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[camom]

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I don't think she's crying over Steven because her heart broke I think she's upset because in her mind he took away the dreams of having a marriage and baby until she finds the next guy ya know? 

I totally agree with this.

People with Down syndrome typically do not have great judgement or discernment.  They have trouble when something is OK in one situation but not in another.  For example, it's OK to hug people you know but not strangers in the grocery store (that's how you make friends!).  As parents, we try to help them learn what is appropriate and what is not, but sometimes you have to make rules that leave no room for misunderstanding.  I imagine that when Cristina's parents found that she was watching porn, they told her that it wasn't OK and that she wasn't to watch sex on the computer or TV.  She is unable to differentiate between that and what she was being shown in the sex class.  I believe that is what caused her so much distress.  She even stated that she was afraid of getting in trouble with her parents.  She also admits to being a bit scared about sex, which is normal for someone of her emotional age.  I think her parents handled the situation quite well.

[anonymousgirl]

one of the" family members' commented on fb that Angel has Dubowitz Syndrome.

[camom]

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one of the" family members' commented on fb that Angel has Dubowitz Syndrome.

Wow, that's a rare one.  He seems like a very caring young man.

[gunderda]

I thought Christina's reaction during the sex/porn talk was very extreme.... so I hope after seeing that her parents are able to correct whatever they did when they caught her watching porn.  I'm sure they acted like most parents would do their teenage kids watching it...... (yes i know she's not a teenager) and reacted in a negative way, maybe even reprimanding her for doing it. 

But it kinda cracks me up that these people (don't want to call them kids cause they're really not....) get bored and start watching porn on YouTube lol  Sounds like Christina isn't the only one who's done it!

[Brooklynista]

54 minutes ago, gunderda said:

I thought Christina's reaction during the sex/porn talk was very extreme.... so I hope after seeing that her parents are able to correct whatever they did when they caught her watching porn.  I'm sure they acted like most parents would do their teenage kids watching it...... (yes i know she's not a teenager) and reacted in a negative way, maybe even reprimanding her for doing it. 

But it kinda cracks me up that these people (don't want to call them kids cause they're really not....) get bored and start watching porn on YouTube lol  Sounds like Christina isn't the only one who's done it!

I loved Angel's suggestion that she watch wrestling instead. 

Edited June 22, 2017 by Brooklynista

[Eureka]

@gunderda I understand what you're saying about not calling them kids, but if you're in your early to mid 20s (and I know some of them are older than that, but I'm thinking mainly of Megan's age) that's a kid to me! I'm just getting old. Sigh. Lol!

Edited June 23, 2017 by Eureka

[princelina]

I felt that most of this episode should have been kept private - as Christina says, "It's personal."  The younger level that they are all on mentally gives them a natural modesty that our over-sexed and over-romanced culture seems to rid many people of by middle school, and I don't see why this all has to play out on tv, just so that we viewers can be educated about how they feel.  (I even think that with the possible exception of Angel and Christina, they would have been more comfortable with all boy/girl groups to learn.). I felt bad for Steven when Megan kept bringing him up at the beginning of the discussion; someone should have told her that was not appropriate (although she stopped so maybe someone did :)

I also wish that Kris would tone down the drama when talking to Megan - when she says things like "I know you're brokenhearted" (rather than "I know Steven made you feel bad", for example) it seems like she's just helping to keep it going.  And I don't mean for the show; I think that's just how she is.  It annoys me :)

My LOL line of the night:  "No, Christina, of course we didn't do it in front of our parents."  hee hee

[gunderda]

10 hours ago, princelina said:

I felt that most of this episode should have been kept private - as Christina says, "It's personal."  

I dunno, I think in a way it might help parents of kids that have DS kids that don't have the support that the people on this show do.  Most kids grow up and understand what sex is and being a parent to a 20-30 year old that really doesn't must be hard. 

[ChiCricket]

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

I dunno, I think in a way it might help parents of kids that have DS kids that don't have the support that the people on this show do.  Most kids grow up and understand what sex is and being a parent to a 20-30 year old that really doesn't must be hard. 

I agree, but also agree with another poster that they should have had separate male and female classes to lessen their embarrassment.

[princelina]

3 hours ago, gunderda said:

I dunno, I think in a way it might help parents of kids that have DS kids that don't have the support that the people on this show do.  Most kids grow up and understand what sex is and being a parent to a 20-30 year old that really doesn't must be hard. 

Well their parents are certainly free to tell about it, and even showing us the teacher coming in and starting out would have been no big deal, as the parents discussed it in THs.  But these young adults aren't really giving consent to have their sex lives, such as they are, discussed publicly (ala members of the Bachelor franchise) -they are just doing what they are told, which in this case was talk and ask about sex for the cameras.

[gunderda]

I'm sure in some aspect they are giving their consent.  They can easily say they don't want to talk about it, which Christina has a few times when she didn't want to discuss it in camera or in front of her dad. 

[camom]

If they aren't conserved (which I don't believe they are), their parents have no legal control over what is filmed and what isn't.

[princelina]

Something being legal doesn't make it right.  I don't feel that Christina or any of them should have been put in the position of having to say anything, especially when as a rule they do as they are asked/try to please.  IMO the show took advantage of their innocence and good natures to satisfy the prurient interests of a modern-day audience.  And I did not care for that.

[camom]

I completely agree, princelina.

[kassa]

Just caught up on the last two episodes. Favorite line? Cristina: "You can carry me to the bed... but not too much."

 

Less favorite line, Cristina asking her father if they had sex in front of his parents. Drives home what a struggle it must be for the parents to grasp how much/little they understand, even if they have been given what seemed to be very straightforward information.

 

I think Cristina's parents' strong reaction to the porn was tied into their fear of her being exploited. It is very common for sexual predators to groom prospective victims with porn, and they may have pressed more on the "not only should you not be looking at this but you need to let us know if anybody ever shows you these things or talks to you about them" than they realize years later.

[Normades]

I just got caught up on the last few episodes and had a few thoughts.  The whole Megan/Steven romance is so sad.  You can see how they really don’t understand each other and have a hard time communicating their feelings.  I think Steven was really scared.  I don’t believe the whole wanting to see other girls excuse.  I felt that was just another movie or tv line because he really couldn’t communicate that the reality of a girlfriend and possible physical romance scared him.  He also may have been trying to save face with that comment.  Poor Megan seems so starved for male attention that she comes on way too strong.  I’ve seen that happen with lots of girls without DS and it’s sad.  I also find it interesting that when Sean comes on too strong he seems to get judged a bit more harshly than Megan does.  I believe they both have some similar issues in that area.  Poor Christina and her discomfort with the sex ed.  Her parents are so awesome, but you can see where there are lots of unexpected pitfalls in trying to explain complex situations to someone with DS, and these are very high functioning people from my experience.  Imagine what it’s like when you have a child who is much less able to understand, but still has the hormones and feelings of an adult.  I found some of this hard to watch, but I think it gives some clarity to the difficulties in parenting a child with DS.  Nothing is as simple as explaining and expecting changes.  It takes lifelong teaching and sometimes a concept is never understood. 

The issues with John and his father made me think of my own father’s relationship with my sister.  He is close to the same age as John’s father (I think).  He had a very hard time accepting that his child was not perfect.  It seemed to hurt his ego and he was very hard on her.  I still have some traumatic memories of things he did.  It made me wonder if John’s father may have had similar difficulties accepting John.  I also wonder if John’s success has had an effect on his father’s acceptance.  I might be projecting my own bad experience, but I really had to question why John would say he really didn’t know his father well.  I was glad to see him having fun at the baby shower, though.  I hope they continue to grow their relationship.  It’s nice that they have that center for people with DS because you can see how it helps the parents to get to know each other and gain support, too.  I wish it had been around years ago for my family.

[camom]

John's father was pretty much a hands-off dad with all of his kids.  He may have been involved more with his only son if John hadn't had DS, but who knows what might have been.  I do think, though, that he has always accepted John.

[Normades]

18 minutes ago, camom said:

John's father was pretty much a hands-off dad with all of his kids.  He may have been involved more with his only son if John hadn't had DS, but who knows what might have been.  I do think, though, that he has always accepted John.

Good to know that DS probably didn't play into it.  I was probably projecting my own bad experience.  His dad seemed like a fun guy when he was at the party.  Maybe he mellowed with age.  John is so funny!  I really enjoy watching him.  He really has confidence in himself and doesn't mind letting you know what he thinks.  It's awesome!

[Bastet]

I liked seeing poor sick John feel better for a short time because of the horses.

On the other hand, I could happily go the rest of my life without seeing another minute of this Steven/Megan/Sean shit. 

I don't like kids, so I could do without Rocco's segments in one sense, but on the other I think it's good to hear from parents of someone that young, who is currently dealing with the education system and who is just, in general, new to feeling their way through life as the parent of a child with DS.

Cristina has a long way to go before she's ready for marriage; she has such an unrealistic view of romantic relationships.  From Angel's question to the married couple they met with, it sounds like Cristina thinks they shouldn't be doing things/hanging out with friends on their own, when that's part of any healthy relationship.  (And we know from a past episode that she has batshit crazy jealousy/possessive issues when it comes to other women.)  Also, she thinks they should go to therapy to learn how not to argue.  Um, no, you need to learn how to resolve your arguments, but arguments are just part of life.  I like her a lot, but she kind of sucks as a romantic partner at this point.

[butterbody]

Steven was a major cockblocker this ep. 

[nlkm9]

I fast forward through the rocco scenes.....first off his hair annoys me to no end, and I like following the young adults and hate that roccos segment took time away from Rachel:)

[Normades]

Watching John with the horse was  sweet.  I felt so bad that he was not well.  He really is a nice young man.  He handled being sick so well, no whining or ruining anyone else's time.  He was a real trooper.  Elena was wonderful to watch as well.  I was so happy for her and loved her confidence in scoring herself.  She has come a long way.  It's awe inspiring to see these young people set real goals and learn how to meet them.  

The Sean/Megan/Steven love triangle is very disconcerting.  No matter what, someone will get hurt and I feel badly for all of them.  Megan seems both starved for affection and somewhat manipulative in how she is treating the guys.  I don't know that she realizes the hurt she is causing.  It all seems like some awful play set in middle school.  I really hope someone can help her see the harm and learn better boundaries.  

It seems like Christina and Angel's relationship is not anywhere near ready for the step of marriage.  Christina is rigid in her thinking about spending time with others.  I wonder why she feels that way. Also, I don't think she is ready for physical love.  That sex ed class highlighted her fears.  Angel is a real angel.  I just love him!  He is so easy going and loving.  I think they need someone to help each of them with their expectations from marriage.  Angel said that he wants a physical relationship with her and I don't think it's fair to either of them if there is no meeting of the minds on that and many other issues.  

Not enough Rachel!!

[TheVoicesToldMeTo]

I wish they'd sent John home sooner rather than dragging out his illness.  He is probably not capable of stepping in on his own and demanding he be driven home.  DS are usually people-pleasers.

Steven/Megan/Sean love triangle seems to be encouraged by producers.  Megan is the youngest of all of the cast members and watching her go through middle-school-ish angst in her early 20s is unsettling, as she may probably not emotionally mature enough to walk out of this situation on her own.

Someone needs to wrangle Sean in on his alpha male stuff. 

Angel is a jerk, and even with his disabilities he's still picked up misogyny and sexism.  Cool!  Pick and poke at your GF until she melts down or blows up and then "pssht" or roll your eyes and act like she's a B!tch for $hitting on your parade.....

[ClareWalks]

I honestly cannot decide who is more insufferable in this love triangle; Megan, Sean, or Steven.

[Dominii]

6 hours ago, butterbody said:

Steven was a major cockblocker this ep.

I know, right? I used to like him the best, but now, not so much. My favorite quote from this episode was when Megan asked him (after he was all poopy when she joked about "her" boys), "Are you crazy, or is it just me?"  I think Megan and Sean belong together. They both have the biggest egos of the bunch, and I think they may have the largest libidos as well. They also seem to be a good match in the intellectual and emotional development domains.

Like the rest of you, I'm sick of the Megan love drama. Show more Elena and Rachel, please. Oh, and John too.

[anonymousgirl]

Yay, more Elena. I'm so glad she has her job and I'm proud of her for not having breakdown when things get overwhelming during the job . I also liked how she tried giving Megan advice about letting go. I can't wait to see her trip to Japan and see her interact with family and maybe see her wear a kimono. Maybe she can finally pick up her computer she inherited from her uncle.

Edited June 28, 2017 by anonymousgirl

[Eureka]

I absolutely loved Elena in this episode. Getting the job, talking to Megan in what to me was like a big sister way (taking the hat off so she could see her face). I just thought it was great and she has made such strides.

Don't like the love triangle at all. Both Steven and Megan seem to want to be back together but aren't sure how to do that, and I feel bad for Sean. And what's surprising to me is that he is not abrasive and inappropriate with her, but is honest and more gentle than we've seen him, like when he was fixing her hat.

Edited June 29, 2017 by Eureka

[Eureka]

Other random thoughts...I am already tired of Rocco and his family. He's cute, but there's only so much a three year old does to be able to show it. And I felt bad for John feeling so sick, but in reality it was probably a couple hours from the time they got there until they rode horses. I could be wrong about that but I have a feeling it was just the editing that was dragging it out.

Edited June 29, 2017 by Eureka

[JocelynCavanaugh]

I've really come to like John now that I don't have to hear him rap about booty as often. He and Elena are probably my favorites. I pretty much agree with everyone about the love triangle and Rocco. That kid needs his own separate show that I won't watch. Also as an educator, I have some opinions about mainstreaming from the POV of the teacher and every other kid in the class, but I'm sure no one including his weepy mother wants to hear them.

[ClareWalks]

20 minutes ago, JocelynCavanaugh said:

Also as an educator, I have some opinions about mainstreaming from the POV of the teacher and every other kid in the class, but I'm sure no one including his weepy mother wants to hear them.

Yeah, when she said that was their main priority I was like "um." I was a school secretary 10 years ago and we had a severely disabled elementary-school child whose mother was all about inclusion. The girl sat in the back of the classroom, unable to participate at all, unable to actually learn anything that might have applied to her life (this kid was nonverbal, in diapers, and extremely violent). It was such a huge disservice to this girl, all because her mom couldn't bear the thought of her being in a special education classroom. Not saying the Rocco situation is exactly the same, but you have to think about who is actually benefiting from this, because it often is not the child in question.

[JocelynCavanaugh]

24 minutes ago, ClareWalks said:

Yeah, when she said that was their main priority I was like "um." ... Not saying the Rocco situation is exactly the same, but you have to think about who is actually benefiting from this, because it often is not the child in question.

Basically, the people who "benefit" are "nobody in the actual classroom." The parents get pacified, the community gets warm fuzzies, and the school district gets to boast, but nobody in the class is getting to do their best or learn at the level they really need. The lady Rocco's mom was talking to (I already forgot who she was) claimed that all studies support inclusion, but I just can't believe that. Many of the young adults on this show can't count money or do other basic life skills. It might have been nice to let them focus on those things in school instead of pretending they were cheerleaders. 

[Bastet]

It sounds like they ended up with a situation where he'd be in special ed classes for some things and in "regular" class for others, which seems logical to me given his age and how he scored on those behavioral skills tests.  But there was reference to advocating for "full inclusion" or something like that, and I am confused as to how that could be a good thing for anyone.  How on earth would that work at school, especially as the kids get older?  At some point, the student with DS cannot possibly keep up, so what happens -- you either make them feel alien and left out, because the spend the whole school day with people who are engaged in lessons they can't grasp, or you deny reality and pretend like they're just the same as their peers? 

And what of those peers, who deserve to have the little bit of attention already allotted to them given the student/teacher ratio in most schools, not have one special-needs student suck up more than a proportional share of the teacher's time?  I just don't understand how that would work, so I'd love to hear from those with experience, because a combination of special ed and regular classes sounds like the only way to go, for the benefit of all involved, but I may very well be missing something.  (I have a colleague who practices disability rights law, but we've never discussed the education rights issue; she generally deals with adults.)

[JocelynCavanaugh]

Also, most mainstream classroom teachers are not Special Ed certified, so we're asking a lot more of them than they signed up for, AND in many districts, SE teachers earn a stipend. How is it fair to ask someone to do work they're not trained for and not even pay them the bonus for doing it? It's nice to have some inclusion at times when it makes sense or doesn't change the effect on all students too much, but expecting to mainstream a DS or otherly-abled kid for most of the day just does everyone a disservice. Rocco's and Megan's moms both seem to take their kids' situations really personally; we see what that's done to Megan and it's possible Rocco could end up the same way.

Edited June 29, 2017 by JocelynCavanaugh

[camom]

I agree that, in most cases, a combination of regular classroom and special ed is best, but every Down syndrome organization makes parents feel like they are failing their kids if they don't push for full inclusion.  Often there is an aide just for that child, the curriculum is adjusted, etc.  Basically, they are sitting in the same room but aren't necessarily a part of the class.  It really only works well with the highest functioning children.  I had a choice of having my daughter in a regular classroom -- 30 kids with 1 teacher -- or a special ed classroom -- 12 kids with 2 teachers.  I picked special ed and I'm glad I did.  She was mainstreamed for non-academic times, but got her education in special ed.  It paid off and she did very well.

[anonymousgirl]

As a person in a wheelchair with a learning disability I had both 'normal' classes and special ed. I never minded. Heck, if my kid ever needed special ed I wouldn't mind either, nothing wrong with learning at a different pace.

Edited June 29, 2017 by anonymousgirl

[Hellohappylife]

6 hours ago, ClareWalks said:

Yeah, when she said that was their main priority I was like "um." I was a school secretary 10 years ago and we had a severely disabled elementary-school child whose mother was all about inclusion. The girl sat in the back of the classroom, unable to participate at all, unable to actually learn anything that might have applied to her life (this kid was nonverbal, in diapers, and extremely violent). It was such a huge disservice to this girl, all because her mom couldn't bear the thought of her being in a special education classroom. Not saying the Rocco situation is exactly the same, but you have to think about who is actually benefiting from this, because it often is not the child in question.

Good point you have about who is actually the one benefiting from these situations. Come to think of it when I was in First grade up to 5th grade I had a boy in my class named Andy,he always had an aid,he could barely read or write, during yearly state testing he would get to be absent,often times he would be coloring while the teacher was doing lessons. He would be part of group projects but he didn't add anything to them & was basically a silent partner in those situations. He was the sweetest kid & always smiling. I am now 24 & that has me thinking about where he is in life now since he didn't get the basic education skills he should have had. Parents say it's unfair that their kids can't be included in "typical" classes but is it really?  How is it fair to put a child in classes for 8 hours a day,where they don't participate,or fully understand the lessons. When he could spend 8 hours actually working things on his level.  

[Former Nun]

8 hours ago, Eureka said:

Both Steven and Megan seem to want to be back together but aren't sure how to do that, and I feel bad for Sean.

Steven would probably love to spend time with Megan if she could get that "sexy love" out of her mind.  She seems to scare him by acting sexually yearning, yet she doesn't really know what she's saying or doing.  Even when he tells her he doesn't like the way she speaks about that topic...it doesn't faze her.  They've both trained themselves by watching movies--but each got a different message.  He wants a girlfriend, probably, just to say he has a girlfriend.  She wants someone to treat her like a little princess...but a sexy one.

[Former Nun]

On 6/21/2017 at 1:54 PM, Zanne said:

I was so dismayed when Megan equated having a boyfriend with success and happiness. I know a lot of young girls, and even adult women, feel that way, but it's still awful to hear. From her conversation with her mom, it sounded like it didn't matter to Megan who she was with as long as she was with someone. It made me wonder if that correlation came from just her choice in movies or from her high school experience and maybe someone saying something like she made it if she had a boyfriend - mixed messages that arose amongst the cheerleaders.

I agree with this so much!  I think it's also important to Megan that her boyfriend be cute.  All the other "kids" on the show seem to overlook everything about appearance and race.  Megan will probably never "love" Sean.

[Normades]

I have no experience with the inclusion of special needs children in school, so I find this very interesting.  It seemed that Rocco's mother was more concerned about inclusion than she was about Rocco's education.  I see benefits on both sides of having some inclusion, but it seems that there needs to be appropriate education so that each child can learn to the best of their ability.  I can't remember if it was on the show or on this board but I remember someone saying that there was a classroom situation with a DS child where the other children in the class would hurry to finish their own work so that they could help the DS child.  That's very sweet on the surface, but  hurrying through studies isn't helpful to students trying to learn and is a distraction.  Inclusion during some classes is good to foster acceptance and empathy, but I think it's important to see that the educational needs are being met for all the students.  

4 hours ago, Former Nun said:

I agree with this so much!  I think it's also important to Megan that her boyfriend be cute.  All the other "kids" on the show seem to overlook everything about appearance and race.  Megan will probably never "love" Sean.

I think you're right about Megan's superficial understanding of having a boyfriend, but I do remember Steven seemed very aware of appearance in earlier shows.  Didn't he not want to date anyone with DS?  Also, I think part of the attraction to Megan is her appearance. 

[ClareWalks]

1 minute ago, Normades said:

I think you're right about Megan's superficial understanding of having a boyfriend, but I do remember Steven seemed very aware of appearance in earlier shows.  Didn't he not want to date anyone with DS?

Yeah, I think last season he talked about wanting a beautiful "typical" girlfriend.

[gunderda]

All of these 'kids' seem to have no boundaries with telling other people how cute or hot they are.  I don't even remember being that way as a teenager!

Christina shouts out to the ranch hand "HEYYYYY CUTIE" as they're gathering around the fire.  Like really?? Says the girl who gets really really po'd when her fiance just looks in the direction of another girl?? 

And when they got there I totally thought Sean was going to ask one of the daughter's of the owner if they were single... but I was pleasantly surprised that he asked if they had pigs. 

And I think Elena has a crush on Megan too. 

[booboopbedoo]

Meagan is playing Sean to make Steven jealous. She is very sneaky.

 

We volunteer at Theraputic Riding and horses have amazing abilities to heal and help. One girl had never spoken and would not make eye contact and hated to be touched. She came twice a week and after a year she rode tall and started talking-about her horse-but it was a start. Another had DS and was so hyper and chatty but on her horse she was silent and would quietly sing to her horse.

[Normades]

1 hour ago, booboopbedoo said:

Meagan is playing Sean to make Steven jealous. She is very sneaky.

 

We volunteer at Theraputic Riding and horses have amazing abilities to heal and help. One girl had never spoken and would not make eye contact and hated to be touched. She came twice a week and after a year she rode tall and started talking-about her horse-but it was a start. Another had DS and was so hyper and chatty but on her horse she was silent and would quietly sing to her horse.

Yes, it sure seems that way.  She needs to have empathy and know that using Sean will end up with him being hurt, just like she was.  I'm worried about Sean because it feels like he's just a pawn to her.  

Nice to hear about the horses.  That must be so much fun.  I really loved seeing John with the horse.  It was so touching.

[Bastet]

8 hours ago, Normades said:

I remember someone saying that there was a classroom situation with a DS child where the other children in the class would hurry to finish their own work so that they could help the DS child.

Sean's mother said that about his classmates, and I had the same reaction you did -- okay, sweet impulse, but not actually a good thing in practice. 

[Former Nun]

4 hours ago, Normades said:

She needs to have empathy and know that using Sean will end up with him being hurt, just like she was

Because she lives in a different state, she didn't get to see if her last boyfriend (dumped) was hurt or not.  I hope her mother explained that what she thinks Steven did to her...she did to that boy.

[Former Nun]

10 hours ago, Normades said:

I think you're right about Megan's superficial understanding of having a boyfriend, but I do remember Steven seemed very aware of appearance in earlier shows.  Didn't he not want to date anyone with DS?  Also, I think part of the attraction to Megan is her appearance. 

I agree, but Steven will have difficulty because of his "Mosaic" DS which will allow him a higher IQ and the ability to reason better (in most cases).  Also, Megan isn't half as cute as when her mother or make-up people help her.  I doubt if she can put herself together as well as we see her on the show.  Sean likes her...no matter what.

[camom]

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Sean likes her...no matter what

True, but even if they were boyfriend/girlfriend, I doubt he would quit flirting with other women.  That could cause all kinds of trouble.

[Bastet]

9 minutes ago, Former Nun said:

Sean likes her...no matter what.

Sean likes every woman who crosses his path.  How many has he declared to be his future wife?  The two Megans - "our" Megan and Meghan Trainor - at least.  I wouldn't wish Sean on anyone.

[auntjess]

10 minutes ago, camom said:

True, but even if they were boyfriend/girlfriend, I doubt he would quit flirting with other women.  That could cause all kinds of trouble.

I'm imagining how Christina would deal with someone like Sean.  I feel for poor Angel.

[anonymousgirl]

13 minutes ago, Bastet said:

Sean likes every woman who crosses his path.  How many has he declared to be his future wife?  The two Megans - "our" Megan and Meghan Trainor - at least.  I wouldn't wish Sean on anyone.

Megan is the same way with Tyler Perry, how she had a crush on him and he married or had a baby with his gf she cried  and ate ice cream she also in her older twitter accounts she use to refer to herself as Tyler Perry's wife.