be there for her at the drop of a hat. It is the least she could do. Farrah would have to pay someone to watch her daughter for a whole month. Why not pay Deb? Do we even know if Farrah is supporting her mother? 

 

Not to mention, I don't even think you could pay me enough to deal with Farrah OR Sofia. If she expects her Mom to be a built in long-term babysitter/nanny, she should at least pay her for it. As far as supporting her I don't know except I vaguely remember her complaining about paying for some of her Mom's plastic surgery. ETA: I see others remembered the details better than I did.

Edited January 15, 2016 by NikSac

[SheTalksShit]

Amber really needs to stop with her little digs: Complaining about how Leah was dressed for the first day of school, complaining about the shoes Leah is wearing. Did they know you were going to the park? Maybe if they did, they would have had her wear them. OR maybe you could keep extra items with you for just this occasion. And another thing, I don't believe anything that Amber says that Leah "said". Why do the cameras never catch her? I mean, outside of the sleeping all day thing. I can't remember, did Leah say that to Gary on camera or was that something Gary said that Leah said?

 

Nice to see that Ryan can actually be playful and fun for his son. I'm sure it isn't a regular thing, but it is nice to know that he's capable or loosening up.

 

Way to ruin dinner Maci. How can she NOT see that she's annoying with the constant talk about getting married? You slept with the guy, had his child and bought a home without a ring so, please don't act like the sanctity of marriage means anything to you.

 

What party did Farrah crash? She was there for four minutes! Probably didn't even make it past the back door.

 

To be fair to Maci, it was Taylor's friend who brought it up and encouraged him, until Taylor made it clear he did not want to discuss it. His friend actually annoyed me, when he said, "Trust me, Maci, as a guy, it sucks to be pressured into marriage," like wtf? he's the 1 who brought it up, and if I were Maci, I woulda said, "Well trust me, as a woman with 2 kids, whose bought a house w/my boyfriend and had a child w/him and still no ring and the whole world commenting on it, I feel differently." 

I felt bad for Farrah on the after show.  The other girls all shared one couch and appear to be very close and then there is Farrah on the other couch looking uncomfortable.  Then they were all cackling about their night out.  At least Farrah was diplomatic. 

 

Maci is such a contradiction.  She says on the after show that she allows Bentley to see Ryan because it's best for him, even when she doesn't want to, however she was JUST talking about limiting the weekends during the episode.  Also, what is marriage really going to change about your relationship Maci?  You already own a home and have a child together.  On the flip side, I wonder why Taylor won't just pop the question since they are basically living the married life.  It was funny how pissed Maci looked when Taylor's friend pretty much told her to stop pressuring him.  And her passive aggressive comment about people in her life tiring of waiting for him to propose was uncalled for.  Don't drag your family and friends into that discussion.  That's a wuss move.  Speak on what you want in your relationship and why but don't try to use other people to apply added pressure.

 

I don't know why but Catelynn on the after show was so annoying to me.  Also, that stripper hyping their relationship is the reason they think their shit doesn't stink. Catelynn's smug look during that conversation was annoying.  

 

I like how Debra called out the real reason Farrah wasn't invited to the White Party as her porn past.  I laughed.  However, it's probably more likely due to Farrah's reputation of having a nasty attitude.  If it was a Hadid party, they're friend with the Kardashians' right?  Their bread and butter is based on a sex tape.  

yes THANK you, Catelynn and Tyler have annoyed me for a while now w/their "my shit doesn't stink" attitude. 

 

In the behind-the-scenes special, they talked about how they "haven't forgotten where they came from" and all this bullshit and that's why they haven't moved, but honestly, i think the real reason they haven't moved somewhere better is because Catelynn is too intimidated by the world outside of the white trash world she's used to, where lots of girls are fat and ugly and so she's not surrounded by beautiful, hot girls and not mingling with the best. I think if it were up to Tyler, they woulda moved a long time ago. But as someone else said, Catelynn is his meal ticket and so he will ultimately do what she wants to do. But you can tell he yearns for more. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[SheTalksShit]

Oh, I have never read any book by any of these people on this show. What little info I know from their books comes from excerpts posted here. I had no idea Deb was working at a low-paying job. Then again, any new job wouldn't pay her top dollar.

 

Deb said she would pay Farrah back. If I had my mom in my life, and she wanted something to make her feel good, I'd pay for it in a heartbeat. My mom wouldn't have to ask to borrow money from me. She put up with my ass and attitude while I was rebellious teen, not to mention she worked hard with my dad to provide a loving home for us kids. If all Deb asks from Farrah is a face peel and some respect, I'd say Farrah should do it for her. 

How is Deb gonna pay her back? She's broke. I guess maybe with her Teen Mom paycheck (I'm sure MTV pays Deb something, not as much as they pay Farrah but I'm sure they pay her a decent salary). 

 

IDK, I just remember the first few seasons of Teen Mom and Farrah's original episode of 16&Pregnant (before Farrah's money started coming in because they don't get paid until the show airs), Debra wasn't so nice and supportive then. And Farrah wasn't bitchy to her mother then, either. 

 

Also, it was Farrah's parents who forced her to breakup w/Derek, who then died in the car accident, so I think Farrah sort of feels that she never got closure for that and blames them for it. Like she didn't choose to break up w/him, her parents made her, so she's angry at them for it. They took control away from her on 1 of the most essential decisions/elements of her life. 

 

It's only now that the tables have turned and Deb is alone and has to depend on Farrah that she's so nice to her. Others may have forgotten that, but I haven't. Maybe because my mother is similar to Debra, so I get it. Not saying Farrah is perfect, but I get it. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[GreatKazu]

Hmm...I watched a different show because I clearly remember Debra and Michael helping Farrah get a car. Deb allowed Farrah to live in her rental home at a reduced rental price. Didn't Farrah run to Michael asking for help after she was conned out her money in Craigslist? Farrah dumped her newborn on her parents as she went out night after night and stayed out until 4 in the morning. As for her parents forcing her to break up with Daddy Derek, that was Farrah's doing. According to one episode, Debra said Farrah told her Derek was cruel to her. What parent wouldn't worry about their child after being told that information? No, I have not forgotten the previous seasons. I remember what an asshole Farrah was and how ungrateful she was, and still is.

[SheTalksShit]

Hmm...I watched a different show because I clearly remember Debra and Michael helping Farrah get a car. Deb allowed Farrah to live in her rental home at a reduced rental price. Didn't Farrah run to Michael asking for help after she was conned out her money in Craigslist? Farrah dumped her newborn on her parents as she went out night after night and stayed out until 4 in the morning. As for her parents forcing her to break up with Daddy Derek, that was Farrah's doing. According to one episode, Debra said Farrah told her Derek was cruel to her. What parent wouldn't worry about their child after being told that information? No, I have not forgotten the previous seasons. I remember what an asshole Farrah was and how ungrateful she was, and still is.

No, Debra said she remembered that Derek was mean to her. Regardless of whether he was or wasn't (who knows, we weren't there and the dead can't speak) but them forcing them to breakup and her father trying to attack Derek w/a knife after he caught them hooking up in Farrah's room...I can see how she's angry they took that control away from her given he was the father of their child. It's 1 thing if it's just a boyfriend, but when he's the father of her child, you shouldn't forbid her to see him. That's wrong. 

 

And I recall Debra smacking Farrah when she was crying in the car. 

 

Debra and Michael weren't awful people, but they were controlling and over-bearing, especially Debra, and in a way that seriously compromised Farrah's ability to make decisions on a very critical aspect of her life (the father of her child). 

 

She also hit Farrah and then when Debra was arrested, she dropped the charges. So I think Farrah may not be nice to them in her words, but through actions, she has been pretty nice and generous w/them. 

[Maharincess]

Hmm...I watched a different show because I clearly remember Debra and Michael helping Farrah get a car. Deb allowed Farrah to live in her rental home at a reduced rental price. Didn't Farrah run to Michael asking for help after she was conned out her money in Craigslist? Farrah dumped her newborn on her parents as she went out night after night and stayed out until 4 in the morning. As for her parents forcing her to break up with Daddy Derek, that was Farrah's doing. According to one episode, Debra said Farrah told her Derek was cruel to her. What parent wouldn't worry about their child after being told that information? No, I have not forgotten the previous seasons. I remember what an asshole Farrah was and how ungrateful she was, and still is.

Yep!

See, I could buy that Farrah's attitude towards her parents has a reason behind it if she wasn't a raging asshole to EVERYBODY who has the misfortune of crossing paths with her.

She's a bitch and she's always been a bitch and she'll end up a lonely, miserable lone bird and nobody deserves it more.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Maharincess

[Tatum]

No, Debra said she remembered that Derek was mean to her. Regardless of whether he was or wasn't (who knows, we weren't there and the dead can't speak) but them forcing them to breakup and her father trying to attack Derek w/a knife after he caught them hooking up in Farrah's room...I can see how she's angry they took that control away from her given he was the father of their child. It's 1 thing if it's just a boyfriend, but when he's the father of her child, you shouldn't forbid her to see him. That's wrong.

And I recall Debra smacking Farrah when she was crying in the car.

Debra and Michael weren't awful people, but they were controlling and over-bearing, especially Debra, and in a way that seriously compromised Farrah's ability to make decisions on a very critical aspect of her life (the father of her child).

She also hit Farrah and then when Debra was arrested, she dropped the charges. So I think Farrah may not be nice to them in her words, but through actions, she has been pretty nice and generous w/them.

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In her 16 and pregnant episode, Farrah was far more interested in hooking up with Roberto her coworker than mourning her breakup with Derek. Derek wasn't retconned as Farrah's soulmate until Teen Mom.

Also, Farrah was at the time being financially supported by her parents and relying on them for daycare when she dropped the charges. It was to her own benefit to drop them.

[SheTalksShit]

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In her 16 and pregnant episode, Farrah was far more interested in hooking up with Roberto her coworker than mourning her breakup with Derek. Derek wasn't retconned as Farrah's soulmate until Teen Mom.

Also, Farrah was at the time being financially supported by her parents and relying on them for daycare when she dropped the charges. It was to her own benefit to drop them.

We don't know if he was dead by then or not. It wasn't mentioned on the episode but that doesn't mean she wasn't upset. Regardless of how she may have felt about him, the fact that she wasn't given that choice of what she wanted to do w/Derek is a hard pillow to swallow. It's one thing when the outcome is bad due to bad decisions you made when you had full control and every option on the table and you chose the wrong one - then you have no one to blame but yourself. But it's quite another when you're denied all the options available, including the one you wanted and things go wrong.

 

Everyone grieves differently, btw. things don't always hit people right away.

 

Maybe dropping the charges was to her benefit. But Debra was a controlling, overbearing bitch the first few seasons. Now that she's in a more vulnerable position, she's all nice. But she wasn't always. 

Edited January 15, 2016 by SheTalksShit

[Tatum]

We don't know if he was dead by then or not. It wasn't mentioned on the episode but that doesn't mean she wasn't upset. Regardless of how she may have felt about him, the fact that she wasn't given that choice of what she wanted to do w/Derek is a hard pillow to swallow. It's one thing when the outcome is bad due to bad decisions you made when you had full control and every option on the table and you chose the wrong one - then you have no one to blame but yourself. But it's quite another when you're denied all the options available, including the one you wanted and things go wrong.

Everyone grieves differently, btw. things don't always hit people right away.

Maybe dropping the charges was to her benefit. But Debra was a controlling, overbearing bitch the first few seasons. Now that she's in a more vulnerable position, she's all nice. But she wasn't always.

We actually do know. Derek and Farrah had a few phone/text conversations that made it on the show. Farrah was quite snippy with him and nothing suggested she was particularly sorry they were broken up.

Deb's a bitch, no doubt. But she also paid for all Sophia's expenses, watched Sophia while Farrah went out, took care of Sophia in the mornings while Farrah ignored her own baby crying because she was too tired to get up, etc, and Farrah was still snotty and ungrateful.

[qtpye]

also took offense to her "A Closer Look" comment that it would have been just as hard to have her first at 25 than as a teen. That is possibly because she has made insignificant advances in education or career since high school.

 

 

I also took offense to this.  It would not be any different for her because she has not made any progress in life, whatsoever.  This is a very dangerous message to send to young girls.  Most people have some accomplishments in the nine years between high school and young adulthood.

 

If you ask these girls, having a baby at 16 was the best decision of they ever made.  The have plenty of money and can live off being a third rate reality star for the rest of their lives (so they think).  It's like being a teen mom was their Power Ball lottery ticket.

[Tatum]

Hmm...I watched a different show because I clearly remember Debra and Michael helping Farrah get a car. Deb allowed Farrah to live in her rental home at a reduced rental price. Didn't Farrah run to Michael asking for help after she was conned out her money in Craigslist? Farrah dumped her newborn on her parents as she went out night after night and stayed out until 4 in the morning. As for her parents forcing her to break up with Daddy Derek, that was Farrah's doing. According to one episode, Debra said Farrah told her Derek was cruel to her. What parent wouldn't worry about their child after being told that information? No, I have not forgotten the previous seasons. I remember what an asshole Farrah was and how ungrateful she was, and still is.

 

Hell, Farrah told the viewers watching the show during 16 and Pregnant that Derek was creepy and controlling. This wasn't hearsay on Deb's part. And then, MTV helpfully aired the phone call between Derek and Farrah that made Derek sound straight out of After School Special Abusive Boyfriend.

 

If you ask me, Farrah got bored with Derek and was all too happy to give him the boot. Now, seven years later, when every guy has ran away from her screaming because she's such a bitch, she fondly remembers Derek because he was the only guy to put up with her shit.

[lezlers]

I don't have an issue with any parent going out of town for a weekend without their baby/children. So with that, you are not alone. 

 

I have not mentioned my point of view on Maci and going out of town so, I will post it now.  I take issue with Maci or any of these girls dropping off their kids on a whim to take off on a vacation from doing nothing in their lives. Since it was Maci who did this on the last episode, I will stick with her. Maci has taken off on plenty of vacations, spring breaks, going to Florida and going off to Texas to hang with girlfriends, going to amusement parks, out of town and out of state parties, not to mention her various college tours to give speeches about how hard it is to be a young mother *rolls eyes*. All of this has been documented over the seasons on the show and through linked articles on this board or the previous board. What young parent is able to just take off on a trip for the weekend or for a week without risking losing their job or falling behind in school? What young parent could just leave and have a blast in Vegas with the money they earned at their Check Into Cash job without any worries about having to pay their bills, rent, or mortgage? Without MTV would Maci be able to go on these jaunts or trips? No. If she really had to rely on herself and not on MTVs dime, her life would be vastly different. 

 

Oh, I totally agree with that.  That's really the show's fault, though.  They aren't portraying a remotely accurate picture of teenage pregnancy and it makes me crazy how they're constantly tooting their own horn about reducing the rates.  If anything, they're just making the whole concept attractive.  I can do all of those things you mentioned in your post, but I waited until my mid-thirties to get married and have children, after I went to law school and got a good job with lots of flex time. You know, like a responsible adult.  All these chicks did was win the reality tv lotto.  But if we're going to be really honest with ourselves, who here wouldn't take vacations if they were in their early twenties with children and their individual circumstances allowed them to do so?  If you say you wouldn't, I simply don't believe you.  Of course you would.  So I don't really blame Maci directly for it (not to mention the fact that she's home with a newborn, which is tired and stressful by itself.)  Now someone like Jenelle, who doesn't even HAVE her child full time yet still constantly takes vacations to get a "break" from parenting, is a fucking joke.  She's the one who really drives me crazy with her constant vacations. 

[SPLAIN]

To be fair to Maci, it was Taylor's friend who brought it up and encouraged him, until Taylor made it clear he did not want to discuss it. His friend actually annoyed me, when he said, "Trust me, Maci, as a guy, it sucks to be pressured into marriage," like wtf? he's the 1 who brought it up, and if I were Maci, I woulda said, "Well trust me, as a woman with 2 kids, whose bought a house w/my boyfriend and had a child w/him and still no ring and the whole world commenting on it, I feel differently." 

To be fair to Tyler's friend, Maci has gone all over talking about not being married and wishing Taylor would propose to her before that Vegas dinner. If she doesn't want someone to bring up such a personal topic, perhaps she should not go all over social  media and give interviews about pushing Taylor to marry her.  Was it a sucky move to have it brought up at the dinner? Sure. A better response from Maci would have been to say, "Let's enjoy our dinner. Thank you." What does Maci do? She engages in the conversation and uses it to remind Taylor, and the world, that her boyfriend has not made an honest woman out of her. She then throws out there how Taylor should leave her if he won't marry her. That went beyond what Taylor's friend brought up.

 

 

But if we're going to be really honest with ourselves, who here wouldn't take vacations if they were in their early twenties with children and their individual circumstances allowed them to do so?

My husband and I were not able to take any vacations early in our marriage because of work. Then, we had a baby. When we took our first vacation as parents, we took our child with us. We have never taken a vacation without any of our kids. Our kids make our vacations fun and a happy time. When I needed time away from my kids, they would go to a relative's house. I used that alone time to clean up my house from top to bottom. That is what I did with my time away from my kids. LOL  I just grind my teeth as I watch a young person, like Maci, who spouts the difficulties of motherhood and life overall as she is able to purchase a home without having anything to show for it such as a career or well-paying long-term job, she buys more new cars than any three people put together, she can put off her education and have a second baby all the while taking vacations and spending money with relative ease. Yes, that is MTV's doing, but  I don't want to hear woe is me stories from Maci as she has it made. 

 

Regarding Maci not missing her baby and dropping her off with ease at the daycare. I think she, like a lot of parents, including myself, were able to get over what I call the First Baby Blues. The first baby is where I was so damn protective, so damn worried about everything, I had a difficult time leaving my child with anyone for the longest time. I was so concerned about my first born. It took me a long time to go back to work.   By the time the second child came along, I went back to work early after cutting my maternity leave short and left our newborn with a family member with no problem. 

 

 

Maybe dropping the charges was to her benefit. But Debra was a controlling, overbearing bitch the first few seasons. Now that she's in a more vulnerable position, she's all nice. But she wasn't always.

You can google this information yourself. Deb pled guilty to a lesser charge. The charges were not dropped. There was also the scene where Farrah was being informed by the attorney handling the case how there was more to the story about what really went down between Debra and Farrah. I will believe an attorney who has access to more information than Farrah herself who has no credibility in my eyes. An attorney advising Farrah there is more to the story as she sits there and doesn't refute what he is saying, tells me Farrah was no innocent in that assault matter. 

 

 

And I recall Debra smacking Farrah when she was crying in the car. 

 

No, that did not happen. Watch that episode again. People tend to get this particular scene wrong. Deb slapped Farrah's shoulder. It was NOT a slap to her face. Mind you, if I was ever talked to by any of my children in that way, I would have slammed on my breaks and told my child "That new car I was going to buy you, you can kiss that shit goodbye." 

 

 

If Debra was such a volatile and abusive person to Farrah, why was Farrah still living with her along with Sophia up until 2013?  Farrah can't cry foul about what a bitch and abusive parent Debra supposedly was to her growing up, all the while living with her. That constitutes Debra supporting her with a roof over her head and no doubt supporting her in other ways during that time and continues to have Debra in her life and Sophia's life:  http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/farrah-abrahams-mom-debra-danielson-ends-their-feud-in-emotional-letter--2013304

 

 

No, Debra said she remembered that Derek was mean to her. Regardless of whether he was or wasn't (who knows, we weren't there and the dead can't speak)

There were at least two other references to Derek being abusive. I know there was mention of a restraining order.  When Debra mentioned Derek being mean to her daughter, Farrah was right there sitting next to Debra as they sat in a therapist's office. Not once did Farrah deny or contradict her mother's story to the therapist. If Debra was lying or was stretching the truth about what she believed she was told by Farrah, there is no way Farrah would have sat there and let that go by. That told me that Farrah had in fact told her mother some accusations about Derek. Whether they were true or not, we will never know. If Farrah lied to her parents about Derek being abusive, then it is very likely she is also lying about her parents being abusive, a claim that Farrah has made on more than one occasion. 

 

Frankly, Farrah will say pretty much anything and lie her way out of any situation and paint people in a bad light in order to make herself sympathetic and looked upon as such a wonderful person. I will never believe she was tricked into doing porn. That lie is as egregious as the lie about how she was not drunk driving. 

 

One thing that makes the relationship a bit different between Debra and Farrah now is, Debra went to anger management and she attended therapy. What has Farrah done to change her shitty attitude? That attitude that she not only gives to her mother, but gives to everyone who dares to be within ten feet of her. It has happened to fast food workers, restaurant workers, cell phone store employees, she has mocked people with disabilities, the list goes on.  It might be one thing if she treated only her mother this way, but it goes far beyond what is considered animosity towards a parent. At some point, Farrah needs to own up for her actions and behavior. It can't always be pinned on this supposed past relationship she had with her parents. That shit gets old. The world doesn't give a rat's ass how you feel about your mother as you treat others like shit.  

Edited January 15, 2016 by SPLAIN

[ghoulina]

To be fair to Maci, it was Taylor's friend who brought it up and encouraged him, until Taylor made it clear he did not want to discuss it. His friend actually annoyed me, when he said, "Trust me, Maci, as a guy, it sucks to be pressured into marriage," like wtf? he's the 1 who brought it up, and if I were Maci, I woulda said, "Well trust me, as a woman with 2 kids, whose bought a house w/my boyfriend and had a child w/him and still no ring and the whole world commenting on it, I feel differently."

 

It's true that Maci did not bring the topic up. But her reaction to it is what killed the mood, IMO. Initially, it seemed like the guys were joshing each other about having babies and proposing. It was lighthearted and fun. Maci could have made her own little quip and changed the subject. Instead she got all sullen, made comments about ending things, and shot hate daggers at Taylor with her eyes. 

 

And, honestly, just because Taylor impregnated Maci and bought a house with her, that doesn't mean he owes her a marriage. If marriage was THAT important to her, she might have made sure that happened before getting knocked up and signing the mortgage papers. They really strike me as two people who were not on the same page and likely never discussed these things, not seriously. 

 

No, Debra said she remembered that Derek was mean to her. Regardless of whether he was or wasn't (who knows, we weren't there and the dead can't speak) but them forcing them to breakup and her father trying to attack Derek w/a knife after he caught them hooking up in Farrah's room...I can see how she's angry they took that control away from her given he was the father of their child. It's 1 thing if it's just a boyfriend, but when he's the father of her child, you shouldn't forbid her to see him. That's wrong.

 

I always felt like Farrah was playing both sides a bit. Telling her parents bad things about Derek, and likely doing the same with him. My memory isn't great, but I remember her being very in control of how her relationship ended, and happy about it. I think it was only after he died, actually quite a bit later, when she started to paint the portrait of star crossed lovers who were split up by her cruel parents. 

 

See, I could buy that Farrah's attitude towards her parents has a reason behind it if she wasn't a raging asshole to EVERYBODY who has the misfortune of crossing paths with her.

She's a bitch and she's always been a bitch and she'll end up a lonely, miserable lone bird and nobody deserves it more.

 

Exactly. She is nasty to EVERYONE! It's not just her parents. She's rude to the guys she dates. She's rude to poor, random guys her mother sets her up with. She's rude to the producers, who are essentially the reason she has everything she has, and always seem to try and kiss her ass. She is just a vile, nasty person. Period. 

[leighroda]

I get Farrah. Call me crazy, but I do. Maybe because I've followed her story pretty closely from the beginning or maybe because I can just sense certain things, but I get her. I believe the reason she's in denial about being excluded from the party because she did porn is because she was tricked into doing it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3346545/He-drugged-abused-raped-Farrah-Abraham-claims-traumatized-porn-star-James-Deen-forced-undergo-intensive-therapy.html

IDK why but I believe her, I believe that's what happened. I think once it became clear the tape was going to be released, she decided, "OK, well then I might as well make money off it." So she did. But I think she wishes it didn't happen and she feels she was tricked, that she didn't initially agree to do a porn, so it's hard for her to accept/drives her crazy that something she didn't even initially choose to do is the reason she's now being excluded from a party and looked at a certain way.

Say what you will about the girl, she's been through a lot.

To be honest I think that whole article is BS. The dailymail isn't a hugely reputable source.

Immediately after the "sex tape" was released James Deen came out and said that he was told to pretend to be Farrah's boyfriend, and produced the emails related to the matter. To me, she claims to be so traumatized by the release of the tape, how porn isn't something she would do, yet she is the one who capitalized on the porn after it was released, with her sex toy line, and to this day appearing at porn conventions... I'm sorry but to me that doesn't really scream victim, but that's just my opinion. All of this has been hashed out on Farrah's thread, I actually kinda forgot I was in the episode thread so I'm not going to say anymore here.

I have no extreme feelings about Maci, I don't love or hate her, and it's hard to say with the trips if they are for the show or her idea, I want to be annoyed at the marriage talk but I guess that is really her only story line other than fighting with Ryan over custody.

This is off topic, but am I the only one who sometimes confuses SPLAIN and Maharincess I think it's the Lucille ball pictures that throws me off.

Edited January 15, 2016 by leighroda

[Maharincess]

This is off topic, but am I the only one who sometimes confuses SPLAIN and Maharincess I think it's the Lucille ball pictures that throws me off.

Lol, I'm always afraid that people will think we're the same person because I like and agree with just about everything SPLAIN says.

[Snarky McSnarky]

MTV has predictably jumped on Debra's "Farrah has Changed the World" bandwagon. No wonder their cast of characters have such swollen heads about their participation in the series.

http://www.mtv.com/news/2689469/teen-mom-changed-the-world

Edited January 15, 2016 by Bella Roche

[Snarky McSnarky]

In other MTV News, the UK is getting their very own version of Teen Mom soon. They are currently casting...but shouldn't it be called Teen Mum?

http://www.digitalspy.com/tv/reality-tv/news/a780009/teen-mom-uk-is-hitting-mtv-uk-this-year-and-you-could-be-on-it

Edited January 15, 2016 by Bella Roche

[leighroda]

In other MTV News, the UK is getting their very own version of Teen Mom soon. They are currently casting, and it appears they are going to forego the pregnancy stories and go straight to the mom stuff.

http://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/mtv-uk-teen-mom-87593

I saw that this morning, I want to roll my eyes, but I actually am moderately curious what it would be like to be a teen mom in another country. I know UK isn't hugely different from the US, but I would like to see if there are any cultural differences.

Maharincess, it's funny, I usually agree with both of you (SPLAIN), and on the off chance I don't, I can see where you are coming from and appreciate your opinion. I know y'all are 2 different people but I don't always know which one is which as far as details go, like on the Leah thread one of you said you have a chronic pain problem, but off the top of my head I'm not sure which one. I do believe you are 2 separate people but, it would be funny if you were one person with 2 accounts that always agrees with themself... Lol. I love Lucy is a little ahead of my time, but I used to watch it when I was little, I know where "SPLAIN" comes from but I don't think I know the Maharincess reference.

Edited January 15, 2016 by leighroda

[lezlers]

My husband and I were not able to take any vacations early in our marriage because of work. Then, we had a baby. When we took our first vacation as parents, we took our child with us. We have never taken a vacation without any of our kids. Our kids make our vacations fun and a happy time. When I needed time away from my kids, they would go to a relative's house. I used that alone time to clean up my house from top to bottom. That is what I did with my time away from my kids. LOL  I just grind my teeth as I watch a young person, like Maci, who spouts the difficulties of motherhood and life overall as she is able to purchase a home without having anything to show for it such as a career or well-paying long-term job, she buys more new cars than any three people put together, she can put off her education and have a second baby all the while taking vacations and spending money with relative ease. Yes, that is MTV's doing, but  I don't want to hear woe is me stories from Maci as she has it made. 

 

Frankly, Farrah will say pretty much anything and lie her way out of any situation and paint people in a bad light in order to make herself sympathetic and looked upon as such a wonderful person. I will never believe she was tricked into doing porn. That lie is as egregious as the lie about how she was not drunk driving. 

 

One thing that makes the relationship a bit different between Debra and Farrah now is, Debra went to anger management and she attended therapy. What has Farrah done to change her shitty attitude? That attitude that she not only gives to her mother, but gives to everyone who dares to be within ten feet of her. It has happened to fast food workers, restaurant workers, cell phone store employees, she has mocked people with disabilities, the list goes on.  It might be one thing if she treated only her mother this way, but it goes far beyond what is considered animosity towards a parent. At some point, Farrah needs to own up for her actions and behavior. It can't always be pinned on this supposed past relationship she had with her parents. That shit gets old. The world doesn't give a rat's ass how you feel about your mother as you treat others like shit.

Different strokes. My husband and I go away without our kids at least once a year. We love our kids dearly but we love our alone time too.

Co-sign EVERYTHING you said about Farrah and Deborah. Farrah is just a terrible person.

[MargeGunderson]

This is off topic, but am I the only one who sometimes confuses SPLAIN and Maharincess I think it's the Lucille ball pictures that throws me off.

You are not alone! I have to double check.

Topic: I don't believe a word out of Farrah's nasty, hateful mouth. Not even if Jesus himself co-signed.

[Tatum]

Omg I just got the Splain and Lucy connection. And I'm pretty sure I have about 10 years on you, Leigh. Doh.

[Maharincess]

Leighroda, Lucy once pretended to be the Maharincess of Franistan as a publicity stunt for Ricky.

And I'm the one with the chronic pain.

Edited January 15, 2016 by Maharincess

[Pdxblonde]

My husband and I go away alone about once a year, too, but our kids are teenagers and would rather hang out with their grandparents (lake nearby, huge in-ground pool, spoiled rotten) then go on vacation with us all the time. Win- Win!

[leighroda]

Leighroda, Lucy once pretended to be the Maharincess of Franistan as a publicity stunt for Ricky.

And I'm the one with the chronic pain.

Now that you mention it that sounds vaguely familiar about Lucy. I was pretty sure you were the one in chronic pain (bless your heart) but I wasn't positive.

Omg I just got the Splain and Lucy connection. And I'm pretty sure I have about 10 years on you, Leigh. Doh.

I'm older than I may seem, lol I'm in my early 30's, I think she may have mentioned it at some point, I don't remember if I had made the connection myself or not.

[mittsigirl]

I am so sorry for your loss and I am sure you are a beautiful person.

 

My husband actually likes me with some meat on my bones.  I was very skinny when we got married (sort of like Maci) and he loved the weight I gained after I had my two children.  I have lost some of that weight, but am not near as thin a I used to be, but I am happy to be healthy.

 

I think Tyler is not put off by Cate's body,  I think he is just over her as a person and even if she dropped a ton of weight, that would not change.  He understands that they are the high school sweat hearts of Teen Mom and breaking up with her will cost him money and fame.  So, he will stay married to her, even if his heart is not really into it.

Thanks qtpye, I agree that to be healthy and weigh a reasonable amount amount should be all that mattered, but some men can never be happy with the woman who married him, and gave him children.

I do not buy that Tyler has never seen a naked girl other than Catelynn. I guess they could have meant in real life, I guess that might be true, but I don't buy for one second that he hasn't looked at porn whether by Internet or magazine... In fact I'm willing to bet money he has seen Farrah's porn.

I wonder if the fact that MTV and Bravo are competing networks had any bearing on the whole white party thing... I'm sure the porn or being on teen mom likely didn't help, but I can see that potentially there was an issue that bravo didn't want MTV filming, and God forbid Farrah be denied her own entourage. But I have a question, I saw the episode but was multitasking so this may have been explained, but wasn't Farrah going to be the guest of someone else who was invited to the party? Then uninvited by the same person? Emily Post must be rolling in her grave that not only was Farrah explicitly uninvited but went to the party anyway, but then she brought her mom and a camera crew.

I am also an avid dr. Pepper drinker :) it is basically the biggest show of affection I am capable of if I tell someone "I love you more than dr.pepper". This is so off topic, but does anyone else have this issue... I'm from Texas where dr. Pepper flows freely, but I currently live in Florida where it is not quite so common... I absolutely hate when I go to a resturaunt and ask for Dr Pepper, and they say "no, we don't have Dr Pepper... But we do have root beer" they are NOT the same!!!!

There was a long time before Dr. Pepper was available where I live, it is my favorite pop. Recently I read that drinking carbonated drinks cause fat cells in our stomachs to expand!

Why can't it do something great, like eat up our fat cells? Nope, has to make the suckers even bigger!

[GreatKazu]

I agree with the opinions about Maci and her vacations. Look, the fourth wall has been broken down. Maci and company should just come right out and say what is an MTV sponsored trip or if she paid for it from her recent MTV pay check. Let's just get real here, people. Stop with this nonsense about MTV changing the world with the drop in teen pregnancy rates. Just come out and mention the earnings and drop the BS.

Does Taylor even work? Maci can shut the hell up about how difficult she has it. That is the shit that gets under my skin with her. No, she doesn't have it hard .She has it made. Her acting as if life is difficult with a second baby. Bitch please. She can go out of town and have fun drinking it up in Las Vegas because she has MTV money to fall back on. Some people have to put in a request for time off, vacation time, plan it in advance, while an employer has to figure out who will be available to cover certain shifts. It must be nice to just dump off the kids at the grandparents' house and take off with friends for days.

I'm older than I may seem, lol I'm in my early 30's,

Girl, you are young!! lol I miss my 30s. I don't get confused with SPLAIN or Maharincess. I know Maharincess has the health issues. I also love her rants about her not needing a marriage license. Not to mention we PM each other on occasion. :-) The two people I used to get confused with are Aleeah and Ali. Damn names. LOL Edited January 16, 2016 by GreatKazu

[Tatum]

Now that you mention it that sounds vaguely familiar about Lucy. I was pretty sure you were the one in chronic pain (bless your heart) but I wasn't positive.

I'm older than I may seem, lol I'm in my early 30's, I think she may have mentioned it at some point, I don't remember if I had made the connection myself or not.

You know, I must have been thinking of truelovekiss. She's in her early 20s I think. I'm early 30s too.

[mittsigirl]

If I did not want to make a sex tape, then I would not be where the sex tape was going to be taped, I would not have a guy with me, I would not remove my clothing, and I would not assume the position of having sex at either my front or my back door. No one could make me do what I did not want to do, or if he did it against my wishes, then he would end up living in jail.

[MaddyMaeboxerbabe]

Hey kazu I was wondering about Taylor's employment status too. What I read is that he is a clothing designer?? Hmm.

Also the first day of school morning maci emphasized that they both had to work so they needed to get up early to get bentley to school. What did they do with bentley during the summer? And they drove together...i have my doubts that either really work. I think the social media job for the check cashing place is very PT at best. But I am old and cynical :)

[guilfoyleatpp]

That story about Farrah is terrible. I am not one to disbelieve sexual assault allegations. It's terrible what James Deen has done to, apparently, many women.

What I'm trying to process is how I might justify that I should make money off a tape where I was raped. It seems like the logical action there would be to slap a civil case against JD the moment after it happened. Or at any point prior to release. I'm not Farrah and I'm don't represent every woman who has had a sexual assault filmed but I'd rather go down fighting than make money off a tape that shows a crime being committed against me. I can't fathom it.

[Maharincess]

Thanks qtpye, I agree that to be healthy and weigh a reasonable amount amount should be all that mattered, but some men can never be happy with the woman who married him, and gave him children.

There was a long time before Dr. Pepper was available where I live, it is my favorite pop. Recently I read that drinking carbonated drinks cause fat cells in our stomachs to expand!

Why can't it do something great, like eat up our fat cells? Nope, has to make the suckers even bigger!

I seriously think I'm addicted to Dr. Pepper, I have it running through my veins. I'm under Drs orders to gain at least 20 pounds by June so to me, that means drink more Dr. Pepper.

I found a sale on 20 packs and bought 5 of them.

I really think Farrah made that "sex tape" thinking she would be the next Kim Kartrashian. She probably thought it would turn into her own show like the idiot K family has.

Edited January 16, 2016 by Maharincess

[shelley1234]

I do of course thinks she loves and cares for her baby. What stands out to me though is that she would go into hysterics at the mere thought of sending 3 year old Bentley to preschool/daycare but she dropped infant Jayde off without a care. It just seemed kind of odd to me.

 

Me?  I think that's normal.  I see a lot of moms....whether they are young moms or not...who are so crazy overprotective of their first child, but relax incredibly as they have more children.  It's that stereotype that the new mom of her first baby does background checks on anyone who even looks at her child and by the time they get to the 3rd or 4th they will leave their child with anyone with open arms.  It seems pretty gosh darn normal to me.  

 

I also think that whether Maci's job is anything to write home about, at least she has one.  Most of the teen moms on all the different versions, very few if any have a job to speak of.  They collect their Teen Mom checks and sit on their asses.  Maci seems to have found a job that is probably pretty easy for her and is also probably pretty flexible when she needs to do things for Teen Mom or she can book a lucrative speaking engagement.  I give her props for that.  

 

Of all the Teen Moms and their pretty disgusting behavior, Maci gets a pass from me.  Heck, I wouldn't want to date her with her constant whine about everything, but all and all...I think she's a pretty good mom.

[Elizabeth9]

To be fair to Maci, it was Taylor's friend who brought it up and encouraged him, until Taylor made it clear he did not want to discuss it. His friend actually annoyed me, when he said, "Trust me, Maci, as a guy, it sucks to be pressured into marriage," like wtf? he's the 1 who brought it up, and if I were Maci, I woulda said, "Well trust me, as a woman with 2 kids, whose bought a house w/my boyfriend and had a child w/him and still no ring and the whole world commenting on it, I feel differently."

yes THANK you, Catelynn and Tyler have annoyed me for a while now w/their "my shit doesn't stink" attitude.

In the behind-the-scenes special, they talked about how they "haven't forgotten where they came from" and all this bullshit and that's why they haven't moved, but honestly, i think the real reason they haven't moved somewhere better is because Catelynn is too intimidated by the world outside of the white trash world she's used to, where lots of girls are fat and ugly and so she's not surrounded by beautiful, hot girls and not mingling with the best. I think if it were up to Tyler, they woulda moved a long time ago. But as someone else said, Catelynn is his meal ticket and so he will ultimately do what she wants to do. But you can tell he yearns for more.

Wow...I always wondered what kind of people actually believe Farrah's lies, and now I know. Judgemental much?

[lezlers]

Not to be contrary, but Dr. Pepper is gross.  Ya'll be trippin'.  Diet Pepsi is where it's at.  (ducks and runs)

[leighroda]

That story about Farrah is terrible. I am not one to disbelieve sexual assault allegations. It's terrible what James Deen has done to, apparently, many women.

What I'm trying to process is how I might justify that I should make money off a tape where I was raped. It seems like the logical action there would be to slap a civil case against JD the moment after it happened. Or at any point prior to release. I'm not Farrah and I'm don't represent every woman who has had a sexual assault filmed but I'd rather go down fighting than make money off a tape that shows a crime being committed against me. I can't fathom it.

I moved my reply to the Farrah thread since it isn't necessarily based on anything from this episode.

[ginger90]

So Amber only sleeps til 10 or so when Leah is there. Well, if Leah wakes at 8am that 2 hours can seem like forever to her. Especially because it's Matt that "does everything for her". Blech. Instead of blaming Gary, perhaps Amber should look at herself and Matt. Creepy,  creepy man.

[guilfoyleatpp]

So Amber only sleeps til 10 or so when Leah is there. Well, if Leah wakes at 8am that 2 hours can seem like forever to her. Especially because it's Matt that "does everything for her". Blech. Instead of blaming Gary, perhaps Amber should look at herself and Matt. Creepy,  creepy man.

I hear so many women talk about not being able to sleep in after they have kids. And for me...totally true. I can't think of the last time I slept until 10:30. 

But Amber is such an AH-MAZE-ING mom. She is allowed to get more sleep than the rest of us mere mortals.

 

She is friggin delusional though if she thinks that she's gonna get 50/50 custody and maintain that schedule. There's a little thing called school that typically requires your child be dressed and out of the house well before 10. Unless she gets creepy Matt to do that part for her.

[FairyDusted]

Please! Most Moms can hear a child cough through two doors and a story away. Even now as a grandmother I wake up whenever another person thinks about rolling over. 

[lilmarysunshine]

I hear so many women talk about not being able to sleep in after they have kids. And for me...totally true. I can't think of the last time I slept until 10:30. 

But Amber is such an AH-MAZE-ING mom. She is allowed to get more sleep than the rest of us mere mortals.

 

She is friggin delusional though if she thinks that she's gonna get 50/50 custody and maintain that schedule. There's a little thing called school that typically requires your child be dressed and out of the house well before 10. Unless she gets creepy Matt to do that part for her.

I am a night owl and so is my husband. He used to work later hours so when our first-born was a baby, we kept odd hours. If she went to bed at 7 pm every night, my husband would never see her. So we would go to bed later and get up later. (That's one reason why I don't judge when I see toddlers at Walmart at 9 pm.)

 

But....once even Mother's Day Out started, those days were over. Then we did HAVE to be somewhere and we couldn't do that anymore. And my days of sleeping later ended for a long, long time until my kids were much older. (My younger two never got to do that because we had to be up with the oldest.)  I can honestly say I have never personally known any mother who sleeps like that. Actually, I don't know that I know anyone in their mid-20s who sleeps like that because most of them have a JOB and if they do sleep late, it is because they work late hours. It is probably difficult for these people to get jobs in their small towns with their notoriety but Corey does it. Jeremy's done it. Chelsea does it.   A job would be good for Amber and not one of these "I'm too good to work at ___________________" jobs. But a real job like most of us have.

[truelovekiss]

Totally agree Splain. And further, Jayde is all of 6 weeks old. She said to Taylor "how long has it been since we've been able to leave with NO KIDS?" Well, aside from the mud run they showed on the last episode, I'd guess it's been about 6.5 weeks.

I also took offense to her "A Closer Look" comment that it would have been just as hard to have her first at 25 than as a teen. That is possibly because she has made insignificant advances in education or career since high school.

That comment made no sense. Having your first baby is always scary, no matter what age you are. Having the second baby is generally easier, because you've done it before. So if she had never had Bentley, and Jayde (it pains me to keep that y in there) was her only child, obviously learning to parents her would be hard. However, she is older, has a house, graduated high school, allegedly has an associate's degree, etc.

[truelovekiss]

You know, I must have been thinking of truelovekiss. She's in her early 20s I think. I'm early 30s too.

I am indeed :) Same age as the TM2 girls.