Christine Brown Woolley: Nacho Sister Wife Anymore

[General Days]

@ginger90, your quote of me is actually where I'm quoting you. I think the board screws up the attribution on these things.

I understand what you mean. But his counterclaim may not be that Christine owes him anything, but rather, just that her claims are overstated.

By the way, I don't even mean when it comes to Truely's support itself. It should be easy enough to prove he did or did not pay child support.

It's that sometimes, a plaintiff (in this case, Christine) will ask to be reimbursed for something, and the defendant (Kody) will counterclaim in order to rebut that they owe the plaintiff anything for [whatever that thing is].

So Christine might come up with some owed-child-support figure, and base it on a whole bunch of items. And on some of those items, Kody may push back, contending they wouldn't be a normal child support related expense. That could be what his counterclaim is. 

Goodness gracious. What I just posted sounds convoluted enough for a Brown to have said it. 

[ginger90]

1 minute ago, General Days said:

Goodness gracious. What I just posted sounds convoluted enough for a Brown to have said it. 

🤣🤣

 

[Denize]

A counterclaim is expected if he disagreed with what Christine claimed. A counterSUIT is a lawsuit asserting an independent cause of action that would favour Kody and would probably require more $$$ from Kody to fight.  

Edited October 25 by Denize

[General Days]

The filing is labeled an "Answer and Counterclaim." WOACB presented it like a countersuit. 

It's also a private document, so I doubt either WOACB or The Ashley saw the contents. They just know it was filed.

[ginger90]

52 minutes ago, Denize said:

A counterclaim is expected if he disagreed with what Christine claimed. A counterSUIT is a lawsuit asserting an independent cause of action that would favour Kody and would probably require more $$$ from Kody to fight.  

Exactly, that’s what has bugged me. These people playing reporter use words that aren’t correct. Then it’s a big deal and gets passed on and is crap.

45 minutes ago, General Days said:

The filing is labeled an "Answer and Counterclaim." WOACB presented it like a countersuit. 

It's also a private document, so I doubt either WOACB or The Ashley saw the contents. They just know it was filed.

Yet this has been called official documents. Technically perhaps, but proof of nothing besides Kody responding.

 

Make it stop! 

[Salacious Kitty]

Now WOACB has evidence that Kody and Robyn have bought a huge house (6BR/7BA) and put it in a trust. The old house hasn't sold (didn't they take it off the market)? Where is Kody getting the money for this, and will it affect Christine's suit for support? 

[smarty]

22 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Now WOACB has evidence that Kody and Robyn have bought a huge house (6BR/7BA) and put it in a trust. The old house hasn't sold (didn't they take it off the market)? Where is Kody getting the money for this, and will it affect Christine's suit for support? 

WOW!  It's a 2 million dollar house.  Kody must have been quietly pocketing money for years to be able to afford the mortgage payment on a 2 million dollar house!  $2,100,000 purchase price with only 20% down is a mortgage of $1,680,000.  That has to be a monthly payment of over $12,000.

Edited October 25 by smarty

[altopower]

On 10/8/2024 at 11:21 PM, surfgirl said:

Truly looks so happy and like she is finally growing into herself.

And I love her glasses!

[Gramto6]

8 hours ago, smarty said:

WOW!  It's a 2 million dollar house.  Kody must have been quietly pocketing money for years to be able to afford the mortgage payment on a 2 million dollar house!  $2,100,000 purchase price with only 20% down is a mortgage of $1,680,000.  That has to be a monthly payment of over $12,000.

Where the heck is all of his money coming from??? He has to be making payments on the house they are in also!! Something doesn't smell right......

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, Gramto6 said:

Where the heck is all of his money coming from??? He has to be making payments on the house they are in also!! Something doesn't smell right......

Maybe he got a bridge loan? It's kind of like taking out an equity loan on the old property (with it as collateral) before it's sold to finance the down payment and closing costs of the new one. That's assuming the other house is still on the market, though, and they would still have to afford the monthly payments on both houses, but if the bridge loan amount is enough that can help with that too.

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, Gramto6 said:

Where the heck is all of his money coming from??? He has to be making payments on the house they are in also!! Something doesn't smell right.

Maybe he sold all of Coyote Pass? Because if he bought another/bigger house, there's no way they'll be building their dream home on CP now.

[altopower]

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

Maybe he sold all of Coyote Pass? Because if he bought another/bigger house, there's no way they'll be building their dream home on CP now.

That sounds very likely. Wasn't his name on all of the properties?  He's sneaky and I could easily see Kody and Robyn selling the CP property and immediately investing in another huge mansion so there's room for ALLLLL the family to gather. Gag me with a spoon.

[Yeah No]

1 hour ago, altopower said:

That sounds very likely. Wasn't his name on all of the properties?  He's sneaky and I could easily see Kody and Robyn selling the CP property and immediately investing in another huge mansion so there's room for ALLLLL the family to gather. Gag me with a spoon.

Is there a way to find out if the CP property was for sale/sold? 

Were any of the OG wives on the CP properties? If so wouldn't he need their consent to sell them? Or did he buy them all out beforehand?

[Auntie Freeze]

Well Janelle seems to have gotten the money to go in on Taeda Farm from somewhere. And Meri is remodelling Lizzie's (though she can likely afford that on her own). It's possible they've been bought out and that Christine waited to file until Janelle had gotten a settlement.

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, Auntie Freeze said:

Well Janelle seems to have gotten the money to go in on Taeda Farm from somewhere. And Meri is remodelling Lizzie's (though she can likely afford that on her own). It's possible they've been bought out and that Christine waited to file until Janelle had gotten a settlement.

Anything is possible but I’ve seen no new entries regarding the property. 

[Gramto6]

Sorry if I posted a repeat in another thread re the possible sale of CP, I hadn't read this thread yet. It was late at night for me and I wanted to post that thought then I went to bed.

If we know anything at all about K&R is they look out for themselves first!!  I feel they would do just about anything they think they can get away with to amass as much of the monies from the family pot and OG's as possible, before anyone else could lay a claim to it. Frankly, I don't trust either one of them any further than I could throw them.

[Denize]

22 hours ago, smarty said:

WOW!  It's a 2 million dollar house.  Kody must have been quietly pocketing money for years to be able to afford the mortgage payment on a 2 million dollar house!  $2,100,000 purchase price with only 20% down is a mortgage of $1,680,000.  That has to be a monthly payment of over $12,000.

It is interesting that the mortgage of $1,680,000 is very close to the asking price of $1,650,000 for their run down house with no updating, no air conditioning, crumbling deck, cistern & propane tanks that need to be filled frequently, baby-poo colour scheme, brothelesque master suite, missing grout, etc.  Nobody believed the place was worth that much! Kody thought he could find a sucker like himself who would buy the place and effectively "pay for" Robyn's newer house.

Edited October 26 by Denize

[LilyD]

Christine was once desperate to marry Kody. She believed herself madly in love and wanted to be his 3rd wife more than anything else, even though Kody wasn't too happy about it but felt pressured into it. 

Now she seems desperate to get married again. She believes herself madly in love and wants to be his new wife more than anything else. Does anyone else see the parallels here? 

She's older, but none the wiser though David seems to genuinely care for her. 

[Elizzikra]

2 hours ago, LilyD said:

Christine was once desperate to marry Kody. She believed herself madly in love and wanted to be his 3rd wife more than anything else, even though Kody wasn't too happy about it but felt pressured into it. 

Now she seems desperate to get married again. She believes herself madly in love and wants to be his new wife more than anything else. Does anyone else see the parallels here? 

She's older, but none the wiser though David seems to genuinely care for her. 

Point taken, but I would hope that anyone getting married is madly in love with their partner and if not desperate to marry him/her, is at least pretty eager to do so…

[LilyD]

I just hope she actually is in love and not in love with the idea of being in love / getting married...(which is what I meant)

[Yeah No]

17 hours ago, LilyD said:

Christine was once desperate to marry Kody. She believed herself madly in love and wanted to be his 3rd wife more than anything else, even though Kody wasn't too happy about it but felt pressured into it. 

Now she seems desperate to get married again. She believes herself madly in love and wants to be his new wife more than anything else. Does anyone else see the parallels here? 

She's older, but none the wiser though David seems to genuinely care for her. 

Yes, those parallels have not been lost on me, but if she's going to lose her mind over someone and be desperate to marry them, she could do a lot worse than David. He seems like a solid, decent, stable guy and I never would have said that about Kody. Kody always bugged me. I just hope she doesn't get hurt this time. I can't see David hurting her, though. If anything goes wrong I think it will be her passion for him cooling over time, which can be a challenge to get through when you start out that infatuated with someone. And I don't know if she's emotionally mature enough to weather that. David may be a really nice guy but he is a bit older than she is and already not that great looking, and I don't know if Christine is thinking about what that might mean after several years. His energy level will be going down when hers is still higher. That and any age related health conditions could impact them in many ways including in the bedroom.

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, LilyD said:

I just hope she actually is in love and not in love with the idea of being in love / getting married...(which is what I meant)

I hope so too, and David seems to really love her and seems grounded.  Fingers crossed for them. 

 

[lookeyloo]

How long are they married in real life now?  Have we seen any cracks in the relationship in real time?  Maybe they both want it to work and there is enough there to make it work.  Or not.  Time will tell.

[ginger90]

9 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

How long are they married in real life now?

They were married October 7, 2023.

[Meow Mix]

On 10/29/2024 at 10:58 AM, Yeah No said:

Yes, those parallels have not been lost on me, but if she's going to lose her mind over someone and be desperate to marry them, she could do a lot worse than David. He seems like a solid, decent, stable guy and I never would have said that about Kody. Kody always bugged me. I just hope she doesn't get hurt this time. I can't see David hurting her, though. If anything goes wrong I think it will be her passion for him cooling over time, which can be a challenge to get through when you start out that infatuated with someone. And I don't know if she's emotionally mature enough to weather that. David may be a really nice guy but he is a bit older than she is and already not that great looking, and I don't know if Christine is thinking about what that might mean after several years. His energy level will be going down when hers is still higher. That and any age related health conditions could impact them in many ways including in the bedroom.

I see your point, but take into account that she was tied to Kody for so many years.  When I heard she had gotten involved with David, my first thought was that he wouldn't have to be that magnificent in the bedroom to turn her head.  Just someone who is loving and actually kisses her and wants to be with her would be a revelation to her.  Also, Christine's energy level is going to change as well .  Take it from someone on the other end of the 50s they might even out together.  I wish them the best.

That said, I wish she had slowed down at least for Truely's sake.  Anyone can be on their best behavior for a few months, so I would want to see the guy for a while before I brought him around my hypothetical kid.  Part of getting to know someone is seeing if they are patient enough to move at a slower pace.  If David was rushing things as well, I would be very suspicious.  

[laurakaye]

I'm cool with Christine losing her mind over David but it's clear that her kids think she is moving way too fast.  And while Christine has waited a long time to find a man who seems to really love her, her saying that she doesn't care what her kids think isn't going to help them get over the fact that Kody never loved their mother and has been an absentee dad to most of them.  Just because Christine has been able to move on at lightning speed doesn't mean the kids have, no matter how badly Kody treated all of them.  She really should've allowed them to catch up instead of looking at wedding venues when they'd only been dating 6 weeks.  Truely was actively trying to break them up on the last episode by running in between them.  I wish she'd have given her kids time to heal.  

[General Days]

54 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

I'm cool with Christine losing her mind over David but it's clear that her kids think she is moving way too fast.  And while Christine has waited a long time to find a man who seems to really love her, her saying that she doesn't care what her kids think isn't going to help them get over the fact that Kody never loved their mother and has been an absentee dad to most of them.  Just because Christine has been able to move on at lightning speed doesn't mean the kids have, no matter how badly Kody treated all of them.  She really should've allowed them to catch up instead of looking at wedding venues when they'd only been dating 6 weeks.  Truely was actively trying to break them up on the last episode by running in between them.  I wish she'd have given her kids time to heal.  

 

The timeline is a jumble in my head.

I know Christine married David in October 2023. I know Christine said in this most recent episode (S19.E07 "Labor of Love") that she started dating David in early December 2022, and in a Talking-Head, she dated the Moab wedding venue excursion to late January 2023 — so six to eight weeks after they met.

Christine left Kody in the autumn of 2021 though, right? That is, this excursion was over a year after she left Kody, right? It wasn't just a couple/few months. Is that correct?

I still think it was too soon, maybe not after the split from Kody itself (although kind of that as well), but just too soon after meeting David. I think a smarter woman would have given her kids (and herself) a year to get to know this man, before marrying him and bringing Truely to live with him (six months at the very least). Hell lady, you haven't even seen how he's gonna hold up in hot weather.

[Sasha888]

I will be interested to see if Truely decides to spend any time with Kody. My first thought was that she would not, but after seeing this latest episode where she tries several times to physically shove her mom and David apart, I am now not so sure.

I think Christine may have waited to sue for child support until Truely would be old enough to choose whether or not she wanted to visit her dad - thinking she'd choose not to visit K&R. But perhaps Truely surprised her, and said she did want the visits.

And then Robyn leveraged that into getting herself a new house - because she "needed a room for Truely" (and tacked on a guest house and a downstairs apt for Dayton and her mother and whoever else she could think of).

I'm no child psychologist, but Truely pushing and shoving on C&D made me think she is really, really upset. And Ysabel was making "gag" faces at how much they were hanging all over each other. I get that Christine has had a hard life, but so have her kids - can't she show them any respect? Her statements about how they better just get used to it, and "oh well, too bad" seem incredibly selfish to me.

Christine's social media posts make everything seem fine, but Truely isn't taking this as well as I thought she was, and I wonder if she's decided to still have visits with her dad to get a break from the PDA twins.

Christine does deserve child support and all that, but she really should grow up and start acting like a mother, or she will be the one "getting used to" her kids not wanting to be around her.

It would be nice if Christine and Kody would spend as much time thinking about Truely's adjustment to this situation as we on this board do!

[65mickey]

I would not have moved him into the house prior to the marriage. Didn't he have his own place? Truely has had a tough couple of years. She is a smart kid and could see the rejection that she received form Kody. We could also see that she was uncomfortable with the PDA between David and her mother. Christine should have been more understanding with Truely. But it was like she was not going to let him get away. No siree.

[ginger90]

Truely will not get to decide what the order says regarding visitation.

 

I would certainly hope that 2 years later things have gotten more settled as far as the “yuck factor “ with Christine, David, and the kids.

[Orcinus orca]

5 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

I get that Christine has had a hard life, but so have her kids - can't she show them any respect? Her statements about how they better just get used to it, and "oh well, too bad" seem incredibly selfish to me.

Sparkle Pony has always been, first and foremost, for herself.  She stated before the breakup that if Kootie had come back into her bed, she would have stayed.  And that was after he refused to go with Ysabel for her surgery. 

She acts like she supports her kids but she's a selfish teeny bopper snogging her boyfriend even when it makes her kids uncomfortable.  She's as bad to me, me, me as Kootie, just not as noxious.

Edited November 2 by Orcinus orca

[Absolom]

3 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

I get that Christine has had a hard life, but so have her kids - can't she show them any respect? Her statements about how they better just get used to it, and "oh well, too bad" seem incredibly selfish to me.

Her kids were right there seeing things.  From the distance of our monitors we were saying she moved too fast.  If the kids were reacting so obviously to the new guy, then Christine should have slowed things way down.  It wouldn't have killed Christine or David to give the kids time to get to know him and to adjust.  A month or two is nothing in her situation.  Those comments were extremely selfish and dismissive of her children who had valid concerns.

[Elizzikra]

Quote

Truely will not get to decide what the order says regarding visitation.

Legally, perhaps not, but anyone who has ever been 14 or had a 14 year old knows that they don't really go anywhere they don't want to go.

[LilyD]

My main concern is not just about Truely shoving David and Christine apart. It’s how she behaved constantly when visiting those wedding venues.

It goes from manically running in and out of the picture, to a sort of absent-minded “floating” in and out of the background Also, if you look closely, you see she makes very little contact with everybody else. Even taking Christine and David apart was little more than physically separating them. This isn’t standard behavior for a 14-year-old

Mind you, I’m not saying there is something seriously wrong with Truely herself, but I do see a teen who is struggling to deal with everything around her. And that is a lot!  Christine should have been more mindful of that, but like you all said: Christine is all about herself….

[surfgirl]

All this armchair child psychologizing (yes it's a real word, maybe!) is just that. Nobody here or anywhere in the viewersphere really knows what went on, nor what is going on. Truly's behavior looks totally normal for a kid her age reacting to her mom's boyfriend. It doesn't look overwrought to me at all. And not for nothing but she's never seen her bio-dad treat her mom with affection so it's all new to her. Again, it seems like a totally normal reaction from a pre-teen kid. I didn't hear any of her kids say that they did not like David or that David was weird or anything negative. They only said THEY felt their mom was moving too fast. But that is their issue and there are many reasons they may have felt that way. And it's all moot anyway because TLC has already shown us a full wedding special so we all already know how happy C&D's kids are that they got married. Which begs the real question: WTF is TLC showing us this garbage when we know they had a fabulous family centered wedding and everyone was happy? 

Edited November 2 by surfgirl

[Quof]

4 hours ago, LilyD said:

This isn’t standard behavior for a 14-year-old

She was 12

[65mickey]

5 hours ago, surfgirl said:

WTF is TKC showing us this garbawhen we know they had a fabulous family centered wedding and everyone was happy? 

Because they have nothing else to show and TLC wants to keep this show going as much as the browns do even if it is on life support.

[Sharla]

8 hours ago, surfgirl said:

WTF is TKC showing us this garbawhen we know they had a fabulous family centered wedding and everyone was happy? 

It's simple:  money.   Most viewers don't read online about the show.

[Auntie Freeze]

6 hours ago, Quof said:

She was 12

Not only that, she was a young 12. I seem to recall she had trouble fitting in in school in Flagstaff and I think she was homeschooled for a time even before the Rona. So it makes sense that she's a little younger than her years in some aspects.

I'd bet she's ahead of her years in other areas such as reading.

[GeeGolly]

Christine pretty much stopped parenting her kids during their teen years, likely because she never met any of the typical young adult milestones. A case of arrested development. Fast forward a few decades and Christine finally got to live out her teen years and acted as such.

It too bad her 'mom self' didn't supersede her 'teen self', for the sake of her kids.

[65mickey]

Girls at 12 and 13 are often socially awkward. They are no longer young children and not quite teens. It can be a difficult time.  I don't care how much you are in love with your new soul mate if your young daughter finds the PDA in front of her uncomfortable and embarrassing then the parent needs to cut it out. There is a time and place for everything. I have a feeling that Christine was doing this for the cameras and to get to Kody knowing that he would see it. Have a little respect for your children.

[Elizzikra]

4 hours ago, 65mickey said:

Girls at 12 and 13 are often socially awkward. They are no longer young children and not quite teens. It can be a difficult time.  I don't care how much you are in love with your new soul mate if your young daughter finds the PDA in front of her uncomfortable and embarrassing then the parent needs to cut it out. There is a time and place for everything. I have a feeling that Christine was doing this for the cameras and to get to Kody knowing that he would see it. Have a little respect for your children.

Ok - I didn’t watch so I didn’t have an opinion, but honestly - if I’d stopped doing everything that embarrassed my kid when she was 12, I would have ceased to exist altogether.

[Dibs]

6 hours ago, 65mickey said:

I have a feeling that Christine was doing this for the cameras and to get to Kody knowing that he would see it. Have a little respect for your children.

I'm glad someone else finally sees it.  She seems obsessed with "sticking it" to Kody and letting him know how fabulous her life without him is.  From the constant picture-taking (complete with jabs at him) to the excessive PDA on camera.  If she were really that happy, she wouldn't even be thinking about him.  She'd also be able to be in the same room with him without acting like a child.

It'd be bad enough if she were really just so in love that she couldn't restrain herself, but the idea that she would make her children - including a minor child - uncomfortable and rush into another relationship just to "punish" Kody and get "revenge" is very spiteful and pretty reprehensible.

 

 

Edited November 3 by Dibs

[Soapy Goddess]

2 hours ago, Dibs said:

but the idea that she would make her children - including a minor child - uncomfortable and rush into another relationship just to "punish" Kody and get "revenge" is very spiteful and pretty reprehensible.

I don't think she's purposely making her child uncomfortable just to punish and/or get revenge on Kody. 

The problem with Truly and PDA is that she's never seen it before! At least not between her mother and Kody. This is all new to her. Add that to the face that most kids find any form of PDA between their parents somewhat "icky". I believe all this plays into Truly's behavior. And once she gets used to PDA, she'll be just fine.

Edited November 3 by Soapy Goddess

[65mickey]

4 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

most kids find any form of PDA between their parents somewhat "icky". I believe all this plays into Truly's behavior.

That's the problem that I have with this. Kids do not want to see their parents making  out and rubbing up against each other looking like thy are ready to hop in the sack. What Christine and David were up to goes beyond an affectionate  kiss or holding hands. Open mouth with tongue action kissing would most like gross out any kid. 

[Dibs]

7 hours ago, Soapy Goddess said:

I don't think she's purposely making her child uncomfortable just to punish and/or get revenge on Kody. 

I think she's determined to "get a man" and flaunt it and simply doesn't care if anyone doesn't like it, including her children.

No one needs to "get used to" seeing tongue on anyone, especially your mother.

Christine seems addicted to social media now.  Maybe she and her new love could get an Only Fans and show off the entire package!

Edited November 3 by Dibs

[Denize]

3 hours ago, Dibs said:

No one needs to "get used to" seeing tongue on anyone, especially your mother.

At the time this was filmed, Truely was at the peak age for finding this stuff extremely icky, and since she knew the camera was on her, she may have felt the need to show us how she felt because to act like it was "normal" would be uncool for her age group.

[Meow Mix]

Truely's reaction to the IMO overt PDA, was pretty normal.  At 12 most of us would have been really embarrassed if our parent acted that way.  It went beyond holding hands and a few pecks to constant smacking noises and tonsil hockey.  I'm not 12 and I was getting grossed out.  Now, that being said, they were still better than JB Duggar who dry humped his wife on a public minigolf course in front of their daughter and her boyfriend.  Still need brain bleach for that one.

One thing also to remember about all the OG13 is that they were pretty physical with each other.  There was always a lot of roughhousing and pushing and shoving going on, so Truely is going to pick up on that and do it when she wants to express anything.  Add to that that she must have a lot of complex feelings going on inside her that she isn't yet equipped to process, and you have the wandering around and moving between Christine and David we saw.  Honestly she has no good space to work out her feelings because neither of her parents can pull their heads out of their butts long enough to notice anything is wrong.

[Dibs]

27 minutes ago, Denize said:

At the time this was filmed, Truely was at the peak age for finding this stuff extremely icky, and since she knew the camera was on her, she may have felt the need to show us how she felt because to act like it was "normal" would be uncool for her age group.

Truly has always been a bit different.  Not sure how concerned she is with appearing cool to her peers.

And how do you explain ALL of us finding it "icky"?  Because the backlash on this has been pretty extreme on the socials.  I realize Christine has experienced a redemption arc lately, but some of us still find her very childish and silly and, in the course of this divorce, obsessive (all the digs at her ex) and vengeful; even gleeful when he's unhappy.  

I think she and David are well-suited and will probably be fine, but the Ghost of Kody is very much a third person in that relationship.

Edited November 3 by Dibs

[Denize]

25 minutes ago, Dibs said:

And how do you explain ALL of us finding it "icky"? 

Because it IS icky!  Perfectly fine behind closed doors, but requiring your icked-out kids to witness it on camera and having their reactions filmed for all the world to see is beyond the pale.  On her rare visits to Robyn's house, did Truely have to see K&R "acting like a married couple" too?  She may ask the judge if she can live with Aspyn!

Edited November 3 by Denize