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Thanks - that will teach me to ask a question before I've seen the whole thing -

 

In any case, this is way too many Lukes.  No one needs this many or, even one.  Who is playing this imposter??  They need to come up another story for when TG goes on vacation; this is so stupidly redundant already - either he's duplicated (or in triplicate) or he's tied up somewhere.  

 

Elizabeth is acting very wispy - she always has to some degree but seems more so recently and good heavens, she is the size of a pea and the camera does genuinely add about 10 pounds.  She looks like she could be carried off with the next bit of hot air from a character.

 

Boy - they must have really twisted themselves into knots to come up with the idea that Patrick knew about Jason  not dying.  Especially him given what he went through thinking his wife was dead.  I would like to think his explanation will be interesting but I know it won't be.

 

 

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Britt. Gurl. You didn't mean anything to Nik. No woman does. You're so much better off without him and his horror of a son.

 

Aw, I think Emily meant something to him (and Gia, but I always think of that Nik as a different character honestly). And I think he cares for his mom and his sister. And I think he cares for Liz, even if the actually sex doesn't mean much to him, imo.

 

I have no time for 112 year old Helena muahaha-ing about some lame vague master plan. At this point they better give me some exposition about how Helena is using the sorcerer/philosopher's stone for longevity.

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As long as we don't see Geary singing in Heaven again.  As bad as TAAS has been, nothing's been truly that spectacularly awful for a while.

 

 

I like Howarth (and I only know him from this show, but enough to know he's been wasted).  Don't like Nina, but I really enjoyed watching both actors react to the baby -- it's an adorable baby with a very expressive face and they were getting a kick out of it. Probably also because it took their minds off the magnitude of suck of the storyline.  How cute was that sneezing and the "bless you"s?

 

I will always be willing to watch a handsome man beaming at a baby.  Preferably a shirtless handsome man, which I'm sure can be arranged for RH in the near future.  And Detective Plywood Kitty.  I'd add Dante, but I don't want to look at that unfortunate tattoo again.

 

If you're talking about his tramp stamp, he's gotten that removed recently. If you're talking about the giant bull on his arm, he still has that though.

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Aw, I think Emily meant something to him (and Gia, but I always think of that Nik as a different character honestly). And I think he cares for his mom and his sister. And I think he cares for Liz, even if the actually sex doesn't mean much to him, imo.

 

Nik's track record with women is pretty bad no matter who they are, though Laura and Lulu have gotten better treatment. That's not saying much, though. That bar is set pretty low.

 

As long as we don't see Geary singing in Heaven again.  As bad as TAAS has been, nothing's been truly that spectacularly awful for a while.

 

I have PTSD from that. 

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I wasn't really watching during the Zacchara time on the show so I never formed an opinion about Johnny one way or another but I am thinking that's his voice calling to Sonny in the preview.

 

I also noticed how very gray Maurice's beard is getting, at least there was no Carly sighting, at least yet.

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I forgot to say, I call bullshit on the Qs having their washer and dryer in the basement. They're rich! Surely they could have gotten some renovators to move it upstairs somewhere.

 

Sometimes it's the little things. Unless it was someone else's basement. Probably Wyndemere's. "Father! I heard unclw Luke down in the basement! I'm not suwe though cause I would never do something so townie like actually look at our washer and dwyer!" "Not now Spencer, daddy's too busy apathetically trying to get into auntie Liz's pants."

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Boy - they must have really twisted themselves into knots to come up with the idea that Patrick knew about Jason  not dying.  Especially him given what he went through thinking his wife was dead.  I would like to think his explanation will be interesting but I know it won't be.

 

No, Patrick knew Jason wasn't dead--because that was the reason Robin was threatened into leaving last year after Christmas.  When he found her at that clinic, she lied to him (to protect his ass), that she tried to save Jason, but she failed.  So, no need for the hacks in charge to figure out how could Patrick know, when that was REASON why Robin was carted off.

 

Then again, with this regime, they could totally change it and say, it was all Patrick's dream to explain away why Robin would "abandon" him and Emma.

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"Not now Spencer, daddy's too busy apathetically trying to get into auntie Liz's pants."

 

Can't Nik wait at least eight hours before sniffing around Liz again? Ugh. It makes Nik look so gross.

 

 

I can't stop laughing at Patrick's "Spencer Cassadine told us!" As if Spencer is some higher power.

 

Faison's reaction to that was hilarious, too.

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I can't stop laughing at Patrick's "Spencer Cassadine told us!" As if Spencer is some higher power.

 

 

 

But Sam backed him up with the "And he's my cousin" comment. Because being a kid and Sam's relative makes him a pillar of truth.

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Are we even sure she is being held captive right now? I assume yes, since she's not returned but her holder is walking around PC. Who/What is keeping Robin away?

 

Jerry is still out there. Isn't he involved in Robin's Hostage Crisis? Wasn't he involved in faking her death originally?

 

 

Boy - they must have really twisted themselves into knots to come up with the idea that Patrick knew about Jason  not dying.

 

I thought Patrick was under the impression that Jason died in the clinic explosion?

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No, Patrick knew Jason wasn't dead--because that was the reason Robin was threatened into leaving last year after Christmas.  When he found her at that clinic, she lied to him (to protect his ass), that she tried to save Jason, but she failed.  So, no need for the hacks in charge to figure out how could Patrick know, when that was REASON why Robin was carted off.

 

Then again, with this regime, they could totally change it and say, it was all Patrick's dream to explain away why Robin would "abandon" him and Emma.

 

I can't wait for Patrick to claim that he couldn't say anything because he was protecting Robin...when he told Sabrina and Anna.

I'd pay money if Sam was like, "Wait....so you're divorcing Robin because she went to save my husband? And you're pissed she wasn't there for Blanket when Victor was the one behind the crash? Fuck you!"

 

But Sam backed him up with the "And he's my cousin" comment. Because being a kid and Sam's relative makes him a pillar of truth.

That was epic, as well. Two heads are NOT better than one when it comes to Samtrick.

 

I thought Patrick was under the impression that Jason died in the clinic explosion?

Robin told Patrick that her work failed and Jason died at the clinic.

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I'd pay money if Sam was like, "Wait....so you're divorcing Robin because she went to save my husband? And you're pissed she wasn't there for Blanket when Victor was the one behind the crash? Fuck you!"

 

 

When Robin comes back, one of the things I want is for her and Sam to have one of those "seriously, can you believe this asshole??" conversations as they compare notes on what's gone down over the past year or so. 

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Jerry is still out there. Isn't he involved in Robin's Hostage Crisis? Wasn't he involved in faking her death originally?

 

You are right, I forgot all about Jerry's role. I assume he has no stakes since he got what he wanted, cure. In any case, it makes the storyline all the more convoluted.

 

I thought Patrick was under the impression that Jason died in the clinic explosion?

 

 

He genuinely believe he is dead. Not because of the explosion though, Robin lied and told him she couldn't save Jason.

 

On second thought, maybe Robin didn't lie. She believed Jason died for a nano second. 

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When Robin comes back, one of the things I want is for her and Sam to have one of those "seriously, can you believe this asshole??" conversations as they compare notes on what's gone down over the past year or so.

I can't even explain how much I want that. After all this bullshit, I'm headed for the barge if Ron even TRIES to write Robin/Sam fighting for that asshat. Like, for the love of lemon bars....no.

Ron has put the final 8557743 nails in the Scrubs coffin. If anything, this is the perfect way for Robin to exit. Come back, realize Patty didn't give a flying fuck, and share custody of her daughter. The end with a pretty ribbon on top.

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But Sam backed him up with the "And he's my cousin" comment. Because being a kid and Sam's relative makes him a pillar of truth.

 

This just proves that everyone in this storyline is stupid, not just Lulu and Tracy.  Three of my cousins made the front page of the newspaper once, and not for good reasons. To use the fact that someone is related to you must mean they are beyond reproach, is ridiculous. Just ask Nathan how he feels(as if we didn't know) about Dr O's status as a paragon of truth.

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Ron has put the final 8557743 nails in the Scrubs coffin.

 

Which is ironic considering his goal is to keep them viable thus the "misunderstanding" is why they are divorcing.

 

What the genius forget is that one half of the pairing being in perpetual peril while the other appear to give no fucks IS a death nail on the relationship.

 

You know I tend to defend Patrick with regards to his disregard for Robin's whereabouts but that doesn't mean I think the Scrubs pairing is viable. For me, the problem is not Patrick, it is the whole shebang. 

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What the genius forget is that one half of the pairing being in perpetual peril while the other appear to give no fucks IS a death nail on the relationship.

We can agree on this!

I fear when KMc does come back because all I want is her to tell Patty to fuck off and I know Ron won't give me that pleasure.

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Some of these actors deserve so much better than this show. FH and AH were just brilliant today. I feel so lucky I get to witness them performing.

 

It's been said, but it deserves repeating, Faison fucking killed it today. Everything he said was just magnificent.

 

Brad/Britt, awwww! I'm still astonished that RC managed to write an actual good friendship and give it any screen time at all. I'm really happy we got a final scene with them. They love each other! While I was watching those scenes I thought about how cute it would've been if Brad/Lucas were going on a date and they noticed Britt was sad over losing Nik and invited her to join them and then they ran into Nathan and the four of them had dinner or something together. Sigh. Also, we better get one last Nathan/Britt scene.

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Some of these actors deserve so much better than this show. FH and AH were just brilliant today. I feel so lucky I get to witness them performing.

 

Between AH being awesome and hating Duke so much, I am thisclose to saying even Faison would be a hotter Anna pairing than Duke at this point.

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I never formed an opinion about Johnny one way or another but I am thinking that's his voice calling to Sonny in the preview.

That's what I'm thinking too, and as far as I'm concerned that's Christmas come early. Johnny always welcomed the opportunity to give Sonny shit. Killing the wrong guy to avenge Connie's death, and the guy was Michael's father. I hope Johnny gets serious licks in. 

 

After all, what can Sonny say? The people Johnny killed don't actually exist. 

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That's what I'm thinking too, and as far as I'm concerned that's Christmas come early. Johnny always welcomed the opportunity to give Sonny shit. Killing the wrong guy to avenge Connie's death, and the guy was Michael's father. I hope Johnny gets serious licks in. 

 

After all, what can Sonny say? The people Johnny killed don't actually exist. 

 

"You  . . . you . . . you (whisper) killed that girl with the head that was almost as big as AJ was fat!"

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Some of these actors deserve so much better than this show. FH and AH were just brilliant today. I feel so lucky I get to witness them performing.

 

 

 

They were giving a master class imho.

 

The subtle things they did during the scenes and how they played off of one another, such as the way Finola kept moving around the room, as if she would dare to get close to him and even let him touch her or grab her and then going off and sitting in the corner as if overwhelmed but struggling to keep it together.

 

And Andres was just masterful, he has not forgotten how to play this character. It amazes me how he can just slip right back into Faison's crazy ass shoes and become him.

 

And I just couldn't get enough of him taking Sam and Patrick to school, it ended way too soon.

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Finola and Anders Hove are riveting every time. That man comes from Dogme films in Denmark, the original Killing, much of Lars von Trier's work - he's the real deal. It's shameful that they're so often wasted. I just stare at them and the way they move and their little bits of business every time they share scenes, or any time Hove is onscreen really, because it can be so rare.

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Also, we better get one last Nathan/Britt scene.

 

We absolutely better.  If Nathan's only sisterly interactions in the near future are going to be with awful Nina, I'm gonna need one last WestSibs session to see me through.

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ulkis, I have to tell you when Anna was telling Tracy and Fluke about how she caused all this by not following "the law" and putting Faison in that hole I was LOL b/c I felt like you were Fluke and I was Tracy. Those reactions were totally what we discussed yesterday.

 

So sorrynotsorry you had to be Fluke, but yah that made ME Tracy!

 

...it was one of those times I loved Tracy though;)

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When Faison tells Patty to not be an idiot and that Victor caused the crash, Patty goes, "Victor Cassadine?" and looks over to Sam with a confused look on his face.

I am laughing my ass off. What in the world!?

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HELENA AND OBRECHT, TOGETHER AT LAST!!!  As someone else mentioned, I thought Constance Towers and Kathleen Gati infused their interactions today with the history, retconned though it may be.  But I liked that there was a subservient bent to it, with Obrecht clearly both fearful (Helena playing “Gotcha!” with Obrecht about murdering her to avenge Victor was hilarious) and enthralled of Helena. 

 

There was one tiny moment in particular I loved.  Helena had just assured Obrecht that she had a plan in place to break Faison out of prison.  A thrilled Obrecht went to touch or possibly hug her, but at the very last second, yanked her hands away from Helena and nervously ran them through her hair instead.  Great work from two great dames.

 

But stealing the episode was Faison and his glorious truth bombing, starting with Anna.  Hey Anna, if you want to convince your daughter to come home to her family, maybe hop on a plane and go see her in person.  That aside, as always, spectacular work between Anders Hove and Finola Hughes.

 

Patrick’s “Oh FUCK” face when Faison dropped the bomb about him knowing Jason was at Crichton-Clark – especially coming on the heels of his epic non-reaction to the truth about what Victor Cassadine did to Robin and his son – was everything.  And Faison’s “Who are you and why should I care?” response to Sam and her bleating about Jason was awesome.

 

I wish Wyndemere would crater into the water and take Nikolas and Spencer along with it.  Spencer is an unworldly brat, but he’s exactly the son that asshole Nikolas deserves.  I’m sure he thinks Spencer’s behavioral problems all land at Britt’s door, but he’s the one who raised this monster.  Not to mention his blatant lies about SWSNBN being a good person.  And, of course, instead of staying and dealing with his son, he hightails it over to Liz’s at the first opportunity.

 

Britt and Brad’s friendship is really everything the show so desperately wanted Sabrina and Felix’s to be and isn’t.  I snerked at Brad’s assertion that Diane and Alexis are in fact not the only two lawyers in the whole town.  But oh Ron, how lame of you to finally address why Britt is constantly broke and homeless as she’s on her way out the door.

 

Fluke being so self-congratulatory about fooling people was so stupid.  Hey bro, if you had maybe acted more like Luke from the get-go instead of hitting on gross Kiki and pulling a gun of Ned, you might not have had to reset your whole plan back to square one.

 

Previews…I’m like 90% positive that Helena’s going to bust out some old-fashioned Cassadine brainwashing on Jake(son) tomorrow.

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And sorry as someone who really knows I call BS on that lame excuse as to why Britt is so broke. While med school loans are a reality it does not negate a healthy paycheck and the ablilty to house one's self and pay for a lawyer. RME!

She is a specialist and would def earn enough to support herself and pay her loans back. Most physicians can support whole families and pay back their loans ffs.

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Previews…I’m like 90% positive that Helena’s going to bust out some old-fashioned Cassadine brainwashing on Jake(son) tomorrow.

 

She'll show him the queen of diamonds.

 

While med school loans are a reality it does not negate a healthy paycheck and the ablilty to house one's self and pay for a lawyer. RME!

I don't have too much trouble with this. She's not that long out of school, and she works at a hospital, not in private practice. It's ridiculous she was homeless for so long, but that was a plot point.

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But stealing the episode was Faison and his glorious truth bombing, starting with Anna. Hey Anna, if you want to convince your daughter to come home to her family, maybe hop on a plane and go see her in person. That aside, as always, spectacular work between Anders Hove and Finola Hughes.

I can't stop watching their scenes. So, so good. What was really interesting was how...lovingly Faison was talking about Robin. His tone completely changed compared to how he was trying to screw with Anna's mind earlier. From him calling her beautiful to him saying that he freed her from that idiot doctor. He was practically buying Anna a plane ticket to Paris and urging her to find her daughter. I was like :O when he said, "You don't listen to nothing." Edited by HeatLifer
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That reminds me, I loved how Tracy said, "try not to handcuff him to a bike rack in the parking lot this time."

 

 

 

 

I thought that was a mighty good zinger, heh, very old Tracy. Although they barely had him handcuffed to the table in the interrogation room.

 

I wish that, after Patrick ran after Sam to try and save his chances of getting her into bed, when Anna came back into the room we saw Faison preparing to escape with the help of that ten foot chain attached to him.

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I don't have too much trouble with this. She's not that long out of school, and she works at a hospital, not in private practice. It's ridiculous she was homeless for so long, but that was a plot point.

 

Plus, knowing Doctor Obrecht, Britt is probably on the hook for her years in boarding school too heh. 

 

I wish that, after Patrick ran after Sam to try and save his chances of getting her into bed, when Anna came back into the room we saw Faison preparing to escape with the help of that ten foot chain attached to him.

 

I loved that Faison was sitting there gleefully smiling about the misery he had caused.

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I wish Wyndemere would crater into the water and take Nikolas and Spencer along with it.  Spencer is an unworldly brat, but he’s exactly the son that asshole Nikolas deserves.  I’m sure he thinks Spencer’s behavioral problems all land at Britt’s door, but he’s the one who raised this monster.  Not to mention his blatant lies about SWSNBN being a good person.  And, of course, instead of staying and dealing with his son, he hightails it over to Liz’s at the first opportunity.

 

Even Nikolas isn't that bad. imo right now it looks like Spencer was just born freaking evil. Every time Spencer gets too much now (so, like, all the time) I go to my happy place of Stefan wordlessly taking him on his lap and giving him a few gentle thwaps on his bum. 

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I know the only reason they paraded people in front of Faison, who is the poster boy for a sociopathic manic devoid of all remorse, regret, or empathy, was so that he could smugly call Drake an "Idiot" and tell him that it was in fact Victor who arranged the accident, not him, and expose Patrick's stupidity and lies but boy howdy was that awesome.

 

I want those scenes repeated on a loop. I love how flippant Faison was over Patrick's accusations, it's exactly what that blockhead deserves, not to mention having the bottom drop out of his douchey world when the truth is finally slapping him down ass over face.

 

 

Did I basically hear Faison call Patrick a boring stupid idiot who was not worthy of Robin? Faison was dropping truth bombs every damn where.

 

I didn't think GH could have gotten more awesome then Michael Without Pity and Sonny going to prison, but Faison dropping the bottom out of Lord of the Douche Drake's smug little world was awfully damn close.  And of course, narcissistic asshole that he is, all Pattycakes can think about is that might lose access to Sam's pillows.  [Mr. Bill]Ooooooooooh nooooooooo...[/Mr. Bill]

 

I thought Sam was ridiculous. You are screaming at him that he is a monster yet you expect him to give a shit he killed your husband? And talking about codes and honor and crap like that.

 

I would have loved it if Sam had walked out the door of the holding cell and straight into some woman who's husband had been murdered by Jason, and got the exact same bullshit thrown back in her face.  With a good hard slap across it for good measure.*  Anders rocked it however with his open amusement at how the silly woman thought her hitman husband was worth a bucket of warm spit.

 

* - I normally like Sam, but this Jasus Was the Awesomest bullshit can DIAF.

 

Ron has put the final 8557743 nails in the Scrubs coffin. If anything, this is the perfect way for Robin to exit. Come back, realize Patty didn't give a flying fuck, and share custody of her daughter.

 

Emma is needed for the all-important kiddy quad*.  Therefore, there will be some contrived stupid reason cooked up why Patrick will get full custody of the daughter he affectionately* knows as "Um, what was her name again?"

 

* - I mean that as sarcastically as humanly possible.

 

You know I tend to defend Patrick with regards to his disregard for Robin's whereabouts but that doesn't mean I think the Scrubs pairing is viable. 

 

I don't think any pairing where Patrick is involved is viable.  He's just too narcissistic and selfish to realistically care about anybody besides himself.

 

That's what I'm thinking too, and as far as I'm concerned that's Christmas come early. Johnny always welcomed the opportunity to give Sonny shit. Killing the wrong guy to avenge Connie's death, and the guy was Michael's father. I hope Johnny gets serious licks in. 

 

After all, what can Sonny say? The people Johnny killed don't actually exist. 

 

Anytime Sonny is down, miserable, and kicked around is a good episode for me.  Keep it up, Ron, this is one part of GH I am absolutely loving!

 

When Faison tells Patty to not be an idiot and that Victor caused the crash, Patty goes, "Victor Cassadine?" and looks over to Sam with a confused look on his face.

I am laughing my ass off. What in the world!?

 

That is JT's patented "DUH..." face, which he pulls instead of actually trying to, you know, act.  He did the same thing when Robin walked in on his wedding to Sabrina.

 

ROBIN:  "Yes, Patrick, it is I... not dead, but alive!!!"

PATRICK:  "DUH...."

 

FAISON:  "It wasn't me, but Victor Cassadine who caused the crash.  You know, the LOGICAL SUSPECT..."

PATRICK: "DUH...."

 

And also, protip to Mr. Thompson, if you want the audience to believe your character is not a selfish prick who gives no fucks about the agonizing death of his helpless newborn child, you might want to try to deliver the lines about said death in a tone that isn't, "Oh, yeah.  That."

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I loved that Faison was sitting there gleefully smiling about the misery he had caused.

 

 

 

 

He earned the right to, especially considering who he took down so magnificently, Patrick the useless. Anders really did appear to be having a good time in his scenes to me, he was just so animated and up for anything.

 

Hell if this isn't proof that Faison never could have been notLuke for more than 20 minutes I don't know what else might. If he had been the imposter things would have actually been interesting and had a point.

 

 

Stefan wordlessly taking him on his lap and giving him a few gentle thwaps on his bum.

 

 

 

Could he start with Nik first and instead of gentle thwaps could he just toss him into one of the bottomless catacombs?

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The only misery Faison caused Patty is now Sam won't sleep with him until a month from now.

I can't believe how underwhelming Patrick's part was. Did JT kill a writer's cat? That Emmy reel is running on empty.

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@TeeVee329

That was me that posted about Kathleen and Constance playing that retconned history. I reall want some Hells/O fauxbacks. They dont even have to bother with age make-up; just slap a "1999" caption at the bottom of the screen and those two amazing ladies will sell it.

And I saw KG's tweet you re-posted in another thread. Hopefully they get to work together again soon!

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When Anna said she was going to let the town parade in front of Faison, I suggested Spencer and Lucy - the 2 most annoying characters.  If Yoga dud hadn't been killed, I'd have wished him on F as well.

 

 

I'm disappointed Helena didn't slit Dr. O's throat.

I'm bummed that Dr. O didn't push the crypt keeper into the water.  A frail old woman with no bodyguards but every time anyone has a chance to off her, they don't.

 

We finally found out why Britt the doctor can't afford a place to live... 'Bout time

Felt like a nod to the boards.  Though her loan payments shouldn't be that high.   Since her motti caused her to confess to Nic, Dr O should pay Britt's legal bills.

 

I have a question, did Jason and Helena arrange to meet at the docks? That doesn't seem like a chance meeting.

Jason was applying for a job.  Since he has no ID, the best he can get is off the books work, probably from a craigslist ad.

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She said Helena always did have an eye for attractive men.

 

I cannot stomach watching Dr. O whine on about Faison and Anna. STFU, Liesl. OMG.

 

I thought the Helena/O scenes were anticlimactic. Liesl sniveling about Faison? Blech.

 

LOL that Faison made Sam identify herself and her husband. He's killed so many people he can't keep them straight. Hee.

 

"You can't get people to do what you want by manipulating them." Like what Spencer is doing and has done. How about you aim a little anger at your demon child, Nik? Send the little shit to the strictest military school there is for the next twenty years.

 

Britt. Gurl. You didn't mean anything to Nik. No woman does. You're so much better off without him and his horror of a son.

 

Set this to music and sing it!  THIS post is etched in gold for me.  

 

I detest Dr. O, and not because she's so much fun to hate.  She's not - at least for me.  The psychic pain of sociopaths doesn't interest me.  Helena is bad enough.

 

Oh - and if that hole in the ground at Wyndemere is still available, can they throw Tracy in it until she SHUTS UP?  I hate what this character has become but I just can't with her anymore, I just can't.  STFU.

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