S06.E01: First Time Again

[natyxg]

That was my first thought too. Rick's plan was crazy high risk. That's a lot of walkers to let loose into the wild for other people to deal with-- which is an assy thing to do to other survivors. If they're all concentrated in one place, why not blow them up or make a fire pit or just find a better way to contain them in the great zombie pit. Fill it with concrete?

 

I kept wanting them to do something like this on the road.

 

 

(From the movie Juan of the dead)

[india wilkes]

wait. my memory is failing me. did we meet the 'wolves'? or have we simply heard about them?

[ghoulina]

pete didn't mean to kill reg; no he meant to kill rick. He went into their house and stole michonnes' katana and if Carl and Judith had been there who knows what that drunken asshole might  have done. A guy in real life who gets fired and takes a gun to his workplace may only intend to kill the management who fired him; but that doesn't  make it an accident to all the other people killed

 

Right. He didn't come bursting into that meeting, yelling and screaming, with the katana because he wanted to have a calm discussion. He was also a wife beater and his youngest son was terrified of him. I do think some more consideration maybe should have been shown towards Ron, but I could give two fucks where they dump his body.

[SimoneS]

pete didn't mean to kill reg; no he meant to kill rick. He went into their house and stole michonnes' katana and if Carl and Judith had been there who knows what that drunken asshole might  have done. A guy in real life who gets fired and takes a gun to his workplace may only intend to kill the management who fired him; but that doesn't  make it an accident to all the other people killed

 

Exactly. Pete would have likely killed Jessie and the boys after he was done with Rick. We see these guys on the news all the time. Yet people act as if they are not dangerous because they were only violent with their partners and children.

[ghoulina]

Rick is turning into the Governor.

 

I don't see that at all. He may have become more callous, but I don't see him being outright evil. Rick wants people to get serious, to fight. He doesn't want to risk bringing anyone else in. But I don't see him killing innocent people and stealing their shit. I don't see him telling another group, "You can't live near us!" and torturing and mauling women to get information. 

 

I really didn't have a problem with anything he did tonight. When he pulled the gun on Carter, he did so because Carter had just had the gun on Eugene! And had been plotting to kill Rick! He wasn't just some innocent doof. And then in the woods - he put him down. What's the biggie? I didn't get why everyone was acting worried about him tonight.

[Joan van Snark]

I guess now I know why I wasn't really that excited about the show coming back.   It just is so clunky and unbelievable sometimes.

 

That scene where Glenn and the other two had to clear the small building---I am sick of these scenes that happen all the time on this show that are so unbelievable.  If they would have sat there and just shot the things there would be no problem, but we had to have the boring trope where the walkers get too close and then the inevitable 'saves'.  Boring.

[ghoulina]

wait. my memory is failing me. did we meet the 'wolves'? or have we simply heard about them?

 

Yes, Morgan encountered them in the woods in the finale. Daryl and Aaron were also trapped by them and saved by Morgan. But then the Wolves found Aaron's backpack or something (foggy memory), and that's how they found out about ASZ.

[CletusMusashi]

As soon as the counter-revolutionaries or whatever you want to call them busted Eugene, I knew exactly what was going to happen. They were going to tie him to a chair, and at the end of that mini-arc he and Olivia were going to be having wild passionate mullet sex. OK, obviously I "knew" wrong, but it just seemed like that's where they were going to go with it. Did anybody else get that vibe? Just me?

Edited October 12, 2015 by CletusMusashi

[MrsRafaelBarba]

wait. my memory is failing me. did we meet the 'wolves'? or have we simply heard about them?

We saw two of them in the S5 finale.

They attacked Morgan and killed Red Poncho Guy.

[mmecorday]

Poor Ethan Embry doing that thing you do in a ZA -- getting his face bitten off while screaming like hell.

Edited October 12, 2015 by mmecorday

[raven]

 

I do think some more consideration maybe should have been shown towards Ron, but I could give two fucks where they dump his body.

I thought it ridiculous for them to forbid his body being buried there; like the only feelings that mattered were Deanna's and Rick's.  Apparently it's shocking to them but there are other living people who do care where it goes and they should have been thinking about them.  Rick actually seemed surprised that Jessie wasn't jumping at the chance for Rick to teach the kid how to defend himself. 

[SimoneS]

I don't see that at all. He may have become more callous, but I don't see him being outright evil. Rick wants people to get serious, to fight. He doesn't want to risk bringing anyone else in. But I don't see him killing innocent people and stealing their shit. I don't see him telling another group, "You can't live near us!" and torturing and mauling women to get information. 

 

I really didn't have a problem with anything he did tonight. When he pulled the gun on Carter, he did so because Carter had just had the gun on Eugene! And had been plotting to kill Rick! He wasn't just some innocent doof. And then in the woods - he put him down. What's the biggie? I didn't get why everyone was acting worried about him tonight.

 

Exactly. When people claim Rick is turning into Shane or Phillip, it makes me think that some people don't remember how bad the deceased bad guys on this show really were and how much evil they did. Rick is practically a saint compared to those two men.

[The Mighty Peanut]

I laughed for a few solid minutes when Gabriel tried to volunteer for the mission and Rick was basically like "Nope! Ain't going to happen! Sit your ass back down, asshole!" I am so with Rick on that.

That was awesome. Ricktatorship was all "NEXT!"

[Mistletoe]

So...The Wolves found the Horn of Winter, blew the sh*t out of it, and now winter is coming to foil Rick-Shane's zombie herding plan. What a bunch of wilding jerks. Solved it. Everything makes sense now.

In all seriousness doe...I like Heath and I'm totally shipping Carol/Morgan. Also, the Pleasantville-esque black & white flashbacks gave me a headache.

[mommalib]

Loved that whole exchange; Morgan being casual about his crazy time.  I liked the little character bits they dropped in - Tara/Maggie, Morgan/Carol, Abraham/Sasha, Daryl not quite being on board with Rick's plan.

 

I love me some Rick but he needs to be challenged. 

 

Really liked this opening; it was a setup for the inevitable something-going-wrong, but it was a good setup. 

 

Oh and we had HUMOR!!  Yay!  Yes, people would still make jokes in ZA.  You would really need to.

 

*shiny object interlude* - Michonne DID take a protein bar they're saying on TTD?  I thought it was a bag of chips, maybe both?  They have a "Morgan's Protein Bar" on TTD LOL.

Challenged for what? Rick is leading and protecting people.

[Ohwell]

I don't see that at all. He may have become more callous, but I don't see him being outright evil. Rick wants people to get serious, to fight. He doesn't want to risk bringing anyone else in. But I don't see him killing innocent people and stealing their shit. I don't see him telling another group, "You can't live near us!" and torturing and mauling women to get information. 

 

I really didn't have a problem with anything he did tonight. When he pulled the gun on Carter, he did so because Carter had just had the gun on Eugene! And had been plotting to kill Rick! He wasn't just some innocent doof. And then in the woods - he put him down. What's the biggie? I didn't get why everyone was acting worried about him tonight.

NuRick would have no problem at all wasting someone who doesn't agree with him.  That's why I'll start calling him NuGovernor. 

[Dodginblue]

I thought Morgan was maybe showing a little of the crazy when he questioned Michonne about taking his protein bar.  Loved Michonne's response, though, you always think there's one more peanut butter bar.  So I guess it was just one of those little meaningless interludes.  And she seemed to share a connection with him in the woods after Carter was taken out, bonding over their mutual understanding of Rick. 

 

This show always causes me so much stress even when nothing's happening.  Why do I put myself through this???  

Edited October 12, 2015 by Dodginblue

[CletusMusashi]

I like that Rosita is giving the townspeople gun lessons.

It's good for her to have a more important job than Official Walrus Shaver.

 

Also, I like that Morgan actually takes care of his weapon, simple and easily replaceable as it may be. Compared to all the times we've seen Michonne use her sword and then put it back in the sheath still dirty, it's nice to see a touch of realistic concern for something that keeps its owner alive.

[raven]

 

I don't see that at all. He may have become more callous, but I don't see him being outright evil.

I don't think he's evil either.  I get Morgan's reaction - he remembers a different Rick.  I think Michonne is worried because Pete was executed, not killed in self defense.  He was down and disarmed.  Whether that was justified or not can be argued, but the show is also apparently trying to show an attraction between Rick & Jessie, which complicates it.

 

I'm curious about Daryl's reaction to Rick's attitude - he's been a follower for a long time and is breaking from that somewhat. 

 

 

Challenged for what? Rick is leading and protecting people.

That doesn't make him automatically right every time or able to think through the nuances of every plan.  No leader should be surrounded by a bunch of yes-men or women.

Edited October 12, 2015 by raven

[Texasmom1970]

I was so distracted by Rick's ten bandaids on his face I couldn't stop looking. Reminded of when my daughter's were young and wanted you to be their patient and they would bandage you up.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Texasmom1970

[ghoulina]

NuRick would have no problem at all wasting someone who doesn't agree with him.  That's why I'll start calling him NuGovernor.

 

Daryl didn't agree with him about recruiting. Michonne pistol whipped him and he didn't even get mad at her. I just don't think he's there yet. Hopefully never. 

[chlban]

I guess now I know why I wasn't really that excited about the show coming back. It just is so clunky and unbelievable sometimes.

That scene where Glenn and the other two had to clear the small building---I am sick of these scenes that happen all the time on this show that are so unbelievable. If they would have sat there and just shot the things there would be no problem, but we had to have the boring trope where the walkers get too close and then the inevitable 'saves'. Boring.

Maybe it's just me but I don't really expect a show about dead people taking over the world to be terribly believable. After suffering through FTWD I was glad to back to our team.

[CletusMusashi]

The bandaids and the black and white kept making me think "Sin City," but some of the massive crowd shots made me think "The 300."

[peach]

I liked the black and white flashbacks.

 

I think the plan was crazy/dumb, but then again, that truck fell off the cliff and that was going to happen that day regardless of their plans.

 

Jessie's giving me Lori 2.0 vibes.  She was right about Rick interacting with Ron, but last season Rick made it 100% clear that he was going to KILL Pete, and she said yes.  Now, it's like, omg, you killed Pete, stay away from my family.  Whatevs.

 

Loved Rick shutting down Father Gabriel, and how do we know HE isn't blowing the horn?  He's kind of big on nobody deserving paradise.  Also loved Sasha giving Abraham the WTF face in the car when he was getting a little out there about brains in his ear. Like, dude, I'm crazy, and even I think you sound whack.

[ghoulina]

I think Michonne is worried because Pete was executed, not killed in self defense.  He was down and disarmed.  Whether that was justified or not can be argued, but the show is also apparently trying to show and attraction between Rick & Jessie, which complicates it.

 

No, it wasn't self-defense, but I don't see it as an execution either. The walker killed him. He bit half his face off. I don't think you can really come back from that. Not only did Rick put him out of his misery, but he stopped the racket that was attracting walkers off the road.

[raven]

 

No, it wasn't self-defense, but I don't see it as an execution either.

I was talking about Pete (Jessie's now dead husband), not Carter of the Plaid Shirt.  I agree about Carter, he was dead anyway.  Michonne looking worried there seemed odd, I was talking about her being worried because Rick killed Pete (last season, just a few days or so ago in show timeline).

[SoSueMe]

No, it wasn't self-defense, but I don't see it as an execution either. The walker killed him. He bit half his face off. I don't think you can really come back from that. Not only did Rick put him out of his misery, but he stopped the racket that was attracting walkers off the road.

Are you thinking of Carter?

[peach]

No, it wasn't self-defense, but I don't see it as an execution either. The walker killed him. He bit half his face off. I don't think you can really come back from that. Not only did Rick put him out of his misery, but he stopped the racket that was attracting walkers off the road.

 

I thought he might throw him out to be roadkill zombie chow, so the knife in the head was pretty humane.

[hoosiermommy]

No, it wasn't self-defense, but I don't see it as an execution either. The walker killed him. He bit half his face off. I don't think you can really come back from that. Not only did Rick put him out of his misery, but he stopped the racket that was attracting walkers off the road.

No, that was Carter tonight.

Pete was the guy who killed Reg in last season's finale. Pete wasn't put out of his misery in the traditional sense (though he was a pretty miserable person, so I suppose strictly speaking he was put out of his misery).

[ghoulina]

I was talking about Pete (Jessie's now dead husband), not Carter of the Plaid Shirt.  I agree about Carter, he was dead anyway.  Michonne looking worried there seemed odd, I was talking about her being worried because Rick killed Pete (last season, just a few days or so ago in show timeline).

 

Oh my bad, I got all mixed up. Yea, that all happened so fast and Deanna virtually commanded it, so I don't have a problem with it. But I can see how it might have scared the people watching it.

[mightysparrow]

I was disappointed. I had heard that this was the best.episode.ever after the MSG event so my expectations were high.

 

I'm disappointed in Rick.  He's turned into such an asshole and what's worse, he had no idea how much of an asshole he is.  He decides to throw a man's body away like garbage, yet can't understand why that man's son doesn't want to spend quality time with him.  Porchdick was an asshole, but he paid for it by being dead.  His wife and children still live in the community.  Don't their feelings matter?  Deanna is in no position to make that kind of decision and Rick needs to step the fuck back.  He can't be the Sheriff AND the moral police too.

 

I'm trying really hard to give Jessie the benefit of the doubt but it's hard.  She should have been angrier that Rick put his hands on her son.  No matter how hot she is for Rick (and vice versa) she has two boys who just lost their father to deal with.

 

I'm liking Heath.  I just hope he makes it to the mid-season finale.

 

So Sasha is miraculously cured now.  Who knew that a walker-mattress had such restorative powers?  Maybe Abraham needs to take a nap.

 

I'm finding it harder and harder to dislike Eugene.  The character is still loathsome but Josh does such a great job playing him.

 

More Morgan and Michonne, please.

[peach]

I thought Morgan was maybe showing a little of the crazy when he questioned Michonne about taking his protein bar.  Loved Michonne's response, though, you always think there's one more peanut butter bar.  So I guess it was just one of those little meaningless interludes.

 

See, I thought the opposite, that it showed he was lucid enough to remember everything that happened back then, even though he seemed pretty far gone.  And Michonne's joke showed a little welcome levity.

[Racj82]

I did not mind the black and white. The OG Zombie flick that started the craze (Night of the Living Dead) is in black in white and they like to show reruns of Dead in black in white so in two ways it's neither jarring or out of the ordinary to me.

 

Carol was cracking me the fuck up with her "I''m just a dumb little women routine". Of course Morgan sees through the BS. He's seen even more than most of these people here. Magical Negro he is not. He just happens to be a black man. I also don't think he will be able "heal" Rick. Rick is just going to get crazier.

 

I wonder if they pulled back on the growing interest of the wife toward Rick because people kept complaining about it? I had no issue with it.

 

I don't have a problem with the others having a issue with Rick. They built this haven for themselves and Rick and crew are just steamrolling over them and the person in charge has all but ignored them. Also, as Rick said, they really don't get the danger they are because they haven't lived it as much out there.

 

Why didn't they firebomb the pit. Because TV. I don't bother asking these questions anymore. If everyone did the exact thing they should or the easiest solution, it would make for one boring tv show.

 

Why did we have to watch the show knowing it had to end up bad? When does anything ever go well in scenarios like this on tv or movies? If I had a issue with that, I might else just not bother watching anything anymore.

 

 

I'm trying really hard to give Jessie the benefit of the doubt but it's hard.  She should have been angrier that Rick put his hands on her son.  No matter how hot she is for Rick (and vice versa) she has two boys who just lost their father to deal with.

Maybe him saving her sons life allowed her to just call it day. That and I don't know what else she was supposed to be saying. She said everything that needed to be said.

 

 

I thought Morgan was maybe showing a little of the crazy when he questioned Michonne about taking his protein bar.  Loved Michonne's response, though, you always think there's one more peanut butter bar.  So I guess it was just one of those little meaningless interludes.

It was a welcome moment of levity and foreshadowing that those three share a house together.

 

 

I guess now I know why I wasn't really that excited about the show coming back. It just is so clunky and unbelievable sometimes.

That scene where Glenn and the other two had to clear the small building---I am sick of these scenes that happen all the time on this show that are so unbelievable. If they would have sat there and just shot the things there would be no problem, but we had to have the boring trope where the walkers get too close and then the inevitable 'saves'. Boring.w

Wouldn't people just shooting at zombies like a shooting gallery be more boring? And they were going to have to reload at some point which caused the escalation. What happened actually makes sense.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Racj82

[CletusMusashi]

Hey, couldn't you just kill all those zombies by driving a fire truck over to the pit and squirting them? 

[mommalib]

I did not mind the black and white. The OG Zombie flick that started the craze (Night of the Living Dead) is in black in white and they like to show reruns of Dead in black in white so in two ways it's neither jarring or out of the ordinary to me.

 

Carol was cracking me the fuck up with her "I''m just a dumb little women routine". Of course Morgan sees through the BS. He's seen even more than most of these people here. Magical Negro he is not. He just happens to be a black man. I also don't think he will be able "heal" Rick. Rick is just going to get crazier.

 

I wonder if they pulled back on the growing interest of the wife toward Rick because people kept complaining about it? I had no issue with it.

 

I don't have a problem with the others having a issue with Rick. They built this haven for themselves and Rick and crew are just steamrolling over them and the person in charge has all but ignored them. Also, as Rick said, they really don't get the danger they are because they haven't lived it as much out there.

 

Why didn't they firebomb the pit. Because TV. I don't bother asking these questions anymore. If everyone did the exact thing they should or the easiest solution, it would make for one boring tv show.

 

Why did we have to watch the show knowing it had to end up bad? When does anything ever go well in scenarios like this on tv or movies? If I had a issue with that, I might else just not bother watching anything anymore.

Rick has to do what he has to do. Leave it to those other people and everybody would be dead by now. Those people have no idea how to survive.

[Dodginblue]

I was disappointed. I had heard that this was the best.episode.ever after the MSG event so my expectations were high.

 

I'm disappointed in Rick.  He's turned into such an asshole and what's worse, he had no idea how much of an asshole he is.  He decides to throw a man's body away like garbage, yet can't understand why that man's son doesn't want to spend quality time with him.  Porchdick was an asshole, but he paid for it by being dead.  His wife and children still live in the community.  Don't their feelings matter?  Deanna is in no position to make that kind of decision and Rick needs to step the fuck back.  He can't be the Sheriff AND the moral police too.

 

I'm trying really hard to give Jessie the benefit of the doubt but it's hard.  She should have been angrier that Rick put his hands on her son.  No matter how hot she is for Rick (and vice versa) she has two boys who just lost their father to deal with.

 

I'm liking Heath.  I just hope he makes it to the mid-season finale.

 

So Sasha is miraculously cured now.  Who knew that a walker-mattress had such restorative powers?  Maybe Abraham needs to take a nap.

 

I'm finding it harder and harder to dislike Eugene.  The character is still loathsome but Josh does such a great job playing him.

 

More Morgan and Michonne, please.

 

I thought insisting that Pete's body be dumped in the woods was callous but also stupid since it meant an unnecessary trip outside the walls but then I figured it was a plot device, a reason to get Rick and Morgan in a position to discover the walker pit.  And Rick did redeem himself a bit after discovering Ron out there by burying the body on the way back so he's not a complete goner.

 

I don't think Eugene is loathsome so much as a great example of someone who should never have lasted this long in the ZA but somehow he's managed to do it, and not by being strong and fearless although he's had his moments and has made his contributions, at least since the truth about DC came out.  Agree that the actor playing him is doing an excellent job. 

Edited October 12, 2015 by Dodginblue

[Raven1707]

The AMC Live Stream was pretty choppy tonight, and I imagine I missed all kinds of things, so I'm going to watch again (and again) before commenting further...

 

Have fun!

[Racj82]

Rick has to do what he has to do. Leave it to those other people and everybody would be dead by now. Those people have no idea how to survive.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you. They are the idiots in this scenario.

[Beast Saver]

I hated the black and white flashbacks. They didn't add anything to the suspense of the show. I would have rather they told the story from start to finish so you didn't know that Rick had the cooperation he needed for the operation (shown from the very beginning of the show). Another one is when they show Glenn and company actually clearing the building, then later they show them planning to clear the building. :-/ I hope they don't plan to do this anymore. If they do, I won't be waiting with eagerness for Sundays anymore. I'll still watch because I love me zombies, but I was disappointed with how the show was edited.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Beast Saver

[The Mighty Peanut]

OMG -- I'm watching the encore and I can't believe I didn't notice the reference to my favorite pop culture moment ever when Abraham said "Damn it, we'll do it live." I only wish AMC would have allowed the f bomb.

Edited October 12, 2015 by The Mighty Peanut

[Nashville]

I'm going to say it:  I thought B&W flashbacks were a good idea.

 

I was ok with it; decent method to deal with two different-but-converging time streams.  I'm not sure how I would have done it better, so I'm not going to complain about it.  :)

 

The bandaids and the black and white kept making me think "Sin City," but some of the massive crowd shots made me think "The 300."

 

Damn, you beat me to it.  The scene where Abraham is carrying Reg's body back to where it will eventually be buried?  Two thoughts went through my mind:

1. Damn, this could be an outtake straight out of Sin City.
2. Damn, B&W makes Cuddles look old.

[peach]

Rick has to do what he has to do. Leave it to those other people and everybody would be dead by now. Those people have no idea how to survive.

 

I think Rick also knows time is always, always of the essence.  He's not interested in convincing people, he's just going to make them do what he wants and figure they will pick it up as they go along.  I liked his talk with Morgan where he admitted he wanted to kill Carter just to make everything easier.  But he hasn't crossed the line into killing for that kind of expediency, even though he wants to.  And he realized that Carter would end up dead without him having to kill him personally.

[Nashville]

And [Rick] realized that Carter would end up dead without him having to kill him personally.

 

Well, Rick did kind of kill him personally.

But only because bitch wouldn't shut the fuck up when they needed him to.

So THAT'S all right.

[editorgrrl]

The scene where Abraham is carrying Reg's body back to where it will eventually be buried? Two thoughts went through my mind:

• Damn, this could be an outtake straight out of Sin City.
• Damn, B&W makes Cuddles look old.

Michael Cudlitz (Abraham) is 50; Ethan Embry (Carter) is only 37.

Edited October 12, 2015 by editorgrrl

[peach]

Well, Rick did kind of kill him personally.

But only because bitch wouldn't shut the fuck up when they needed him to.

So THAT'S all right.

 

He was already dead!  He just needed hurried along.  And definitely all right.

[CletusMusashi]

If Ron ever does learn to fight, he's going to be terrifying. The kid can apparently run as fast as a car.

[Nashville]

Michael Cudlitz (Abraham) is 50; Ethan Embry (Carter) is only 37.

 

My remark wasn't a commentary on Cuddles' actual age; that ultra-high-def B&W always has a tendency to emphasize every skin fold and wrinkle you ever thought of having.

[Enero]

Why didn't they firebomb the pit. Because TV. I don't bother asking these questions anymore. If everyone did the exact thing they should or the easiest solution, it would make for one boring tv show.

 

 

Wouldn't they still encounter the same problem of having more walkers being drawn to the location with a firebomb?  I agree though with others, the plan was very flawed. The least little thing that goes wrong, as it did, and all goes to hell.

 

 

 

He's seen even more than most of these people here... I also don't think he will be able "heal" Rick.

 

Agreed. He might prevent Rick from getting closer to the edge, but he won't be able to heal him. Also, though I hope Morgan sticks around for a while, I wouldn't be surprised if he eventually ventured out on his own again, leaving Rick, his craziness and all the drama that comes with being with a group behind.

 

 

 

I'm totally shipping Carol/Morgan.

 

Ummm no. I do not want to see him with cray cray at all. Though what am I saying, Carol is so far off the reservation that a romantic relationship is not even in her stratosphere right now and I suspect never will be considering what she's become.

 

Though nothing really happened this episode, I liked the action and the character moments. I'm already loving having Morgan on board. I like that people are challenging Rick too. With a big heard of walkers headed towards and likely to invade their homestead, I suspect their nice size community will get reduced significantly.

Edited October 12, 2015 by Enero

[mmecorday]

Call me crazy, but wouldn't it have made more sense to try and find a way to keep the walkers in the quarry contained? Or at least use the farming equipment to mow them down since their skeletal systems are so fragile now all it takes is a slight rub against a wall to cause their skulls to explode?

[SimoneS]

The comments so far are focused on Rick, but I found Glenn's leadership role with Heath and his new baby duck was very interesting. Glenn has really come very far from the terrified, but daring young man we  met in the premiere. I loved Glenn's determination to take out the walkers and protect his baby duck.