B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[Joimiaroxeu]

I think Bill should get a restraining order against Thorne. None of this is any of Thorne's effing business. He and Katie have been barely dating for two weeks tops and he basically lives in his dad's basement. Who cares what he thinks? Bet Katie will start drinking again due to all the stress.

[SiouxB]

Oh god what an annoying episode today....

Believe me, I am no fan of Bill but today I was rooting him in with everything I've got...

Katie  can barely speak up for herself and she lets Thorne do all the talking and he has no business even being involved in this as they only started dating five minutes ago and this going for custody thing should have been talked about beforehand..before even mentioning one word to Bill ...

...as for the rest of the nonsense that I saw on screen....I finally realized what I find unattractive about Zoe and its that she has too many teeth in her mouth or they are just too big for her face if that makes any sense...and how nice of her to make an announcement in front of the entire group that she would be happy to wear the showstopper for this collection too....?

Emma  still cannot act to save her life and Xander looks like he goes whichever the way the wind is blowing...hope the three of them are gone soon and take that awful bedroom line with them that looks like a cross between silky pajamas and beachwear and none of it flattering...

OK ...except the fella wearing the robe..?

[ByTor]

3 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I've been on vacation for 2 weeks and I come back to see that Emma still can't act.

*snort*

[CharlizeCat]

5 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

 

Damn, Jim Hetfield makes my teeth chatter...…..OH! Sorry, wrong forum for that......

 

Hee!  Happy to see that somebody else appreciates the fine men of Metallica. Coming to my neck of the woods next March. Wish I could find someone who'd go with me.

Anyway ... I am firmly on Team Bill with this "Whiplash" custody issue. Katie is going to need more luck than a "No Leaf Clover" and I agree with Bill that Thorne is only adding "Fuel" to this fire. (OK, I'll knock it off with the Metallica nonsense.) Anyway, yeah, Bill is absolutely right; he has all the resources to make it an ugly drawn-out courtroom battle and I am 100% certain that the notion would have never crossed Katie's mind if Thorne hadn't planted the seed.  I guess it is a noble, but sorely misguided redemption to try to somehow make up for the Loss of Aly through Will. But ... until she relocated to L.A. didn't she live with Thorne until she went to college? It wasn't like he was a completely absent parent. (Now, taking up and nearly marrying the woman who killed Aly's mother wasn't exactly the action of a grieving parent ... ) Katie looks very nervous and unsure of herself when she's talking about it, which just reinforces in my mind that she's not fully on board.

Also, even though he was late, Bill showed up to see Will. Who TF is Katie to bar him from seeing his own son? I am sure that if she'd allowed Bill access, that Will would have been happy to see him and forgotten about the disappointment earlier in the day.

Anyway, I nearly choked when Steffy asked somebody (Sludge?) if Carter was going to represent Katie. WHAaaaa???? 

I can see this unfolding. Liam and Wyatt will side with Bill, which will re-cement that bond. Brooke, for whatever inexplicable reason, is going to take Bill's side, which will further crack GarBridge and probably rebound her back to Bill's orbit. How is that for a show of sisterly support? I know it is unacceptable, but what else is Brad Bell going to do? He has proven time and again that he doesn't know what else to write about. There are so many many other interesting stories. BTW, when do we get Sally back and doing something more interesting than schlepping Wyatt all day on that disgusting faux fur throw rug on top of the sofa? Yuck.

[thewhiteowl]

Speaking of whiplash, what a quick change in tone about poor, poor Dolla. *sarcasm font*  Will, the forgotten son, the one he's had no time for during his obsessions with Brooke then the building then Steffy. Oh, except to use him against Wyatt ( his other so-called son) and Katie. So sure, he deserves his youngest son because he has treated the others so well? Nah, I don't buy that. Does not mean that Thorne or Ridge don't need to take multiple seats. It's not their biz. Katie has been more than accommodating to Dolla. I just don't like this. At all.

[donovan]

Most of the teen crowd is back in school, so they won't be watching B&B during the day.  Can we just let the 3 stooges fade into oblivion? 

[backhometome]

Thorne is so annoying. He is not even married to Katie. So why is he involving himself in this. Seems like a controlling dbag. 

[RuntheTable]

13 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Hee!  Happy to see that somebody else appreciates the fine men of Metallica. Coming to my neck of the woods next March. Wish I could find someone who'd go with me.

All you gotta do is ask! 

I saw them, can't remember the year, with Rage Against the Machine, Alice in Chains, Godsmack, Stone Temple Pilots. 

I couldn't walk right for a week 

13 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Katie looks very nervous and unsure of herself when she's talking about it, which just reinforces in my mind that she's not fully on board.

I have always wanted Katie to stand up to Bill; I was so annoyed at how easily she caved over Wyatt. But this isn't what I had in mind. Bill is a brute, but Thorne is making Katie's decision about her son for her, and it is just all kinds of wrong. Thorne should have left the building and let Will's parents hash it out. 

 

13 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Anyway, I nearly choked when Steffy asked somebody (Sludge?) if Carter was going to represent Katie. WHAaaaa????

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by RuntheTable

[jenrising]

46 minutes ago, backhometome said:

Thorne is so annoying. He is not even married to Katie. So why is he involving himself in this. Seems like a controlling dbag. 

Ugh, yes. He's been terrible since the recast. Creeping all over Brooke and Katie and now antagonizing Bill and sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong. 

[Gam2]

Oh, Thorne. Shut The Hell Up and go back to the basement. 

[Anna Yolei]

8 hours ago, donovan said:

Most of the teen crowd is back in school, so they won't be watching B&B during the day.  

All three of them who still watch this.

Like, teens today are barely even into reality TV anymore, why even bother anymore? 

[Gam2]

Of all of the young actresses wanting to break into show business, even in the failing soaps, the best one B&B could find was..... Emma? Really? Yikes, folks. Keep looking.

[Joimiaroxeu]

Gee, newlywed Liam's already waffling, and right in front of both his current wife and his ex-wife. The stones on this guy.

Heh, does Hope have a GPS tracker on Liam's car? If not, she probably should.

Right, it won't be koi ponds or cake. Steffy will just nudge Hope off the cliff. Oopsies!

Please, Liam hasn't "been put in an impossible situation." He followed his waffling dick right into it.

Thorne: Spencer needs to be stopped. Katie wants to file for sole custody right away.
Carter: Um, so where is Katie and why isn't she telling me this herself?
Thorne: I am man! I speak for woman! Woman obey me!
Carter: Okay then, playboy. I'm gonna get back to my date and you can get back to your Neanderthal man games.

[Gam2]

I’m not a violent person but nothing would make me happier than to see Bill beat the crap out of Thorne in a dark alley. Thorne actually had the balls to contact Carter (the attorney who specializes in every kind of law known to man) to tell him that Katie “needs” to file for full custody of Will?  Katie? Kick this controlling asshole to the curb right away. And live on your own, raising your child with his father and learn how to be a whole human being by yourself, woman.

[TobinAlbers]

Hopefully Thorne acting like an ass is a precursor to his dealing with his Aly issues as it's been pointed out that he seems to be projecting his own drama into this situation. It'd be interesting if Bill threw that in his face which triggers Thorne who unleashes on Bill in front of Katie effectively ending their romance and Bill has leverage to press charges against Thorne if he ever regains consciousness from his ass whoopin. That'd be a good time for Ridge to step up as big brother to somehow defuse the situation and protect Thorne and try to help him. Or they could have Thorne spiral into suicidal depression that he's snapped out of by the arrival of Macy - and Thorne's long lost kid who is a dopple for Aly due to them getting back the original actress who played Aly. Let her bare her Spectra claws and be way savvier and less fragile than Aly. She's got a chip on her shoulder and an axe to grind with the Forresters and Thorne has to earn her love and trust. Let Ridge or Steffy talk down to her one time and they should be set straight she's not taking any of their crap. Bring back Oliver and/or finally Lil Deacon all grown up and let the outcast bad boy and girl ship sail.

[Waldo13]

If anyone deserves to be taken to the woodshed it's Horney Thorney. Can we get Justin to drop him out of a helicopter and not over water.  

Stuffy is a worse actress when she acts all cutesy than when she's on her high horse.  

This whole Will story is such bull shit. Katie was all scared, of Bill, when she was with Wyatt but with Horney Thorney, Katie is all defiant.  A few months doesn't brake a child's trust unless mommy dearest plants negativity in his ear.  He's still his father and Bill is right to fight for Will. 

Thorne, Carter cannot intervene unless Katie gives the go ahead. On Thorne's best day, he cannot carry Bill's piss bucket. 

[TigerLynx]

Once again, would it kill the writers to do just a little research.  A parent being late for their visitation does not mean the other parent can prevent the parent from seeing their child.  It's quite possible they will end up in jail for contempt because they have a little thing called a custody agreement which includes scheduled visitations.  Also, the courts are concerned with the welfare of the child, not the immature idiot parents who throw temper tantrums.  Which if said tantrum is thrown in a court room, could lead to jail time for contempt.  Then there is the little matter of Ridge and Thorne having no say so whatsoever when it comes to Will.  I can see the scene now:

Judge:  "Mr. Forrester, why are you suing for full custody of Will Spencer, and moving to have Bill Spencer's parental rights terminated?  Were you and Mr. Spencer in a relationship?  Did you adopt the child together?"

Thorne:  "No, your honor, I am dating Will's mother, Katie, Bill Spencer's ex-wife.  Although there has been a lot of speculation about my brother, Ridge Forrester, and Mr. Spencer."

Ridge:  "There is no truth to those rumors.  I am married to Bill Spencer's other ex-wife, Brooke, and I absolutely forbid my daughter Steffy to ever have sex with Bill again, or marry him."

Judge:  "Neither of you have any standing.  Case dismissed."

Ridge/Thorne:  "But we're Forresters, and Bill Spencer is EVIL."

Thorne:  "Technically Ridge is a Marone."

Ridge:  "You want to argue about that now."

Judge:  "Why are these idiots in my courtroom?"

[AngelKitty]

6 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Once again, would it kill the writers to do just a little research. 

Really! This storyline just doesn't make any sense. Did they actually have something in mind when they hired the new Thorne? Because so far, I'm not impressed.

[ByTor]

10 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Once again, would it kill the writers to do just a little research.  A parent being late for their visitation does not mean the other parent can prevent the parent from seeing their child.

I am SOOOO sick of that soap trope where a parent is EVULLLL if they don't spend 24/7 with the kid (tm Ridge) because they have this thing called a job!  None of these people are with their kids anyway, even the stay at home parents ship their kids off with the nanny or up to their rooms to play by themselves.

[RuntheTable]

 

Wow, I can not see Windsor Harmon playing this Thorne, and frankly, I am glad he isn't. WH's version may have been a bit milquetoast, but I will take that over this creepy, stalker, buttinsky any day.

Did Thorne really tell Carter that Katie needed to file for sole custody? Where is he getting off? 

And Carter? Corporate Attorney, Wedding Minister, and now Family Law too? Well, I don't think our man Thorne has any legal right to make this request of Carter; me thinks only Katie can do that. 

I cannot believe how angry I was for Bill. I have been so angry at him for so long, it feels all kinds of weird to be rooting for him again. But this shit just isn't right. This should be between Katie and Bill. Thorne is working his own agenda, and while I think he does want what is best for Will, it is still not his call to make. 

I think JMW looks fabulous in white, and I like the barrette over the ear. I don't know if this stuff will last, but I am going to enjoy it while it does. How novel of Show to give us something so different; I would much rather see these three trying to make it work, than watch the endless cyclical scenes of "you stole my husband", "Liam loves me!", "we were manipulated", and on and on. I think watching these three figure it out is far more interesting and entertaining. Now, if Hope is carrying twins, imma shout, and pump my fist with glee, cause that is really going to make Liam's eye's dart around in confusion. 

Also, I think JMW is working this material in a different, and much more watchable way. What I love most is how she keeps saying that she and Hope will not be like their mothers. I guess we will see, but like I said, I am enjoying the ride while it lasts. 

 

10 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Judge:  "Mr. Forrester, why are you suing for full custody of Will Spencer, and moving to have Bill Spencer's parental rights terminated?  Were you and Mr. Spencer in a relationship?  Did you adopt the child together?"

Thorne:  "No, your honor, I am dating Will's mother, Katie, Bill Spencer's ex-wife.  Although there has been a lot of speculation about my brother, Ridge Forrester, and Mr. Spencer."

Ridge:  "There is no truth to those rumors.  I am married to Bill Spencer's other ex-wife, Brooke, and I absolutely forbid my daughter Steffy to ever have sex with Bill again, or marry him."

Judge:  "Neither of you have any standing.  Case dismissed."

Ridge/Thorne:  "But we're Forresters, and Bill Spencer is EVIL."

Thorne:  "Technically Ridge is a Marone."

Ridge:  "You want to argue about that now."

Judge:  "Why are these idiots in my courtroom?"

This had me laughing out loud, and reminded so much of a scene from one of my favorite movies; Move Over Darling. Doris Day had been stranded on a deserted island with the very hunky Chuck Connors. After seven years, her husband, James Garner, has her declared legally dead, and remarries. Doris returns on his honeymoon, and all sorts of drama ensues, but one of the best scenes is in the courtroom where the judge (Uncle Joe from Petticoat Junction) tries to figure it all out.

This a pretty bad recording, but it has captioning:

[Gam2]

No, Thorne. Katie DOESN’T get to decide when and how Bill gets to see his own child. Watching this actor try to emote while trying to remember to speak “American” is more painful than the root canal I had two weeks ago. Why is he trying to FORCE Katie to do this? She’s obviously reluctant so leave her alone to make up her own mind. She needs to give Bill the opportunity to do better by his kid. 

[SimoneS]

So Liam made it to the ultrasound, good. Although I can't help feeling like this pregnancy is doomed.

At least Bill doesn't want a custody fight. Looks like he will go after Thorne. This story worries me though. I can't help thinking that it is leading to yet another Katie/Bill reunion. Ugh.

[Anna Yolei]

4 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

I don't know if this stuff will last, but I am going to enjoy it while it does. How novel of Show to give us something so different; I would much rather see these three trying to make it work, than watch the endless cyclical scenes of "you stole my husband", "Liam loves me!", "we were manipulated", and on and on. I think watching these three figure it out is far more interesting and entertaining. Now, if Hope is carrying twins, imma shout, and pump my fist with glee, cause that is really going to make Liam's eye's dart around in confusion. 

You know, it actually does. Frankly, I've never wanted Steffy to be the sister Hope had the hardest time bonding with. That obviously should've been Bridget, or alternatively they began to have more riffs as Hope got older and started the same behaviors that led Bridget to marrying Deacon.

This Steffy/Hope rivalry was always forced and made worse because they've always been outshadowed by their mothers' grudges over Ridge. Assuming any sincerity on Steffy's part about wanting better, this would in fact be a great change. So far, she's making a better go at family unity than Taylor ever did with Ridge and Bridget.

1 hour ago, SimoneS said:

So Liam made it to the ultrasound, good. Although I can't help feeling like this pregnancy is doomed.

It just occurred to that that if Hope is having a boy that she could pull right from Brooke's playbook by naming him Eggo Waffle Mini Liam Junior, which would likely enrage Taylor far more than Steffy and I would laugh my head off.

I think it might be a boy anyway because the last boy born was her own nephew Logan in 2010. And if the baby does live, it'll be the first time two borns were born in the same year since Aly and RJ. I think there's way more set up and pay off with two siblings months apart than to have Hope lose the baby and wander back to Steffy, but...yeah. I won't be shocked when that's exactly what happens.

[Gam2]

I knew it! Carter DOES have a background in family court law and it took him all of 2 1/2 seconds to tell Thorne all about it. I just knew Carter could jump in and save the day for Thorne and Katie! I hope Bill crushes Carter, Thorne and Katie too if she goes along with this nonsense because she’s just stupid and weak minded. I’m a pretty regular viewer but I haven’t seen all of the times that Bill has stood up Will, disappointed him on play dates or sleepovers or really heard Katie bitch about what a sorry dad Bill is. Have I missed these whole months that Bill has let his son down over and over and over and over and over so that Thorne has had to fill in as a father figure? Yeah, I thought not. 

[mightysparrow]

I just caught up with the last few shows and it's VILE.

Starting with the interns.  Who cast these people?  And was their brief to find three of the most unattractive people on earth?  I have no idea what the girl who plays Emma is like in real life (apparently she's some sort of reality tv star) but her performance is repellent.  Nothing about Emma is remotely pleasant.  A company like Forrester would have interns lining up around the block.  There's no way on earth that this little snit would get away with the attitude that she's dishing out to all and sundry.  I don't care who she's related to and since she related to someone who works for Forrester's enemy, why the fuck is she there?  As for Zoe and Zander, the nicest thing I can say is that they're slightly less horrible than Emma.  SLIGHTLY.  But planes are flying back and forth to London from LAX every fucking day.  They need to get on one and get off my tv.  And Zoe can crawl back into whatever annoying cave she crawled out of.  NO MORE INTERNS.

Sadly, the intern story was just the opening act to the main event of disgusting that is the latest custody story.  Is this supposed to be Bill's redemption?  Because if they want to redeem $Bill, emphasizing his parenting skills is the very LAST thing the writers should be doing. 

I get that Thorne is working out his Aly issues with Katie and Will but he is so far out of line, it's breath-taking.  There were times when I gasped at how inappropriate Thorne was being.  Thorne, the character, deserves so much better than this bullshit and so does my beautiful Ingo.  Thorne might not have been the best father but he's not an evil man who uses people to serve his agenda.  That's Ridge and that's $Bill and it's really fucked up to see Thorne used as a pawn in a battle that Ridge and $Bill should be fighting.

Thorne should have the opportunity to deal with losing his child by dealing with Taylor and Steffy.  He should get the chance to confront the people who took away his family, his wife and daughter.  He barely knows Will and just because he's fucking Katie is no reason he should be involved in how her child should be raised.

As for Katie, shame on her.  She should remind both $Bill and Thorne that it's HER HOUSE and they need to govern themselves accordingly.  How could she let those two assholes fight over her child like he's a piece of meat?  If that kid had any sense, he'd call his nanny and ask if he could go live with her.

I'm sick and tired of watching $Bill Spencer threaten yet another woman.  Does anybody really believe that he cares about Will?  The only time I was convinced that Bill actually cared for someone was his time with Brooke and that didn't last too long.  $Bill only cares about Will because he's got nobody else in his life.  And Will doesn't have a wife he wants to fuck.  It sounds like $Bill wants to be Will's playmate, not his father.  It's all videogames and burger joints with $Bill.  How about spending some REAL time with his kid? Or maybe $Bill should sit his bullying ass down and think about why NONE of his children want to be around him?  Why every woman he's had children with has grabbed her baby and RUN?  As far as $Bill is concerned, being a father is throwing a beach house at your kid.  There isn't enough real estate in Malibu to make up for $Bill's bullshit.

Do people really find $Bill attractive?  With his too-tight clothing and his over-dyed pompadour?  Is the way he treats people supposed to be masculine?  I guess there are some women who swoon over $Bill, seeing him as some sort of modern day Rhett Butler, but he's a monster.  It really angers me that they threw away Bill and Brooke to prop Hauxdilox up.  Brooke made $Bill a human being.  And he put her first, unlike every other man in her life.  To throw their story away for that slattern was a huge mistake.

Speaking of the slattern, explain to me how anybody who grew up in the fashion industry could be so puffed up with pride over that sad little fashion show?  Bell Jr. is not only incapable of finding competent actors in LA, he can't seem to find any models either.  I worked in apparel in California so if he needs the numbers of a few agencies, I'd be more than happy to hook him up.  And JC Penney has more high fashion lingerie.  Watching Ridge and Hauxdilox, smugly watching those refugees from the mall, clump down the catwalk was tragic.  The brother in the robe was nice looking and he seemed to be having a good time.  Make him an intern and send Zander back to Blighty, for the love of God.

When Robin Givens is giving one of the best performances on the show, it's time to stop, drop and roll.  Her side-eye at Liam was great.  Poor Hope had the decency to feel a little a twinge of shame but Liam doesn't seem to care.  He'll probably roll in with a pregnant Zoe in a few months.

The only person that has any reason for existing is Justin.  He doesn't give a FUCK and he's RIGHT.  Justin knows every one of these motherfuckers is a waste of skin. nd he was WEARING that purple suit. WHERE IS JUSTIN'S STORYLINE?  I'm begging you, Bell.

Edited August 29, 2018 by mightysparrow

[Waldo13]

I deplore sanctimonious ass holes like Thorne.  He makes Bill likable.  Where the heck was Thorne when Aly was having her problems.  He knew about Aly's difficulties but chose to hide in the warehouse.  I rather see Xander, Emma, and Zoey, at this point than Thorne.  

Why did Liam have to explain himself to the doctor. It's LA and I'm sure the doctor has seen this situation many times before. 

[Ohwell]

31 minutes ago, mightysparrow said:

When Robin Givens is giving one of the best performances on the show, it's time to stop, drop and roll. 

I'm laughing so much, I'm gasping for air.  

[CharlizeCat]

I see the B&B spies have been reading here. Glad that they addressed the "family law specialty" issue. Now, I do remember that when Carter first came on the show, he tried to help Dayzee and Maya find Maya's baby or adopted baby or boyfriend's baby (it kept changing.) It wasn't until Carter brought up Mushmouth today that I remembered.

At least Justin came out and admitted that he is not a family law specialist. 

The rest of this crap ... I have no time for.   Seeing milquetoast Liam stroll in with another pregnant woman was indeed good for a cackle. I could see if he were some stud, actor or rock star ... but that? Seriously?  Again, the used the same, fugly, way-too-old fetus picture for the ultrasound. I was hoping Liam would gasp, "Kelly's got a TWIN?" when he looked at the photo.

[Joimiaroxeu]

These cheap ass Forrester men. Thorne could well-afford to hire an attorney who actually specializes in family law. Just like Bill could've hired an actual defense attorney when he was charged with attempted murder. But nooooo, they'd rather just take advantage of Carter. Carter's employment contract with FC must have a pretty solid "...and other duties as assigned" clause. He handles all their weddings, divorces, annulments, custody battles, criminal defenses, parking tickets, jury duty summons. The guy must be a legal superstar.

Nurse: Mr. Spencer? You again? How many women have you knocked up? Should I get the Maury show on the phone?
Dr. Phillips: Uh, Liam, may I have a word with you?
Liam: Let me guess. That word is "manho"?
Nurse: I know two more words: trash dick.
Hope: Tee hee, that's my husband!

[NinjaPenguins]

I believe the word Liam needs to learn is “condom.” Or perhaps “vasectomy.” 

Does Brad Bell have contact with the outside world? Does he interact with other human beings? I’m not seeing any evidence for his being a participant in our society, at least not on my screen. It’s like watching an alien from Uranus play the Sims. The custody story is garbage and makes me hope someone locks Thorne in the basement. 

I’d like to see more Justin, Sally and Wyatt. 

[TigerLynx]

Steffy trying to move on from Liam (not sure why that would be difficult), and get along with Hope for their childrens' sake would be fine if it actually happened.  I don't believe for a moment though that Brad Bell will let the triangle die.  Taylor and Brooke had momentary epiphanies about Ridge which didn't last, and they would wind up right back where they started.  The one that really stands out though is when Stephanie faked her heart attack.  Brooke told Ridge, "You didn't even really choose Taylor.  You chose your mother."  You say that to a guy, if you have any functioning brain cells at all, you realize it is so over.

Bill Spencer is a selfish egotistical jerk, but Thorne, like Ridge, actually ends up making Bill look better.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Bill Spencer is a selfish egotistical jerk, but Thorne, like Ridge, actually ends up making Bill look better.

Yep. I think that's the point, to get the viewers back on Team Dolla. It's kind of clumsy though, IMO, because Thorne and Ridge suddenly pushing for a custody battle over Will makes close to no sense.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Joimiaroxeu

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Yep. I think that's the point, to get the viewers back on Team Dolla. It's kind of clumsy though, IMO, because Thorne and Ridge suddenly pushing for a custody battle over Will makes close to no sense.

I am still trying to figure out why Ridge is sticking his nose into this? Was he getting himself all prepared for a custody fight between Steffy and Liam when Liam married Hope but since that isn't happening, he has to spread his interfering self somewhere else.

[Anna Yolei]

12 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

Bill Spencer is a selfish egotistical jerk, but Thorne, like Ridge, actually ends up making Bill look better.

 

12 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Yep. I think that's the point, to get the viewers back on Team Dolla. It's kind of clumsy though, IMO, because Thorne and Ridge suddenly pushing for a custody battle over Will makes close to no sense.

I hate when shows do this. Why can't they figure out a way to redeem Bill without this manipulative crap or throwing one of the show's marginally decent characters under the bus? Ridge and Thorne have their agendas but there's a good reason why Bill is 3 for 3 for women running off and keeping their sons away from him. Possibly, 4 for 4 if Kelly is his.

[ByTor]

17 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

It really angers me that they threw away Bill and Brooke to prop Hauxdilox up.

Plus to get Brooke & Ridge back together.  Slouchy begs for it, he leaves, and now we're the ones stuck with them!

16 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

 Seeing milquetoast Liam stroll in with another pregnant woman was indeed good for a cackle. I could see if he were some stud, actor or rock star ... but that? Seriously?

*dead*

[CountryGirl]

Work has been crazy of late and so I've been watching here and there. 

What I have seen has made me want to kick my foot through the TV.

Thorne has no fucking business - NONE - interfering in this.

To paraphrase Waiting to Exhale's Savannah (to Robin) only me to Katie: "What have you done in the past few weeks besides screw him that would make Thorne know you so deep that you're letting him lead the charge on getting full custody for Will?"

I also could not believe that he talked about Aly not being the same AFTER HER MOTHER DIED and he wonders what he could have done differently?!?!?

WTAF, dude, maybe not bang her mother's killer.

Elsewhere, I did love RG's looking at Liam like he is the scum of the earth.

Hope, why are you grinning like an idiot? Oh wait...

I rolled my eyes so hard at Steffy telling Hope that she's been on this pregnancy journey and all the joy that's ahead. What "journey," bitch? You laid on the couch under the snot-ridden Blankie of Despair for nine months.

[Anna Yolei]

21 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

 

I also could not believe that he talked about Aly not being the same AFTER HER MOTHER DIED and he wonders what he could have done differently?!?!?

WTAF, dude, maybe not bang her mother's killer.

He said that and I had to watch that with my own two eyes.

This is the same Thorne who, upon telling Macy about Darla's pregnancy, had the audacity to suggest she could adopt the baby and raise it together. 

I mean...not even Ridge had that lack of awareness.

Sigh...

[La di Diva]

Well, he kind of did -- because he wanted Carowhine to continue to lie about Thomas being Douglas' father. Even though it was incredibly obvious that the continued lie was freaking Carowhine out, Sludge was A-ok keeping Thomas from his son for ... reasons. Prime reason being Sludge is a selfish jerk who wants what he wants and the hell with everyone else. 

I really hope Thorne butting into Batie custody battle leads to an epic melt down about Aly's death, how he wasn't there for her, and his overwhelming guilt about her death.  I also want him to tear into Hauxdi for wielding the tire iron.  I believe IR has the chops to pull it off.

Liam seriously, why didn't you tell Hope beforehand that RG was Hauxdi's OB and suggest she find another doctor? Oblivious much? 

This whole set up is just needlessly embarrassing for all concerned.  Maybe this leads to RG letting slip that OPBG was conceived earlier than previously thought. Thereby letting Liam know he's not the baby daddy. One can but dream.

[mightysparrow]

Does Katie get any say in what goes on in her own damn house?  Carter walks in the door and $Bill starts interrogating him, while Katie just stands there.  It's none of Bill's business who visits Katie.

We're supposed to weep bitter tears for poooooooooor $Bill but maybe we should take a trip down memory lane and revisit some recent history.  Didn't $Bill stand in Liam's house and tell Liam how he ($Bill) and Hauxdilox were going to raise Liam's child?  $Bill didn't give a shit about Liam being Kelly's father so why the hell should I care if he's experiencing a little well-deserved karma.

27 minutes ago, La di Diva said:

 

I really hope Thorne butting into Batie custody battle leads to an epic melt down about Aly's death, how he wasn't there for her, and his overwhelming guilt about her death.  I also want him to tear into Hauxdi for wielding the tire iron.  I believe IR has the chops to pull it off.

 

I want this so much.  It makes me sick how Hauxdilox was able to get away with killing Ally who was a LEGACY character.  Just like Taylor got away with killing Ally's mother.  Thorne must have some kind of feelings about what he did to his daughter, having an affair with her mother's killer.  Instead of getting involved in Bill and Katie's story, Thorne should have his own.  I agree that Ingo has the chops to handle it.

I know a lot of people like Sally and Wyatt but I can't help thinking about the possibility of Thorne and Sally getting close.  Sally is a Spectra, a family that meant so much to Darla and Ally.  Thorne and Sally should talk about that.  My wish is that Sally decides that she doesn't want to be a flunky at Forrester when she could have her own fashion house.  At the same time, Thorne realizes that he needs to get away from a company that's being run by his daughter's killer.  Thorne and Sally could team up; he's probably got enough money to bankroll the venture.  Maybe Hope decides that co-parenting AND working with Steffy is a little to close and she joins the new Spectra team. I'm sure Brooke would kick in some cash.   Right now it's all Forrester and Spencer and it's bloody boring.  The actress who plays Sally is so great and all she gets to do is make out with Wyatt.  Give these talented actors something to do!

[Gam2]

I would probably agree with your possibility of Thorne and Sally getting close if it was another actor portraying Thorne. IR just makes me cringe every time I see him trying to speak American. And Thorne? Please speak UP so we can actually hear you trying to speak American. Geez, Louise. This guy just makes me nuts in this role. 

[Waldo13]

Today Ridge needs to STFU. He's nowhere near the greatest father either.  Quinn does have skin in the game because Bill abandoned her and Wyatt but wasn't she the one who got Wyatt to reunite with his father?  Will is a precocious little shit and he has a shit heel for his father but it's still his father.  I have a great idea.  Wyatt should have a heart to heart with the little shit and explain his father's love. 

[ByTor]

40 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

Today Ridge needs to STFU.

Just today? ;-)

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Quinn does have skin in the game because Bill abandoned her and Wyatt but wasn't she the one who got Wyatt to reunite with his father?

IIRC, that was far more Hope. Quinn was very much against it until she wasn't, then started pushing him to Bill to start pay out the pocket (I do remember her demanding Bill give Wyatt his last name at some point).

Even still, current stability aside, I haven't forgot how utterly pushy she was with Wyatt not that long ago. Also, Liam who  is the second biggest shit waffle on the show but he didn't deserve what Quinn did any more than Brooke did. Quinn can still stuff it.

Edited August 31, 2018 by Anna Yolei

[Sharon]

So has the long reveal of baby Kelly’s bio dad just started?  Kelly has a fever, no doubt a doctor visit coming.  Liam won’t be able to donate (something)because he’s not a match.....

[CharlizeCat]

I wish that were the case. However (sadly) I think it is just a plot device to make Hope realize what life is going to be like with Liam's divided loyalties between Kelly/Steffy and Hope/??? You could already see the seeds of doubt today in Brooke's furrowed brow when Hope explained the situation about Kelly's fever. Then, I think that through Brooke's hesitant response, that it finally dawned on Hope, that she's going to have to put up with this for at least the next 18 years. Probably much much longer.

Why does Brooke allow her husband to talk to her the way he does? Berating her while surrounded by a conference table full of people was rude and boorish behavior. Brooke wasn't "defending" Bill. All that she stated was that Bill is Will's father -- a true fact.  I would probably have responded with something along the lines of "Well, Bill might not be around as much as he should, but thankfully, Will, isn't old enough for Bill to be obsessing over his ADULT CHILD'S SEX LIFE!" Creep. 

Even though I hate this SL, at least we get to see a decent acting crew for a change. HT and DD were really bringing it today. So was that kid who plays Will. 

As much as it pains me to say it, I thought that Steffy looked pretty good today. I guess part of her character redemption is to soften the harsh makeup and ditch the all black/leather/metal wardrobe. 

Was Hope wearing one of the BOGO HFTF scarves today?

Edited August 31, 2018 by CharlizeCat

[TigerLynx]

Brooke spent decades chasing Ridge and begging him to be with her.  Brooke will put up with anything in order to hang onto Ridge.

Why are Hope and Brooke acting so stunned that Liam might pay attention to Kelly when she is sick?  Hope and Brooke knew Steffy was married to Liam and pregnant with Liam's baby before Hope ever jumped into bed with Liam.  It's not like Steffy and Kelly showed up on Liam and Hope's door step after Liam and Hope were married saying surprise you're a daddy.

It would be hilarious if it's revealed that Liam is not the father of Hope's baby - cue entrance of European boyfriend.  Then it's revealed that Bill is Kelly's father.  Especially if it causes Ridge to have a fatal heart attack, followed by Brooke committing suicide because she can't live without Ridge.

[ByTor]

10 hours ago, TigerLynx said:

It would be hilarious if it's revealed that Liam is not the father of Hope's baby - cue entrance of European boyfriend.  Then it's revealed that Bill is Kelly's father. 

Leaving Liam in a corner opening and closing his guppy lips, astounded that he is *gasp* alone!

[RuntheTable]

Bill’s Side

Yes, Bill did function as Will’s caregiver in his infancy as Katie struggled with PPD and alcoholism. However, PPD is not organic, it is a sickness, and it pisses me off in a very intense way when men ridicule a woman who has/is dealing with it. There is no shame in having PPD; the shame is when it is not treated. Of course I have to side eye Katie’s “treatment” at Taylor’s hands, but she still sought help. Alcoholism is also a sickness. Compounding that is the fact that Bill played a big part in Katie and the bottle. As much as I loved Brill, I can’t deny their relationship was a big part of Katie’s decent into alcoholism. But, just like with the PPD, Katie helped herself, and to date has not fallen off the wagon. I also cannot leave out Katie’s break with reality when she was pursuing Eric, and drew Charlie’s gun on Quinn. The situation was none of her business, but she inserted herself right in the middle of the fray, and found herself pointing a weapon at someone.

Katie’s Side

Bill has been absent from Will’s life for months. I think this would be easier to take if Bill had not been pursuing his daughter-in-law. But Bill’s issues are so much deeper than Steffy. There is no doubt that many of Bill’s problems stem from his father, but there are some things that are just part of a person’s genetic make-up and have nothing to do with how they were parented. Right out of the gate you have to consider two women who did not know each other; one kind (Kelly), and one um………er……….somewhat different (Quinn), who both knew the best thing for their child was to keep them away from their father. In Bill’s defense, he couldn’t father kids he knew nothing about, and props to him that he was able to cobble out a relationship with his grown sons. But there is still that element of “here, son, take this house” as a show of love and affection. Now, there is nothing wrong with gifting loved ones with nice, expensive presents, but it should not be a replacement for their love, and time spent together. Overall Bill has been a good dad to Will; the fact that Will is hurt and confused supports that. So, I am not so sure this blip should be the end all for shared custody. However, that really isn’t the end of it with Bill. You have to consider all the things he did to Liam outside of shagging his wife and asking her to marry him. Bill is an arsonist. Bill dropped a building on his son. Bill punched his son. All horrible, terrible things, but what is so much worse, is the way Bill has always ridiculed Liam, and made fun of the kind of person Liam is. I realize that was often in jest, and was said to Liam’s face in a joking fashion. What I am referring to were all those secret, clandestine meetings with Steffy before GuestHouseGate. He tore Liam to shreds; his words not funny and lighthearted, but mean and nasty. And we cannot forget his treatment of Wyatt. How he destroyed his relationship with Katie. Bellowing about how disgusting it was, as Bill was all the while romancing his DIL. I also remember a time Bill was threatening Wyatt with disinheritance because Wyatt stood up to him about Will. Bill’s problem is Bill. He doesn’t know how to give in, he doesn’t know how to make amends, he doesn’t know how to be a decent person because he is an arrogant narcissist.

Summary

Katie and Bill have both had their struggles, at the end of the day though, I would have to say that Katie has at least tried to overcome and contain hers. I also like how she has not tried to push any agenda with Will, and has only been supportive of Bill with their son. I wonder if the tables were turned would Bill have been as gracious about Katie? Bill has not shown any growth, nor has he shown any desire to grow and learn.  He is Bill Spencer, and he does what he does without compunction or consequences. For this reason alone, I would find myself siding with Katie in this mess.

But I can’t. If this were Katie’s decision I might be able to get behind it, but Katie has clearly been unsure and hesitant. No, this decision was made by the creepiest, creeper, who ever creeped. Thorne needs to go pound sand. You weren’t there for Alley when she needed you most. You were involved with her mother’s killer. You shunted her off to hospitals instead of keeping her close and helping her. You can’t make this right by interfering in Will’s parentage. So, Thorne, my man, I am going to bake you a yummy custody pie, and serve it to you with a nicely chilled glass of STFU.

Justin and Bill were on fire! And I so appreciated how Justin was just plain and to the point with Bill:

Bill “That’s my chair”

Justin “I thought you were off overcompensating for disappointing your kid”

 

Bill “No. No. No. I mean, what does that look like in 10 or 15 years?”

Justin “I mean, he’ll be all grown up, and hopefully by then, you will be too”

 

Bill “He’ll be another young man walking through that door, breaking my back, accusing me of not being around for him and not giving a damn about him or his mother”

Justin “Do what you normally do; give him a house”

 

Bill “No one can accuse me of neglecting my son; I mean Will. And even if I was, I didn’t realize I was doing it. How am I supposed to know what fatherhood looks like with the way I was raised?”

Justin “If you’re thinking of using this as a defense tactic in court? Don’t. Judges are used to fathers who don’t know what to do. There’s no law saying an idiot can’t have children. But most fathers, they know how to show up. Except for you”

 

I guess I am one of the few, but I found the hospital scenes hilarious.

A few posts ago I mentioned that I saw a blurb about Annika Noelle visiting an animal rescue I support. Well, I commented about it on her page, and she very graciously responded. Now, I think I have commented on Instagram like once in my life, and never got a response from the recipient. What I notice on AN’s page is she is very responsive and gracious with her fans. I like her more and more every day.

Edited August 31, 2018 by RuntheTable

[mightysparrow]

Thank you @RuntheTable for pointing out that post-partum depression is an illness as is alcoholism.  I don't like Katie much, but her PPD wasn't a moral failing.  She was SICK.  The fact that it brought Bill and Brooke together made it a bonus in my eyes, but still.  And just like you said, Katie HELPED HERSELF over her depression and her alcoholism.  What does $Bill suffer from?  'I'm an asshole because my daddy was mean' -itis?  Is there a cure for that?

If Katie wants to get sole custody of her child because his father is a toxic asshole then that's great.  But it has to be what KATIE wants.  Right now it looks like Ridge is pulling Thorne's strings and Thorne is pulling Katie's strings.

I think Katie should get some therapy for her child.  Look how fucked up Liam and Wyatt are and they met their father when they were adults!  With $Bill in his life as he grows, Will is likely to turn into a serial killer unless he AND his parents get that child some help.

Brooke needs to drop 180+lbs of toxic waste.  Ridge doesn't get to speak to her like that AT WORK.  I don't care how long she's been chasing him.  Some people seem to think that means that she shouldn't be treated like a human being.  Last time I checked, Brooke never killed anybody but it seems that those who have are the ones who should get their asses kissed. 

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I guess I am one of the few, but I found the hospital scenes hilarious.

I thought so too.  Hope knows her man and she knows the situation she's in.  I thought she (and to a lesser extent Liam) did her best to get through an awkward situation with as much humour and grace as she could.  Once again, it seems that Hope being a GOOD person is cause to mock her and wish her ill.  Maybe if she shot someone, she'd get a bit more respect. 

I don't think the deus machina of the 'European boyfriend' who is the REAL father of Hope's baby is going to happen unless she's given birth to a baby elephant.  Hope was NOT pregnant during all of Steffy's pregnancy.  And her fetus sure seems small for a 10+month old pregnancy.  Hope isn't the type of woman to be unsure WHO the father of her baby is.  That's Liam's OTHER baby-mama.

 

[ByTor]

The only thing that is bothering me about the custody thing is that poor Will thinks his dad doesn't even like him.  Stripping custody from Bill can only serve to a) make Will think his dad dislikes him all the more, or b) make Will resent his mom for what appears to be her being the cause of Bill not spending any time with him.