Episode Discussion: TFGH

[Grumpymonkey]

23 hours ago, katie9918 said:

Has Burton brought anything back to this show, other than kissing his character’s ass, even bringing Robin in from the opposite coast for the sole purpose of kissing the Borg’s ass?

 

His return is a complete bust, so much so it hasn’t even reignited the infamous shipper wars with the Spam and Lizzard fans.

It was nice having him gone. 

Everyone moved on and  there is no reason for Sam and Liz fans to want to fight over him.

Going back to general hitman with a hard of gold that everyone loves will be so disappointing.

[Asp Burger]

45 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Is there a specific moment you have in mind? Just curious, because I think she's fine and don't see any particular vulnerability.

I can't cite a specific moment she's gotten "wrong." I just think she's fundamentally weird casting for this -- her physicality, her sound, what she projects-- and would have been better used as a different kind of character.  I see the work going into the performance. It's somewhat similar to Chloe Lanier as scheming bad girl.

To give a counter-example, we can pick the hell out of the all-over-the-place writing for Haychel Barlines, but Rebecca Budig was very well cast for that. Both the "exterior" and "interior" versions were right in the actress's wheelhouse. Someone thought up something she'd be good at. A lot of the development was a hash, but the casting was on the money. Jessica Tuck looks and sounds like she should be worrying over her adult child, coming to grips with the knowledge that her dead rich husband had another family, trying to figure out why the perfectly healthy-looking person on her morgue's table suddenly dropped dead...when I think of all the stories in which I personally would put her, "drug queenpin with hired thugs" is not even on the radar. But, as ever, maybe it's just me.  

Edited December 31, 2017 by Asp Burger

[Oracle42]

Are we seriously supposed to give an actual fuck about Val's safety and his and Nina's pointless nothing of a relationship? NEVERCARED, still don't 

 

That being said, I find Anna/Finn delightful

Edited December 31, 2017 by Oracle42

[Oracle42]

13 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

And she had absolutely no issues with how "Jason" "mistreated her" (that's hilariously debatable) while there are calls for Sam to call out Jason now? I don't get it. Sam was no victim. If she made stupid choices, those are her own. I see no situation where she has any legs to stand on asking why Jason did this or that to her. She knew the deal. She accepted it.

 

It's not about being a victim, it's being a partner and a family. He'd won his wife back less than 12 hours ago, and it was Danny's first night in a new place after being kidnapped (for the 2nd time) and dangled off of a building. I'm not saying Jason's wasn't going to pick mob business 9 times out of 10, but that night should have been the exception. He owed that to himself, his wife and his son - prioritize, dammit! And find capable minions so you can fuckin delegate.

And I know that all of that was because SBu was leaving but it was also the first thing he'd done in awhile that wasn't out of character.

 

14 hours ago, ulkis said:

The show (shocking, I know) made it clear that Faison was targeting Jason, that he wasn't shot just because he got in Faison's way on the docks. I mean, I guess that doesn't negate Jason going to the docks in the first place but the show made it clear it wasn't mob stuff that got Jason shot.

Didn't Faison say that they wanted Jason out of the way because it would weaken Sonny so that Fluke could take over the incredibly important upstate NY crime territory?

Edited December 31, 2017 by Oracle42

[jsbt]

8 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If he wants Jason to be the tough guy and single and not have to do love scenes, Sam will stay with Drew.

He doesn't have nearly as strong a fanbase (though it's still quite large) without a love interest. Steve is a businessman, he will see to it Jason is paired up and likely with Sam, which is safe and easy for him.

[dubbel zout]

9 hours ago, jsbt said:

I feel like they just cast Jessica Tuck because she's a great actress and they could get her, not because her role or this story make any sense. It's beneath her.

I feel like that for most of the name actors they bring on.

It's so stupid they're having Cassandra go up against Sonny even in the roundabout way she's doing it. Sonny never loses. We all know that. Instead, why not have her go up against the Q pharma business? She can be PC's own Martin Shkreli.

4 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

the incredibly important upstate NY crime territory

Those maple-syrup cartels aren't going to run themselves.

4 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

And find capable minions so you can fuckin delegate.

Johnny's guys are available still!

[Perkie]

4 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

And find capable minions so you can fuckin delegate.

This.  What is the point of Max and Milo other than to sit at the gate and wave people into the compound?  

 

8 hours ago, jsbt said:

. I mean, I guess that doesn't negate Jason going to the docks in the first place but the show made it clear it wasn't mob stuff that got Jason shot.

Actually I disagree.  Mob stuff is what got Jason shot.  Faison wanted Sonny's teritory.  He managed to blackmail Bernie to get Sonny's financial information.  Bernie called Jason to go down to the pier that night to help him.  That's why Jason was on the pier......mob stuff.  

[HeatLifer]

8 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

It's not about being a victim, it's being a partner and a family. He'd won his wife back less than 12 hours ago, and it was Danny's first night in a new place after being kidnapped (for the 2nd time) and dangled off of a building. I'm not saying Jason's wasn't going to pick mob business 9 times out of 10, but that night should have been the exception. He owed that to himself, his wife and his son - prioritize, dammit! And find capable minions so you can fuckin delegate.

And I know that all of that was because SBu was leaving but it was also the first thing he'd done in awhile that wasn't out of character.

I totally understand that's how some interpreted that scene and they want Sam to be mad about it and Jason to see that he was wrong. But....Sam was never mad about it. She wasn't pissed that night, she wasn't pissed later. She told Jake Doe/"Jason" that saving Bernie was basically a good thing and showed that he cared about his friends and family, lol. Saying something different now to Jason would, once again, prove Sam's inconsistencies as a character. 

On a larger note, the idea that Jason has to see the error of his ways, has to change into a safe, non-mobster *now*...for....Sam...is a funny one for a variety of reasons.

[ulkis]

4 hours ago, jsbt said:

He doesn't have nearly as strong a fanbase (though it's still quite large) without a love interest. Steve is a businessman, he will see to it Jason is paired up and likely with Sam, which is safe and easy for him.

Maybe. I think it will go back and forth quite a bit.

[ulkis]

It's crazy that MB tops this list:

1978-2017 Episode Counts Top 20
1. Maurice Benard (Sonny Corinthos-4336/Marco-1) – 4336
2. Jacklyn Zeman (Bobbie Spencer) – 3449
3. Anthony Geary (Luke Spencer-3003/Bill Eckert-377/Tim Spencer-2) – 3378
4. Steve Burton (Jason Morgan-3381/Joe-1) – 3381
5. Leslie Charleson (Dr. Monica Quartermaine) – 3310
6. Stuart Damon (Dr. Alan Quartermaine) – 2905
7. Rebecca Herbst (Elizabeth Webber-2827/Jessie Brewer-1) – 2828
8. Nancy Lee Grahn (Alexis Davis-2665/Chastity-1) – 2666
9. Kristina Wagner (Felicia Jones Scorpio) – 2528
10. Kelly Monaco (Sam McCall Morgan) – 2351
11. Kimberly McCullough (Dr. Robin Scorpio Drake) – 2346
12. Ingo Rademacher (Jasper "Jax" Jacks) – 2290
13. John J. York (Mac Scorpio) – 2247
14. Tyler Christopher (Nikolas Cassadine) – 2076
15. Laura Wright (Carly Corinthos Jacks-2068/Lena Spencer-2) – 2070
16. Brad Maule (Dr. Tony Jones) – 1887
17. Finola Hughes (Anna Devane-1864/Dr. Liesl Obrecht-5/Dr. Alex Marick-18) – 1876
18. Tristan Rogers (Robert Scorpio) – 1809
19. Wallace Kurth (Ned Ashton-1801/Lenny-1) – 1802
20. Kin Shriner (Scott Baldwin-1801/Mayor Tom-1) – 1802

Although it is pretty crazy as well that Geary is so high given he was gone for a couple of years and was gone every couple of months.

[nilyank]

The only reason Steve Burton doesn’t top the list is because he left the show twice for multiple years.

[dubbel zout]

59 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

On a larger note, the idea that Jason has to see the error of his ways, has to change into a safe, non-mobster *now*...for....Sam...is a funny one for a variety of reasons.

Jason won't change for anyone. 

38 minutes ago, ulkis said:

5 hours ago, jsbt said:

He doesn't have nearly as strong a fanbase (though it's still quite large) without a love interest. Steve is a businessman, he will see to it Jason is paired up and likely with Sam, which is safe and easy for him.

Maybe. I think it will go back and forth quite a bit.

Same here. If they do decide to stick with Sam and Drew, Jason can play the martyr longer and be oh-so-noble. The Box o' Pain can get a new workout. I also wouldn't be surprised if they brought in someone new as a Jason love interest. (Not TB/Kim.) 

27 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Although it is pretty crazy as well that Geary is so high given he was gone for a couple of years and was gone every couple of months.

AG did some pre-taping some years, I believe. He was also pretty heavily featured when he was around, save for the final years when he had those medical issues.

The really crazy thing is JZ being number 2!!!!!

[ulkis]

16 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

 

Sam needs to confront Jason about all of these issues.  Drew would never treat Sam the way Jason has treated her.  He will always put her and their children first.  The fact is Jason is a brain damaged hitman and is not able to be a decent husband and father.  His loyalty to Sonny and the mob will always come first.  Sonny took a confused young man with a severe brain injury and memory loss and manipulated him into becoming his perfect mob soldier.  Sam will alway love Jason. however, she is in love with Drew.  Drew offers her so much more than Jason is capable giving her.  I am looking forward to Sam asking Jason "How could you have left Danny and me on his very first night home!!! All because of Sonny's business.  I never got to just sit back and enjoy being a new mom, I was out searching for your body and then mourning you!!! For what ... Sonny's business!!!  I am in love with Drew because he has his priorities straight and would NEVER pull that Sonny comes first before my wife and kids bullshit!!!!!  That is why I am in love with Drew and I can never be with you!

After that, can she go apologize to Liz for telling her she wasn't strong enough to handle Jason's business?

[HeatLifer]

1 hour ago, nilyank said:

The only reason Steve Burton doesn’t top the list is because he left the show twice for multiple years.

At least we got a break from him. Can't say the same for Becky or KeMo, who are both in need of a similar 5-year vacation.

39 minutes ago, ulkis said:

After that, can she go apologize to Liz for telling her she wasn't strong enough to handle Jason's business?

And Alexis, pls.

[mybabyaidan]

What a thankless job for the person that had to put together that list.  LOL

 

 

As an OG JaSam fan, I am still stunned at how little I feel for any of their scenes now.  It's crazy.  I definitely stanned for them for years.  Now I just want them away from each other

Edited December 31, 2017 by mybabyaidan

[ulkis]

37 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

And Alexis, pls.

To be fair, I do think she apologized to Alexis at one point for that.

[Oracle42]

On 12/31/2017 at 0:28 PM, HeatLifer said:

the idea that Jason has to see the error of his ways, has to change into a safe, non-mobster *now*...for....Sam...is a funny one for a variety of reasons.

Jason does need to change, but not for Sam or anyone else except Jason - and also for the long-term viability of the show, because mobsters are way past over. I mean, literally the only mobster stories in the news in the past few years have been about the Housewives of New Jersey. The Sopranos has been done for almost a decade, this show needs to move on from mobsters=heroes. 

On 12/31/2017 at 0:28 PM, HeatLifer said:

I totally understand that's how some interpreted that scene and they want Sam to be mad about it and Jason to see that he was wrong. But....Sam was never mad about it. She wasn't pissed that night, she wasn't pissed later. She told Jake Doe/"Jason" that saving Bernie was basically a good thing and showed that he cared about his friends and family, lol. Saying something different now to Jason would, once again, prove Sam's inconsistencies as a character. 

I I don't think they'll let her, but I really think they should because that's a normal human inconsistency. It makes sense to grieve instead of being angry if you can only handle one of those emotions, but seeing him standing there and knowing he could have been with her this whole time, that he could have been Scout's father, that he could have been there for Danny's cancer scare and for all of the firsts that he missed with his son - I think it would be normal to grieve those missed opportunities and to be angry about them. 

And I think that's true even though it's not necessarily rational, since if he hadn't died that night he probably would have died at some point since RC's league of villains were all conspiring together to get rid of him. 

But, Sam isn't allowed to ever get angry anymore and I'm not sure why (she's good at it, especially when she's drunk) - being angry that she lost him is just a indication that she wanted that life with him and that she regrets the loss of it, and it doesn't detract from the fact that she loves Drew and the life that she has. Those are two realities that can exist simultaneously.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Oracle42

[movingtargetgal]

7 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

11 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

the incredibly important upstate NY crime territory

Those maple-syrup cartels aren't going to run themselves.

As a person of Franco-American descent I can attest to the fact that the maple syrup cartel is a terrifying entity, aye.  I heard horror stories from my grandparents abboot fleeing to America to escape the sticky torture of being dipped in a barrel of maple syrup and forced to play endless hours of ice hockey . Thank god we have Sonny Corinthos to keep them under control. :)

This is my final snark of 2017.  I leave with this question for my fellow snarkers.  Don Mclean sang in American Pie "Can music save your mortal soul?",  I want to ask all of you if you think snarking can save our mortal souls as well?  Finding the humor in life keeps us going throughout the worst of times. :)  Thank You for all the laughter.  Happy New Year Everybody!!!!!!!!!

[BubblingKettle]

Maura West needs to ditch that hair color. It is so incredibly unflattering on her. It makes her skin take on a more orange tone and it downplays her eyes. Blonde really suited her, and this brassy/rusty mistake just confirms it even more. 

If they don't lower the volume on the music in Kelly's, the MetroCourt, and the bars...grrrrrr! I don't know which is worse, the hipsterish crap in Kelly's and the bars or the nasally/synthesizer hell in the MetroCourt. And the music isn't even used as ambience. It's completely laid over the dialogue. 

LW's boyfriend/COO Peter is a very shitty actor. The GH stylists obviously dislike him, too -- they're obviously having a good giggle at the swoopy bangs and mandarin-collared shirt they gave him. They should have used the guy who plays Eric, Cassandra's bodyguard. He has a more stately appearance, at least. 

Thank you, Maxie, for taking that security blanket away from Sam. 

While trying to prove a point about their oh-so-close bond (barf), Jason rhetorically asked Carly, "Who picks my ties?" Jason, when the hell have you ever worn a tie? Carly responded by saying something about the color of his ties. Uh, 'scuse me? Color?

[jsbt]

9 hours ago, Perkie said:

Actually I disagree.  Mob stuff is what got Jason shot.  Faison wanted Sonny's teritory.  He managed to blackmail Bernie to get Sonny's financial information.  Bernie called Jason to go down to the pier that night to help him.  That's why Jason was on the pier......mob stuff.  

I didn't write that quote.

5 hours ago, ulkis said:

Maybe. I think it will go back and forth quite a bit.

I do too. But in the end there is no way Jason or Steve will be allowed to lose.

[Perkie]

1 hour ago, CoolWhipLite said:

Carly responded by saying something about the color of his ties.

Not sure if this was a typo, but she said colour of his eyes.  As in she's matching his ties to the colour of his eyes.  You know, all those times that he's worn blue ties with his fancy suits.  

[BubblingKettle]

1 minute ago, Perkie said:

Not sure if this was a typo, but she said colour of his eyes.  As in she's matching his ties to the colour of his eyes.  You know, all those times that he's worn blue ties with his fancy suits.  

Sorry, I guess I misheard "ties" for "eyes"! But it's funny because the point remains --- I don't think we've ever seen Jason wear ties of any sort! I vaguely remember him wearing a dress shirt once, but I think that's as far as he went in that direction.

[ulkis]

double post.

Edited January 5, 2018 by ulkis

[jsbt]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

Is it losing if Jason is the one to tell Sam that he's letting her go because blah blah blah? Because I think that's a possibility.

I can't see it happening unless another marquee female star comes to the show which Steve clears with his lordly seal of approval first. And he hasn't been cool with anyone new since Kelly Monaco, and that was almost 14 years ago.

Edited January 1, 2018 by jsbt

[Darklazr]

On 12/30/2017 at 4:51 PM, ulkis said:

She wouldn't need to.

YMMV.  KeMo would be back on the JaSam/SBu gravy boat, ASAP!

[yowsah1]

Just popping in to wish everyone here a Happy New Year!  Here's hoping that GH gets better in 2018!  :)

[ulkis]

On 12/31/2017 at 11:14 PM, Darklazr said:

YMMV.  KeMo would be back on the JaSam/SBu gravy boat, ASAP!

I'm not saying she wouldn't jump back on it. I'm saying she wouldn't need to.

Edited January 5, 2018 by ulkis

[stlbf]

No woman on TFGH is allowed to angry at any man. Valentin has the Falconeri-Collins female hate. Franco maaaaybe the lone man all women are allowed to be mad at. Liz is rarely ever really upset with any man for long. She has mostly dismissed Franco's part in the Jason/Drew identity crisis. Sam still mostly treats him like the crap he is, which is shocking to me. Monica actually told Sonny off. And then with her next breath pretty much took it all back, earlier last year. Leaving her in a pissing match with freaking Olivia. OVER MONICA'S HOUSE AND STAFF! Nina is upset with Nelle and anyone against Valentin. Except Nathan, her brother 

Carly is of course, braveandstrongandloveswithherwholeheart! She is generally only upset with her enemies. So par for the course. 

Nell hates Carly and Nina. Maxie might be on her hate list now too. 

[MissL]

12 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

At least we got a break from him. Can't say the same for Becky or KeMo, who are both in need of a similar 5-year vacation.

And Alexis, pls.

Disagree. Becky has been on but with shit to play. Same for Alexis. I think both actresses are miles above KeMo. I could definitely do with a Kelly break. She's is always center stage (although he POV is generally sidelined for whatever guy she is With).  Personally think NLG and Becky give 110% to whatever crap they are handed. Same cannot be said for KeMo.  MHO of course.  

[jsbt]

17 hours ago, ulkis said:

After that, can she go apologize to Liz for telling her she wasn't strong enough to handle Jason's business?

That was very obnoxious but I think after the whole 'Liz molesting the amnesiac man and somehow keeping her job' thing those two lucky ladies can call it even

16 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Jason does need to change, but not for Sam or anyone else except Jason - and also for the long-term viability of the show, because mobsters are way past over. I mean, literally the only mobster stories in the news in the past few years have been about the Housewives of New Jersey. The Sopranos has been done for almost a decade, this show needs to move on from mobsters=heroes. 

Exactly. It's not presumptuous for literally any woman Jason is involved with or has had children to expect him to exercise the common decency to stop being a brainless serial killer for hire somewhere before age 55. Yes that includes Robin, whose blanket show-sanctioning excusing of his behavior has rang highly false for me since at least 2005 when she returned to the showwwwww~

happy new year btw i'm tired 

[HeatLifer]

Robin did her part when she came back in 2005. Jason knew how she felt about his business. She was the one who always thought he had the potential to do more. Jason wasn't changing. They both solely appreciated the bond they had/have while staying away from each other. There's a reason Patrick at one time was like, "You barely even see the guy! Why do you care about him!?" And that answer is a larger one that I wouldn't call "excusing his behavior." Because part of their bond had to do with the fact that she literally believed he saved her life.

Also, it's funny, though, when Robin was dating him and had her opinions of his so-called "job", she was accused of being his mother and "telling him what to do." It's nice Sam is able to become exactly like every woman before her but now it's all good because she apparently deserves something Robin, Courtney, and Liz, never did. She's so ~special~

[ulkis]

6 hours ago, jsbt said:

That was very obnoxious but I think after the whole 'Liz molesting the amnesiac man and somehow keeping her job' thing those two lucky ladies can call it even

I know, I know, but I just don't think Sam really has room to speak any indignant speeches to Jason, at least not until she has a scene where she tells Molly or whoever she was an idiot for putting up with Jason.

[dubbel zout]

6 hours ago, jsbt said:

It's not presumptuous for literally any woman Jason is involved with or has had children to expect him to exercise the common decency to stop being a brainless serial killer for hire somewhere before age 55.

It cracks me up the show expects viewers to have no problems with an aging mob boss and his hit man continuing their lame and rather pathetic lifestyles.

[Winston Wolfe]

On 12/31/2017 at 1:33 PM, dubbel zout said:

The really crazy thing is JZ being number 2!!!!!

Wanna hear something even crazier?  JZ has been in the business so long she dated, and actually married, Murray the K (the so-called "Fifth Beatle") in her younger days.

Edited January 1, 2018 by Winston Wolfe
Factual update

[statsgirl]

23 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Jason does need to change, but not for Sam or anyone else except Jason - and also for the long-term viability of the show, because mobsters are way past over. I mean, literally the only mobster stories in the news in the past few years have been about the Housewives of New Jersey. The Sopranos has been done for almost a decade, this show needs to move on from mobsters = heroes.

Little says it better how stuck in the tar sands of the past this show is than that.

If they stopped making the aging mobster the moral hero of the show and spread out the stories to guy who are actually sexy, and maybe do a bit more of that hospital stuff, the show would be 1000 x better.

[Hater]

17 hours ago, jsbt said:

I can't see it happening unless another marquee female star comes to the show which Steve clears with his lordly seal of approval first. And he hasn't been cool with anyone new since Kelly Monaco, and that was almost 14 years ago.

Cool in what way? 

[jsbt]

51 minutes ago, Hater said:

Cool in what way? 

In the way in which he has allowed himself to be paired with anyone new.

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

It's nice Sam is able to become exactly like every woman before her but now it's all good because she apparently deserves something Robin, Courtney, and Liz, never did. She's so ~special~

I think they all deserved the same things from Jason, especially Robin and Liz. Sam just happens to be the one who is married to him and has his child and is now faced with having to choose between him and his unknown brother. If Jason wants her back but doesn't want to change a single aspect of himself for his widow or his now quite mobile child - one he cannot disown or pretend is someone else's so he can continue to hold down a life of crime - why doesn't she deserve better just as Robin or Liz or even, God help us all, Courtney did?

[WendyCR72]

Realistically, though, do you see this show ever going back to hospital stories? (On a show called General Hospital, no less?!) The so-called moral compass has been turned upside down and inside out almost since Sonny popped up, and that was the early 1990s!

If there were decent to great soap writers out there, maybe this could be reversed.

As it is, however? I think the greats are gone and returning to white-hat good guys is a pipe dream. This show can't and just won't turn back.

[jsbt]

It would take something as major as a shift to a streaming platform, and I don't think that's going to happen any time soon. That shift in creative personnel, management and audience outreach is what shifted (in somewhat more subtle ways) the tone and atmosphere, and character makeup, of AMC and OLTL. Partly because their creative staffs were largely all-new and partly because many actors had opted out.

Edited January 1, 2018 by jsbt

[WendyCR72]

2 minutes ago, jsbt said:

It would take something as major as a shift to a streaming platform, and I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

Had the online versions of AMC and OLTL worked, maybe. But, as you say, @jsbt, I don't see streaming happening for GH pretty much ever. I think once these four holdouts die, it'll be the end of the five days a week soap format.

[nilyank]

3 hours ago, statsgirl said:

If they stopped making the aging mobster the moral hero of the show and spread out the stories to guy who are actually sexy, and maybe do a bit more of that hospital stuff, the show would be 1000 x better.

Sure but who is the guy on this show that is actually sexy? Because I don't see any. Attractive? Sure. Can act? Maybe. Sexy? Nope.

That goes for the females as well.

Edited January 1, 2018 by nilyank

[peachmangosteen]

I think Curtis could be sexy. And ... uh ... yea that's all I got.

[dubbel zout]

I think OLTL and AMC were a bit ahead of their time as far as streaming soaps go, and their cancellations were mainly due to PP's problems, not the soaps themselves. CBS has its own streaming service, and Disney's entertainment stream starts in 2019. Depending on what Disney wants to do, it could switch some ABC shows to that service.

[statsgirl]

Curtis could be leading man material as long as they drop the snoozefest with Jordan and auntie. Maybe Griffin with a story line that lets him be dramatic. Dominic Z. is capable of much more than they give him. And they could hire someone who is leading man material but they're so determined not to upstage MB or SBu.

They just need to decide to move the mob and their molls from eating the show.

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, jsbt said:

In the way in which he has allowed himself to be paired with anyone new.

I think they all deserved the same things from Jason, especially Robin and Liz. Sam just happens to be the one who is married to him and has his child and is now faced with having to choose between him and his unknown brother. If Jason wants her back but doesn't want to change a single aspect of himself for his widow or his now quite mobile child - one he cannot disown or pretend is someone else's so he can continue to hold down a life of crime - why doesn't she deserve better just as Robin or Liz or even, God help us all, Courtney did?

Because she told Jason/Drew before Jason came back that if he really wanted to go back and work for Sonny she would accept it? I think it was just before he bought the media company.

I don't necessarily think she doesn't NOT deserve to have a partner other than Jason, but that's the difference between Sam and those women, imo. They try and have their cake and eat it too with Sam, imo. "Oh she just wants to be a normal gal . . . but if Drew/Jason/whoever wanted the wild side she'd be strong enough to take it!"

Of course, there are many people who think Liz would have been fine being a moll if Jason had chosen her, but that's a different debate. I could be persuaded either way.

[ulkis]

Anyway, in regards to Drew/Sam/Jason, is it possible they'll just ultimately go with whichever one is more popular, regardless of KM or SB or whoever?

[dubbel zout]

14 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Anyway, in regards to Drew/Sam/Jason, is it possible they'll just ultimately go with whichever one is more popular, regardless of KM or SB or whoever?

If they're smart, yes. So...not a chance.

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

And they could hire someone who is leading man material but they're so determined not to upstage MB or SBu.

I think they already have actors who are leading-man material, but the problem is not wanting to upstage MB and SBu. Look how Ted King was driven away. It's ridiculous that two fragile egos have to be catered to so completely.

[truthaboutluv]

14 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

If they're smart, yes. So...not a chance.

Well if online conversation is anything to go by, most seem to be rooting for Jason and Sam. This is one of the rare places where I see criticism of Steve Burton and some not really wanting a Jason and Sam reunion. 
 

14 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

 Look how Ted King was driven away. It's ridiculous that two fragile egos have to be catered to so completely.

Oh Ted King - a tragedy that was. I remember how amazing his chemistry with Tamara Braun's Carly and Alexis, was. But of course we had to be told how both women really wanted Sonny instead.

Edited January 2, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Because she told Jason/Drew before Jason came back that if he really wanted to go back and work for Sonny she would accept it? I think it was just before he bought the media company.

I don't necessarily think she doesn't NOT deserve to have a partner other than Jason, but that's the difference between Sam and those women, imo. They try and have their cake and eat it too with Sam, imo. "Oh she just wants to be a normal gal . . . but if Drew/Jason/whoever wanted the wild side she'd be strong enough to take it!"

Of course, there are many people who think Liz would have been fine being a moll if Jason had chosen her, but that's a different debate. I could be persuaded either way.

What you said.

But, also, no, she doesn't deserve better, lol. Not without some introspection and some dialogue where she talks about being wrong in the past and mistreating people who thought JaSam's life was unsafe and wrong. You cannot spend over a decade telling us that Sam accepts Jason, understands Jason, gets Jason, is strong enough for Jason, and was deemed BETTER than other women because of this, and come back now and say, "Oops! She's just like the rest!" And we're supposed to go with it. Nope.

[jsbt]

6 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Had the online versions of AMC and OLTL worked, maybe. But, as you say, @jsbt, I don't see streaming happening for GH pretty much ever. I think once these four holdouts die, it'll be the end of the five days a week soap format.

They worked, they just didn't have proper financing. ABC has that but doesn't give a shit.