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[A-Lo]

On ‎03‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 10:41 PM, grisgris said:

I don't understand that at all.  However, I'm reading a thriller novel right now and the CSI people are trying to extract fingerprints from concrete by using Super Glue and water, so what do I know? LOL!

I truly wish that Thomas would read Hauxdi for filth for her part in the "Caro-whine is dying" saga. Sally, Liam and Hope all need to be present for the dressing-down. The more public, the better. But, Hauxdi would probably call Liam out for knowing about the plot all along, which would break Sally's heart. (I don't mean romantically, but it would just obliterate all of her trust in and respect for him.) But ... maybe now that she has Thomas back and is heading off for a fresh start in NYC, she won't GAF.

I don't understand why Hauxdi and Bope (love that!) are skulking around the hospital. Indeed, they do look like two vultures. Liam needs to grow a pair back and tell those two preying mantis to take a hike and leave him alone.

I had completely forgotten that Liam knew all about the Caroline lie.  I wonder if even the actors can keep up with all of the stupid plotlines they're paid to carry out each day?

[jenrising]

Ugh, this triangle is killing me. While it's true Hope (and Brooke) shouldn't be butting in, Liam definitely deserves to know that Bill proposed to Steffy, and that she's still hiding things from him.

Have we even seen Boss Man Hot Dog eating yet? This promotion has changed him. 

[nkotb]

This is mean, but true. JMW is such a horrible actress. When she was standing there, between her betrayed-at-her-hands husband, & the actual, true love of his life, & the detective mentioned to Liam that he knows that there was animosity between father & son, because $Bill slept with Liam's wife, a good actress would have had the decency to look a little embarrassed, or at least annoyed. JMW just stood there like the detective had said "I saw a blade of grass on my way inside." Ugh, how'd we get rid of LG & several other good actors, yet she is brought back & constantly front-burner?? She's probably a nice person, but an actor of great talent, she ain't.

[Waldo13]

Det Blabbermouth just needed to tell the 3 stooges that he was off to question Wyatt. Hope is almost as annoying as Stuffy. They both need to STFU. So Liam was there by 7:30 but what happened before that?  

How did Det Blabbermouth know where Wyatt would be?  

Hope told Liam about Bill proposing to Stuffy had to happen because Stuffy would have never told Liam herself.  Kudos to Hope because anything that comes between Stuffy and Liam I'm for. 

Edited March 20, 2018 by Waldo13

[mightysparrow]

I understand that Hope wants to support Liam during this difficult time.  But that support doesn't need to be 24/7 and if he says she doesn't need to go with him to his roach motel, SHE DOESN'T NEED TO GO!  That being said, I'm happy that Hope told Liam about Bill proposing to Hauxdilox if only because Hauxdilox is STILL an arrogant, entitled bitch who deserves every bad thing that comes her way.  What right does she have to interrogate Brooke?  Hope is Brooke's daughter and if Hauxdi didn't want Brooke to tell her OWN DAUGHTER another of her shameful secrets, she should have kept her yap shut.  Hauxdi has had plenty of time to tell Liam what happened; she could have used some of the time she spent kneeling at her feet, rubbing her belly.  Is there any doubt that Hauxdilox would have broken land-speed records to tell Liam if the roles had been reversed?  It's past time that someone did to Hauxdi what she has done to EVERY OTHER WOMAN ON THE SHOW.

[grisgris]

I wish the mystery shooter would come back and commit a double homicide of Ridge and Justin.  Why can't Wyatt throw that rasping sycophant out of the building? Better yet, out the window.

Hope had every right to tell Liam about the Still proposal because, right, if the shoe were on the other foot, Hauxdi wouldn't have wasted a second to spill the tea.  I don't think she needed to tag along with Liam while he went to the hotel to change clothes (thank God!) She could have pulled him aside at the hospital and told him, which would have been better, as Hauxdi was right there.

During the public discussion of the Still boink, I thought Steffy looked indignant, rather than embarrassed.  It was more like a petulant child being reminded in passing that she pulled her sister's hair or something. Not a shred of humiliation or contrition.

Brooke looked stunning in that green dress and her hair up. (I hope that's not a sign that she's letting it grow out long and stringy again.) KKL and TK just have zilch chemistry. It's too bad that Taylor isn't returning, because I think HTy and TK would make a perfect couple.  They'd match better in the looks department and I just think they'd have great chemistry.  That could free Brooke up for Thorne. Wishful thinking.

BTW ... where has Thorne been?  Brad Bell treats actors/actresses like shiny new toys. Once the newness and luster has worn off, he discards them. However, he can't get rid of nuHope fast enough to suit me. She is awful.  After watching KM on "L.A. to Vegas," I now realize how hard she had to work to pull JMW up to a passing grade during all of their scenes together. (SC and DB did their fair share of the heavy lifting, too.)  KM is like Meryl Streep compared to this new chick.

[TigerLynx]

Why can't just one character on this show mind their own damn business?  It's not that I think any of them are entitled to their privacy because most of them are lying, cheating, despicable, self-righteous, judgmental hypocrites, but it would be nice if just one character could say, "I don't meddle in your life.  Stay out of mine."  And for it to be true.

[Anna Yolei]

Ha! Good luck with that. The only truly decent characters B&B ever had were Bridget and Phoebe. The former got shat on so much that the two times she did pull something really WTF, I could hardly blame her for it. And the latter got killed off after sharing exactly one episode with the then newly SORASed Steffy, which makes me wonder why the hell did Bell even bother making them twins to begin with.

[TobinAlbers]

On 3/20/2018 at 9:48 AM, A-Lo said:

I had completely forgotten that Liam knew all about the Caroline lie.  I wonder if even the actors can keep up with all of the stupid plotlines they're paid to carry out each day?

Technically there is supposed to be a continuity editor with a huuuuuge notebook, spreadsheet, digital spreadsheet and sometimes white board that keeps up with all of who knows what and when, what clothes they wore, when a character was on last, etc. so that they can quickly and easily refer to it. Technically.

16 hours ago, grisgris said:

I wish the mystery shooter would come back and commit a double homicide of Ridge and Justin.  Why can't Wyatt throw that rasping sycophant out of the building? Better yet, out the window.

Awww I love Justin vs Wyatt. These two are the overlooked taken for granted lumps in $Bill's life while Liam was showered with 'love' and 'attention'. Each feels they rightfully should be in charge of Spencer Pub - Justin for allllllllll the dirty crap shit he's done as Bill's righthand man; all the years he's been in the service of Spencer Pub; and he knows the ins and outs and where the bodies are buried and Wyatt because he's the spare heir who has put in time at the company and uh.....isn't Liam and uh....well was sired by Bill? In any case, I much prefer Wyatt vs Justin as it actually makes me root for Wyatt but it allows the actors to get their power game faces on.  It's a welcome change from Wyatt moping over his insecurities of Liam and Justin kissing Bill's ass. Neither of these men feel intimidated by the other nor have any reason to pull punches so....fiiiight!

[Waldo13]

Liam tells Stuffy that once again his father betrayed him and all Stuffy can say "what happened" when she knows damn well what happened.  If Stuffy was ever going to tell Liam about the proposal, than pigs actually fly. 

Under normal circumstances, Det Blabbermouth just put his investigation in jeopardy by providing information, to Bill, of what happened when Bill didn't remember.  In a trial, it's called leading the witness. We saw Bill shot in the back while he was gazing out in space so how could he know who shot him?  Are we now going to have another revision of history ala misunderstanding night?  Was Bill shot in the back as he was trying to run away?  I'm bracing myself for more stupidity in writing. 

[slayer2]

Well Steffy, there was that moment in time when you were glowing and somehow had occasion to tell him the dinner menu but not what his fucking father did. Don't lie Steffy, you would never have told him. 

 

Also, agreed, Detective Penguin is the dumbest "detective" alive. Leading the witness and blabbing his mouth about everything to anyone who will listen. Worst "detecting" skills EVER. I'm gobsmacked. Truly.

Edited March 22, 2018 by slayer2

[Petunia13]

Ugh I think it was Thorne even though he has really no motive. It just seems like he's floating around with nothing to do and he's a key character. 

Bill probably use his memory loss and any physical weakness to manipulate people. 

Brooke looks so pretty in green with her ocean green eyes, her hair was very elegant swept back with a few tendrils falling loose, and her eye makeup was very on trend. 

Liam. Is. An. Adult. No one seems to think so, they need to him some dignity and backbone. Nice guy soap characters can have confidence and direction. Ryan on The OC for one, Nathan on OTH, Dwayne Wayne on A Different World. 

[La di Diva]

Anyone else get the distinct feeling during their scene today that Brooke really doesn't like Hauxdi?  I thought Brooke was giving Hauxdi the definite stink eye when she told her that Liam deserves to know about the Bill proposal.  I think it was obvious to Brooke (and to us) that Hauxdi has no intention of telling Liam anything at all about it.

Of course it's not up to Hope to tell Liam, and and yes she has an ulterior motive, whether she admits it to herself or not. But ... Hope also knows Hauxdi, and she knows Hauxdi won't tell Liam, and Liam does deserve to know,  Giving Hope a pass on this one.

[grisgris]

Listen! Listen! Hear that? However, faint, that sound you hear are the first tiny cracks in Garbridge.  Brooke unwittingly is letting Hope do the dirty work by being unable to keep her trap shut. So while Brooke is giving lip service to supporting Steam, she's actually giving Hope ammunition to blow the sham of a marriage wide open. The sad thing, is that I don't even think Brooke is consciously aware of what she's doing. It's so ingrained in her. Sad.

Let me back up and say that I think Liam definitely deserves to know the truth and hear it from Hauxdi. Barring that, maybe next in line should have been Sludge. Anybody but Hope.

We need Capt. Baker directly on this case. This wet-behind-the-ears rookie is awful. He should have just made it easy for Bill and asked him point-blank (sorry) if Ridge shot him and allow a head nod or shake as a response.

Re: Sludge and Nope. I wonder if the actress playing Hope and TK don't like each other or don't get along. She seems to shrink into herself when she's in scenes with him, like she's afraid of him. I know there is animosity between the two characters, but Ridge is/was/is Hope's stepfather. It reminds me of a child who is terrified of an adult who has either physically or emotionally abused them. Either there are genuine bad vibes there IRL or she is way over-acting. Given her otherwise less-than-stellar acting chops, I guess it's up to interpretation.

[mightysparrow]

17 minutes ago, La di Diva said:

Anyone else get the distinct feeling during their scene today that Brooke really doesn't like Hauxdi?  I thought Brooke was giving Hauxdi the definite stink eye when she told her that Liam deserves to know about the Bill proposal.  I think it was obvious to Brooke (and to us) that Hauxdi has no intention of telling Liam anything at all about it.

Of course it's not up to Hope to tell Liam, and and yes she has an ulterior motive, whether she admits it to herself or not. But ... Hope also knows Hauxdi, and she knows Hauxdi won't tell Liam, and Liam does deserve to know,  Giving Hope a pass on this one.

 

I think Hope should have stayed out of it.  But I also agree with you; Hauxdi wasn't going to tell Liam.  There was plenty of time before the call came in about Bill.  Hauxdi could have told Liam while she was serving dinner.  But she was trying to pull the old 'cha cha cha' with the girlish voice and the doe eyes.

The reason why I think that Hope should have kept her mouth shut is because this is going to become ALL ABOUT HOPE and her feelings for Liam instead of what it should be all about; Hauxdi fucking her father in law.  Liam can get as mad at Bill as he wants, shouting about how Bill wants to take HIS wife and HIS baby but the truth is that, once again, HIS wife kept him in the dark.  She was on her knees in front of him, rubbing her belly but she didn't take a second to tell him the truth.  Liam's married to a lying slattern.  He's always known it but now it's impossible for him to ignore.

I also see trouble between Brooke and Ridge in the very near future.  They're NEWLYWEDS and poor Brooke has had to listen to Ridge's bloodthirsty rants about Bill ever since she tossed the bouquet, not to mention that he's THIS close to going off on her daughter for dropping a dime on his slatternly daughter.  Brooke had an epiphany in Australia and she's not the same person.  Her 'destiny' changed and now she married to a sloppy, greasy bum who she doesn't like very much.  Free Brooke!

Edited March 22, 2018 by mightysparrow

[grisgris]

Why doesn't Lame grow a pair and send an attorney (not Justin) over to Hauxdi's and put the heat on her to sign the annulment papers? Sheesh.

I know.

[A-Lo]

I'm sorry...I've tried with this nuHope but I just can't.  There is something that is just so boring about this actress' being.  She has very few facial expressions and absolutely no warmth.  Plus, the hair dept is doing her no favors with that plastered-to-the-skull 'do they have her in everyday which makes her more unattractive than she probably is.  Watching her act is like watching paint dry.  Do others have this same feeling or has she just not been given enough to do range-wise?

[Joimiaroxeu]

Just caught up on the last two episodes:

Det. Sanchez: Liam, did you try to kill your father?
Liam: No! How dare you!
Steffy: Of course he didn't! He was with me! I'm his alibi!
Hope: Of course he didn't! He's a good person!
Det. Sanchez: KTHXBYE!

Justin talks like he's doing a Colt 45 malt liquor commercial. Yo, J, Billy Dee Williams called and he wants his voice back.

OMG, Hope. Just had to trip all over yourself to run tell Liam about the proposal, huh? Girl, if you were any more transparent you'd have to use Windex as a body wash.

Ditto comment upthread, Bill got shot in the back so how is he going to know who shot him? Det. Sanchez is...less than fully competent, I think.

I liked Brooke's green and white dress. Very apropos for the first day of spring. But, it's a little young for her, eh?

[TobinAlbers]

3 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

There was plenty of time before the call came in about Bill.

Hey, now, it's not like she knew she was on the clock before it all went to hell with Bill getting shot, launching a police investigation where everyone would be suspects and her dumb slip to Brooke would come back to bite her when Brooke slipped to Hope who was going to tell Liam that the father whose bed he was hovering next to had popped the question to his pregnant with his child wife and thus giving him a yuuuuuge motive to try to Kill Bill.

She thought she had more time not to tell him ?

I still say Liam did it. I think he peeped the proposal through the window, blocked it out, later went into a rage blackout and shot Bill.

They totally should've shown us Liam really hitting the skids- drinking, losing time, angry, moody, disappearing so that it really would be plausible that he did it and the killer use his spiral to their advantage. I could totally buy Justin rationalizing 'safely' shooting Bill and doing it to 'help' Bill by permanently getting rid of Liam in such a way that he's no longer an heir to Spencer, Steffy would want nothing to do with him and turn to Bill. Bill gets Steffy and a baby and Justin has gotten rid of the 'problem' of Liam by sending him to prison and Bill writing him off.

2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Ditto comment upthread, Bill got shot in the back so how is he going to know who shot him? Det. Sanchez is...less than fully competent, I think.

 

Is there any way Bill could've caught the reflection of the killer's face in an adjacent patio door window? I think that's the only way he could actually know unless he paid the shooter.

[nkotb]

13 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Ugh I think it was Thorne even though he has really no motive. It just seems like he's floating around with nothing to do and he's a key character. 

Bill probably use his memory loss and any physical weakness to manipulate people. 

Brooke looks so pretty in green with her ocean green eyes, her hair was very elegant swept back with a few tendrils falling loose, and her eye makeup was very on trend. 

Liam. Is. An. Adult. No one seems to think so, they need to him some dignity and backbone. Nice guy soap characters can have confidence and direction. Ryan on The OC for one, Nathan on OTH, Dwayne Wayne on A Different World. 

That was the BIGGEST smile I've had all day! I loved Dwayne Wayne, & I really, really loved Dwayne & Whitley, the first couple I ever shipped, because I really, really, really loved Whitley. It's honestly still one of my top 5 favorite shows ever, & she's one of my top 10 favorite characters ever. Seriously, our show should cast both of them. It'd add some much-needed diversity - the closest thing we have right now is a sainted, untouchable, transgender character, played by a non-transgender actor, who's never on, plus, Justin, who most likely shot his boss in greed, & the missing African-American family of the afore-mentioned transgender character, who lives somewhere away, but still follows & reports the news of shootings in LA to their grown daughter, via telephone, never in person, lest we see them & our show have to pay them. It'd be especially good if either Dwayne or Whitley marched in a rainbow-flag-friendly parade, like Ridge did in Europe, according to $Bill & pictures, but that's probably silly talk, we all know that there are no homosexuals in LA, & certainly not in the fashion business. Best of all, you know, both of those actors can act, which is probably a drawback, because, Steffy and her amazing acting ability must be front & center, & she can't be shown up. We have "The Wonder Years" Mom, & the "Small Wonder" dad, let's just go for the gold & add Dwayne & Whitley! 

[CountryGirl]

I've been watching here and there since the shooting and Tally reunion.

I'm thinking either Bill saw the reflection or perhaps we'll get a shot of the killer standing there, smiling gleefully over his unconscious body. Or it really is exactly as we saw, where Bill has no idea who shot him, but will finger Ridge anyway.

I loved that green dress, upswept hair and perfect makeup on KKL. She just glowed...

She also glowered...at Ridge and I'm loving the continued cracks in the GarBridge marriage and her concern for Bill. Not that I want a Brill reunion or anything, but I'd love it if Brooke realized Ridge was just a rebound and that she can be on her own. Pigs will fly by my window before that happens, likely, but a girl can dream.

Elsewhere, HT is back on social media...coincidence?

[CountryGirl]

34 minutes ago, nkotb said:

That was the BIGGEST smile I've had all day! I loved Dwayne Wayne, & I really, really loved Dwayne & Whitley, the first couple I ever shipped, because I really, really, really loved Whitley. It's honestly still one of my top 5 favorite shows ever, & she's one of my top 10 favorite characters ever. Seriously, our show should cast both of them. It'd add some much-needed diversity - the closest thing we have right now is a sainted, untouchable, transgender character, played by a non-transgender actor, who's never on, plus, Justin, who most likely shot his boss in greed, & the missing African-American family of the afore-mentioned transgender character, who lives somewhere away, but still follows & reports the news of shootings in LA to their grown daughter, via telephone, never in person, lest we see them & our show have to pay them. It'd be especially good if either Dwayne or Whitley marched in a rainbow-flag-friendly parade, like Ridge did in Europe, according to $Bill & pictures, but that's probably silly talk, we all know that there are no homosexuals in LA, & certainly not in the fashion business. Best of all, you know, both of those actors can act, which is probably a drawback, because, Steffy and her amazing acting ability must be front & center, & she can't be shown up. We have "The Wonder Years" Mom, & the "Small Wonder" dad, let's just go for the gold & add Dwayne & Whitley! 

I loved them, too, and here's one of my favorite moments:

Loved hearing that Kadeem ad-libbed the "baby, please!" part (because he had forgotten his line) but OMG, it just WORKED!

Topic? They are the gold standard for the soap trope of "does anyone object?" part of the ceremony.

[nkotb]

^^ Now, THAT is how you stop a wedding! It was the best TV wedding in history! I love that he ad-libbed, that was one of those things they just had to go with 1 shot, because the audience reaction wouldn't have been as good in subsequent shots, & it's so loud & long you can barely hear the actual vows! I wish I could feel a smidge bad for Byron Douglas, but neh, I'm just happy, even 26 years later! 

On topic, that is exactly what's missing from our show. Dwayne & Whitley just had "it", whatever that was. Chemistry? Actual acting ability? Screen presence? They had it. The only couple I'd say that show legit chemistry on our show, are Thomas & Sally. I might be in the minority, but I really thought Ridge & Caroline II did, too. Possibly Brill, but that was always so short-lived, I'm not exactly sure. 

The supercouple days of Luke & Laura, or Patch & Kayla, even Danny & Cricket, are over, I get that, but there's just nothing these days to get very excited about. "Love in the Afternoon" is long gone, I'm afraid. Yet, I stick around.

Edited March 22, 2018 by nkotb
Trying to stay on-topic.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

Elsewhere, HT is back on social media...coincidence?

I assume you mean Tylo, right?

Taylor doesn't need to stay full time, but it would be nice to see her pop in for a few weeks. She was definitely needed during the Douglas story. Just keep her far away from Brooke

[CountryGirl]

23 minutes ago, Anna Yolei said:

I assume you mean Tylo, right?

Taylor doesn't need to stay full time, but it would be nice to see her pop in for a few weeks. She was definitely needed during the Douglas story. Just keep her far away from Brooke

Yep. There are rumors she is the shooter (but there are rumors about a lot of folks being the shooter). I was never a big Taylor fan so I couldn't care less if she's back on canvas unless it's to take her slattern daughter and hobo ex-husband out of town.

[lightninggirl]

Out of the majority of the suspects, Pam would make a lot of sense mentally (to me) due to her issues, but I think that the writers are setting her (and pretty much everyone else) up as a red herring.

When Liam was first talking with Det. Pipsqueak in the hospital, he said, "I hope you catch the man... I hope you catch the person who did this to my father!" I'm not sure who else heard that, but I'm wondering if SC slipped up and they just didn't edit it out - that a male actually shot $Bill. I really hope it's not Thorne because there's no reason to just slop something else on him for pretty much no reason.

I also think that $Bill is going to lie his fool ass off about who shot him, so I'm not betting on anything that comes out of his mouth to be what really happened.

[TigerLynx]

On 3/21/2018 at 10:40 AM, Anna Yolei said:

Ha! Good luck with that. The only truly decent characters B&B ever had were Bridget and Phoebe. The former got shat on so much that the two times she did pull something really WTF, I could hardly blame her for it. And the latter got killed off after sharing exactly one episode with the then newly SORASed Steffy, which makes me wonder why the hell did Bell even bother making them twins to begin with.

True.  Bridget and Phoebe should still be on canvas.  Then there would be at least two likeable characters, and if Steffy was whining to them about her problems, it would make sense.

Why would Taylor shoot Bill?  I would think if either Taylor or Brooke were going to snap and shoot anyone, it would be Ridge, or in Brooke's case maybe Stephanie if she were still alive.  Not that I have any sympathy left for either Taylor or Brooke when it comes to Ridge, but one of them could do the rest of us a favor, and end the idiot for good.

Speaking of idiots, Hope you are a fool.  You shouldn't be wasting time on Liam.  I guess Brooke doesn't want any better for her daughter than she did for herself.  Brooke has the destiny she's been chasing for decades, and she doesn't look to happy about it, but she gives Hope ammunition to use against Steffy, and Hope runs right to Liam with it.  If Hope is really lucky, Liam will dump Steffy, and be with Hope for all of two seconds before he waffles again.

[Anna Yolei]

As someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill hired someone someone to shoot him for attention. That's a Bill thing to do.

[TobinAlbers]

44 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

When Liam was first talking with Det. Pipsqueak in the hospital, he said, "I hope you catch the man... I hope you catch the person who did this to my father!" I'm not sure who else heard that, but I'm wondering if SC slipped up and they just didn't edit it out - that a male actually shot $Bill.

That's either the writers trying to mislead the audience by having them assume, because Liam is assuming, that the culprit is a man so we can be 'shocked' when it's a woman or Liam is intentionally trying to lead the detective away from the culprit because he knows who did it (or thinks he did) and it's a woman and he's protecting them.

Liam's overcompensation to vow who did this to Bill screams more to me that he was the one who shot Bill and subconsciously knows it/feels guilty and is trying to 'make up' for it. While no one on this show would really say boo to him about it (Rick's shot at Ridge, Thorne's shot Ridge, Steffy shot Sheila, Pam terrorized Donna, Quinn terrorized Liam) Liam in his right mind would become a ball of self-loathing that he was twisted up so much that he shot Bill and blocked it out. You can feel like you want to murder someone but to actually do it is a line he thinks he'd never cross. Hell, immediately post Captive Cabin he had Quinn backed up against a wall with his hand nearly at her throat at one point and backed off once he saw himself in the mirror and was disgusted by what he saw. Then again, maybe that's when the break inside him occurred and just finally manifested in a man of action to take out Bill.  His 'dark side' backed down once, but it wasn't going to do it again with Bill.

As much as Liam waffles, he's also been verbally and psychologically stomped on a LOT by Bill, Steffy, Hope, Wyatt, and Quinn. It'd be no surprise for him to have had a breakdown.

[MulletorHater]

3 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

I've been watching here and there since the shooting and Tally reunion.

I'm thinking either Bill saw the reflection or perhaps we'll get a shot of the killer standing there, smiling gleefully over his unconscious body. Or it really is exactly as we saw, where Bill has no idea who shot him, but will finger Ridge anyway.

I loved that green dress, upswept hair and perfect makeup on KKL. She just glowed...

She also glowered...at Ridge and I'm loving the continued cracks in the GarBridge marriage and her concern for Bill. Not that I want a Brill reunion or anything, but I'd love it if Brooke realized Ridge was just a rebound and that she can be on her own. Pigs will fly by my window before that happens, likely, but a girl can dream.

Elsewhere, HT is back on social media...coincidence?

I'm just glad they got Brooke out of that matronly suit jacket that aged her by 10 years.  How is it that Sludge always manages to look as if he has not even a passing acquaintance with soap, water, a toothbrush or a comb?

I saw how giddy HT's fans are that she is back on Twitter and FB--as a blonde now.  So, I also have to wonder if this is more than a coincidence.

I can't tell you how disappointed I am that nu-Hope was brought back solely to be all up in Lame and Skankerella's dead end marriage.  She's another one who needs to be freed ASAP.  I haven't paid a lot of attention to this mess but when I finally caught Kim Matula on her new show Tuesday night, it finally hit me what is so wrong with the recast.  KM simply sparkles and her comedic timing is on point.  It's as if nu-Hope barely registers a pulse and they persist in dressing her as if she has a starring role in The Handmaid's Tale.  Nor, do I see any chemistry between the actress and SC.  Nor, am I down with the inconsistent writing.  The martyrdom is simply beyond irritating at this point.  Why can't ONE person whom Skankerella wronged unapologetically drag her ass for filth and leave it?  

As for Skankerella, let me see if I've got this straight.  How does a stank ho who fucked three men in the same family in a year form her overly rouged lips to "confront" somebody about something she told someone else?  Bitch, please.  The next time you don't want your little secrets to get out, keep your mouth--as well as your legs--closed.   Next time, don't use some faux crisis as a pretext to hop on Pop.  Don't even get me started on the fact that her burgeoning belly is her latest Teflon coating, as Lottie, Dotty and everybody will bend over backwards not to upset the delicate Madonna.

I know that this "Who Shot Bill?" or "Kill Bill" nonsense is supposed to generate some excitement and a much-needed ratings bump as the show has been consistently last in those all important demos.  I just can't get worked up about it because this storyline arc is indicative of what is wrong with the show overall.  Hardly anyone is acting in character and it's all plot, plot, plot.  Please wake me when it's revealed that Bill actually orchestrated this shooting himself to "kill" several birds with one stone.

PS:  RuntheTable, I have to say that I admire you for your strength.  Thank you so much for sharing your story with us.

[Cool Breeze]

To be fair, Steffy did tell Brooke about the proposal "in confidence".  To explain why she told Hope, she admitted Steffy "confided" in her and she needed to "confide" in Hope.  Then, Hope said Brooke told her about the proposal "in confidence".  

It's as if Hope and Brooke don't understand the meaning of the word they're using.

[MulletorHater]

All that confiding "in confidence," and yet Skankerella can't form her lips to say something to her husband?  How much trouble would it have been for her stop rubbing her pregnancy pad long enough to say, "Hey, Liam!  You won't believe what your crazy ass dad did now!"

Fact of the matter is just like the paternity test, she wasn't going to tell Liam jack shit.

[jenrising]

3 minutes ago, MulletorHater said:

All that confiding "in confidence," and yet Skankerella can't form her lips to say something to her husband?  How much trouble would it have been for her stop rubbing her pregnancy pad long enough to say, "Hey, Liam!  You won't believe what your crazy ass dad did now!"

Fact of the matter is just like the paternity test, she wasn't going to tell Liam jack shit.

Exactly. She saw just what Hope did, Liam trying to forgive his father, knowing that Bill was trying to get her five seconds before the bullet got him. And even after it comes out she just uses it to try and make Liam forgive her. Never a second thought for him.

Also: how in the world does Bill go from admitting he can't remember being shot to claiming Ridge did it and Det. Dumbass runs right over to arrest him? 

[TigerLynx]

2 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

As someone else mentioned, I wouldn't be surprised if Bill hired someone someone to shoot him for attention. That's a Bill thing to do.

Interesting idea.  Then Bill reveals on his "deathbed" that he is really the father of Steffy's baby.  Bill makes a miraculous recovery, marries Steffy, and Liam is now bitching about how the baby wasn't his, and Daddy Bill stole the wife Liam doesn't want.

[SimplePleasures]

7 hours ago, nkotb said:

I loved Dwayne Wayne, & I really, really loved Dwayne & Whitley, the first couple I ever shipped, because I really, really, really loved Whitley.

I don't know what sounds worse:  Nails on a chalkboard or Jasmine Guy's (Whitley Gilbert) voice.  I couldn't stand her voice in the 80s-90's and it's not going to change today.  So NO FUCKING THANK YOU to bringing Jasmine Guy to the Bold and the Beautiful. 

Edited March 22, 2018 by SimplePleasures

[Waldo13]

??????I've rewatched Bill getting shot over and over again and there is no way Bill could know who shot him. The patio doors where open and there was no obvious reflection for Bill to see who shot him.  There was no indication that Bill wasn't anything but surprised when he was shot.  Det Blabbermouth is a typical "dick" by jumping to conclusions.  He has evidence that indisputable my ass. Bill was shot in the back, but Det Blabbermouth doesn't even take that into consideration. I know Bill will probably lie and say he was trying to run away at the time. 

I'm sick and tired of Stuffy confronting everyone about their actions and deeds when she is the one who is most wrong.  Stuffy says me and MY baby a lot more than our baby.  When Hope said that Liam values honesty and has to know the facts.  To Stuffy facts and honesty are a totally foreign concept. 

[TigerLynx]

10 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

When Hope said that Liam values honesty and has to know the facts.  To Stuffy facts and honesty are a totally foreign concept. 

If Liam valued honesty, he wouldn't have gone along with the Caroline lie.

[Anna Yolei]

Everytime I see Steffy, I'm reminded of this number (one that the Chicago movie adaptation cut for time, but shows Roxie Hart milking her faked pregnancy for all it's worth to keep herself from hanging):

(And apparently, this is a high school production! Holy shit, my school was too poor to do the musical version of Chicago AND The Music Man in the same year, lol!)

44 minutes ago, TigerLynx said:

If Liam valued honesty, he wouldn't have gone along with the Caroline lie.

Also true. I hope that was just a last minute add because of Fode's departure, but even still it's not a good look.

[Gam2]

I really hope it isn’t HT who shot Bill because (1) Why? (2) I do not want to see her scary face ever again. She was so beautiful in the early days but is now just a freak. Why she would do this to herself is beyond me.

[lightninggirl]

16 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

I really hope it isn’t HT who shot Bill because (1) Why? (2) I do not want to see her scary face ever again. She was so beautiful in the early days but is now just a freak. Why she would do this to herself is beyond me.

She is also beyond a nightmare to work with. She used to park in the executives' reserved parking spots like they were hers - even after she was told NOT to, among other absolutely maddening things. Of course, her parking there was NOT her fault, even though it was clearly NOT her name on the reserved space sign. ?
(this is from a legit source - someone who used to PA for the show)

[Gudzilla]

5 hours ago, MulletorHater said:

Why can't ONE person whom Skankerella wronged unapologetically drag her ass for filth and leave it?

The last two who tried were given the tire iron and the electrical panel. ;)

[Gam2]

Who’s Skankerella? 

[grisgris]

Steffy.

I just took a glance at Hunter Tylo's Twitter account really quickly. I will say it. I don't think she looks that bad as a blonde. I was cringing because I expected something along the lines of Brooke-yellow or platinum, but it's more of a golden blonde with dark lowlights.  It actually goes better with her complexion than the too-dark black she was sporting towards the end of the Taylor run. (Guess she got RM's leftover Kiwi shoe polish then left it for DD.) I am too lazy to dig out her book and look through it, but I'm pretty sure that she is a natural blonde and colored her hair dark.

So is Pam's shocked and jittery behavior supposed to throw us off and believe that she shot Bill?

At this point, I have no idea who shot Bill. I think it would be awesome if Taylor came back and was the one who pulled the trigger. To me, it makes sense because she would be doing it to supposedly "protect her daughter." Taylor actually has one foot in jail anyway for the way she broke into Dr. Caspberry's files to look at Brooke's medical records (re. menopausal baby scare.) At the very least, she's probably lost her license to practice medicine in California (if not the entire U.S.)

The secret stunt-casting with KB worked quite well, so who knows? And yes, I agree with CountryGirl, Taylor can take Skankerllla and Sludge away and live happily ever after. I also agree it would have to be for a brief run because I couldn't bear to have the original recipe ToD layered on top of 2.0. I think that would finally drive me away from the show for good. And finally, I still stand that I think Hunter and Sludge would have awesome chemistry. I just feel it.

Speaking of ... Sludge is practically foaming at the mouth with his rage over Bill. Hope and Brooke were correct in that he needs to stop running his mouth everywhere, especially to the cops. But, the upside ... Sludge's greasy unkempt appearance will finally have found its rightful place in an orange LA Co. Jail jumpsuit and the surrounding environment.

Hope just puzzles me. She is hanging around the fringes of whatever this is, hoping for crumbs ... I don't know. If she had any shred of self-respect, she'd wash her hands of this mess and get back to the business of why she returned to L.A.

How soon do you all think it will be before Brooke pays a visit to Bill in the hospital?

Edited March 23, 2018 by grisgris

[KLovestoShop]

Ok, so Bill is shot in the back, and he knows who the shooter is.  The only explanation is if he can see out his A-hole.  

[Joimiaroxeu]

Oh right, Hope. It's up to you to decide what Liam "deserves" to know. Get all the way over yourself.

Why did Wyatt look relieved when Bill wheezed out who tried to kill him?

Bill barely woke up from a coma and he immediately had two people yelling at him. I doubt his pinning it on Ridge will hold up in court. He could've said any of several names who had motive, means, and opportunity.

Ugh, I don't like when I have to agree with Steffy. But dang if she doesn't have the right read on Hope. Hope is looking more and more like a snake to both me and Steffy.

Det. Sanchez is the worst. How does he even have a job?

[Petunia13]

@grisgris yes she's a natural blond that wheat shade. I know  several natural blondes who, when they put some brown or red in their hair, get 10x more compliments or attention. It sets off their eyes or skin or the deeper tone can frame a face differently. 

[Anna Yolei]

The junior varsity ToD was hard enough to pick a side the first go around. But now, with Steffy being a sociopath and Hope having no reason to be there....ugh.

Seeing Steffy get her face cracked hardly justifies Hope's opportunistic routine. And unlike in the past when there was arguably some legitimate"relationship" between Steam to come between...they're separated! I don't give a flying fig that Hope goes after Liam, I just want her to be honest about it. Even Sally gave her that much.

[TigerLynx]

12 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

I don't give a flying fig that Hope goes after Liam, I just want her to be honest about it. Even Sally gave her that much.

It seems Hope is becoming more like Brooke.  Brooke pretended to be the first Caroline's friend in order to get closer to Ridge.  Of course, the first Caroline was a nicer person than Steffy is.

[ByTor]

14 hours ago, grisgris said:

Hope just puzzles me. She is hanging around the fringes of whatever this is, hoping for crumbs ... I don't know. If she had any shred of self-respect, she'd wash her hands of this mess and get back to the business of why she returned to L.A.

I think we all know how Mr. Bell's mind operates...this is the business of why Hope returned to LA.

Edited March 23, 2018 by ByTor

[mightysparrow]

I have to agree with those who wish that Hope had stood up to Hauxdilox.  I, for one, would like to see Hauxdi's reign of terror ended and if it was ended by Brooke Logan's daughter that would be cream cheese icing.  For some reason (maybe her very aggressive fanbase) NOBODY stands up to Steffy Forrester.  People used to stand in line to tell Brooke what a home-wrecking 'slut from the Valley' she was.  Stephanie Forrester came back from the dead to call her that on her wedding day,  Hauxdi gets compared to Brooke (as if!) but Hauxdi has never paid for her wrongs the way Brooke paid for HERS.  Hauxdi has killed one of her cousins and almost killed another and the story has been about how hard it was on Hauxdilox.  She really is her grandmother's namesake.