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How innovative of the show to give us a pregnancy where we're certain of the baby's father, yet still have a "who's the daddy?" angle in the form of Nathan's parentage. I don't understand Liesl's rationale for misleading Nathan. He knows Faison is Britt's father, so if Faison (or some other villain) is his dad, I think he'll take it in stride.

Lulu and Maxie's scheme looks like silly fun and I'm down for it because A) I enjoy their friendship and B) they're hopefully going to expose Nelle as the sneaky rat that she is.

It sucks Drew's getting arrested for desertion since I'm assuming he didn't leave of his own volition, but at least his time as Jason prepared him for this brush with the law.

Poor Monica had to be informed by Michael of the Jason/Drew identity reveal a full day after everyone else found out. She stressed to both twins that she loved them and supported them both, and yet neither bothered to communicate this information to her? Forget the women's shelter, I've got some ideas for where she should stick Olivia's tacky Christmas tree.

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10 minutes ago, Linny said:

It sucks Drew's getting arrested for desertion since I'm assuming he didn't leave of his own volition, but at least his time as Jason prepared him for this brush with the law.

This is the BIGGEST LOAD OF BULLSHIT I've come across in quite some time. And I've seen a LOT of BULL and HORSE SHIT with this FAKAKTA show. I'm not a military person, but all I learned of military law and AWOL and desertion, I learned from JAG. No way would JAG sign off on charging an AMNESIAC/Kidnapped SEAL with FUCKING DESERTION! Just ask Chegwidden (a FORMER SEAL himself!) and Harm!

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I love Monica. 

And I was wondering if they were going to come to the whole "desertion" bit. He went AWOL, he didn't leave because he wanted to. News travels fast, though. He found out his identity less than 24 hours ago, Monica found out in the morning and the navy is already there. Please give the man some breathing room!

Maxis is stupid. I imagine her baby will go bye bye soon enough.

Lulu is entitled. No, he doesn't have to give you a job because you took one journalism course in high school and wrote one article for some magazine. 

Oh, Nelle and her eye makeup of evil are back tomorrow. Joy to the world!

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I would like to know where Lulu and Maxie got teeny tiny hazmat suits.

lol at Rocco's face at Nelle in the previews.

So glad we got an 18 minute scene about Amy's reaction to the pregnancy.

I know it's not like she shot him in the chest or something, but it's still weird how Nathan is just like, "hey-hey mom, how's it hanging?"

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I haven't watched in nearly two years, I tune back in just to see what's afoot and of course Monica is still being giving nothing to work with.

Sure, her son/s are supposedly headlining the show right now with their nonsense but yet she gets stuck trying to make nice with that annoying shrew Olivia, and even if you believe in Christmas miracles I don't think there is anything that makes Olivia tolerable.

And then to have her speaking up in place of Tracy? Stay in your lane, Olivia. Acting as if she's been a Q for decades upon decades. Man I wish Skye had been there to rightfully shut her all the way down.

I don't care which one is Drew or Jason, frankly they both still bore the life out of me. Sam is back to doing nothing more than crying and trying to get some before being interrupted by unwanted guests so, I guess we've time-warped back to 2005 or thereabouts.

That would also explain Old Carly's appearance now, because why not at this point? Just give her a new name and an actual job, because what this show really needed was another unrelated female to the core of PC popping up with her dumb kid to "reconnect" to someone who supposedly is and therefore we're supposed to give a damn. Heck, bring back Faith then, at least she hated Sonny.

The Oscar Mayer Wiener kid is just awful. I thought that boy who played Rafe way back when was intolerable but this kid is making the work that actor did look like a Oscar Nomination reel of Laurence Olivier's best work.

Maxie is pregnant with Detective Driftwood's baby, how tragic. I also don't care who his Daddy is, though I fear they're going to get "creative" and pick someone that has no business being anywhere near him or his nutty mother. I still don't get why she isn't in prison.

But then again Franco is out among normal society without a shock collar on and a sniper team ready to take him out at the slightest flinch.

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I figure Carly called the SEAL command to tell them about Drew. She took a page from Sonny who had Jax deported to get him away from Carly. She probably figured that if Drew is locked up, Jason will have free access to Sam.

I  can buy Olivia overdecorating again. But what I can't accept is a working class Italian woman from Bensonhurst thinking that that fugly  white monstrosity is acceptable for a family tree.

I also wondered why Michael is taking Rocco to visit Santa instead of his parents.  Or you know his paternal grandmother

20 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

GH will never see him that way.

Doesn't mean it isn't true though. Jason and Sonny are both serial killers. The difference between Jason and Franco is that the latter hasn't killed since the tumor came out so I don't understand why Franco - bad; Jason - good for Liz.

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It took me a lot of braincells to think why Michael would be taking Rocco to Santa.  I guess he and Dante are "brothers" so he is Rocco's "uncle" but Olivia is Rocco's grandma, who is supposedly babysitting him???  shouldn't she be taking Rocco to Santa with Leo.  Actually Rocco's parents should be taking him, but his mother is "investigating" and where is Dante, I haven't seen him in ages.

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Ugh, I see Olivia will put me in a rage blackout, as is becoming distressingly common. LiLoC is a hoot IRL and deserves so much better than this crap and the idiotic Leo story. Why don’t Liv and Ned get their own place? I can’t understand why no one brings that up. They can still have a nanny. Gah.

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I think Olivia said something about Ned wanting to live in his family home but I was too busy shouting "The gatehouse! Why don't they just move into the gatehouse?!?"

Michael is the stepbrother (technically,  they never actually lived in the same house) of Rocco' s father but Rocco has enough closer relatives in town that it shouldn't be up to the busy CEO of ELQ to take him to see Santa.

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1 minute ago, statsgirl said:

I think Olivia said something about Ned wanting to live in his family home but I was too busy shouting "The gatehouse! Why don't they just move into the gatehouse?!?"

 

It's a huge stretch for Ned to call that the "family home."  Alan bought it for Monica when they got married.   

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How did Lulu have a journalism professor? She never went to college. That whole interview was hilarious. She investigated the school cafeteria, just like Richie Cunningham on Happy Days; nonetheless, she's willing to take an entry-level position with Aurora Media. And her hard-hitting investigative journalism piece is going to be who ratted out Man Landers. NO ONE CARES.

Also, LOL at Monica's recollection of how when Jason was a baby, some of the family wanted to cut him out of the will because he was illegitimate. Pretty sure that was mostly Monica. Edward and Lila were happy about there being another Q baby; Monica was the one who kept telling Alan to keep his bastard son away from her son. I know she's one of the few people being decent about Jason and Drew now, and I wouldn't care if they just ignored what a monster she was back then, but this constant revisionist history about how she loved Jason from the first moment she saw him bugs me.

Why can't Drew just kiss Sam in a normal way instead of always smushing their foreheads together and talking into her mouth for 30 seconds first?

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Can I just say how much I enjoyed everything about the Quartermaine scenes? All the dialog, the historical call backs, Monica getting her moment in the light by bringing it back to Alan. And I love Sam and Drew scenes; they're beautiful. I even love TB in her new role. So much goodness in today's scenes. 

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How did Lulu have a journalism professor? She never went to college. That whole interview was hilarious. She investigated the school cafeteria, just like Richie Cunningham on Happy Days; nonetheless, she's willing to take an entry-level position with Aurora Media. And her hard-hitting investigative journalism piece is going to be who ratted out Man Landers. NO ONE CARES.

Those Spencer women continue to be entitled. Laura thinks she can interview new ELQ personnel because she has a courtesy position on the Board, and blondie Lulu is throwing her weight around claiming to be an investigative reporter on par with the Watergate dudes. (Who needs a journalism degree? That's for unconnected wussies.) Luke's arrogant smirks live on in his two womenfolk.

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1 hour ago, CPP83 said:

Maxie is pregnant with Detective Driftwood's baby, how tragic.

All of Dr Nero's fuss about providing her with genetic background data on Nathan and Maxie's baby is dripping with irony. She herself has a big secret about her own child's father, who is probably Drew. It's an excuse to give Grandma more leverage to keep her secrets about Faison's possible parentage of Nathan, or it could be a setup for potential genetic flaws in Maxi's baby so that she will be given advice to abort.

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Just leaving this here if anyone needs it for future reference, lol. Heee, @GHScorpiosRule

"Last night I went to the foot bridge. Thought I could think a bit in my spot and I realized it's not my spot, it's his. Literally, it's his. He gave the money to buy the land to commemorate where he met Robin."

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9 hours ago, fishcakes said:

Oh, that's what that was about? I was only half paying attention because Nelle as a schemer hurts my feelings so I try not to look. When she got into the elevator with a smug smile and something in her hand, I thought maybe she'd stolen Oscar's DNA sample. If all it was is that she forged the autograph, that's ... lame. What is the purpose of that? She's so inept.

Stupidly, I thought she was putting the cap on some kind of receiver for a listening device she had hidden in the picture in order to spy on the household.  Sigh, I am so dumb.

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1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I figure Carly called the SEAL command to tell them about Drew. She took a page from Sonny who had Jax deported to get him away from Carly. She probably figured that if Drew is locked up, Jason will have free access to Sam.

 

The difference between Jason and Franco is that the latter hasn't killed since the tumor came out so I don't understand why Franco - bad; Jason - good for Liz.

Carly siccing the Navy on Drew makes sense - great comment!

 

Agree totally about Franco, though I know that is not a popular position on this forum.  I love it when bad guys are redeemed or have good points to them (case in point, even Stefano from Days had a soft spot, and it made the character more interesting), and since tv shows are all about suspending disbelief, I have no problem with the Franco character morphing into a good (albeit troubled) guy.  Also, I like RH heh.  Let Liz have some happiness, I say.  She has a lot of redeeming qualities.

As for Jason...sorry, the character is a full-on sociopath.  He's never even attempted to do the right thing or apologize for torturing/murdering people - he is just like Sonny, in my book.  Regarding the "which one is the real Jason" stupidity, I think it would have been a much better story had the BM Jason been the real Jason - not only for the purpose of Carly's head exploding, but also for the exploding heads of all the whiners on a certain social media site who have been screaming "No one can be Jason but Steve Burton" ever since the dude left to play that idiot on Y&R.

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31 minutes ago, HipOldBat said:

Stupidly, I thought she was putting the cap on some kind of receiver for a listening device she had hidden in the picture in order to spy on the household.  Sigh, I am so dumb.

I think that sounds more clever than what Nelle actually did.

I saw a lot of people confused about what she was did.

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Have TB's undereyes always been so dark? They're practically black. And has she always smiled that really annoying smile all the damn time? I don't remember it. 

I had to fast forward most of the Monica/Olivia scenes because Olivia is insufferable. And Michael is for sure 100% back to SLS levels. Super done with him.

LMAO at the Navy coming for Drew. I can't.

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43 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Have TB's undereyes always been so dark? They're practically black. And has she always smiled that really annoying smile all the damn time? I don't remember it. 

I had to fast forward most of the Monica/Olivia scenes because Olivia is insufferable. And Michael is for sure 100% back to SLS levels. Super done with him.

LMAO at the Navy coming for Drew. I can't.

TB's acting is awkward.  I never watched her as Carly but she's coming off as a bit of a weirdo.

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There is something much to fragile and mealy about TB's acting as both Carly and the role she has now. Actually, just awkward coming back to a soap she was already on as another character that is not a twin ! It really just bores me and as she did as Carly  I think she is always on the verge of tears.

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So are Lulu and Maxie the Lucy and Ethel of the show now?  Will Dante start telling her her hairbrained schemes are driving him to a fizzy-chiatrist?  God, what an insufferable storyline with Lulu thinking she's Christine Armanpour when she's more like Andrea Zuckerman.

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3 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So are Lulu and Maxie the Lucy and Ethel of the show now?  Will Dante start telling her her hairbrained schemes are driving him to a fizzy-chiatrist?  God, what an insufferable storyline with Lulu thinking she's Christine Armanpour when she's more like Andrea Zuckerman.

????????? At “fizzy-chiatrist!!”

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5 hours ago, statsgirl said:

I think Olivia said something about Ned wanting to live in his family home but I was too busy shouting "The gatehouse! Why don't they just move into the gatehouse?!?"

I wrote my post before watching, and yes, Olivia did say Ned wanted to live in his family home. I was too busy shouting, "Your mother doesn't live there anymore! Neither does your daughter! Move to the gatehouse and let your wife decorate it to her heart's content!" 

See, Olivia? You talk to Monica about what you want to do and you can find a compromise. Steamrolling your way through the house just frustrates everyone.

I don't get why Michael was so vehemently against trying to buy out Jason and Drew's ELQ shares. Who cares? Ned can't force them to sell. What's the harm in making an offer? Maybe they want out of that internecine nightmare.

Lulu's interview was hilarious. Her one "investigation" into moldy preschool lunches hardly makes her a journalist. And she didn't like working at Crimson, so it's gross she uses that as a reference. That said, I like the idea of Lulu and Maxie teaming up to unmask the person who spilled the beans to the Invader about Ask Man Landers' identity. That's a good story for those two, IMO, even if they eventually end up dealing with Nelle.

LOL at Drew being arrested. There's no way that would happen. He'd be called in to talk about what he thought happened to him.  It's not dramatic if it's galactically stupid, Show.

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7 hours ago, ulkis said:

Maybe Michael wants to take Rocco to see Santa?? It's possible lol.

He should take Avery because you know Sonny won't let Ava take her daughter to see Santa and Carly is too busy fawning over Jason.  And take Rocco too if neither of his parents or his grandmothers or his cousin Augustus and aunt Liz want to take him, although he looks old enough not to believe in Santa any more.

I was glad Michael was against buying Drew out. Right now, Drew would have seen even the offer as a yet another rejection, this time by the Quartermaines.

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9 hours ago, peachmangosteen said:

Have TB's undereyes always been so dark? They're practically black.

Yes. That was a frequent comment about her appearance first time around on GH.  I remember reading a lot of board snark at SoapZone and AOL along the lines of "It makes sense that her initials are TB. She looks like she has TB, with those dark circles under her eyes and [et cetera about how skinny she was]."

When Braun was there long enough to push back against the lighter hair the show had imposed at first (for continuity with Sarah Brown's Carly), and went back to her natural color, it may have accentuated the circles. We were looking at more "dark" close together, or they changed her makeup palette to go with it, or something.  

Tuesday's show was all right, but geez, I hope Drew gets back into a happy mood soon, because Miller's method of conveying "morose" in his speech is what I would consider appropriate for "recently had a stroke."  

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How did Lulu have a journalism professor? She never went to college. 

Wasn't she at PCU for a hot minute? And wasn't Pervy Pete (one of Patrick's awful friends) the prof who was pervy with Lulu? Although I think he was an English prof-- not journalism. So-- there, she took a college-level English class-- so obv-- she's qualified to be a reporter.  (sarcasm font).

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1 minute ago, sacrebleu said:

Wasn't she at PCU for a hot minute? And wasn't Pervy Pete (one of Patrick's awful friends) the prof who was pervy with Lulu? Although I think he was an English prof-- not journalism. So-- there, she took a college-level English class-- so obv-- she's qualified to be a reporter.  (sarcasm font).

I think he was pervy with Georgie, who did go to college.

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Julian is out on conditional release waiting on a new trial. Why did Valentin get unlimited release when The Hague let him go and why was he allowed to come back to Port Charles and surprise Lulu with his release?

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3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:
3 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

Wasn't she at PCU for a hot minute? And wasn't Pervy Pete (one of Patrick's awful friends) the prof who was pervy with Lulu? Although I think he was an English prof-- not journalism. So-- there, she took a college-level English class-- so obv-- she's qualified to be a reporter.  (sarcasm font).

I think he was pervy with Georgie, who did go to college.

I think he perved on everyone, which is one reason he got his nickname. Patrick had the worst friends—first Pete, then Lisa Niles. Ugh.

19 minutes ago, LexieLily said:

Julian is out on conditional release waiting on a new trial. Why did Valentin get unlimited release when The Hague let him go and why was he allowed to come back to Port Charles and surprise Lulu with his release?

DIdn't Alex vanish into the wind, so there was no one to testify against Valentin? The case had to be dropped, IIRC. That's why Valentin is footloose and fancy free again. Julian's case is still being evaluated, so that's why he has the ankle monitor.

Also, plot points.

I applaud Julian's commitment to calling Ned "Ted." That's the kind of pettiness I enjoy.

"We already know the Russians are mixed up in this." Wait, what?! We do? 

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5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

DIdn't Alex vanish into the wind, so there was no one to testify against Valentin? The case had to be dropped, IIRC. That's why Valentin is footloose and fancy free again. Julian's case is still being evaluated, so that's why he has the ankle monitor.

Also, plot points.

Plot points are a good answer for everything.

I'm sadly waiting for the shoe to drop and Valentin and/or Nina to find out about Lulu being arrested and use it against her.

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You could not pay me to believe that Julian (or most of the audience, for that matter) gives a shit about Leo, the child who never should have existed in the first place. I see no reason for this noise to be brought up every six months, and I hate that Olivia is catering to Julian. She shouldn't allow Julian (who is basically a stranger to Leo) to have any access to her child unless a court has granted him visitation. Letting Julian accompany them to see Santa only gives credence to Julian's claims of having a legitimate place in Leo's life.

How long until Nelle tells everyone she's pregnant? Those jabs at Carly about being a grandmother felt awfully pointed.

I need a gif of Sam saying "we already know the Russians are mixed up in this!" because I could get a lot of mileage out of that. I didn't pay a ton of attention to Alexis and her legal blah blah blah, because it's probably not realistic and Drew's certainly not going anywhere, so this roadblock isn't compelling to me. I did like Alexis asserting that Drew was her family, he needs reassurances like that.

Curtis Claus > Nellelf 

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2 minutes ago, Linny said:

Julian's claims of having a legitimate place in Leo's life

He does, though: He's Leo's father. Olivia knew who Julian was when she willingly slept with him without benefit of birth control. She doesn't get to have the moral high ground now. Shut up, Olivia.

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I think he perved on everyone, which is one reason he got his nickname. Patrick had the worst friends—first Pete, then Lisa Niles. Ugh.

Wasn't Sirhan Surgeon Patrick's friend as well?  I feel like he was another point in the case against Patrick's taste in friend.

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4 minutes ago, Mrs. Stanwyck said:

Wasn't Sirhan Surgeon Patrick's friend as well?  I feel like he was another point in the case against Patrick's taste in friend.

He was and he is actually the best one of the lot. So he was a plastic surgeon wh moonlighted as an assassin. No one is perfect.

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Wasn't Sirhan Surgeon Patrick's friend as well?  I feel like he was another point in the case against Patrick's taste in friend.

yup. He paid his way through medical school by becoming a gun for hire. He committed the unpardonable sin-- it wasn't shooting Michael in the head-- it was missing Sonny. Think of all the anguish that might have been saved had he been a better shot.

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I missed it - how did Maxie and lulu get out of jail already? I thought Dante was onto something about the feds...

 

Oh boo fucking hoo, Olivia. Go back to Bensonhurst.

Is she Italian IRL?

 

This show is making it pretty much impossible to willfully suspend my disbelief. It's just too much to ask.

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17 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

With her name being LoCicero, that would be a pretty safe bet.

Sounds Hispanic to me. 

lo cierro (just missing the "c") translates to "close" in Spanish (like "closing a drawer or door"). Or according to google " I'll take it" in Italian.

I'm interested because I'm wondering if they went to the trouble of hiring someone who is actually Italian for the role. Since they write the character to bring up her ethnicity so often.

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5 minutes ago, seasons said:

Sounds Hispanic to me. 

lo cierro (just missing the "c") translates to "close" in Spanish (like "closing a drawer or door").

I'm interested because I'm wondering if they went to the trouble of hiring someone who is actually Italian for the role. Since they write the character to bring it up so often.

Spanish and Italian are similar. Heck a lot of languages are similar. In Hindi, do means two; Spanish it's dos. Shirt is Camisa, and in Hindi, it's Kamees. Unfortunately, her imdb doesn't state what her ethnicity is.

And then you have Maurice Bernard, who isn't Italian, but plays one, even though Sonny's mother was Cuban and his father, Mike, was Greek. And Mo is hispanic.

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1 minute ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Spanish and Italian are similar. Heck a lot of languages are similar. In Hindi, do means two; Spanish it's dos. Shirt is Camisa, and in Hindi, it's Kamees. Unfortunately, her imdb doesn't state what her ethnicity is.

I was just thinking the same thing! Mediterranean area countries so close to each other. 

Thanks for your help! Very interesting! Language and ethnicities are so cool.

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I feel bad because I like the actress (Lisa LoC) but I just wish the Olivia character wasn't written to be so annoying...

I did see that she was on one of my favorite soaps,"Loving". And also OLTL. She's sure had an impressive career! plus, she's a Star Wars fan! 

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Today on Sociopaths Keeping Other Sociopaths from Their Children....

It struck me at the Santa Claus venue that both Ava and Julian were being kept from their children because the other parent doesn't think they're good enough.  I was glad that Julian decided to fight to stay in Leo's life.  (It was a low blow that Olivia said that Julian's other children wouldn't have anything to do with him because he only now about their existence when they were adults.)  I like that they wrote Olivia reconsidering, it make her the only likable person in that whole group.  Ned of course thought it was okay to keep Julian away from Leo, he's like Edward in that. 

In other parts:

The best thing about the show today was having an African-American Santa Claus.  And yes, too many people forget that Jesus was from the Middle East and probably looked it.

Carly got points for actually thinking about how Drew must be feeling. She lost points for staying back to fight with Nelle instead of joining Avery with Santa Claus.  And generally for keeping Ava from being able to take her daughter to see Santa Claus.

Were Lulu and Maxie supposed to be wacky hi jinks?  Because all I got was boring.

They need to lose Nelle.  Months ago.  She's not even a good antagonist.  Although if she has real dirt on Carly, keep her around till she spills it.

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53 minutes ago, seasons said:

Sounds Hispanic to me. 

lo cierro (just missing the "c") translates to "close" in Spanish (like "closing a drawer or door"). Or according to google " I'll take it" in Italian.

I'm interested because I'm wondering if they went to the trouble of hiring someone who is actually Italian for the role. Since they write the character to bring up her ethnicity so often.

LoCicero is a Sicilian name.

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16 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

And generally for keeping Ava from being able to take her daughter to see Santa

If Ava was there, she'd be saying, "oh Santa! If only I could grow a long beard like you to cover up my hideous scar! DAMN YOU SANTA!!! SITTING THERE ON YOUR REINDEER JUDGING ME!!"

What's going on with Michael's hair? All he needs is a sweater vest and pipe to complete the dweebification.

And could he please just turn around every time Nelle wheedles out a passive aggressive line? 

Sonny: Can't we just go through one day without schemes?

Yeah, can't we get more screentime for Sonny doing other stuff!?

And no, Sonny, if we can't have two episodes in a row without you popping up, you can't go without having to deal with Carly's plaaaans.

Oh good, fighting over Leo. 

I don't know how Sam and Drew would come off to me if I didn't know that KM and BM are possibly dating/good friends/avid picture takers of themselves. As it is though, they really seem like they're overdoing it on the cuddling.

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3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I applaud Julian's commitment to calling Ned "Ted." That's the kind of pettiness I enjoy.

"We already know the Russians are mixed up in this." Wait, what?! We do? 

I actually asked my empty kitchen, "Did he say Ted?". Nobody answered so I rewound and enjoyed it several times. This is the Julian I like.

And of course the Russians are involved, they say the word "Russians" on the news all the time so TPTB think they're being all cutting edge, we have the Russians, the drug epidemic, probably some sexual harassment coming up soon, maybe some political resignations, and we can't forget Beau Bergdahl has been in the news again and Drew went AWOL so there ya go writers, once again, no imagination needed!

Also I'm sure Lulu and her new investigator instincts will win her a Pulitzer.

Does today's Santa in the park mean no Santa at GH? No reading of The Night Before Christmas? 

I miss the Quartermaines. Can't AJ just be Franco? So many problems solved, and to the best of my recollection nobody ever said, "hey Franco your face looks different" so they can just make him be AJ and they don't even have to mention he looks different. 

Why do I expect anything from this show? And it's not easy to explain hate-watching to my sis-in-law who never watches tv at all. She always manages to walk in the room just as something extra stupid happens too, she laughs, I say "hate-watching", and she leaves the room laughing some more.

Lets do this show right or cancel it because it's getting harder to watch and even harder to explain why I do watch. Since 1976 is a lot of years of watching.

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