S03.E04: Honeymoons

[seasick]

Catch me up here--  What is a "hipster?"  Also, while I'm asking  what does YMMV mean?  ( I figured out all the other Abbrev's but that one stumps me.)  thnks    

[ClareWalks]

Catch me up here--  What is a "hipster?"  Also, while I'm asking  what does YMMV mean?  ( I figured out all the other Abbrev's but that one stumps me.)  thnks    

 

If you have not found out what a hipster is by now, consider yourself extremely lucky and don't even ask ;) YMMV = your mileage may vary.

[seasick]

Is it someone who is sarcastic and condescending??        

 

No I don't know  "by now".. I'm guessing someone who is a cross between a modern day hippie and a beatnick.  I'm sure I can handle the description even if I'm late to know.   

 

I would be appreciative of a sincere response and description. Thanks

[ClareWalks]

Um, okay, sorry, I was joking along the lines of those people who have never heard of the Kardashians and want to know who they are, it's like "you don't really want to know, haha." But okay, a hipster is someone who is basically too cool for school, they dress ironically and wear things that are "cool because they aren't cool," and are really into liking things that not a lot of people know about (ie "I liked Modest Mouse before everyone else started liking Modest Mouse."). Male hipsters tend to have facial hair, glasses, fedoras and t-shirts with bands you haven't heard of on them.

[Kareem]

They tend to shun mainstream norms, Seasick.

[Soup333]

Seasick, I'm not sure that Neil has described himself as a hipster or that's a designation he's been given by social media (I'm also not sure that hipsters claim to be hipsters). I think Sam is strange and quirky, but I'm not sure if she falls into a type (other than bitchy).

[ClareWalks]

Seasick, I'm not sure that Neil has described himself as a hipster or that's a designation he's been given by social media (I'm also not sure that hipsters claim to be hipsters). 

 

Yeah, all the hipsters I've ever known have never identified as such, because that would mean they are similar to other people, which they simply do not abide ;) "I am a unique butterfly!" they exclaim as they all buy the same shortsleeve button-down at H&M. I don't think Neil has referred to himself as a hipster and I'm not sure if he qualifies, but he has much in common with the outward appearance of one.

Edited December 25, 2015 by ClareWalks

[seasick]

Thank you guys!    ..I'm getting the picture now. 

[molshoop]

This is the first sentence of the definition of Hipsters from the Urban Dictionary:

Hipsters are a subculture of men and women typically in their 20's and 30's that value independent thinking, counter-culture, progressive politics, an appreciation of art and indie-rock, creativity, intelligence, and witty banter.

 

It goes on for several more paragraphs.   I don't find any of those qualities unappealing (just the Indie-rock, but I don't like much of any current music).

 

I don't think Neil acts like he is too cool. But then next to Sam almost anyone would seem cool. 

[jamblastx]

I am beginning to the think that the producers are holding Ashley's family hostage and she is doing the show under duress...because I cannot for the life of me, figure out why she would want to do this show.  Yes, most of us have done some sort of 'rebounding' (just check out any dating site, they should literally be called rebound.com) which is never fair to the other person, however don't get married....in an arranged marriage...for 'reality' television!

[humbleopinion]

Ashley is a curious case of extremes...

Decade long bf, no marriage.

Married a stranger.

Whatever motivation she mustered up to audition and go through "the process" she need to conjure that mojo back up to make good TV.

Or we will wither and die of boredom...

[ketose]

I'd love to write about hipsters, but this would become the hipster definition thread.

 

As for "rating" the brides on the show, I find Sam most attractive, mostly based on the first episode. That kind of worries me because I may just be into crazy chicks. Personality wise, she's pretty bad.

[tvehemently]

Since you're doing the whole "rating" thing... Why not use a scale that's a bit more clear. How about a "nope, never" to "panty-dropper" scale? Responders can come up with the values in between.

Seriously, do you want guys rating the women on the show like this? I personally don't have an issue with it but I suspect some might have something to say about whether or not it would be appropriate if you were talking about the women like that.

Myself, I wouldn't just because after meeting my wife I realized there is no scale that can measure true attractiveness.

[ClareWalks]

Since you're doing the whole "rating" thing... Why not use a scale that's a bit more clear. How about a "nope, never" to "panty-dropper" scale? Responders can come up with the values in between.

Seriously, do you want guys rating the women on the show like this? I personally don't have an issue with it but I suspect some might have something to say about whether or not it would be appropriate if you were talking about the women like that.

Myself, I wouldn't just because after meeting my wife I realized there is no scale that can measure true attractiveness.

 

A male poster asked us to rate the guys 1-10 because he was curious. This is hardly a man-bashing situation. But I would be happy to rate the attractiveness of the women too! 

 

Vanessa - 8.5. Ashley - 7.5. Sam - 6. If we are factoring in personality, I will give Sam a generous 1.

[moonxyz]

Vanessa: 7.5-8. her smile and teeth give her major. I personally rate these feature really high in attractiveness. She is also the most normal girl there, in comparison to the two other trolls. A bit uptight but I think she's acting up for the camera. If I was a guy, I would do her.

 

Sam: 6. She's not a conventional beauty but something about her is attractive. I get her annoyance with Neil but she should be angry at the experts instead who clearly did not match her to someone she wanted but to someone they believes she "needed". She is way too brash and kind of a bully. I know a few people like Sam IRL, they sense weakness and attack accordingly. You just have to tell them to shut the fuck up once and they're good. If I were a guy I would bang her, rumor has it that crazy girls are good in bed???

 

Ashley: 1.5. She is by far the one of the worst female candidates ever, up there with Jamie. No redeeming qualities. I don't find her that attractive but her attitude takes away from any physical charm she may have. I knew that as soon as she pulled the horrified by the male strippers BS that she was going to be a stuck up fake bitch. At least with Sam there's this undeniable earnestness that is kind of endearing, and with the proper guidance (people putting her in her place), could be a better human being. I don't see that miracle for Ashley. If I was a guy, I wouldn't bang. She probably knows missionary only and wouldn't want to give head.

[Jack Sampson]

How do you rate the women?

Based purely on looks from video (none of the shopped wedding photos)

Ashley - 4.75 (Unattractive and already aging poorly)

Sam - 5 (Aging slightly better but chubby)

Vanessa - 6.5 (Was higher until I saw her cry-face and with no makeup, chubby, but amazing boobs)

[Kareem]

Based purely on looks from video (none of the shopped wedding photos)

Ashley - 4.75 (Unattractive and already aging poorly)

Sam - 5 (Aging slightly better but chubby)

Vanessa - 6.5 (Was higher until I saw her cry-face and with no makeup, chubby, but amazing boobs)

Fascinating... ;)

[Neurochick]

I'd be interested in hearing women's take on the men. Rate them 1-10.

As of this moment:

David  - 8

Tres  - 6

Neil - 4

 

But that's all subject to change as their personalities come to the forefront.  

Seriously, do you want guys rating the women on the show like this? I personally don't have an issue with it but I suspect some might have something to say about whether or not it would be appropriate if you were talking about the women like that.

 

  

 

 

I don't think it's the same really.  Historically, women have been judged based on looks, while men have been judged on accomplishments.  For someone to label a woman as unattractive, even to this day, to some women mean they have less currency than a more attractive woman.   An unattractive man can be very successful and marry a very attractive woman, it's harder the other way around.  If attractiveness didn't matter, then the beauty industry wouldn't exist.  

Edited December 26, 2015 by Neurochick

[princelina]

I think that if they are marrying at first sight, they should do more to ensure that the women find the men attractive at first sight, otherwise the whole process can slow down too much or even get derailed completely.  If the women were in real world conditions they would have no pressure and all the time in the world to warm up to a guy they didn't find initially attractive, but on this show that's not the case.  They don't have an unlimited amount of time to warm up to each other - They only have 6 weeks.  Under those kinds of time constraints a woman can feel too much pressure to just "let nature take its course" and give a guy a chance and it can actually backfire the entire relationship.  I think that before the experts match the couples they should do stuff like show women photos of say 15 possible men on one sheet and ask them to pick out the men they found attractive and which they did not find attractive.  If any of the guys the experts are seriously considering for them falls into the "not attractive" pile they shouldn't match them with the woman, period.  I realize they may be working with a smaller pool of men but in future seasons I think they should expand their search if they want this show to succeed.  I don't think they should compromise on other compatibility factors just for physical attraction.

 

It's obvious that Vanessa just happened to find Tres attractive at first sight and so far things seem to be moving along nicely with them.  So I do think making more of an effort to make sure the women find the men attractive at first sight would do a lot to get things off to a faster and perhaps better start.  Women are more difficult and complicated to satisfy, yes, I'll cop to that, but if the show wants to do that it needs to step up to the plate and learn how to make it happen.  Just my humble opinion!

Agreed!  (although Davina found Sean attractive at first sight :)

 

My problem is with the women this season - just deciding right off the bat that they are not attracted to the guy so THAT'S IT.  To be honest I've felt that way when dating, so I get it, but if I were to go on this show I would realize that I needed a different attitude.  It's not as if the guys are all licking their lips and rubbing their sweaty palms together whilst making "when I get you in the sack" innuendos - they all seem respectful of the women's need to get to know them; these ladies just need to relax and have fun and TRY to get to know them.  In Sam's case that seems to mean being as rude and insulting as possible, so maybe she is trying in her own way, but Ashley's just a weirdo.  Right after they were married, when they went off to have their little champagne toast by themselves, David kept trying to make conversation and she just stared at him like he was an animal in the zoo.  Same deal on the car trip.  Even saying something like, "I'm nervous - I don't know what to say" makes it sound like you are trying.  I just don't know why, once it's clear that sex is off the table for the time being, they can't just go enjoy a few fun activities and have some laughs.  At least Jaclyn and even Jamie were able to do that.

Edited December 26, 2015 by princelina

[Rachel7469]

David 6.5

Tres 6

Neil. 5

[Almost 3000]

Based purely on looks from video (none of the shopped wedding photos)

Ashley - 4.75 (Unattractive and already aging poorly)

Sam - 5 (Aging slightly better but chubby)

Vanessa - 6.5 (Was higher until I saw her cry-face and with no makeup, chubby, but amazing boobs)

Re Sam being chubby, I was a bit surprised that her arms and core didn't appear more in shape because there's a piece of video showing her working out with silks that I thought were a skill that would require strength and some muscle.

Edited December 26, 2015 by Almost 3000

[RedheadZombie]

I am beginning to the think that the producers are holding Ashley's family hostage and she is doing the show under duress...because I cannot for the life of me, figure out why she would want to do this show.  Yes, most of us have done some sort of 'rebounding' (just check out any dating site, they should literally be called rebound.com) which is never fair to the other person, however don't get married....in an arranged marriage...for 'reality' television!

You know I'm an introvert like Ashley and understand that we re-charge by being alone, or in a calmer environment. I also know what it's like to basically shut down when you're overwhelmed and/or over stimulated. I just don't understand why Ashley would choose this time in her life to do something risky when she's obviously extremely risk adverse. She recently ended a long-term relationship, completed her masters, briefly worked in that career, and is now going back to school for a career change. I don't see how even an adrenaline junky who flies by the seat of their pants would think it's a good idea to do this "social experiment". It makes me wonder how much money they make off of the show and if she's using it to fund her schooling.

[Snarklepuss]

I thought that when we were asked to rate the men it was our take on them in general, not just based on physical characteristics.  Jack didn't specify that we were supposed to only factor in physical attractiveness.  Perhaps that was assumed by some here but I can see that others did not.  As a woman, I find it hard to separate a man's physical attractiveness from his personality when I know a little bit about both.  And having already seen some of these guys' personalities, I rated them on what I've seen of that too.  I also included a rating for physical attractiveness only, and that number was different than the "in general" number for all of them.

[moonxyz]

Sam seems much more level headed in this clip. I wish they would have shown more of this on the show. 

[BonnieLass]

Like Moonxyz, I wish they would have shown this side of Sam on the show. It would certainly reduce the amount of hate she seems to be getting on social media. Perhaps we'll get some version of this clip on the next episode.

 

I'm hoping that the clip means that the "Sam realizes what she's done" description of next week's episode is referring to her recognition of her treatment of Neil as being inappropriate and hurtful. She takes full responsibility for her behavior on Twitter, so that's a good sign, IMHO. 

 

Obviously Sam's part of the clip was filmed while still on the honeymoon (based on what she said), but I believe that Neil's part was filmed back home in Atlanta. That picture frame on the wall behind him looks like the one he's seen carrying into their rental home.

Edited December 26, 2015 by BonnieLass

[jamblastx]

As far as this male's rating of the women...

 

Sham - Physical appearance - 1, Personality - Zero.....overall: 0.5

 

Ashley - Physical appearance 5, Personality - 1 ....overall: 3

 

Vanessa - Physical appearance 7, Personality - 5...overall: 6

 

Which means that the overall 'winner' is....Ms. Columbia (sorry Steve Harvey)

 

I am curious on how we all rate these people at the end of the season...something tells me they will all trend downward

Edited December 26, 2015 by jamblastx

[Kareem]

As far as this male's rating of the women...

Sham - Physical appearance - 1, Personality - Zero.....overall: 0.5

Ashley - Physical appearance 5, Personality - 1 ....overall: 3

Vanessa - Physical appearance 7, Personality - 5...overall: 6

Which means that the overall 'winner' is....Ms. Columbia (sorry Steve Harvey)

I am curious on how we all rate these people at the end of the season...something tells me they will all trend downward

Wow. Ya nailed it. jmho

I was beginning to think that I was the only one who thought Sam could make a train take a dirt road. She also needs to invest in a hairbrush. Her actions make her one of the least feminine creatures I've seen in a long time. Her personality is beyond comprehension and beyond words. Ashley's not scary looking to me but her personality is unfortunate. I think Vanessa is attractive but she lost a few points with the meltdown. Curious how they ended up with Sam and Ashley, personality-wise. They seemed to have many to choose from.

[Cherrio]

David - 4       Comes off as too needy, also had hints of being too attached to his mother and the mother was too attached to him.  Doughy appearance and red hair which are not attractive to me.
Tres - 6     I think he will never commit because of his mother deserting him.   He is attractive, but not drop dead gorgeous. His so called player personality is a turn off too.
Neil - 3         Many other posters have already stated it better than I can. He seems to go out of his way to be unattractive (that long beard) his clothes, the man purse.  I also think he is extremely passive aggressive which I cannot stand.   Wanting his wife to be friends with his ex was creepy.  I think he was chosen to be the very strange one, with a face only a mother could love and a non body.

        I would of insisted on a separate room for myself with all of them.

      I have stayed at the Wigwam so I would of requested my previous room.  

Ashley - attractive, looked very good in the wedding dress. 8

Sam -     needs a little pampering, a good facial to make her skin glow.   6

Vanessa - beautiful, looked amazing in her dress.  9 

[WhoAmIReally]

I will rate the men in terms of how many cocktails I would have to consume in order to kiss them (let it be known that the room starts to spin a little after I have two drinks):

 

Neil:  2  I would kiss him while relatively sober because I think he's hilarious and I like skinny men.

David:  4  Near blackout-territory.  I don't like ginger frat bros, but his teeth are kind of sexy.

Tres:  11,000 (eleventy-thousand)  Gross.  Bland as hell and clearly has nothing of interest to say.  He probably watches sports all day and plays on his cellphone.

[grumpypanda]

I wanna play,

Neil- 3 He's not hideous but I'm generally not a fan of facial hair and he's a little too feminine for my taste (yuck, I sound like Sam). He could be more attractive if he shaved and got a better wardrobe. I might sleep with him out of curiosity though. Strange looking men are often great lovers.

Tres- 5 He's perfectly acceptable looking but I still find his appearance a little boring. I don't think he's very sexy but that could change after a few drinks. I might sleep with him if I were bored and intoxicated.

David- 6 I don't normally like gingers but there's something about David that I find appealing. I think he's got a cute smile and has nice eyes. I would sleep with him by the third date, no alcohol required.

Vanessa- 9 Definitely the prettiest woman ever to be on this show.

Ashley- 5 Average looking but can look pretty with the right hair and makeup.

Sam- 4 Not atrocious but her eyes are too close together and she looks dirty most of the time.

Edited December 27, 2015 by grumpypanda

[seasick]

Yeah, Sam does look dirty somehow.  Adds to her overall desire to be offensive in every way possible.

 

As normal un-retouched humans go,  Vanessa is a beauty.

[okerry]

Catch me up here--  What is a "hipster?"  Also, while I'm asking  what does YMMV mean?  ( I figured out all the other Abbrev's but that one stumps me.)  thnks    

The Urban Dictionary is your friend: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hipster

Edited December 27, 2015 by okerry

[Neurochick]

I think I'd need to be blackout drunk or dead before I kissed Neil, something about him grosses me out; he's like, "let's make myself look as fugly as possible."

Edited December 27, 2015 by Neurochick

[izabella]

I think Neil insists on that beard because he has a weak chin and is trying to balance out the lower part of his face compared to the upper part with the large eyes and forehead.  I don't think he'd really look better if he were clean shaven because of that chin.  But his beard is so dark, it looks painted on.  He might do best with a 5 o'clock shadow look.  I just can't with the man purse; it makes me want to mock him.  That's what backpacks are for.  

 

David seems friendly, fun and kind , so that's a big win.  Anyone who can keep trying to talk to a brick wall without channeling Cartman (screw you, I'm going home!), has an abundance of patience, and he will be needing it.  I like David's looks.  He has a nice face, and I don't mind a few extra pounds.  He's cuddly and I don't look down on him for enjoying a great meal.  That's Sam's issue too - she may work out on those silks and have actual strength and muscles, but if she's not also watching her calories, she will be chubby.  You can overcome a bad workout with good eating, but you can't overcome bad eating with a good workout.

 

Tres has made little impression on me as a person.  He's handsome but I don't know if there's a personality in there anywhere.  Same for Vanessa, actually.

[seasick]

I'd like to see both these guys come out of their experiment stupor and get real.  .  

 

I can't wait for David to finally say Ashley is an insufferable mope. and for Neil to admit he's thought of smothering Sam in her sleep.

 

I hope they haven't been editing out any of the guys' stuff

[seasick]

I think Neil insists on that beard because he has a weak chin and is trying to balance out the lower part of his face compared to the upper part with the large eyes and forehead.  I don't think he'd really look better if he were clean shaven because of that chin.  But his beard is so dark, it looks painted on.  He might do best with a 5 o'clock shadow look.  I just can't with the man purse; it makes me want to mock him.  That's what backpacks are for.  

 

 

I thought it was a backpack.  He said it was and I saw him wearing one. I hope so .  II couldn't defend a "murse".   And while I'm remembering that part of the Ep.,  why would Sam want to bring her toothbrush to the dentist office?

I agree the beard is too stark.  It makes his lips look strange.  5 o'clock would be good.  But actually it's his huge shiny forehead  that is most out of balance and weird.  He needs to un-grease that hair, let it grow, and balance the bottom half of his face.

 

There must be a nasty ad on this page. my computer keeps jamming.

[Neurochick]

I think the issue with David and Ashley is, she has ideas of what her ideal man should look like and it's not David.  Sam is doing the same thing with Neil.  The trick is can they look past what their brains are saying is ideal for them?  

[James79]

Neil is going to have to step it up and quit being passive. He needs to be a little more aggressive in his approach. He might make mistakes but that's the only way he can build attraction is to convey his true self to Sam and be more upfront and more less on the persona as a "Nice Guy Syndrome"...Neil needs to build his backbone and improve on it until its rock solid. Once that happens, Sam heart will begin to melt and she'll melt elsewhere too :)

Edited December 31, 2015 by James79

[Kira53]

Sam is honestly one of the most terrible people I've seen in a long time. She's rude, she's childish, she has no way with words at all (like really, how could she not realize some of the things she was saying to Neil were extremely insulting and emasculating). When Neil asked why she thought they were matched together, she cites that they BOTH are so kind and considerate (I've yet to see that side of her). She won't admit when she's wrong or at fault, when Neil was telling her that she made him angry, she completely ignores the fact that she said something that hurt someone else and focuses on the TIME he chose to tell her.  Even her apologies are shit. "I'm not sorry I think you're a weak ass pussy boy, I'm sorry I said it to your face"

How can one person be so flawed? I'd be personally pissed at the experts for matching me with this psychopath

Sam is honestly one of the most terrible people I've seen in a long time. She's rude, she's childish, she has no way with words at all (like really, how could she not realize some of the things she was saying to Neil were extremely insulting and emasculating). When Neil asked why she thought they were matched together, she cites that they BOTH are so kind and considerate (I've yet to see that side of her). She won't admit when she's wrong or at fault, when Neil was telling her that she made him angry, she completely ignores the fact that she said something that hurt someone else and focuses on the TIME he chose to tell her.  Even her apologies are shit. "I'm not sorry I think you're a weak ass pussy boy, I'm sorry I said it to your face"

How can one person be so flawed? I'd be personally pissed at the experts for matching me with this psychopath

She is a female Donald Trump. Total narcissist. Insults others and thinks she is justified but extremely sensitive to any criticism. Vicious in her verbal assaults but takes no responsibility for her actions. She must think she looks great and is a prize but as others have observered she is average at best. Big time personality disorder; she isn't going to change. She has very little insight and doesn't see need for personal improvement.

Oil

[ralph]

My ratings, physically and personality wise combined

Sam - 0

Ashley - 7

Vanessa - 5

 

Neil - 7

David - 7

Tres  - 7

 

I thought it was a backpack.  He said it was and I saw him wearing one. I hope so .  II couldn't defend a "murse".   And while I'm remembering that part of the Ep.,  why would Sam want to bring her toothbrush to the dentist office?

I agree the beard is too stark.  It makes his lips look strange.  5 o'clock would be good.  But actually it's his huge shiny forehead  that is most out of balance and weird.  He needs to un-grease that hair, let it grow, and balance the bottom half of his face.

 

There must be a nasty ad on this page. my computer keeps jamming.

 

I think Neil is cute but if I had to point out a flaw, I'd just say that his head is oddly long. When I first saw him, no joke, I kinda thought the picture on my TV was distorted.

 

And people keep saying Neil doesn't have a body, but I don't think that's true. From what I've seen he's got pretty toned, but thin arms. I really think he has more of a swimmer's build. He's skinny, but the muscle underneath is probably well defined.

[seasick]

My ratings, physically and personality wise combined

Sam - 0

Ashley - 7

Vanessa - 5

 

Neil - 7

David - 7

Tres  - 7

 

 

I think Neil is cute but if I had to point out a flaw, I'd just say that his head is oddly long. When I first saw him, no joke, I kinda thought the picture on my TV was distorted.

 

And people keep saying Neil doesn't have a body, but I don't think that's true. From what I've seen he's got pretty toned, but thin arms. I really think he has more of a swimmer's build. He's skinny, but the muscle underneath is probably well defined.

Neil does have a longer, thin face.  Adding  6 inches of beard and 3 inches of forehead does him no favors.   

[PityFree]

Since you're doing the whole "rating" thing... Why not use a scale that's a bit more clear. How about a "nope, never" to "panty-dropper" scale? Responders can come up with the values in between.

Seriously, do you want guys rating the women on the show like this? I personally don't have an issue with it but I suspect some might have something to say about whether or not it would be appropriate if you were talking about the women like that.

Myself, I wouldn't just because after meeting my wife I realized there is no scale that can measure true attractiveness.

If we can rate the men, we can rate the women. It's fair because this show is all about first impressions and first assessments of attractiveness. Both David and Tres would get me to drop my panties. Neil might be able to talk me out of my panties because even though he isn't that physically attractive to me he seems intelligent and funny and appears very well groomed.

 

I absolutely agree that there are many qualities that make people much more attractive but that can't be assessed "at first sight" - intelligence, kindness, sense of humor, etc.

 

I'm a straight woman, but I'll rate the women, too: 

I think Vanessa is the prettiest physically. She comes across as intelligent and mature, too. 

Next prettiest is Ashley, but her persnickety, wet-blanket personality and being a vegetarian make her less attractive. (Note: I have nothing against vegetarians, but that PLUS the rest of her personality is a LOT to deal with. I'd need steaks for strength when putting up with her.)

Sam brings up the rear. She is average looking, but she is slim and men love a thin girl (IME). Her personality makes her much less attractive.

[PityFree]

I have to stand up for men who use man bags. My dad - a man's man who drinks beer, plays sports, drives a truck, is a great husband/dad, etc. - carries a leather, cross body men's bag. It's not a messenger bag or brief case or backpack. It's a men's purse and it is very masculine on him. 

 

What Sam referred to as a "murse" seemed to be a backpack when they showed Neil wearing it. Sam is stupid.

[Empress1]

This show is fascinating from a sociological perspective. I didn't watch the other seasons, but have been watching this over the holidays. I would love to see the candidate pool, because I bet there were like five men in it. I'm told the single straight male : female ratio in Atlanta skews VERY heavily in favor of men and since men don't have the biological clock women do, they can get married later and reap the benefits of having lots of women around.

 

I'm surprised that David, who could maybe lose a few pounds but is above-average-looking (looks alone: 6) and has a job and seems pleasant enough, was not able to find a woman in church. I don't go to church but I'm told that it's an excellent place to meet people. He said that he commits too quickly, and I can see clingy tendencies in him - I'm guessing he's REALLY clingy and that puts people off. I would go insane with a man who needed to be by my side 24/7.

 

Ashley is pretty (looks alone: 7) but there's no there there when it comes to her personality. She can't even make small talk. I get that she's not attracted to his looks, but it doesn't seem like she's giving the relationship a chance to grow by getting to know him. One of my best friends is married to a man who is objectively unattractive. She knows it; he knows it. But they were friends first (she was dating someone else when they met), and he was good to her, and she fell in love with him. They've been married for five years. I did laugh when Ashley was like "[Tourist attraction] will still be there in an hour, let me sleep," because that would probably be me.

 

Sam's personality is negative ten. Jesus, she is the worst. (Looks alone: 5. Very average. She gets uglier every time she speaks though, and she so clearly thinks she's the wittiest thing ever.) And I would give Neil a 5 on looks, but would also add the caveat that I think he's a very specific type. Not MY type but if you put him in Williamsburg, Brooklyn he'd clean up. He's going to have to do a lot more calling her out like he did at the tetherball court (is that the right word? How do you play tetherball?) and he's going to need to do it in the moment - like, the next time she calls him a pussy, and there WILL be a next time, he needs to interrupt her calmly and firmly. I wouldn't waste my time with a man that needs to be taught that calling people names is mean, but Neil seems like he's giving this the good ol' college try.

 

Tres and Vanessa are both looks-alone 8s. Of the three couples, they're the one I think has the best shot. She seems a little more invested than he does - even by their body language, she's a lot more touchy-feely than he is - but he seems to like and be attracted to her. (I also think they're the only couple having sex.)

[Almost 3000]

I have to stand up for men who use man bags. My dad - a man's man who drinks beer, plays sports, drives a truck, is a great husband/dad, etc. - carries a leather, cross body men's bag. It's not a messenger bag or brief case or backpack. It's a men's purse and it is very masculine on him. 

 

What Sam referred to as a "murse" seemed to be a backpack when they showed Neil wearing it. Sam is stupid.

I can't believe in 2015 we're even still having this conversation about a carry-all. You'd think that saying "murse' as an intentional gender slam would be politically incorrect. Sam's a jerk. (I was going to say moron but that would have been ironic so I guess I'm a bit of a jerk too)

[Vinyasa]

. I would love to see the candidate pool, because I bet there were like five men in it.

 

They showed tons of men in the "Matching making Special" first episode. Maybe even more men than women. 20,000 people applied, remember? (ha-ha)

Edited December 28, 2015 by Vinyasa

[Neurochick]

I'm surprised that David, who could maybe lose a few pounds but is above-average-looking (looks alone: 6) and has a job and seems pleasant enough, was not able to find a woman in church. I don't go to church but I'm told that it's an excellent place to meet people. He said that he commits too quickly, and I can see clingy tendencies in him - I'm guessing he's REALLY clingy and that puts people off. I would go insane with a man who needed to be by my side 24/7.

 

 

I think that could be an issue with David.  Maybe he exhausts women; I dated a guy like that and I had to get away after a month.  I can see David asking a woman, "do you love me" ten thousand times a day.  Yikes.

 

Sam's personality is negative ten. Jesus, she is the worst. (Looks alone: 5. Very average. She gets uglier every time she speaks though, and she so clearly thinks she's the wittiest thing ever.) And I would give Neil a 5 on looks, but would also add the caveat that I think he's a very specific type. Not MY type but if you put him in Williamsburg, Brooklyn he'd clean up. He's going to have to do a lot more calling her out like he did at the tetherball court (is that the right word? How do you play tetherball?) and he's going to need to do it in the moment - like, the next time she calls him a pussy, and there WILL be a next time, he needs to interrupt her calmly and firmly. I wouldn't waste my time with a man that needs to be taught that calling people names is mean, but Neil seems like he's giving this the good ol' college try.

 

 

I had to bold that part because Neil looks like a lot of guys I've seen in Brooklyn, and those same types are slowly making their way to Harlem.  Half the men who sell stuff at the Holiday Market in Bryant Park remind of me Neil (which is why I don't like him).  Still, Sam needs to learn manners, and perhaps invest in a hairbrush; I get that she's not into Neal (I too thought there was something wrong with the cable when I first saw his face), but she can at least try to make a friend.  

[Soup333]

I don't think Neil is that bad and he is completely opposite of any type I've ever been interested in. My 75 year old mother watched the first episode of this over the weekend and said Neil he was scary looking, so I guess he was right about not being everyone's cup of tea.

[Jack Sampson]

I don't think Neil is that bad and he is completely opposite of any type I've ever been interested in. My 75 year old mother watched the first episode of this over the weekend and said Neil he was scary looking, so I guess he was right about not being everyone's cup of tea.

My girlfriend said he looked like a terrorist.

[ketose]

My girlfriend said he looked like a terrorist.

The original beard had that affect. Now, not so much.