B&B: What's Up Today at Forrester Creations? - Daily Chat

[A-Lo]

Where in the hell is Beth???  I thought she might be stowed away in Buckingham's apartment but then he invited Taylor over.  Excuse me, but what kind of OB/BYN lives in a hovel like that?  After suffering through 4 days of Hope and Liam's suffering, we DESERVE to see that healthy baby!

[Amberosia]

2 hours ago, A-Lo said:

 Excuse me, but what kind of OB/BYN lives in a hovel like that?  

A broke-ass one putting on airs. There's a reason why his credit cards are overdrawn, he lights up like a Christmas tree set on fire when he sees a wad of cash, and is ducking and dodging the world's worst bookie/enforcer/whatever the hell he is. For all his bragging to Zoe about that Catalina gig, it didn't look like the sort of facility that's offering all that impressive of a salary. No wonder he needs to work two places at the same time. 

 

Honestly, between him and the questionable skills and etiquette of Dr. Robin Givens, if he's working at the same hospital, I'd rather have my baby in the bathtub at home biting down on a stick for anesthesia. 

[ByTor]

9 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

She's gonna unleash the Squinty-Eyed Stare of Death on you

Kill Bill has the 5 Point Palm Exploding Heart Technique, we have the Squinty Eyed Stare of Death...just as effective, if you ask me :)

9 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

That plus the baby might be medicated or something.

This is super far-fetched, but is it possible Beth was drugged to look "dead" and that is how the birthmark is going to come into play?

[Anna Yolei]

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

This is super far-fetched, but is it possible Beth was drugged to look "dead" and that is how the birthmark is going to come into play?

Hmmmmm....That's also a possibility.

[Joimiaroxeu]

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This is super far-fetched, but is it possible Beth was drugged to look "dead" and that is how the birthmark is going to come into play?

OMG, would B&B go that dark with it? And I guess that would mean Liam and Hope didn't take the baby's body so they could bury it. I want to say that seems unlikely but then I remind myself what show I'm watching. 🤔

[CountryGirl]

The baby was cremated. Well, that's what Liam and Hope directed, what actually happened is anyone's guess.

[ByTor]

2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Liam and Hope didn't take the baby's body

IRL, though, wouldn't the body be released by the parents and taken by a coroner/funeral home?  

1 hour ago, CountryGirl said:

The baby was cremated. Well, that's what Liam and Hope directed, what actually happened is anyone's guess.

Right, they would have no idea if she was really cremated.

[Gam2]

Where did this other baby come from? Do we even know whose baby it was?

[Joimiaroxeu]

I must've missed the reference to cremating the baby. So, I guess now it comes back around to whether that baby they held was actually Beth, meaning Dr. Westminster Abby did something make her seem "dead" for a while. Then the birthmark will be how Hope and Liam recognize her later. But geez, that's been done so many times on soaps. It'd be more interesting I think if Steffy adopts Beth, Liam and especially Hope bond with her, but it never occurs to them that she's their baby because she doesn't have the birthmark.

[Amberosia]

19 minutes ago, Gam2 said:

Where did this other baby come from? Do we even know whose baby it was?

I inferred that it was the baby of the sad blonde lady Dr. B was consoling out the door before Hope arrived. As soon as I saw her I figured the switch was a go.

[thewhiteowl]

Alrighty, please stop bashing those who hold differing opinions. This is uncivil and may prevent people from posting. All opinions are welcome here. What posters are saying at other sites doesn't apply here and should be left there.

This is a reminder, stop this bashing of fans or warns will follow. Thanks for making this a more civil place.

Any questions or concerns about this please PM me. Thanks.

[ByTor]

56 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

It'd be more interesting I think if Steffy adopts Beth, Liam and especially Hope bond with her, but it never occurs to them that she's their baby because she doesn't have the birthmark.

Plus, Hope is already laying the groundwork by saying more than once that she can still feel Beth.

51 minutes ago, Amberosia said:

I inferred that it was the baby of the sad blonde lady Dr. B was consoling out the door before Hope arrived. As soon as I saw her I figured the switch was a go.

awww crap, there goes my theory down the tubes.  Maybe I should actually watch the show that I'm making guesses on :)

[mightysparrow]

BOOM!!!!!!

 

Now will Bell stop with the anvils.  My head is ACHING!!!

[CountryGirl]

1 hour ago, mightysparrow said:

BOOM!!!!!!

 

Now will Bell stop with the anvils.  My head is ACHING!!!

My Dish has been on the fritz since yesterday so no recaps until it's back and there's something worth recapping.

But I did see this pic on Twitter:

 

But seriously, if Taylor is so stupid as to pay him for some other woman's unwanted baby and Steffy insta-adopts, well, there are no words.

Edited January 11, 2019 by CountryGirl

[A-Lo]

Birthmark?  What did I miss? Admittedly, I FFed through much of the wailing and crying while Hope was holding the other lady's baby.  If the birthmark is on the other baby, how will it help them to identify Beth?  I'm so confused!  And so wanting this creepy storyline to wrap up quickly!

[jenrising]

20 minutes ago, CountryGirl said:

My Dish has been on the fritz since yesterday so no recaps until it's back and there's something worth recapping.

But I did see this pic on Twitter:

 

But seriously, if Taylor is so stupid as to pay him for some other woman's unwanted baby and Steffy insta-adopts, well, there are no words.

I can't decide what the worse possibility is here. Now that Dr. Shady has shown Taylor the baby from his hotel bathrool, what's she going to think? Coincidentally he came across a completely unrelated baby on the ferry back from Catalina? She's nuts, not stupid. But the alternative is even worse. Are they going to let Taylor play along and buy Hope's stolen baby for her own daughter? There's no result here that isn't awful. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Traumatic? Reese, get over yourself. You're not the one who just lost a baby. You only lost your marbles, apparently.

Who does Ridge think he is? On today of all days he has to whip it out and try to have a measuring contest with Bill. I'm amazed Bill didn't laugh in his face. Ridge is insecure because he knows he'd never win that battle.

"Our children have to come first." Except when you accept your husband treating your daughter like warm garbage because your marriage is more important to you than her. I see you, Brooke.

People are going to think Hope is suffering from postpartum depression when she keeps insisting Beth is still alive. Meanwhile, apparently Reese has pretty much checked out of reality and Taylor might be the one to figure it out. Alrighty then.

[Amberosia]

Well, there it is! Finally; it was going to make me crazy if they tried to make us wait until next week or longer to see Beth. I knew the second Hope uttered the words "I know it sounds crazy, but..." that we were gonna get that reveal.  

 

However, leading up to that it slowly started dawning on me with a sense of dread as Dr. B kept saying he wanted to show Taylor how much he cares about her, that he may actually fess up to her that this is Hope's baby from the giddy up. I figured when he was describing the delivery he was talking about mystery lady rather than Hope, or maybe even blending the two. Because I can't reconcile mystery lady being released the same day of such a traumatic event, so unless he was referring to another windstormy day he must be combining the births, right? Or maybe he is telling the truth about the abruption and that's why Hope passed out, but he was able to get Beth out in time? I don't know, but I do know I hadn't considered for even a second that Taylor would get that baby for Steffy knowing that she was Hope's baby. Taylor, who knows first-hand the anguish of being allowed to believe your baby is dead when she isn't? Surely she can't have that much of a rage-on for Brooke and Hope that she'd knowingly participate in something so cruel? I hope not... I know Bell-A  is populated by all levels of hypocrite, that's just a bridge too far for me.

 

Speaking of bridges... Ugh, Ridge truly has no concept of "time and place", does he? Really? Is now really the time you want to pee on Brooke's leg? Seriously? I can't with him, I just can't. Good for Brooke saying right in front of him that she doesn't care that Ridge doesn't like it, she'll always care about Bill, or that she thinks Ridge is wrong and believes in his change, that she's proud of him... His face was pretty hilarious through it all.

[CharlizeCat]

C'mon, Lippy! Put two and two together! I know this won't happen, but what if ??? There was a hastily written redemption for Taylor. She plays along with Reese just long enough to confirm that the baby is Beth and is instrumental in getting her returned to Liam and Hope. Prosecute and lock up Reese, Xander is already leaving, and for safety's sake, Zoe goes back to Europe to an undisclosed location. All gone in one fell swoop.  That would wrap things up fairly swiftly.

Otherwise ... I mean, she can't be that stupid. It's can't be a happy coincidence that an unwanted newborn just fell into Reese's lap, ready to sell to Taylor and Steffy. That's not even legal and if Taylor is so paranoid about staying above the law in the first place, why would she agree to something like that? Steffy, as well.

If Bell writes to suit the squeaking wheel fans, maybe he's received a lot of negative fallout about this SL and is going to mercifully end it.

Probably not. 

[CharlizeCat]

Word to the above post.

I noticed today that HTy is resorting to "acting" with her eyes. When she was trying to console Reese today, I was fixated on how the entire lower half of her face could barely move.  To compensate, she kept widening her eyes. Such a pity.

The last few days, I kept thinking how RM Ridge would have hugged Hope and kissed her on the top of her head. Showed some compassion. TK -- nuthin'.  And why was everybody so concerned about Hauxdi, anyway? 

[Waldo13]

Taylor is really more concerned about Dr Wayne Shady feelings than Hope and Liam.  

Ridge is a friggin idiot.  This is not the time nor place for him to confront Bill.  Brooke tells Bill he has to be committed to himself to be a better man, true, but shouldn't Ridge do the same thing?  Love him or hate him Bill is twice the man Ridge is.  To me, Ridge is nothing more than a man-child, a sniveling idiot who's dick can only get hard when he fantasizes about his self importance. 

[APSimpson]

13 hours ago, A-Lo said:

Birthmark?  What did I miss? Admittedly, I FFed through much of the wailing and crying while Hope was holding the other lady's baby.  If the birthmark is on the other baby, how will it help them to identify Beth?  I'm so confused!  And so wanting this creepy storyline to wrap up quickly!

I could be missing something, but it's possible the mystery lady could come into play regarding the birthmark. Maybe she was able to hold her baby before Reese escorted her to the exit, and saw her baby's birthmark. Maybe Liam or Hope end up talking to her in some sort of support group for losing a child (total guess here on my part) or somehow run into her, and she mentions her baby had a birthmark and then Liam and Hope mention their's did too. Or something like that. But I think the mystery lady and this birthmark clue could be the key behind creating suspicion in Hope or Liam's mind that something isn't right.

[SingerIslander]

I've been wrong before, but I was thinking there was a BTS reason for why Ridge had that talk with Bill at this time, on this day.  It felt to me like B&B was ending (for now) Bill's non-stop pursuit of Brooke, as he hears from both Ridge and Brooke that she wants to be with her husband, so that he can be more attentive to Katie with IR leaving.  Timing-wise, these scenes were taped right around the time when Ingo made his decision not to stay, right before the holidays.  B&B ends things abruptly sometimes, when you're not even aware they're doing it.  It kinda reminded me of how they ended Ridge and Quinn's flirtation--quickly, with no real explanation other than "I love my fiancee/I love my husband", mainly because Kimberlin Brown was about to show up, and B&B needed Quinn committed to her husband to form the third side of the Sheila/Eric/Quinn triangle. 

Plus, while I like Brill, it was a bad look on Bill, consistently pursuing a woman who wasn't really kissing him back when he'd kiss her, and who told him repeatedly she was married and in love with her husband (just as he'd also done with Steffy).  This way, they've kinda cleared the slate for Bill to look elsewhere.   I could be wrong about this, but that was how I saw it.

[mightysparrow]

If Taylor does anything BUT notify the authorities that her pal has a spare baby lying around his apartment, she's even worse than I thought.  Killer Taylor and her Dr. Psycho might feel they literally have the power of life and death over everyone else, but that's not the case.  I don't have much of a problem with Taylor NOT thinking it's Hope and Liam's baby because she is just that stupid.

Friday's episode was proof positive that Hauxdilox comes by her monstrous self-absorption and hatefulness honestly; just look at her parents.  Ridge decided that the memorial for a dead child was the perfect place to piss all over the grandparents of that dead child.  Ridge doesn't want to get into a dick-measuring contest with Bill because he'll get a good look at what both his wife AND his daughter have enjoyed so very much.  I hate that my poor Brooke is going to be stuck with that grubby asshole when it's obvious that KKL and DD have the superior chemistry.  KKL gave a masterclass in acting with Brooke's monologue because it must have taken all of her ability as an actor to make Brooke sound remotely convincing in her 'stand by your man' speech.  I wonder how long it's going to be before Ridge is back to bullying and insulting Hope. 

[mightysparrow]

13 hours ago, CharlizeCat said:

Word to the above post.

I noticed today that HTy is resorting to "acting" with her eyes. When she was trying to console Reese today, I was fixated on how the entire lower half of her face could barely move.  To compensate, she kept widening her eyes. Such a pity.

The last few days, I kept thinking how RM Ridge would have hugged Hope and kissed her on the top of her head. Showed some compassion. TK -- nuthin'.  And why was everybody so concerned about Hauxdi, anyway? 

Ronnnn Moss would have been a champ in those scenes.  He would have been able to balance his concern for Hope and his fatherly duty to Steffy.  And he would have handled that scene with Bill with MUCH more finesse than TK did.  I don't think TK even cares any more.  It seems that he's just there to collect a pay cheque.  Maybe he's mad that his leading lady is old enough to remember disco.

[ByTor]

10 hours ago, APSimpson said:

I could be missing something, but it's possible the mystery lady could come into play regarding the birthmark. Maybe she was able to hold her baby before Reese escorted her to the exit, and saw her baby's birthmark. Maybe Liam or Hope end up talking to her in some sort of support group for losing a child (total guess here on my part) or somehow run into her, and she mentions her baby had a birthmark and then Liam and Hope mention their's did too. Or something like that. But I think the mystery lady and this birthmark clue could be the key behind creating suspicion in Hope or Liam's mind that something isn't right.

This actually could work!  Didn't Taylor give Hope information about a grief group?  Maybe they'll meet there & will discuss having stillbirths in Catalina, and then the birthmark will be brought up.  Or maybe the writer who wrote about the birthmark is now writing about Emma & the birthmark won't come into play at all.

[ByaNose]

How can Dr. Shady convince Taylor that this isn’t Hope’s baby. And, if he can , how could Taylor not realize (or suspect) that it’s Hope’s since he has a random baby after the birth of Hope’s & the memorial service? I guess we’ll find out on Monday. 

[lightninggirl]

On 1/11/2019 at 3:42 PM, A-Lo said:

Birthmark?  What did I miss? Admittedly, I FFed through much of the wailing and crying while Hope was holding the other lady's baby.  If the birthmark is on the other baby, how will it help them to identify Beth?  I'm so confused!  And so wanting this creepy storyline to wrap up quickly!

Dope talked about which leg NotBeth's birthmark was on, and I think that WaffleBoy confirmed it was on her right leg.

SO, here is how it's going down:
ope & WaffleBoy have NotBeth cremated so no one can run a DNA test on her (or him), and everyone can continue to swill Gatorade because they're at risk of dehydrating from all of their moping and wailing. Dr. Restalyne takes RealBeth from Dr. Shady and brings it to Stuffy, somehow Stuffy legally adopts her (how this comes about remains to be seen). Four more months will ensue with them slooooooowly wondering, "Stuffy's little girl looks just like Dope! WAIT - is that RealBeth? But what about NotBeth? We held NotBeth! WE LOVED NOTBETH!!! Where did RealBeth come from?" and eventually someone will cut RealBeth's hair and do a DNA test on her. Dr. Restalyne switches the DNA so the charade goes on for another two months, but she tells Stuffy that her new baby (probably named Steffy the Third) is really RealBeth and Stuffy keeps Dr. Restalyne's secret because she doesn't want her mother to go to jail. Dope and WaffleBoy get Bill involved and he convinces Stuffy to give back RealBeth before the cops get called, and then consoles her and she gets knocked up with $Bill's Stallion Baby. The End.

[Anna Yolei]

Taylor will end up looking incredibly stupid or irredeemably insane and cruel in all this. I mean, we know.shes never given any fucks about Brooke's children (well,  besides the ones Rick gave her) but how do you walk this back?

2 minutes ago, lightninggirl said:

Stuffy to give back RealBeth before the cops get called, and then consoles her and she gets knocked up with $Bill's Stallion Baby. The End.

After all the shit shes given Brooke for being a 'ho, I will LMFAO if this happens.

[Annmarie1111]

On 1/10/2019 at 8:10 PM, Ohwell said:

Wayne Brady needs to grow some hair on that eggplant head of his.  Just sayin'.

He just needs to go away!

[Ohwell]

39 minutes ago, Annmarie1111 said:

He just needs to go away!

That would work!

[mightysparrow]

Hauxdilox is going to adopt a baby because she thinks TWO babies might just be enough to pry Liam away from Hope.  One baby clearly didn't work.  She did everything but claim that Kelly had a brain tumour and Liam STILL didn't drop-kick Hope to the curb.  Now that Hope and Liam's baby is dead, Hauxdi is going to try and use Kelly and a brand-new LIVE baby to try and get Liam to forget Hope and his dead child. 

I'm going to have to come up with new words to describe her because I have a feeling 'slattern' isn't going to cover it. 

Edited January 13, 2019 by mightysparrow

[SweePea59]

On 1/8/2019 at 5:40 PM, Waldo13 said:

Where is Beth and why isn't there any mention of a funeral service?  You would think that Liam and Hope would want one. 

There was a scene with Salamander and Frankenmodel talking about Hope having Beth cremated. It was odd.

[Anna Yolei]

9 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

There was a scene with Salamander and Frankenmodel talking about Hope having Beth cremated. It was odd.

How the hell would they possibly know that? Why would anyone tell them? And why would Taylor give a shit when she got what she was hoping for with a dead baby?

(I couldn't even tell which nickname was meant for which one of them, since they both apply)

[Petunia13]

13 hours ago, mightysparrow said:

Hauxdilox is going to adopt a baby because she thinks TWO babies might just be enough to pry Liam away from Hope.  One baby clearly didn't work.  She did everything but claim that Kelly had a brain tumour and Liam STILL didn't drop-kick Hope to the curb.  Now that Hope and Liam's baby is dead, Hauxdi is going to try and use Kelly and a brand-new LIVE baby to try and get Liam to forget Hope and his dead child. 

I'm going to have to come up with new words to describe her because I have a feeling 'slattern' isn't going to cover it. 

 

Isn’t it cruel to bring a new baby into the family of your rival fresh on the death of her infant? It seems kinda insensitive and throwing it in her face. 🤦🏻‍♀️

[thewhiteowl]

5 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

Isn’t it cruel to bring a new baby into the family of your rival fresh on the death of her infant? It seems kinda insensitive and throwing it in her face. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Gah, I hate defending Steffy because sensitive is not her thing, ever but she decided this before Hope had the "stillborn" . The timing sucks but she isn't responsible for that.

[Petunia13]

Just now, thewhiteowl said:

Gah, I hate defending Steffy because sensitive is not her thing, ever but she decided this before Hope had the "stillborn" . The timing sucks but she isn't responsible for that.

True but what I meant is after the death she could have put the plans on hold for a few weeks or months out of decency. 

[thewhiteowl]

2 minutes ago, Petunia13 said:

True but what I meant is after the death she could have put the plans on hold for a few weeks or months out of decency. 

True, I agree but decency isn't Steffy's thing either. LOL

[A-Lo]

14 hours ago, SweePea59 said:

There was a scene with Salamander and Frankenmodel talking about Hope having Beth cremated. It was odd.

OMG...Salamander and Frankenmodel!  I just spit coffee all over my screen!  Good one, Sweepea!  I will never see those two without thinking of their new nicknames again.

Edited January 13, 2019 by A-Lo

[nilyank]

2 hours ago, thewhiteowl said:

Gah, I hate defending Steffy because sensitive is not her thing, ever but she decided this before Hope had the "stillborn" . The timing sucks but she isn't responsible for that.

True, but she literally decided to adopt just weeks before Liam and Hope lost their baby. In the real world, it would take more than a month before Steffy would have a baby placed in her care. Even if it was a private adoption, she would still have to go to the courts, have the legal paper work like a birth certificate, gets some visits from a social worker, and probably a dna test from the birth parents who will be giving up their parental rights. 

Instead, Steffy is going to get a baby as easily as if she went shopping in Beverly Hills to pick up the latest accessory for the single mom, one newborn baby only a few weeks ago, Retail value $200000.

[mightysparrow]

2 hours ago, Petunia13 said:

Isn’t it cruel to bring a new baby into the family of your rival fresh on the death of her infant? It seems kinda insensitive and throwing it in her face. 🤦🏻‍♀️

You just described Hauxdilox.  As far as she's concerned. the death of Hope and Liam's baby is just icing on the cake, another delicious twist of the knife into the hated Logans.  And her killer mommy will be dancing in the streets.

[RedRockRosie]

Steffy to Hope at the service: "Anything I can do to help. I want to be there for you...even if it's just a walk on the beach."

Steffy when Hope calls & asks for help: "Oh, I'm sorry...can't be there for you today. Just bought a newborn baby sister for my precious live baby girl Kelly. Hey, I know, why don't you come over & visit the new baby while she gets to know her big sister Kelly? That should cheer you up, right?"

 

Why rub salt in an open gaping wound when you can drive the knife a bit deeper while you twist it?

[ByTor]

19 hours ago, Anna Yolei said:

Taylor will end up looking incredibly stupid or irredeemably insane and cruel in all this.

I'm glad I'm not a Taylor fan.  I don't even like her & I'm really mad at what they are doing to her character.  Taylor is a "do as I say not as I do" type, she was never intentionally cruel.  Even when she killed Darla, she stupidly listened to Lorenzo Lamas & didn't confess when she wanted to, but she played it as so conflicted that even I felt sorry for her.  But yeah, @Anna Yolei, no matter what she does, she isn't going to come out of this looking good.

[Snaporaz]

So Beth was behind Door #1 all this time.  I'm a little surprised Wayne Brady would want a role like this.  This is not a "love to hate" type of villain.  It's more like a "let's wrap this up and ship this asshole off to San Quentin" type of villain.  Don't daytime game show carnival barkers have a somewhat squeaky clean image to uphold?

Edited January 13, 2019 by Snaporaz

[Joimiaroxeu]

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Don't daytime game show carnival barkers have a somewhat squeaky clean image to uphold?

He's Wayne Brady and he's not worried: (warning, NSFW; potentially offensive language)

If only Dr. House of Parliament was half this interesting.

[smartyshorts]

 I cant watch. Countrygirl's recaps have been enough. Now i cant read recaps at work without having to hide in the bathroom silently sobbing.  

 

The commercial right before the show in my market was for a "lawyer" who specializes in Birth Trauma Settlements. Guess its a sign that I am NOT ready to get back into watching. But i will certainly be reading

[CharlizeCat]

22 hours ago, Snaporaz said:

So Beth was behind Door #1 all this time.  I'm a little surprised Wayne Brady would want a role like this.  This is not a "love to hate" type of villain.  It's more like a "let's wrap this up and ship this asshole off to San Quentin" type of villain.  Don't daytime game show carnival barkers have a somewhat squeaky clean image to uphold?

Maybe he wanted to "stretch and grow" professionally. /eyeroll

[CountryGirl]

The recap for today is gonna be a doozy. The short version is: Dr. F and his accomplice could have "Baby Thieves" written on their foreheads and dipshit Taylor still wouldn't connect the dots. 

Edited January 14, 2019 by CountryGirl

[Waldo13]

Ah, the plot thickens. Florence is a dealer, in LV, and will be dupe to convince the dope to fund his gambling debt.  Of course the other dope gives his blessing for Stuffy to adopt.  Let's see the mark up on Beth over the $200K Dr Wayne Shady needs to settle his debt. I would imagine about another $100K to payoff Florence and stake another gambling binge.  Reese wants his name to stay out of this so I guess Florence will receive the money, therefore I would love to see Florence take the money and run.  I would imagine that with this hole adoption SL TIIC wouldn't consider a legal adoption contract nor a legal birth certificate.  If and when Beth is discovered as being alive, it's still cruel to Hope and Liam for Stuffy to have two babies and they have none. I don't care what TIIC make them say. 

[Joimiaroxeu]

Florence. As in Nightingale? Lol, sometimes I wonder how they come up with these names.

Brooke should suggest Hope get grief counseling instead of indulging her fantasies. No one has any reason to think Beth is still alive, least of all Hope right now.

Just when you think this show couldn't get more ridiculous. "Steffy, honey, look what I got you! Another baby! Got it for a steal too!" How can buying a stranger's baby possibly be legal? Human trafficking is against the law in this country. Taylor and Steffy are about to add another felony to their list of crimes.