B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[movingtargetgal]

Katie needs to be in a dual diagnosis program to treat her addiction and mental illness ( Bipolar?).  She like many people who suffer from mental illnesses often self medicate with drugs and alcohol.  Bill did not take Will out of anger and vengence.  Katie IS unstable and a danger to herself and others.  Bill wants Katie to get help so she can again become a good mother to Will.  Bill would be a negligent father if he were to leave Will with Katie.  

[ByTor]

I really hate that they took Brooke down this road again.  I wish they'd pair her with Lt. Baker, I think they'd be cute together.

As much as I hate Katie, and as thrilled as I was that Bill was allowed to say his piece and not just stand there allowing her to berate him, damn if she didn't make me tear up at the end.

[Gudzilla]

I think that Brooke catches more flak because with a great cooter comes great responsibilty, and at times she's been a little irresponsible. 

Totally unrelated but I miss Floating Head Darla.

[hypnotoad]

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Bill did not take Will out of anger and vengence.

I'd like to believe that but I don't. Katie threatened to take Will from his father in her speech to Brooke - for revenge. And now Bill figures he has the upper hand because of her instability and is taking the kid for revenge. Furthermore, Bill had a little something to do with that instability. He was kinda pulling that whole gaslighting thing with her. I'm not saying Katie is perfectly stable by any means but he and Brooke didn't help.

Both Katie and Bill need to stop with using that kid to hurt each other.

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at times she's been a little irresponsible

A little? I guess that's like saying those sword necklaces the Spencer boys sport are a little lame.

Edited July 12, 2016 by hypnotoad

[TobinAlbers]

Looking back at the last few weeks they did set up Will to be a big point of contention in that back when Bill was blasting Ridge, Bill made a point of saying how he had 2 sons kept from him and lost all that time with Liam and Wyatt that he can never get back. At the time it was rich Bill believing himself to wanting to out Dougie's secret for Thomas and Doug's sake but it was more to plant why Bill's gonna be so ruthless about Will. 

Katie on Friday mentioned how she couldn't understand why Liam's mother and Quinn would keep their sons from Bill but that now she got it- he's a dick- and she was going to make it her priority to protect Will from him.

This has shades of Rick siding with alcoholic Taylor over Nick/Brooke for baby Jack with Liam as Rick, Katie as Taylor, Will as Jack, and Bill as Nick. If Taylor got the alone sobbing in the middle of the courtroom spotlight as we fade to black, I can't imagine what they have in store for Katie.

Wyatt wasn't around for the first breakup, right? So I can see him taking Bill's POV while Liam has had more bonding time with Katie and is currently nursing some huge disillusionment with PapaBill.

[TessHarding2]

I haven't watched in a very long time so I looked it up to see the last story line I remembered.  I stopped watching when Quinn joined the show in July 2013.  I saw the show live last Friday and said this is where I left off!  I've seen this before. In July 2013, Bill calls it quits with Katie and meets Brooke in Monte Carlo to start a life together.  Do they do this on purpose? LOL.

I really started watching because I wanted to see Jack Wagner again.  I don't know how I made it through the Steffy/Hope/Liam saga.  

[LittleIggy]

I just can't stand Katie. Alot of that dislike (apart from her being a needy, dislikeable character) comes from her being played by HT who is still in my mind snotty Victoria Newman with her "I smell sh*t" expression on her face.

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, TessHarding2 said:

I haven't watched in a very long time so I looked it up to see the last story line I remembered.  I stopped watching when Quinn joined the show in July 2013.  I saw the show live last Friday and said this is where I left off!  I've seen this before. In July 2013, Bill calls it quits with Katie and meets Brooke in Monte Carlo to start a life together.  Do they do this on purpose? LOL.

I really started watching because I wanted to see Jack Wagner again.  I don't know how I made it through the Steffy/Hope/Liam saga.  

HAHAHAHAHA! Alas, Nick Marone took off for the high seas with nary an exit story about several months before that. Where he's at, no one knows. So glad they dropped a nine year vet with no warning after firing Schae Harrison to pay for his salary a few years earlier and letting him drive far too much of the show in a way only Amber had achieved before and only Hope would eclipse.

As for the ToD....same shit, different day. Although none of them eat up the show quite like that pairing did, you have the same dynamic with Rick's sisters in law Nicole (the princess) and Sasha ( the "bad" one). fighting over Prince Valuim aka. Zende, who is basically Liam with half a pair. 

[Anna Yolei]

32 minutes ago, LittleIggy said:

I just can't stand Katie. Alot of that dislike (apart from her being a needy, dislikeable character) comes from her being played by HT who is still in my mind snotty Victoria Newman with her "I smell sh*t" expression on her face.

The snottiness adds to Katie's pettiness, IMO. It's stranger, but after all this time, I don't immediately think of Victoria when i see her. A lot of that has to do with the shallow parody of a character that is Victoria now that I could never see Tom pulling off, but she does the bitter girl stuck in high school quite well.

[RuntheTable]

Katie got a lot right, but a whole lot more wrong. Bill is a jerk, he is an arrogant, manipulating, macho man, egomaniac, but he is not responsible for the state of Katie’s mental health. Katie has deep seated issues with confidence, as well as jealousy of both her older sisters, that dates back to her teen years. I won’t say Brooke didn’t get the ball rolling with her proclamation of love for Bill, but those words were not intended for Katie’s ears, so there was certainly no premeditation on Brooke’s part. And what self respecting wife is going to listen to that and not wait around to hear her husband’s reply? Katie didn’t want to hear Bill. She wanted to keep it the way she heard it; Brooke coming on to her husband and him saying nothing. Makes it much easier in the blame game when you are not in possession of all the facts. But that not knowing also allowed her imaginings to spiral out of control, to the point where she was seeing them flirting with each other in front of her, when all they were doing was eating the Kumbaya dinner Katie had prepared for them. And of course she made it all about Brooke, when it should have been all about Bill.

My eyebrows shot up with Katie’s declaration of “get out of my house!” WTF? Katie seems to keep forgetting that without Brooke and Bill she would still be in the family’s home back in the valley. Katie did not get those Chipmunk cheeks on her own. No, Brooke’s hard word as a young woman, and her eventual takeover of FC’s is what afforded Katie her good life. Not to mention Brooke’s relationship with Ridge and the Forrester’s in general. So, she went from Brooke’s bosom to Bill’s wallet, and has never looked back. Maybe she didn’t want all those baubles Bill used to give her, but I never heard her saying “No, I don’t want that, just take it back.”

I do feel sorry for Katie’s mental illness; I would feel for anyone in the throes of that horrible disease. I also feel for her about Will, but I think Bill did the right thing. Bill is a creep, but he does love his son, and I think right know he is the best person for Will to be with.

Just when I was starting to soften up a little towards Liam, he goes and starts shooting off his mouth about chasing his brother’s wife. Shut it man, just shut it ok? What form of logic is it that says, “Oh, well my dad has been messing around on his wife, so that gives me free license to interfere in my brother’s marriage?” Simply. Too. Stupid. For.Words.

I must admit, but in a very small voice, that I am enjoying Quinn and Eric. She is exactly the type of woman Eric has always craved; beautiful, talented, risqué, and one who plain out flaunts convention. And I see we have reverted back to our standard black. That’s ok too, cause it fits the SL.

I spit my piping hot cup of fresh morning coffee out when Quinn told Eric about her rubies.

[TobinAlbers]

I'll give Bill this, he did have a catch in his throat as he held sobbing Katie, but that didn't take away from the fact that 30 seconds prior he told Katie he'd sway the judges his way for custody of Will meaning that Katie wouldn't get a fair shake for custody.

This is where I think they're headed. Different brunette but same blond. I bet Bill will have the same look on his face as Nick!

[CountryGirl]

12 hours ago, politichick said:

Brooke and Deacon were a very uber steamy couple and I remember thinking at the time that their coupling was kind of pornographic by daytime soap standards. 

Brooke and Deacon could have been amazing as their chemistry rivaled that of KKL and RM. Deacon had no business being partnered with barely-legal Bridget in the first place but I'm sure it was all by design so that the all-wrong-for-Bridget-Deacon could marry her anyway, only to have him have an affair with his mother in law (to drag Brooke through the muck, of course). 

Had it not been for Bridget, I could have seen the two of them for the long term as Deacon was the only man until the first go-round of Brill (not this latest trope) who gave no fucks about what anyone thought and stood up for Brooke and, more importantly, helped her stand up for herself. 

[CountryGirl]

Bill is, admittedly, a horse's ass, but he wasn't wrong to take Will. Katie is in no condition to properly take care of him. Look how she went into complete melt-down mode the second she realized what happened. She knows Bill, despite everything, is a good father to Will, involved, caring, loving, and responsible. While Bill has obviously put her through hell these past few months, Katie has had emotional/mental problems for far longer, I'd say stemming back to her childhood. 

Bill's affair with Brooke was the equivalent of pouring gasoline on an already-well-tended fire. 

Bill knows her history of breakdowns, many of which had nothing to do with him and Brooke as a lot of them occurred long before they were ever involved. Now, she's an alcoholic on top of that - not exactly a ringing endorsement for a proper caregiver for Will.

The fact that she couldn't even see how she's is no position right now to care for Will with her problems left unaddressed speaks volumes.

I'm not heartless though and I did feel for her as she begged and pleaded. I would like nothing more for Katie to get into serious therapy to uncover the whys in her life. Why does she so lack in confidence? Daddy/abandonment issues, I'm sure, so clearly Brooke is not the only one with them. Why does she feel eclipsed by her older sisters, Brooke, especially? Why, when she has a husband and sister reassuring her, all day, every day of their loyalty and support (I'm talking about before they crossed the line again, obviously) she won't believe them, taking solace in a bottle instead, to the point of being drunk around their son and passing out. Imagine what would have happened if she had been passed out downstairs and Will woke up? Because I sense more drinking in her future. 

She needs serious help and until she gets it, right now, Will is in the safest place he can be. 

I wanted to slap the shit out of Liam yesterday as he continued his campaign to get Steffy to cheat on/leave her perfectly happy marriage. I was almost annoyed at Steffy just casually lounging on the couch instead of telling him to GTFO, but then I realized, she's as annoyed and bored with him as I am. At least I hope that's the case. She certainly doesn't seem to be buying what he's trying to sell.

And it had better not turn into a situation where once she finds out about Grandad and Quinn that she decides to take a page from Liam's book because if she does that? She is no better than Liam, using anything as an excuse to commit adultery (because don't tell me they'll wait until the ink is dry on divorce/dissolution papers) and abandon a marriage that has brought her more love, commitment and stability than she ever dreamed possible.

But I think something - namely Katie - is going to derail Liam's pursuit. He will absolutely be her champion against Bill and it doesn't take a genius to figure out the possibilities from there.

I also think we will see the mother lioness in Brooke come out to aid Katie in her fight against Bill and that, I would like to see.

Quinn and Eric - I don't hate them (although I'm still scratching my head over what about "Adam?"). But she dropped Deacon like a hot potato after he was supposedly her one true love so what do I know.

Edited July 12, 2016 by CountryGirl

[tricknasty]

12 hours ago, TobinAlbers said:

Katie on Friday mentioned how she couldn't understand why Liam's mother and Quinn would keep their sons from Bill but that now she got it- he's a dick- and she was going to make it her priority to protect Will from him.

Do we know her name? Everyone goes out of their way not to say her name.

[sugarbaker design]

She did have a first name, it was mentioned by Bill and Liam when their connection was first discovered.  Her last name, of course, was Cooper.

According to Wiki, her first name was Kelly.

Edited July 12, 2016 by sugarbaker design

[TobinAlbers]

3 minutes ago, tricknasty said:

Do we know her name? Everyone goes out of their way not to say her name.

Soap Central has Liam's mother's name listed as Kelly Cooper.

Kelly, Quinn, Katie. Bill broke the trend in 'k' sounding names with Brooke.

[jenrising]

Bill only cares about his sons in service of his own ego. He just wants to fill the world with versions of himself. Whichever son is acting most like him is the one he loves for the moment. And whichever is letting him bang Steffy by proxy. 

[CountryGirl]

^^^^^

I think that's (somewhat) true about his older sons. I don't see that with Will, but time will tell.

[Anna Yolei]

28 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

^^^^^

I think that's (somewhat) true about his older sons. I don't see that with Will, but time will tell.

I'm sure Bell will attempt a trifecta as soon as young Will is SORASed in the next five years ;)

[CountryGirl]

Is it too much to ask that they'll have moved on to a new, younger triangle by then?

[TobinAlbers]

35 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

Is it too much to ask that they'll have moved on to a new, younger triangle by then?

You sure? Because it'll be Lizzie/Doug/Rosie/Will or Wyatt's daughter/unspecified male/Liam's daughter.

They need some fresh blood as Will is related to both Doug and Lizzie.

There is RJ but he doesn't have any current girls or boys to get romantic with unless they age up Jack Marone or age down Lil'Deacon. And then you need a third in the triangle.

Logan Forrester Knight (Bridget's son with Owen) and Dante Forrester (Felicia's son) could all come back as well.Jack should really be with this group but again they're all bio related.  Damn, that could've made an interesting gay triangle if they hadn't been all related. As it stands, Jack could return and not know that he's Brooke's bio kid and start cozying up to Logan and everyone scramble to tell him the truth. Drama!

Lizzie is the first Forrester girl in a long while unless you count Rosie. We need more girls.

The only swerve I can think of is if the writers do another out of nowhere plot twist and have Donna's absence be explained by her having Eric's (or Thorne's) child in secret and she comes back with a baby girl, but that's ANOTHER Forrester kid and we need less of those.

Edited July 12, 2016 by TobinAlbers
Forgot RJ.

[CountryGirl]

I was mostly kidding because this show needs another triangle like Quinn needs artificial rubies.

[Waldo13]

2 hours ago, jenrising said:

Bill only cares about his sons in service of his own ego. He just wants to fill the world with versions of himself. Whichever son is acting most like him is the one he loves for the moment. And whichever is letting him bang Steffy by proxy. 

This and to punish Katie for standing up to him. It's stupid though. Bill is not about to stay at home and see Will through his formative years and a nanny, instead of his mother, will be raising him.  

IMO, Katie's latest problems escalated when she heard Brooke profess her love for Bill. I really don't care about the past and who did what to who but Bill took advantage of Katie's reduced state to have his cake and eat it to.  As I said before, Bill has no legal right to take Will away, from Katie, until it is court ordered. I hope Brooke will call Bill out, on this, and stand by Katie. But who knows once the golden cooter starts twitching. 

Is Will's father that much better than Wyatt's mother?

[Anna Yolei]

Gah, stupid editor....ignore

Edited July 12, 2016 by Anna Yolei
This stupid editor sucks

[ByTor]

4 hours ago, RuntheTable said:

What form of logic is it that says, “Oh, well my dad has been messing around on his wife, so that gives me free license to interfere in my brother’s marriage?” Simply. Too. Stupid. For.Words.

Especially since Liam is acting like his father is scum of the earth for having an affair.  So Liam is both wrong and justified at the same time?  

2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Is it too much to ask that they'll have moved on to a new, younger triangle by then?

Unfortunately, yes :(

18 minutes ago, Waldo13 said:

 Bill has no legal right to take Will away, from Katie, until it is court ordered. 

Katie also didn't have the right to order Bill out of "her" house and say she wouldn't allow him to see Will.

[thewhiteowl]

I can't see Brooke supporting Katie in custody of Will or Katie allowing that.  Brooke will support Bill while clicking their tongues( when they are not tangled) at "poor Katie" pretending they have no responsibility in this mess. Poor Will. To remove him from his one constant parent is cruel. 

[Anna Yolei]

2 hours ago, CountryGirl said:

Is it too much to ask that they'll have moved on to a new, younger triangle by then?

[ 

(not a stab at you, but how Bell can never quit anything. I mean, it took Ronn Moss quitting to shut down Bridge for a few years)

[Waldo13]

4 minutes ago, ByTor said:

Especially since Liam is acting like his father is scum of the earth for having an affair.  So Liam is both wrong and justified at the same time?  

Unfortunately, yes :(

Katie also didn't have the right to order Bill out of "her" house and say she wouldn't allow him to see Will.

Good point but it was words not action taken.  Katie could order Bill out but he didn't have to leave nor hide Will from Bill. 

[ByTor]

You're right, @Waldo13.  The problem, I guess, is who does he live with before all the legal stuff is ironed out?  I guess that's why so many divorcing couples live in separate rooms in the same house for this reason.

[Anna Yolei]

11 minutes ago, thewhiteowl said:

I can't see Brooke supporting Katie in custody of Will or Katie allowing that.  Brooke will support Bill while clicking their tongues( when they are not tangled) at "poor Katie" pretending they have no responsibility in this mess. Poor Will. To remove him from his one constant parent is cruel. 

Yep, and this is Jack Marone all over again. Upon second viewing Taylor was definitely whacked out but she wasn't unjustified in calling Brooke in interfering. I remember one scene where Brooke flipped out for Taylor going the worst thing ever by......

 

...wait for it...

 

....choosing to use formula! Because her own boobs weren't producing enough milk to sustain a kid who was already having to recover from a bone marrow transplant! But no, Brooke was OMG She needs to keep trying!!!1!ONE!

:facepalm:

This show needs to seriously consider bringing Donna back, if only long enough for the custody hearing. Katie needs someone in her corner other than Waffles and given her own history of giving up a child, it makes a lot more sense.

[tricknasty]

Morality Clause you say? Here we go...

[pianogirl73]

This show was awful today. Do they really think viewers want to listen to Caroline apologizing to Thomas over and over again for keeping the baby's paternity from him? This is a disgusting story line. 

[politichick]

4 minutes ago, pianogirl73 said:

This show was awful today. Do they really think viewers want to listen to Caroline apologizing to Thomas over and over again for keeping the baby's paternity from him? This is a disgusting story line. 

I've just read the recap and I don't think I can bear to watch it. I am increasingly deleting this shit as soon as I get home and fear I may have to give it a rest for a while. 

[Waldo13]

Today was full of WTF and STFU moments. Boy, can I quote a few verses from the bible and a few parables but .....  let's move on.

I just lost all my respect for Caroline for apologizing to her rapest.  What was that all about?  She was glad he was there,  planted his flag, and that he would never take advantage of her.  Wake up and smell the coffee.  That is all Thomas does.  His motto is "I came, I saw, I conquered".  

More revisionist history.  When did Eric get his power back.  Did Bill give Eric his 12%.  Biggest scandal ever, Rick?  A little over dramatic are we.  I'm betting that Rick had a better climax pontificating than he ever had with Maya.  He was planting his "man seed" all over the CFO office marking his territory.  I sure hope Eric takes back the office and declares Quinn as matriarch.  Could we also have Quinn as the spokes model for a new line of dominatrix apparel from FC.  

[ch1]

I can't believe Deacon's sole purpose is to be Quinn's girlfriend.  Honestly, what is the point? I'd rather the character be completely gone than be used in such a stupid way.  Its also annoying that none of this shit leads to Deacon double crossing her.

[pianogirl73]

1 hour ago, politichick said:

I've just read the recap and I don't think I can bear to watch it. I am increasingly deleting this shit as soon as I get home and fear I may have to give it a rest for a while. 

Don't bother. I'll recap:

Caroline and Thomas are rage inducing.

Deacon is stupid.

Rick is a moron.

Ridge is a moron.

Eric is beyond stupid.

I think I got it all. 

[Anna Yolei]

  Biggest scandal ever, Rick?  A little over dramatic are we.  I'm betting that Rick had a better climax pontificating than he ever had with Maya.

Hahahahaha! Damn!

But yeah, he can go away again. It's amazing to me that anyone can use infidelity as "Forrester's worst scandal!" in all sincerity when Lizzie, Steffy and Phoebe are the only three children in the entire 30 year history of the show that WEREN'T born into questionable paternity or the result of an illicit affair. 

Or, you know, switched by the wife who went out of town to give birth because the kid might've been black. The one that you married at seventeen to save face because that was the Worst Scandal Ever.

:)

[jenrising]

1 hour ago, pianogirl73 said:

This show was awful today. Do they really think viewers want to listen to Caroline apologizing to Thomas over and over again for keeping the baby's paternity from him? This is a disgusting story line. 

They managed a new low. She actually said she was thankful he was there that night. Revolting. 

[FanOfTheFans]

I'm beginning to think the writers are giving the viewers the middle finger with these storylines. I am a loyal viewer who hangs in there, waiting for a payoff.  Problem is there is never any payoff anymore, nor are there any characters worth rooting for. 

[Cupid Stunt]

2 hours ago, pianogirl73 said:

This show was awful today. Do they really think viewers want to listen to Caroline apologizing to Thomas over and over again for keeping the baby's paternity from him? This is a disgusting story line. 

2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

I just lost all my respect for Caroline for apologizing to her rapest.  What was that all about?  She was glad he was there,  planted his flag, and that he would never take advantage of her.  Wake up and smell the coffee.  That is all Thomas does.  His motto is "I came, I saw, I conquered".   

46 minutes ago, jenrising said:

They managed a new low. She actually said she was thankful he was there that night. Revolting. 

 

 

^^ Repeated for truth.

[TobinAlbers]

1 hour ago, ch1 said:

I can't believe Deacon's sole purpose is to be Quinn's girlfriend.  Honestly, what is the point? I'd rather the character be completely gone than be used in such a stupid way.  Its also annoying that none of this shit leads to Deacon double crossing her.

I seriously now want to see Sean Kanan sit back with a Cosmo (or beer) on Quinn's couch and say mockingly 'Catch me up, girlfriend. Who we lusting after today? Pink and frills Adam or Black leather aficionado Eric 'Santa Claus' Forrester'.

Ugh. It was a lie of his own making, but Ridge's stomach had to be in knots dropping the bomb of Doug's parentage. Especially knowing Rick was going to crow until the cows come home. Sometimes I wish Eric would tell that twerp 'You know I love you, but sometimes you can be such a damn jackass' (He should say the same to Ridge when he acts up too!)

[Gudzilla]

I have no one to blame but myself for watching this.

[hypnotoad]

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so there was certainly no premeditation on Brooke’s part.

Brooke told Bill so he would start chasing after her again - premeditation. Fine she didn't intend Katie to hear but give me a break. Brooke just had to tell Bill ... why? So he would be panting after the golden cooter again. Ugh.

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 Biggest scandal ever, Rick?  A little over dramatic are we.  I'm betting that Rick had a better climax pontificating than he ever had with Maya.

OMG! Thank goodness I wasn't drinking anything when I read this. And yeah truth.

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But yeah, he can go away again. It's amazing to me that anyone can use infidelity as "Forrester's worst scandal!" in all sincerity when Lizzie, Steffy and Phoebe are the only three children in the entire 30 year history of the show that WEREN'T born into questionable paternity or the result of an illicit affair. 

Rick is just ... beyond stupid. I can't with him and his hair.

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I have no one to blame but myself for watching this

More truth. I put up with Brooke and her stupid crying and excuses last week and then I have to suffer smug Rick today. I need to go back to not watching.

[ByTor]

Do these people (except for Steffy) even know the meaning of "scandal?"  Ridge cooking the books...scandal.  Ridge stealing from the company...scandal.  Ridge not telling the public who the "kid's" sperm donor is...not a scandal, he doesn't owe it to anybody to give details of his personal life.  That being said, yeah I have to admit, I did enjoy Rick bringing  Ridge's smug level down a few notches.

[La di Diva]

Deacon!!  My boyfriend's back!  For all his faults (and they are legion) Deacon is Quinn's true friend -- probably the only friend she has *ever* had. He calls her on her questionable (Insane?) behavior, especially this ....this..... thing ... with Eric, but at the same time tries to support and help her.

That friendship and the fact they really did love each other (until the IIC decided Quinn didn't) is why I had such high hopes for their marriage.

And seriously Rick -- STFU.  Worst scandal ever?  Bah.  And why does the press have to know?  It really is a private family matter as to who Dougie's bio father is. Ridge, Caroline and Thomas can co-parent to their heart's content and it never has to reach the scandal sheets.  Even Bill agreed not to publish it.

Unless of course Rick intends to leak it as a way to shame Ridge and drive him out of the CEO office. Hmmm??  I think Rick is *that* devious and doosh-y.

And if there is a CEO morality clause (first time we ever heard of it), why wasn't it invoked when Rick was still married to Caroline and boning Maya on the side?  Or when they were openly living together while Rick was still married and waiting on the divorce?

I'm glad Eric seems to be taking the reins again. I really hope he makes Steffy CEO, so neither Ridge or Rick wins.  Maybe he'll re-appoint himself.  And speaking of dooshes, Bill was a huge one yesterday.  You don't get to gaslight your wife to excuse your affair, and then blame her for it. Katie is right when she called him a small man and a coward.  Bill took Will for revenge because Katie called him out on his dooshy-ness and the affair and because he knew the best way to make Katie melt down was to take Will and then blame her instability for it.  The instability **he** caused.

Oh -- and Charlie is going to be the one to find out about Quinn/Eric.  That security drone he mentioned yesterday will record one of their trysts.

Edited July 12, 2016 by La di Diva
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[grisgris]

Boys, PLEASE!  Here we go again. It seemed like everybody was OK with Ridge's reveal (to a certain degree) until Rick opened his mouth. I'd think that firing a gun into an occupied office is more grounds for dismissal via a "morality clause," than a WTD situation. Did Rick's gunshot rampage make the front pages? I didn't think so.

Quinn sounds like the Brooke of days past with her "I want to be accepted by the Forresters" mantra. Now I'm getting that this is going way beyond just sticking it to Steffy and a roundabout way to be back into Wyatt's life unencumbered.  She wants the money, name, prestige -- whole nine yards.

Wow and wow and WTF over Caroline's backing down and bowing down to Thomas. I picked up more than a touch of jealousy from Caroline when that intern suggested meeting Thomas for drinks. When she said that Steffy had a prospectus, I thought, "Damn! That was fast." I fully expected a proposal to oust Ridge as CEO.

Speaking of, Ridge looks worse than usual. He looks like he's had a long, hard life and someone I'd expect to see on an episode of "Behind The Music,"-- 70s burn-out. Ugh. And of course, Steffy couldn't leave well enough alone. It's clear she's been back into RM's, now DD's stash of Kiwi black shoe polish for the hair. OTOH, I really liked Caroline's outfit, although crop tops are kind of last year.

Anybody wanna bet that Bill had already made plans in advance for Alison to nab Will and eventually end up with him on Brooke's doorstep? That would put Brooke in a no-win situation, as she won't very well turn her back on her nephew. Also, it will clearly cement her on Bill's side, whether she initially wants to or not.

I image today's show is the segue into an extended run of Rick, Maya and the Avant clan.

Boys, PLEASE!  Here we go again. It seemed like everybody was OK with Ridge's reveal (to a certain degree) until Rick opened his mouth. I'd think that firing a gun into an occupied office is more grounds for dismissal via a "morality clause," than a WTD situation. Did Rick's gunshot rampage make the front pages? I didn't think so.

Quinn sounds like the Brooke of days past with her "I want to be accepted by the Forresters" mantra. Now I'm getting that this is going way beyond just sticking it to Steffy and a roundabout way to be back into Wyatt's life unencumbered.  She wants the money, name, prestige -- whole nine yards.

Wow and wow and WTF over Caroline's backing down and bowing down to Thomas. I picked up more than a touch of jealousy from Caroline when that intern suggested meeting Thomas for drinks. When she said that Steffy had a prospectus, I thought, "Damn! That was fast." I fully expected a proposal to oust Ridge as CEO.

Speaking of, Ridge looks worse than usual. He looks like he's had a long, hard life and someone I'd expect to see on an episode of "Behind The Music,"-- 70s burn-out. Ugh. And of course, Steffy couldn't leave well enough alone. It's clear she's been back into RM's, now DD's stash of Kiwi black shoe polish for the hair. OTOH, I really liked Caroline's outfit, although crop tops are kind of last year.

Anybody wanna bet that Bill had already made plans in advance for Alison to nab Will and eventually end up with him on Brooke's doorstep? That would put Brooke in a no-win situation, as she won't very well turn her back on her nephew. Also, it will clearly cement her on Bill's side, whether she initially wants to or not.

I image today's show is the segue into an extended run of Rick, Maya and the Avant clan.

[TobinAlbers]

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She wants the money, name, prestige -- whole nine yards.

So she's pulling a Maya? You know I could get into Quinn trying to outMaya Maya to become the next Forrester matriarch. Encouraging Eric to take back the mansion and put her portrait up over the fireplace and as someone else suggested have her become the face of Forrester's S&M adult line of uh...bedroom fashion.

Maya vs. Quinn would be fun. And different.

[KerleyQ]

All I could think when Rick was going on about what a huge scandal it would be if people found out Thomas is the father of the baby Ridge and Caroline are raising is "Um, Rick, your sister-in-law is the biological mother of your baby..."  Obviously the situations are different, but there is zero reason for anyone outside the family to know anything about the specifics of how Douglas came to be.  For all anyone outside the family would know, this could be a similar situation - Ridge and Caroline couldn't have a child together and a relative assisted.  Yes, that's not what happened, but the only way the real story gets out is if someone, Rick, blabs.  At that point, the one bringing "shame" onto the family business is Rick, not Ridge.  

[TessHarding2]

9 hours ago, Gudzilla said:

I have no one to blame but myself for watching this.

Hey, it's okay.  After hearing the phrase "hate watching", I can accept that.  It's 18 minutes without commercials which I can reduce to 7 minutes.  I saw one show last week and I got hooked knowing I was watching the same story line from July 2013.  I'll have to see how the Katie/Bill/Brooke thing goes.  Like we don't know?? hahahaha.  I have to find an old show where the men were doing a photoshoot wearing white powder and speedos.

[RuntheTable]

Morality clause? WTF? What decade is this? And why wasn’t that shit being waved all up in Rick’s face when he was working the dual duty of being married and fucking his mistress? And what exactly is immoral about three adults working through a very upsetting, personal and private matter. I think if Thomas has come to terms with the situation, then the whole kitten caboodle should as well. After all, it is no one’s business and has absolutely nothing to do with FC’s or Ridge’s ability to run it. But Rick is so intent on “bringing Ridge down” that he will seize on any opportunity, the smallest opening, to try and hurt him. And just look at him. Climbing up on his bully pulpit to spin his tale, and show the world that Ridge cannot be CEO because he is not Douglas’s bio father. What a consummate little twit. How quickly he has forgotten about a certain blonde ingénue, who passed off another man’s child as his, all in her quest to be a part of the Forrester clan. Of course that was the situation that introduced us to Deacon, and although Rick cannot be blamed for the actions of his mother, we all know how that worked out. Has Rick forgotten that he had relationships with both of his nieces, not to mention their mother? How about faking his paralysis in order to keep his mother and Ridge apart? Messing with mom’s podcast to edit out anything good about Ridge? Shooting guns off in occupied offices? Demoralizing the FC’s staff? Sabotaging new campaigns? Oh, and of course shooting your mom’s husband. Yes indeed, let us discuss morality clauses.

Wouldn’t it have made better sense for the two pertinent parties to be present for this reveal? I think I am rather pissed off that they get to escape the wrath of their actions and Ridge is going to take all the heat.

Why is Deacon on the show if all he is going to be is Quinn’s BFF? SK is capable of so much more than being Quinn’s fan girl.

Caroline and Thomas are starting to upset my stomach. Is this like some warped version of the Stockholm Syndrome? Or are we recreating Luke and Laura? Whatever it is, I don’t like it.

I hate to admit this, but Steffy is becoming a fav of mine. Now that they have toned her down she is coming off as a professional young woman. My hope is they are doing this because Eric will name her CEO. Certainly a far better choice than dicked up Rick. At least Steffy remained calm and wasn’t kirkin out like Rick as Ridge talked.