Episode Discussion: TFGH

[ulkis]

Okay, now I see what some of you mean about Kiki wearing a dress from the Madonna vintage collection.

 

Michael saying "I ain't" fits a character who was raised as Sonny's child, was in a coma for part of high school, and hasn't really gone to college. Yet it bugs me!!!

 

Shawn aiming the gun at NotTodd!Franco, then yapping at him instead of shooting made me tune out. Vaguely amused that RH is playing it like yeah, so much whatever. 

 

Pathetic that your son tells you to "man up." BC's delivery is great.  But that response is some of the strangest delivery I've ever seen from MB:

"OH. KAY. DAM. IT!!! I killed AJ Quartermaine!!!" *Rage face* (Now stop harassing me, son! So not fair! And look, I'm almost crying so you won't tell Michael.) 

I also like Morgan's snarl face when it's directed at Sonny. He really should have just knocked Sonny out for his dismissive attitude. Now I kind of want Morgan to look confused and ask, "Who's Connie?" 

 

That would be amazing, heh.

[CPP83]

I wouldn't say that. He is being loyal to the child she's carrying. And like Turtle said, he didn't have anything else to barter with to make sure Ava was safe.

 

 

 

 

Morgan's dumb so I don't expect him to really think things through but if he told the truth to Michael Sonny would still lose his leverage in killing Ava, at least everyone would be pretty sure he had a hand in it, not to mention Morgan really owes Michael far more then he owes Ava, because they're brothers.

 

Sonny isn't going to kill the kid at the very least, Morgan knows that, everyone including Ava knows that so her life isn't in danger just yet. But the idea that Morgan is willing to sacrifice his big brother for a woman who he still thinks would never just commit a cold blooded murder despite all proof and evidence to the contrary is nearly too asinine to be believed.

 

Hearing him shouting one second that he and Kikaka are keeping quiet to spare Michael and then the next threatening to blow Michael's life to pieces "if he must", the kid is beyond the pale. He isn't being noble, he isn't being selfless, he's being a Corinthos, acting as if he's being backed into corners and kept from telling the truth for the sake of so and so or such and such.

Edited October 30, 2014 by CPP83

[fishsanwitt]

My God, Morgan looked *gooooooooood* today, clean-shaven, great hair-cut and in a suit. And I thought he did a great job, screaming at Sonny. About time.

 

Lauren Katherine, wake up! 'Franco's' name is Robert Frank. How stupid are you? Wait... don't answer that. 

 

I did like LK's dress though. Ava looked very plain.

 

 

[Harmony233]

one of the reasons I enjoy Heather is nobody pats her on the head and excuses her behavior because she has a tumor or is bi polar.She will eventully get locked up anyways at least for months until wesee her again.

 

Scott calling spencer a runaway bandit was funny lol.

 

Morgan was good but I'm still afraid lol.

Edited October 30, 2014 by Harmony233

[Chairperson Meow]

If Morgan throws Sonny banging Olivia right after Connie died and then banging Ava on AJ's grave the day of his funeral in his face, I'll love him forever.

[CPP83]

Brad is a dumbass, and pathetic that he's excited to be Lucas' date to Carly and Franco's wedding. Poor Sam.

 

 

 

I think his excitement was from just being Lucas' date, I doubt he cared where they were going, plus he certainly had to know he'd be in for a show at the very least.

 

I want to see more of them together, it was cruel of them to hint during the phone call that Brad kept "distracting" Lucas from getting dressed, I can only imagine how...

[TeeVee329]

I am surprised, and very happily so, that Felix doesn't seem to be on the guest list.

Edited October 30, 2014 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Who?

[dubbel zout]

Lauren Katherine, wake up! 'Franco's' name is Robert Frank. How stupid are you? Wait... don't answer that.

 

Well, Carly was confused about what her married name would be, so.... I guess she'll be Carly Corinthos Jacks Frank? You know she'll cling to Corinthos Jacks forever.

[Tiger]

Did they change the opening credits' music?

Was anyone else yelling "shoot him, SHOOT HIM" when that dumbass Sean was holding a gun on Freakco?

Does anyone else think they should have brought DM on as an actual doctor?

On the whole, I actually enjoyed this episode, with the notable exception of those tedious Sean/Freakco scenes. I think BC and Mo were both excellent. In the past, I think Bryan slipped into some strange acting tics opposite Mo, but he didn't today. Also, non-screaming, non-repeating Nina was actually legitimately creepy in that last scene.

[Dandesun]

Seriously, what hitman explains the whole fucking plot to the victim? He's like the worst kind of comic-book third rater. "Excuse me, but I must monologue now for my boss... not for my own purposes. I'm just a henchman explaining the plan."

Edited October 30, 2014 by Dandesun

[TeeVee329]

The scene should have gone as follows:

 

Franco: Well, how are you going to get away with it?

 

Shawn: That's my problem.

 

(aims and fires at a lamp, the bullet kills Franco instantly)

Edited October 30, 2014 by TeeVee329

[ulkis]

Seriously, what hitman explains the whole fucking plot to the victim? He's like the worst kind of comic-book third rater. "Excuse me, but I most monologue now for my boss... not for my own purposes. I'm just a henchman explaining the plan."

 

 

I mean, bringing in Heather in and of itself is one of the stupidest things Ron has done already (I'd say top three), so I'm not surprised it got even dumber.

 

Did they change the opening credits' music?

Was anyone else yelling "shoot him, SHOOT HIM" when that dumbass Sean was holding a gun on Freakco?

Does anyone else think they should have brought DM on as an actual doctor?

On the whole, I actually enjoyed this episode, with the notable exception of those tedious Sean/Freakco scenes. I think BC and Mo were both excellent. In the past, I think Bryan slipped into some strange acting tics opposite Mo, but he didn't today. Also, non-screaming, non-repeating Nina was actually legitimately creepy in that last scene.

 

I mostly think Bryan is great, I just wish someone would tell him to calm the hand acting down a little. 

 

I seriously only understand maybe one word in every 4 that Spencer says.

Edited October 30, 2014 by ulkis

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Shawn doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.  Jordan is not much better. Hitman extraordinaire and fearless undercover  got bested by two psychos.

 

RC showed restraint today, Sam didn't see a shadow of Jake and she was in the hospital a whole episode. 

[TeeVee329]

Shawn doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.  Jordan is not much better. Hitman extraordinaire and fearless undercover  got bested by two psychos.

 

I'll give Jordan a pass.  She didn't know who Heather was, right?

[Lillybee]

HOw can Jordan kick Sonny's goon in the head but still be bested by a 60 year old woman?  Kiki is still lying to Michael about where Morgan is. I want Michael to dump her ass.

[KerleyQ]

*whenever another character mentions Sonny and his empire, I often wonder if it's a  Prof.Doofenshmirtz tri-state area kind of thing.

 

 

Now, now, let's not sully the good name of Doofenshmirtz.  Even at his doofiest, he's still a million times more competent than Sonny could ever be.   Although now that you bring it up, I'd love it if Franco kept putting a hat on and off in his hotel room, and it confused Shawn.  "Hey, you, guy in the hat, have you seen where Franco went? He was just here!"  

[ulkis]

Slow clap for the bolded my friend. I've been saying that for years. 

 

What is Sonny's deal? He's anti-drug ( despite the character's early years on the show), is he out of the strip club business? Is it guns? Prostitution? Designer knock-offs? Fake documents? Human trafficking? 

One coffee warehouse, a shitty restaurant( what happened to Michael working there?) and an island Casino, may be his fronts, but the most intimidating mobster in the area* has to be doing something shifty, and there are only so many shifty things to choose from. 

 

*whenever another character mentions Sonny and his empire, I often wonder if it's a  Prof.Doofenshmirtz tri-state area kind of thing. 

 

I think they implied gun trafficking a couple of times.

[Lillybee]

Sonny should learn how to hire competent goons. Shawn was really stupid for not shooting Franco when he just got into Franco's room.

Never hire morons.

[dubbel zout]

There goes Sonny's entire payroll.

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

Sonny is not competent so he doesn't have the capacity to hire competent workers. Jason was a lousy hitman, he wasn't sure he killed Lorenzo years after he supposed killed and dumped his body.

[Lillybee]

I think they implied gun trafficking a couple of times.

 

 

They did back in the day that RH was playing Todd. He mentioned that the gun he was waving in Sonny's face was one the Sonny smuggled into PC.

[SoapDoc]

 

I'll give Jordan a pass.  She didn't know who Heather was, right?

 I don't think she did. Besides, she has shown that she can handle herself when needed. Dealing with the crazy may make it difficult to get the jump on someone.

 

Morgan made me happy today. I can't get mad at him for bargaining with his dad about AJ's murder. It probably seems like the best option -- telling Michael will tear the family apart and Sonny will probably still kill Ava. besides he sadly learned to blackmail with the best of them!

 

i appreciated the crazy that was Franco continuing to get dressed as Shawn held a gun on him.

 

The preview gave me hope -- it looks like Julian is going to tell Anna that Sonny shot AJ.

[WendyCR72]

The preview gave me hope -- it looks like Julian is going to tell Anna that Sonny shot AJ.

 

Oh, SoapDoc, we both know it's a fake out! Be smaht! If it does happen, I expect the sky to rain blood. Perfect for All Hallow's Eve, yes?

[testardo]

   SCREAM ...Don't forget shake your hands.

 

 

;t

   SCREAM ...Don't forget shake your hands.

 

 

;t

[Evolution101]

Count me among those who found it hard to believe that Heather could take Jordan down so easily.

 

Shawn really is the most imcompetent hitman ever, is he?  All that yapping when he could've shot at Franco right then and there (whether or not he would actually hit Franco is another story).  Go back to making BLTs, at least you were good at that.

 

I wasn't impressed with Morgan and Sonny's shouting match.  It made me want to put a muzzle on both of them.  Or maybe I should use shock collars instead...

[movingtargetgal]

After the AJ reveal and with both Sonny and Carly arrested, Morgan's next move should be calling Jax.  Michael, Morgan and Joss will all need him.  It would be great to have a scene of Carly's boys express to Jax how much stability he brought to their childhood and how much they love and respect him.  Then Jax visits Carly and Sonny in jail and rips them both a new one.   He then tells Carly he has been granted full custody of Joss and he is taking her back to Australia.

Edited October 30, 2014 by movingtargetgal

[TeeVee329]

After the AJ reveal and with both Sonny and Carly arrested, Morgan's next move should be calling Jax.  Michael, Morgan and Joss will all need him.  It would be great to have a scene of Carly's boys express to Jax how much stability he brought to their childhood and how much they love and respect him.  Then Jax visits Carly and Sonny in jail and rips them both a new one.   He then tells Carly he has been granted full custody of Joss and he is taking her back to Australia.

 

All of this.  And just for me, can he bring Skye along so she can slap the taste out of Carly's mouth and then make out with Jax in front of her?

[Mrs OldManBalls]

Nice to see Brad and Lucas out on a date. Even if it is the Canco wedding, poor fellows.

 

 

I think his excitement was from just being Lucas' date, I doubt he cared where they were going, plus he certainly had to know he'd be in for a show at the very least.

 

I want to see more of them together, it was cruel of them to hint during the phone call that Brad kept "distracting" Lucas from getting dressed, I can only imagine how...

They are both handsome on their own, but suited up and on a date? Loving it! I want more of this couple. 

 

Madeline's eyebrows are distracting. They are....unkept looking compared to the rest of her. 

 

Should Nina really be near a baby? They are kinda demanding and stressful fresh out of the pkg like that, and Nina isn't exactly stable on a full nights sleep. 

Edited October 30, 2014 by Mrs OldManBalls

[Bishop]

Okay, first the bad:

 

NIna BORES me to tears.  I don't care about her baby needs, wants, or obsessions.  She slows down everything.  The only thing that makes her scenes even remotely watchable is Madeline's disgust with her daughter and Kiki.

 

Silas and Ava talking about Nina?  ALSO boring.  I.don't.care.

 

Shawn Butler (and Jordan) are the worst enforcer / cops EVER.  Jason Morgan would be rolling over in his grave (yeah, I still think the real Jason is dead or presumed dead) to see what the Corinthos organization has become.  Mock Stonecold all you want, but Jason would have plugged Franco within moments of seeing him.  Shawn is too stupid for words, and Jordan let the older, psychotic escaped patient get the drop on her and tie her up.  Yeah, I can see why they are attracted to each other.

 

Now the good:

 

The Sonny and Morgan scenes were good, although Morgan is always raving in scenes with Sonny.  I think MB and BC are similar in their acting styles in that they both get overly emotional in their angry scenes.  That's not a bad thing, but it's a lot of yelling.  I think they were both good.

 

I loved everything about what happened at the Haunted Star.  I loved Lucas/Brad.  I loved Michael mocking and lamenting being stuck representing his family at the "freak show of a wedding."  It's just heartbreaking that Michael is there to support his mother because he's been taught that supporting family is everything.  Meanwhile, every member of his family is betraying and lying to him.  He also looked very good in that suit.  Loved Lucas calling Franco a freak too.  lol, Jossyln/Spencer, and Scott/ Bobbie.  I also loved the twist that Carly got a heads-up to Franco plotting behind her back.  I wasn't expecting that.  

Edited October 30, 2014 by Bishop

[HeatLifer]

Shawn has got to be the worst hitman ever. Danny would do a better job with his soul-crushing eyes.

Never will I believe Jordan couldn't crush Heather.

I couldn't understand a word Spencer was saying. He's such a snitch, though.

Kiki is useless. She has negative chemistry with Mikey, although he has no chem with the opposite sex, so it can't be her fault entirely.

DM is doing a much better job as Magda.

I see Silas was all about his Samantha pain again. Although their hug was kinda sorta cute, dammit.

Morgan is always the highlight of this show, but I gotta say....I really want him away from Ava, Kiki, Sonny, etc. I will be THRILLED when he has a story outside of these characters. Also, I really hate how he puts Ava before Michael.

[ulkis]

Shawn has got to be the worst hitman ever. Danny would do a better job with his soul-crushing eyes.

Never will I believe Jordan couldn't crush Heather.

I couldn't understand a word Spencer was saying. He's such a snitch, though.

Kiki is useless. She has negative chemistry with Mikey, although he has no chem with the opposite sex, so it can't be her fault entirely.

DM is doing a much better job as Magda.

I see Silas was all about his Samantha pain again. Although their hug was kinda sorta cute, dammit.

Morgan is always the highlight of this show, but I gotta say....I really want him away from Ava, Kiki, Sonny, etc. I will be THRILLED when he has a story outside of these characters. Also, I really hate how he puts Ava before Michael.

 

I think if it were just Ava it might be a different story - but he's thinking about the baby too.

[ouinason]

I have little gripe with Morgan putting the welfare of his little sibling/child above Michael's right at this moment. Right now, that kid is definitely a Corinthos, and it's well being is tied to Ava's, so that is the priority. And Michael should understand that too. It's not even about Ava as much as the baby, so I think big brother/uncle Michael will have to see reason.

[Bishop]

Kiki is useless. She has negative chemistry with Mikey, although he has no chem with the opposite sex, so it can't be her fault entirely.

Nah, Michael had great chemistry with a number of women on GH, including Abby, Brenda, and Maxie.  It's KA that he has no chemistry with, and considering that CD has been stuck with her for more than two years (once as Starr and now as Kiki), it just amplifies that their pairing doesn't work.  I can't wait for them to break up, and I would love for Vanessa to return so that Michael and Brenda can sleep together so that Carly and Sonny's heads explode.

 

Morgan is always the highlight of this show, but I gotta say....I really want him away from Ava, Kiki, Sonny, etc. I will be THRILLED when he has a story outside of these characters. Also, I really hate how he puts Ava before Michael.

 

 

Yeah, that bothered me too.  I like Morgan, but his constant raging at Sonny, especially when Morgan is actually quite similar to Sonny, can become annoying.  Also, he's lecturing his father when he's lying to his brother for HIS own reasons.  I did hate that Morgan was willing to hurt Michael if it meant helping Ava.  He has no idea how Ava has used and manipulated him over the past year.  Let's see if he actually cares.  He better be pissed at her because if he doesn't care about Ava killing Connie, then he's basically just like Sonny in terms of "Some people can die and I don't care as long as the person I love and care about is safe."

[BestestAuntEver]

Glad to see Brad allowed to interact with more people. For a while it was always Princess Sabrina or Felix. Has he ever had a scene with Sam before this? Why don't we  ever get to see the sibs hanging out..

 

I want to see more of them (CoJones) together, it was cruel of them to hint during the phone call that Brad kept "distracting" Lucas from getting dressed, I can only imagine how...

 

 

THIS. All I could think was damn we never get to see the good stuff. I enjoyed Brad's excitement of meeting Lucas at the Freak Show Wedding.

 

BC/Morgan looked yummy again today. Plus he was yelling at Sonny. WinWin. Please don't give in tomorrow Morgan. Just say, "who gives a fuck about, Connie? You don't."

 

To me, the way Sonny screams at & treat Morgan is the real Sonny not the "Imma good dad I am" one he tries to portray.

 

Morgan is always the highlight of this show, but I gotta say....I really want him away from Ava, Kiki, Sonny, etc. I will be THRILLED when he has a story outside of these characters. Also, I really hate how he puts Ava before Michael.

 

 

Eh... everyone puts Micheal before him, why not put his interests before Micheal.

 

Shallow alert:

I've been a RoHo fan since I was a teen & I love the way that man looks in a suit. Seeing him get dressed today was so HOT to me. Hahaha, If that had been me alone with him, we never would have left the hotel.

[HeatLifer]

I know that Morgan obviously cares about what could possibly be his child (PLEASE MAKE IT SONNY'S), but like Bishop said, it bothered me that he was essentially using Michael as collateral. I know Sonny has a knack for shooting his blood in the chest, but Morgan should be able to talk to his own father without having to negotiate. Gosh, Sonny is just a shit stain.

Re: Mikey's chem with women...I've never seen it in a romantic/sexual sense. Just MO.

Edited October 30, 2014 by HeatLifer

[dubbel zout]

Michael had great chemistry with a number of women on GH, including Abby

 

Abby was Klonopin made flesh, IMO.

 

I think if it were just Ava it might be a different story - but he's thinking about the baby too.

 

Yeah, I don't think putting a baby that might be his before his brother is so bad.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

Y'all know I love me some Morgan but he is kinda willing to screw Michael over to protect Ava, so. He's not entirely virtuous here.

 

If Morgan screws over Michael, I will throw the little werewolf a parade. I live for the thought of Sad Panda's tears, if only because if he has no inkling that the stutterbarking greaseball is the one who murdered his actual father, then he's almost too damn dumb to live.

[SoapDoc]

 

Oh, SoapDoc, we both know it's a fake out! Be smaht! If it does happen, I expect the sky to rain blood. Perfect for All Hallow's Eve, yes?

 Yes, a blood rain would be ideal for the hellish storytelling we get regularly on GH. ;-)

 

But why are you crushing my dreams and my soul like Nu-Danny? I need Julian to get this right! Tell it Julian, tell it!

 

I must admit that I am looking forward to the mayhem -- if only the follow through would be as fun!

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

If Morgan screws over Michael, I will throw the little werewolf a parade. I live for the thought of Sad Panda's tears, if only because if he has no inkling that the stutterbarking greaseball is the one who murdered his actual father, then he's almost too damn dumb to live.

 

Sing it!

 

Michael did him a favor by screwing Kiki away from him, but it was the ultimate sibling betrayal. Morgan got a few digs in and forgave Michael.

 

Michael was really annoying me with his rant that he is there for their mother so Morgan should be too. No Michael, your goody two shoes persona is too good to take a stance you believe and stick to it. Morgan doesn't have to be there just because you. Joyclyn wouldn't be there if she was forced by Carly.

 

He is too stupid to rationalize that his presence at the wedding gives Carly a measure of peace to marry Franco. Carly will marry the SERIAL KILLER without him but she'd do with less enthusiasm. If he stuck to his guns and have noting to do with this unholy union, MAYBE his mother wouldn't be so quick to marry the SERIAL KILLER.

[dubbel zout]

If he stuck to his guns and have noting to do with this unholy union, MAYBE his mother wouldn't be so quick to marry the SERIAL KILLER.

 

It's not Michael's responsibility to stop Carly from marrying Franco.

[Cobalt Stargazer]

It's not Michael's responsibility to stop Carly from marrying Franco.

 

No, it isn't, but it isn't his duty to enable the insanity by being the SERIAL KILLER'S best man either.

[SlovakPrincess]

Count me among those who found it hard to believe that Heather could take Jordan down so easily.

 

 

For the stories to work on current GH, the pscyhos on this show (no matter how old) have to have super-human strength and always live / escape incarceration so that they can cause trouble another day.  Because it's "FUN!"      (See also: Helena, Jerry, Faison, Dr. O., Stavros, etc., etc. ...)

[ulkis]

I am kinda sad that there probably won't be any moment of Morgan, Michael, and Josslyn sitting in the front row making pained faces at each other. And as much as I hate when they show texts on-screen I'd be willing to make an exception if they showed their snarky texts about the wedding on-screen (Lucas can join in too).

[sacrebleu]

How many times does Shawn have to screw up before Sonny finds a competent hit man to take him out? I think its hysterical that he has yet to complete an assignment.

He didn't carry out the hit that killed Franco (the one where Olivia got shot)

He couldnt successfully kidnap Carrrrlos (Morgan busted them and Max ended up shot)

He couldn't keep Ava in Sonny's custody

He couldn't re-kidnap Ava and couldn't get Ava's location out of Jordan.

 

Seriously, he should just stick to diner-ing. 

[dubbel zout]

LOL at Shawn holding a gun on Franco. Don't accidentally take out the ceiling light, Shawn.

 

Morgan and Sonny were very shouty, but I liked their confrontation.

 

Figures that for Sonny, breaking his promise to Michael is worse than killing AJ. Ugh, he's such a piece of shit. 

 

It's not Michael's responsibility to stop Carly from marrying Franco.

No, it isn't, but it isn't his duty to enable the insanity by being the SERIAL KILLER'S best man either.

 

Which goes back to an earlier opinion of mine that Michael was an idiot to agree to it. Carly didn't ask him to do it. If Michael is stupid enough to be manippleated by Franco, that's his problem. 

[Deputy Deputy CoS]

It's not Michael's responsibility to stop Carly from marrying Franco.

 

I don't think he should either, but his presence at the wedding is endorsing the marriage. He can grumble all he wants but at the end of the day "he is there to support his mother"

 

Wuss.

[CPP83]

I wasn't impressed with Morgan and Sonny's shouting match.  It made me want to put a muzzle on both of them.  Or maybe I should use shock collars instead...

 

 

 

Let me pull up a chair here with you, what're you drinking?

 

I just can't abide by their scenes together, I had enough of their screaming/yelling duels way back when Morgan first came to town and kept getting screwed over by daddy dearest and yet could never learn his damn lesson each and every time. 

 

Bryan really does seem to be trying to mimic or imitate Maurice and it's getting worse every scene they have together, imo, it's as if no one has told/warned him that Maurice really isn't the sort of actor to emulate, ever, about anything. He even seems to be stumbling over his own words in the same way now because he gets so worked up and animated and, it's...no, no no no, it's just not good.

 

And maybe if I thought any of this mattered I might not mind as much but it won't. It's more everyone screams and rails at Sonny and Sonny plays the victim/goes off his pills and eventually everything returns to normal, or close enough, and he'll escape any real consequences and find a vagina to fall into for comfort.

[ulkis]

New dialogue writer today. I wonder if they have any previous experience because this line?

 

Franco: as wedding gifts go, we'd prefer a toaster

Shawn: the only thing you're gonna be soon is toast

 

was a special kind of horrible

[Chairperson Meow]

For me it was facial expressions. Bryan Craig had the perfect anti hero, screw you face. He's a better Micheal than Micheal because I know he could rightfully tear Sonny apart. He won't go Sad Panda into the night. I have hope for Chad based on his scene where AJ had a nightmare that Micheal hated him. But was that the magic of SK rubbing off or can Chad do the emotions? MB just sneered through his scenes today. Dude. Your son just confronted you with the fact that he will tear your world apart, can you do more than stutter and sneer? It was like he thought oh yeah I better show a sad. No. Asshole. I've seen this type of shit played before. My God. I've seen John Black give better sad faces on Days. So shut up, Mo.

It also does not hurt that Bryan Craig is goregous as hell.