Episode Discussion: TFGH

[statsgirl]

23 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

All she told NuJason is that he's not Jason, but that doesn't mean his relationships with people weren't real. NuJason then proceeded to guilt-trip her and that's why she left. She didn't drop him. She's just not going to lie. And NuJason suddenly acting like he remembers all about their relationship and basically implied that out of EVERYONE, he's hurt the most by her. LMAOOO.

She ran into him by accident.  If not for that, it wouldn't have occurred to her to see him at all.  This is the guy who saved her life by risking his own, and it's a guy who is going through a lot right now especially if what she thinks is true and he's not only not the real Jason, he's a man who had fake memories implanted and has nothing of his own now.  It would be nice if she spared a thought for this guy and what he was going through.

Doesn't BMJason remember about their relationship?  Even if they're fake, he has all the memories of the original and believes that they are real. And again, he risked his life for Robin.  That's pretty small empathy coming from an MD who has been trained to be empathic much less from Robin.

Given how fast they're dropping him now, his relationships with those people aren't real.

30 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

And, I also find it strange that some want Robin and Co. to be wrong. What exactly does that prove? That all of Jason's family and friends are idiots?

That they're shallow.  Which going by the current storyline, they are.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, statsgirl said:

She ran into him by accident.  If not for that, it wouldn't have occurred to her to see him at all.  This is the guy who saved her life by risking his own, and it's a guy who is going through a lot right now especially if what she thinks is true and he's not only not the real Jason, he's a man who had fake memories implanted and has nothing of his own now.  It would be nice if she spared a thought for this guy and what he was going through.

Doesn't BMJason remember about their relationship?  Even if they're fake, he has all the memories of the original and believes that they are real. And again, he risked his life for Robin.  That's pretty small empathy coming from an MD who has been trained to be empathic much less from Robin.

Given how fast they're dropping him now, his relationships with those people aren't real.

That they're shallow.  Which going by the current storyline, they are.

 She went to see Liz and ran into him, lol. There is no way to know what would have occurred to Robin unless she voiced that she wasn't going to see him ever. She did not.

Robin also acknowledged and knows that BMJason saved her. That does not mean she has to believe he's Jason over the man who actually is. And she does feel for him. That's why she told him all the things he HAS. I'm not seeing where she wasn't thinking about him. She's not going to lie. He started in on her trying to make her feel guilty for not believing....

The point of the story is to show that everyone who believes OGJason is Jason is shallow? And again I ask....what's the point of that? I'm still not understanding. Then BM as Jason does what? Just hangs out with Sam and Liz? 

[dubbel zout]

7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Given how fast they're dropping him now, his relationships with those people aren't real.

Another reason for me to hate these kinds of stories. It makes a mockery of everything before the twin returned.

[Auntie Velvet]

8 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Wait, wait.... on yesterday's show.....

* Sonny's Island (*koff*PuertoRico*koff*) is still without power and infrastructure since the recent hurricanes.

 

They actually did say explicitly that they were talking about Puerto Rico and how bad things are there, but -- surprise -- Mo garbled his line. (I rewound it; I was curious.) Then they talked about how his island, which I guess is supposed to be right off PR, is sort of OK because he has a generator at the house and so the staff are OK. I don't remember if he mentioned the casino and other stuff that's supposed to be on his island, because it was a pretty rushed conversation. 

[nilyank]

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All of that was so clunky. I wonder if LW ad libbed to cover for Mo's mistake? Though you'd think something that blatant would be reshot.

I would say it was a badly written scene, because the purpose of Sonny checking on the game was so that Sonny and Carly could watch Nora's news conference about Olivia and Julian.

[Thinbalina]

11 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

 

The point of the story is to show that everyone who believes OGJason is Jason is shallow? And again I ask....what's the point of that? I'm still not understanding. Then BM as Jason does what? Just hangs out with Sam and Liz? 

I think there is a point to how heavy handed it has been written against huglife. Everyone has gravitated towards thuglife Jason and have pretty much written off everything huglife has done for them in the past. Even though thuglife has indeed lost 5 years of his life as he has said, in my eyes huglife seem more lost and hurting. Huglife's emotions are all over the place and I appreciate it because the layers are coming through. 

Anyways, at this point I'm pulling for huglife since everyone has pretty much turned their back on him without a regard to his feelings.

[Auntie Velvet]

3 minutes ago, nilyank said:

I would say it was a badly written scene, because the purpose of Sonny checking on the game was so that Sonny and Carly could watch Nora's news conference about Olivia and Julian.

Football was my takeaway for the excuse to get them in front of the TV, too. But "Carly" seemed so caught off guard by the abruptness of Sonny deciding to watch that I think LW knew there was some transition there that he'd forgotten.

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, Thinbalina said:

I think there is a point to how heavy handed it has been written against huglife. Everyone has gravitated towards thuglife Jason and have pretty much written off everything huglife has done for them in the past. Even though thuglife has indeed lost 5 years of his life as he has said, in my eyes huglife seem more lost and hurting. Huglife's emotions are all over the place and I appreciate it because the layers are coming through. 

Anyways, at this point I'm pulling for huglife since everyone has pretty much turned their back on him without a regard to his feelings.

I don't see anyone forgetting what NuJason has done. Or disregarding his feelings. They just don't believe he's Jason. NuJason can't handle that. That's all that's happening here. 

[nilyank]

10 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don't see anyone forgetting what NuJason has done. Or disregarding his feelings. They just don't believe he's Jason. NuJason can't handle that. That's all that's happening here. 

I will also add that SBJason lost five years of his life and a complete stranger took over his life. As badly as BMJason feels, this is not his real life and prior to finding out that he was Jason Morgan, he display a complete lack of interest in finding out anything about his past.

As much, as BMJason feels that people are turning away from him, there was a noticeable distance he erected with Sonny, Carly, Robin Michael, before SBJason returned to Port Charles. So it is not surprising when SBJason comes back into their lives and they notice that emotional wall is not present between him and them, and they want to be around him.

[statsgirl]

Of course BMJason can't handle his life being erased and everything he believes not to be true.  Robin's "You have a twin and you're Scout's biological father" is not enough to base a life on, especially if Sam decides that she wants SBJason and moves in with him taking Scout with her.  (It's also pretty cold on Robin's part IMO.) His relationships with Danny and Jake don't matter because he's not their real father, his loyalty to Sonny (including protecting Sonny from being shot), Carly and Michael doesn't matter because they've decided he's not their real friend while Carly is pushing Sam to leave him (she's such a loyal friend after all he's done for them) and apparently his investments in QC and his purchase of the media company are going to be wiped out because it wasn't his money.   "You have a twin (which he doesn't care about) and you're Scout's biodad is nothing compared to what he believed about his life before.

55 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

 She went to see Liz and ran into him, lol. There is no way to know what would have occurred to Robin unless she voiced that she wasn't going to see him ever. She did not.

She also didn't say "He must be so confused and scared, I should go and see if he's okay."  It seems like she didn't give him a thought now that she believes that her Jason is back, whereas before they did have a relationship.

SBJason knows who he is, he has the support of his closest family and friends, and even though he was held captive for a while (he doesn't know how long), he back about his loved ones.  BMJason's world just fell apart for the second time.  He's the one I have far more sympathy for.

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As badly as BMJason feels, this is not his real life

But it is his real life at the moment.  His marriage to Sam, his relationships with Danny and Jake, his purchase of the media company and his relationships with Sonny, Carly, and Michael at the moment were all his real life.  He thought he was friends with Sonny, Carly and Michael, he thought he was the owner of a media company, he thought he was the father of two sons.  At the moment, it's BMJason's life, not SBJason's.

It's only false because his so-called friends are rejecting him.  Monica seems to be the only one who can accept both Jasons, probably because OGJason rejected her so much she'll take anything she can get.

Edited November 22, 2017 by statsgirl

[HeatLifer]

6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

SBJason knows who he is, he has the support of his closest family and friends, and even though he was held captive for a while (he doesn't know how long), he back about his loved ones.  BMJason's world just fell apart for the second time.  He's the one I have far more sympathy for.

And that's cool. All viewers side with certain characters. But that doesn't mean OGJason didn't lose his life for five years. Doesn't mean Robin can't say she doesn't believe NuJason is Jason.  She told him the truth and he couldn't handle that and basically made HER feel like shit for not believing him. He's not even questioning anything as he should. So it works both ways.

9 minutes ago, nilyank said:

As much, as BMJason feels that people are turning away from him, there was a noticeable distance he erected with Sonny, Carly, Robin Michael, before SBJason returned to Port Charles. So it is not surprising when SBJason comes back into their lives and they notice that emotional wall is not present between him and them, and they want to be around him.

Also, THIS. BMJason hasn't even see Michael and he's attacking Robin for not believing him even though they haven't even spent that much time together, lol.

Edited November 22, 2017 by HeatLifer

[coffee drinker]

24 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

I don't see anyone forgetting what NuJason has done. Or disregarding his feelings. They just don't believe he's Jason. NuJason can't handle that. That's all that's happening here. 

The guy thinks he's Jason.  He did nothing to think otherwise at this point.  The others are basically acting like he did it on purpose somehow, now he's busted, too bad so sad.  Suck it up.  Sucks to be you fauxJason, we've got our real guy back now. 

Every single character should be mystified by two men claiming to be the same person at this point.  Not some stoopid reunion tour for SBu where nearly everyone believes him from the jump.  Everyone should be in some sort of shock and be wondering how did this happen?  Not telling the one they now believe is the fake to suck it.  

I am actually hoping that BMiller gets great material to play for the Drew role they're obviously pushing him toward now.  Let P6 and his cadre (which includes your fave Robin) continue to be his butt kissers until doomsday.  

[HeatLifer]

2 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

Let P6 and his cadre (which includes your fave Robin) continue to be his butt kissers until doomsday.  

Those are his relationships. LOL. My fave Robin loves that dude. Is what it is.

4 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

Not telling the one they now believe is the fake to suck it.  

Which scenes were these?

[RedheadZombie]

I finally figured out why Jason's face is so jarring.  His eyebrows are invisible.  It's like the makeup artist applies his foundation with an airbrush, and she blasts right over his eyebrows.  Then since his lips are flesh-colored, she applies a pink lipstick.  It's absolutely tragic.  He needs a professional to dye his eyebrows, and if his lips are naturally that pink, they need to be toned down.

Poor Cam and Aiden.  Not only did JasonMiller dump them after finding out he was "Jason", but now Danny has two daddies while they still have none.  They should SORAS Cam to college and figure out how to implement Aiden into the story.  But the only child of Elizabeth's that counts of is Jason's.  AMC was my least favorite ABC soap because of Erica Kane, but at least that soap revolved around women and their lives, rather than the opposite.  Although I will admit to jumping up and down and clapping when Erica lost custody of Bianca.

[nilyank]

7 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

Every single character should be mystified by two men claiming to be the same person at this point.  Not some stoopid reunion tour for SBu where nearly everyone believes him from the jump.  Everyone should be in some sort of shock and be wondering how did this happen?  Not telling the one they now believe is the fake to suck it.  

 

But they are not telling him that. Sonny and Carly are the biggest self-involved people on the show and  have no problem trashing people they don't like. Just ask the Jeromes. They feel badly for BMJason but they feel that he is not Jason because things have been different since BMJason was declared Jason Morgan. Whether it was because the writers failed to write that story properly or none of the actors were able to generate the same kind of relationship chemistry as the actors previously did with Sbu. In the end, while BMJason was Jason, he just wasn't the Jason that they remembered and had to step back and accept that.

[TeeVee329]

Previews...why the hell are Maxie (and Nathan) over at Lulu and Dante's instead of Anna's, that's ridiculous.  And Dr. Bensch is already so ensconced with Alexis that he's cooking at her house?  The what?

Edited November 22, 2017 by TeeVee329

[coffee drinker]

1 minute ago, nilyank said:

But they are not telling him that. Sonny and Carly are the biggest self-involved people on the show and  have no problem trashing people they don't like. Just ask the Jeromes. They feel badly for BMJason but they feel that he is not Jason because things have been different since BMJason was declared Jason Morgan. Whether it was because the writers failed to write that story properly or none of the actors were able to generate the same kind of relationship chemistry as the actors previously did with Sbu. In the end, while BMJason was Jason, he just wasn't the Jason that they remembered and had to step back and accept that.

I get what you're saying.  The missing emotion here is empathy.  Especially for Drewson.  These people had a relationship with the man, regardless of how they think of him now.  They all lack empathy for this guy who has no reason to believe he's not their friend.  What Robin failed to say to Drewson today, imo, is that while she no longer thinks he's Jason, he is also a victim here.  She should be wondering why she thought he was and how he came to think he was Jason.  But nope, as long as Kimmie and Stevie get to make teary eyed j&r stans all a flutter, her writing is a-okay.  I like KimMc as Robin, except in j&r.  Hated it from the start.  

19 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

Those are his relationships. LOL. My fave Robin loves that dude. Is what it is.

Which scenes were these?

Have any of them bothered to ask about him?  The writers lack focus on his situation makes every single one of them an asshole.  A callous, selfish asshole, imo.  And today, that included Robin.  

[HeatLifer]

4 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

Have any of them bothered to ask about him?  The writers lack focus on his situation makes every single one of them an asshole.  A callous, selfish asshole, imo.  And today, that included Robin.  

I love my boring asshole. <3

5 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

But nope, as long as Kimmie and Stevie get to make teary eyed j&r stans all a flutter, her writing is a-okay. 

I love them so much. More scenes please!

[Hater]

28 minutes ago, coffee drinker said:

I get what you're saying.  The missing emotion here is empathy.  Especially for Drewson.  These people had a relationship with the man, regardless of how they think of him now.  They all lack empathy for this guy who has no reason to believe he's not their friend.  What Robin failed to say to Drewson today, imo, is that while she no longer thinks he's Jason, he is also a victim here.  She should be wondering why she thought he was and how he came to think he was Jason.  But nope, as long as Kimmie and Stevie get to make teary eyed j&r stans all a flutter, her writing is a-okay.  I like KimMc as Robin, except in j&r.  Hated it from the start.  

Have any of them bothered to ask about him?  The writers lack focus on his situation makes every single one of them an asshole.  A callous, selfish asshole, imo.  And today, that included Robin.  

Agreed.  A totally unfeeling asshole, but that's how Robin is when she is the presence of Jasus and St. Scumbag.  

 

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I finally figured out why Jason's face is so jarring.  His eyebrows are invisible.  It's like the makeup artist applies his foundation with an airbrush, and she blasts right over his eyebrows.  Then since his lips are flesh-colored, she applies a pink lipstick.  It's absolutely tragic.  He needs a professional to dye his eyebrows, and if his lips are naturally that pink, they need to be toned down.

The man was never attractive in my opinion.  Very strong features that resemble a ferret, so aging hasn't helped obviously.

Edited November 22, 2017 by Hater

[ciarra]

Robin: "You're not Jason.  Suck it up, Buttercup.  Gotta go."

[statsgirl]

I figure they have to have Bensch in more scenes so there's drama when Julian returns and fights for Alexis.  And Sam and Diane will be all "You're a fool if you go back to Julian when there's a smart, kind age-appropriate doctor waiting for you."  There's zero drama here.

2 hours ago, nilyank said:

They feel badly for BMJason but they feel that he is not Jason because things have been different since BMJason was declared Jason Morgan.

So they just dumped the guy who ended up in the hospital with a bullet because he had Sonny's back.

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Also, THIS. BMJason hasn't even see Michael and he's attacking Robin for not believing him even though they haven't even spent that much time together, lol.

But Robin doesn't believe him, she told him that, and we already know that Michael doesn't either.  Michael is so over BMJason that he can't even be bothered to go over and talk to him. It's not just that Robin doesn't believe him, she showed zero empathy for his situation or for helping him deal with it.

52 minutes ago, ciarra said:

Robin: "You're not Jason.  Suck it up, Buttercup.  Gotta go."

Exactly. Robin has her real Jason back and that's all she or the writers care about.

Edited November 22, 2017 by statsgirl

[Oracle42]

I might be rooting for BM to be the One True Jason, despite (well, because of) his nuclear anti-chem with Sonny, if he didn't have the same anti-chem with Michael. That's an important relationship and it is not good. And frankly, BM isn't good at playing Jason - he'll probably be better at being someone else. I think he'd be better off as Jason's younger brother or Michael's goofy uncle, since that's who he's been playing anyway. It's not a good story, but he wasn't a great recast - and at least Drew has a future and a history that's not tied to Sonny.

[HeatLifer]

6 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's not just that Robin doesn't believe him, she showed zero empathy for his situation or for helping him deal with it.

I don't agree that she's not showing empathy. We also don't know what she will do in the future to help with the situation.

But, regardless, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. BMJason, to me, was basically snarling at Robin all, "how dare you!" She told the truth and left because he's still in denial. She can't tell him she'll help him when he just wants people to "believe." Robin did more for him than Liz (who lied to him for a year) and Sam (who is having conversations behind his back instead of talking to him.) *shrugs*

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

Oh, and another LOL that Robin didn't tell Carly what OG remembered. Be petty, girl!

I also loved Robin clearly having fun toying with Carly with her "I'd love to" for the dinner invitation, followed by a long pause before she added "but I can't."  Girl, you've gone high for too long with that wench.  Go low--I will support you!

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

And, I also find it strange that some want Robin and Co. to be wrong. What exactly does that prove? That all of Jason's family and friends are idiots? Yeah, sure! Beautiful story! Just like the beautiful story of Samtrick!

Why is it strange? Just because you want SB to be the real Jason doesn't make people wanting BM to be the real one, strange. Jason's family and friends are idiots already. They didn't need this storyline for that. But, in regards to this storyline, it already makes them look like idiots because they believed BM was Jason for years - and despite the retcons that Carly, Diane, etc deep down didn't believe he was - and only now are figuring out he might not be the real one. 

To me, I want him to be the real Jason because A)I liked his Jason better. And B) I would love to see smug Sonny and Carly taken down a peg. I would love for them to have to know that despite all their chest beating about how much they've missed their Jason and only they know the real him, that they don't know him at all. I would love for them to have to realize that their Jason truly is putting his wife and children first and now they may have permanently ruined forever by tossing him overboard for his twin.

2 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

The point of the story is to show that everyone who believes OGJason is Jason is shallow? And again I ask....what's the point of that? I'm still not understanding. Then BM as Jason does what? Just hangs out with Sam and Liz?

Again, I'm not understanding your confusion. You're acting like this show wouldn't have had a storyline for BM's Jason without SBu coming back. Like he would just hang out with Sam and Liz if he turns out to be Jason. There's plenty of him to do. Dealing with the fallout of having this new twin. Dealing with the fallout of most of his friends and family turning their back on him. Dealing with his and Sam's new business. 

 

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

I don't see anyone forgetting what NuJason has done. Or disregarding his feelings. They just don't believe he's Jason. NuJason can't handle that. That's all that's happening here. 

 

1 hour ago, HeatLifer said:

And that's cool. All viewers side with certain characters. But that doesn't mean OGJason didn't lose his life for five years. Doesn't mean Robin can't say she doesn't believe NuJason is Jason.  She told him the truth and he couldn't handle that and basically made HER feel like shit for not believing him. He's not even questioning anything as he should. So it works both ways.

They are forgetting about him and dismissing his feelings - especially Carly. Have a single one of these fools reached out to BM's Jason in any significant way? As soon as Carly got done with her first reunion and tongue bath with SBJason she made a beeline for Sam's freakin' hospital room and basically told BMJason she'd determined that he wasn't the real Jason and he needed to get out of the way for the real one. She then pleaded SBJason's case to Sam again at a later time and when Sam called her on the fact that if Carly had her way she'd snap her fingers and BMJason would lose everything, Carly said "yeah." A lot of them have talked a good game about knowing what a good guy BMJason is, but in their actions, they've all but tossed him aside.

Robin didn't tell him the truth - at least not right now in their reality. She can say all she wants that SBJason is the real one. She's welcome to her opinion. But as of now, it's not a fact. All these people really have our their gut feelings that SBJason is the real one - and given that their gut feelings for the past two years were that BMJason was the real thing their gut feelings don't seem to be much to base anything on. BMJason has every reason to believe he is who he says. He has the DNA, the memories. And what you consistently call him "guilt-tripping" Robin, I saw him pouring out his heart to her. He wasn't trying to make her feel like shit. But what is he supposed to do just lap it up with a smile as person after person tells him his life is a lie?

Look, we all know, that there is a 90% chance SB is the real Jason. But, I've yet to read any spoilers that confirm that. And as far as the characters know, they both have the same DNA and both have Jason's memories. They both have every reason to believe they could be the same, Jason. But no one is going up to SBJason and telling him that he might not be the real Jason and he has to deal with that. Yet, Carly and Robin and Sonny et al. have no problem telling BMJason that he is 100% not Jason and he needs to deal with it and give up what he believes is his life. According to you, BMJason should be questioning things, but I don't see you asking the same question of SBJason. And they both are asking questions. They both don't understand how the other could have what he believes are his memories. SBJason has Sonny and his goons looking into things and BMJason has Curtis looking into the situation.

[HeatLifer]

3 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Why is it strange? Just because you want SB to be the real Jason doesn't make people wanting BM to be the real one, strange.

This isn't about what I want, lol. It's strange because the main reason people want BM to be Jason is for other characters to eat crow, as you yourself just said in wanting Sonny and Carly to be taken down. I've yet to see anyone want BM to be Jason because he was a great recast and fans didn't want HIS relationships with Sonny, Carly, Michael, etc, to be ruined. Nope, they want Jason to pretty much tell them to screw themselves. Except.....that's not Jason Morgan. So shouldn't it be more realistic to want BM to be a new character? He'd be free of them all. Win win!

BM Jason having a story where all his loved ones didn't believe him and turned on him would do what to those relationships? How would those relationships survive? How would they ever be believable again? These aren't relationships that are a year old. These a longtime friends and family. 

I can't believe I have to defend Carly but here I am. Carly has been blaming herself this entire time. She feels bad for pushing all this on BMJason. She has taken responsibility. 

Robin told the truth as she sees it. She didn't tell BMJason his life is a lie, she actually said that everything he's experienced...his life with Sam, their child, etc, was real. They all still care. They just think he's someone else. BMJason didn't even remember anything until a year ago. He just knew Robin was "important." So this whole speech now that he FEELS all his memories rang very, very false as it was never shown.

[ulkis]

I think BM being Drew makes Sam look a lot savvier.

Falling in love with the new guy who put her first, even if she did think he was, but then picking him after all, makes her look like she's wised up. If BM turns out to be Jason, yeah he chose her . . . it only took a decade of putting his business before her, a death threat, and being in a coma for years before he needed yet another brain surgery, for him to be finally decide he didn't want to be in the mob anymore.

Yeah sure BM has those memories too but still his personality has shown that he's not like that.

Edited November 22, 2017 by ulkis

[FilmTVGeek80]

25 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

This isn't about what I want, lol. It's strange because the main reason people want BM to be Jason is for other characters to eat crow, as you yourself just said in wanting Sonny and Carly to be taken down. I've yet to see anyone want BM to be Jason because he was a great recast and fans didn't want HIS relationships with Sonny, Carly, Michael, etc, to be ruined. Nope, they want Jason to pretty much tell them to screw themselves. Except.....that's not Jason Morgan. So shouldn't it be more realistic to want BM to be a new character? He'd be free of them all. Win win!

BM Jason having a story where all his loved ones didn't believe him and turned on him would do what to those relationships? How would those relationships survive? How would they ever be believable again? These aren't relationships that are a year old. These a longtime friends and family. 

I can't believe I have to defend Carly but here I am. Carly has been blaming herself this entire time. She feels bad for pushing all this on BMJason. She has taken responsibility. 

Robin told the truth as she sees it. She didn't tell BMJason his life is a lie, she actually said that everything he's experienced...his life with Sam, their child, etc, was real. They all still care. They just think he's someone else. BMJason didn't even remember anything until a year ago. He just knew Robin was "important." So this whole speech now that he FEELS all his memories rang very, very false as it was never shown.

Actually, I believe in my post I did say - in addition to wanting Sonny et al. to eat crow - that I liked BM's Jason more than SB's. And, for me, whether it's SB's Jason or BM's Jason I don't care about his relationships with Sonny or Carly. I, honestly, don't care whether it's in character or not for Jason - either one - to tell Carly or Sonny to go screw themselves. It's something that should have happened a long time ago. And while I know it will never happen, I'll never stop wishing for it. And honestly, it's not like SB's Jason hasn't told off those characters before. He's had to tell Carly to back off on a number of occasions. When Sonny was dating Emily, Jason basically went to war with Sonny. So, no, it's not out of character for Jason to be angry with them.

How would those relationships survive? This is a soap opera. How is Franco still a viable character after all the shit he pulled (and I know a lot of people -especially on this board - don't like him but there are those who like him)? How are Sonny and Carly still together after he shot her in the head? How did Luke and Laura survive rape? While them not believing BM was Jason would certainly blow up certain relationships (and as I said before in the case of Sonny and Carly, I wouldn't care if those relationships were repaired) it certainly wouldn't have to be permanent.

Carly feeling guilty isn't the point - though I will say that I think Carly's guilty over telling BM he was Jason is more out of loyalty to SBJason than out of feeling truly bad for BMJason. She's upset that it's not easy for SBJason to just slip into his old life and she feels guilty for thinking someone else was him. I think she cares a little bit about how hard this is on BMJason, but I think that's like 20th down on her list of concerns. Anyway,  people, including myself, have pointed out that BMJason has basically been abandoned by a lot of his friends. You, specifically, asked for an example of that. That was why I brought up Carly's scene in Sam's hospital room and her later scene demanding Sam dump BMJason.

She did tell him his life was a lie. She threw him a bone that yes, he is a Quartermaine no matter what and is Scout's father and people still care for him but that doesn't change that she told him the rest of it wasn't real. His name. His home. His wife. His sons. She's saying none of that other stuff that makes up a huge chunk of his life is really his. Agree to disagree on the last point. I liked BMJason and Robin's past scenes and I always thought he played it like he felt a connection with her and I definitely feel like he played his connection to Sam and even, to a lesser extent, Sonny and Carly.

Edited November 22, 2017 by FilmTVGeek80

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

How would those relationships survive? This is a soap opera. How is Franco still a viable character after all the shit he pulled (and I know a lot of people -especially on this board - don't like him but there are those who like him)? How are Sonny and Carly still together after he shot her in the head? How did Luke and Laura survive rape? While them not believing BM was Jason would certainly blow up certain relationships (and as I said before in the case of Sonny and Carly, I wouldn't care if those relationships were repaired) it certainly wouldn't have to be permanent.

Of course it wouldn't be permanent. That's why I think it would be unnecessary. They would all just go back to normal like nothing ever happened. If people want to see that, OK.

 

3 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I liked BMJason and Robin's past scenes and I always thought he played it like he felt a connection with her

I love them and loved them today, too. I adore conflict and felt his pain and unlike others, I felt how hard it was for her to even say that. She didn't want to have that conversation but she had to deal with it. She doesn't think he's Jason. It was BMJason who didn't want to hear anything else unless she believed him and not OG.

 

5 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

So, no, it's not out of character for Jason to be angry with them.

Of course that's not OOC. What's OOC is wanting Jason to cut everyone out but Sam and the kids. 

[ulkis]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Previews...why the hell are Maxie (and Nathan) over at Lulu and Dante's instead of Anna's, that's ridiculous.  And Dr. Bensch is already so ensconced with Alexis that he's cooking at her house?  The what?

Don't you want to hear Maxie and Lulu SQUEE about babies? Because these two don't have anything in their history that maybe would make them have a more nuanced reaction to this or anything.

(Speaking of, Sam's "I love my husband" is starting to be the new "I had an abortion.")

I think all 4 of them should have gone to Anna's. Might as well put Anna's giant ass house to use.

[HeatLifer]

Just now, ulkis said:

Speaking of, Sam's "I love my husband" is starting to be the new "I had an abortion.")

She can't even say "Jason." LOL. And yet Robin is THE BAD for being honest.

[FilmTVGeek80]

1 minute ago, HeatLifer said:

Of course it wouldn't be permanent. That's why I think it would be unnecessary. They would all just go back to normal like nothing ever happened. If people want to see that, OK.

I'm a little confused. First, you made it seem like if BMJason turned out to be the real one and his friends and family turned on him their relationships wouldn't survive or be believable again. But now you're saying that the damage wouldn't be permanent after all and the relationship could be believable but it's just pointless because the damage wouldn't be permanent? 

To me, it doesn't necessarily matter if the damage is permanent. That's not a reason not to do a story. It should be about the journey to repairing the relationships.

8 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

It was BMJason who didn't want to hear anything else unless she believed him and not OG.

You're making it sound like he's being unreasonable. I don't really think it's ridiculous for someone to want his friends and family to actually believe him that he is who he says he is. He wasn't mean to Robin. He didn't yell at her. Unlike Dian (who deserved it IMO) he didn't tell her to go to hell. He just wants her to believe him.

10 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

What's OOC is wanting Jason to cut everyone out but Sam and the kids. 

Who's saying for him to cut everyone else out of his life? I certainly know I wasn't saying that. Everyone does not equal Sonny and Carly. I'm fine with Jason cutting them out of his life. He doesn't need to cut out Michael or Monica or Max or even Liz.

[HeatLifer]

1 minute ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

I'm a little confused. First, you made it seem like if BMJason turned out to be the real one and his friends and family turned on him their relationships wouldn't survive or be believable again. But now you're saying that the damage wouldn't be permanent after all and the relationship could be believable but it's just pointless because the damage wouldn't be permanent? 

To me, it doesn't necessarily matter if the damage is permanent. That's not a reason not to do a story. It should be about the journey to repairing the relationships.

There is a difference between what is shown onscreen/what the writers want you to buy and what is actually believable. The show will pretend like nothing happened. THAT is what wouldn't be believable.  Those relationships would look more ridiculous than ever. And the show would not take the time and care to repair anything. See: Michael/Sonny/AJ.

 

4 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

You're making it sound like he's being unreasonable. I don't really think it's ridiculous for someone to want his friends and family to actually believe him that he is who he says he is. He wasn't mean to Robin. He didn't yell at her. Unlike Dian (who deserved it IMO) he didn't tell her to go to hell. He just wants her to believe him.

No, I'm not saying he's unreasonable. She doesn't believe him, though. She feels that OG is OG. That doesn't make her cruel or mean or an asshole either. She still appreciates all he's done. But she now has to face the facts herself and in her heart OG is Jason. It's a tough spot they're all in.

 

10 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Everyone does not equal Sonny and Carly. I'm fine with Jason cutting them out of his life.

And I don't care if he does either. Doesn't mean it's not OOC for him to do so.

[Oracle42]

15 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

But, in regards to this storyline, it already makes them look like idiots because they believed BM was Jason for years - and despite the retcons that Carly, Diane, etc deep down didn't believe he was - and only now are figuring out he might not be the real one. 

Well, not really. In the absence of more information it makes sense to assume that the guy with Jason's DNA is Jason. What has been kind of idiotic to me, has been Jason Miller stomping around insisting that the guy who looks like Jason and talks like Jason and acts like Jason and says and does the things that Jason would do and say - isn't Jason. 

But I think it was also easier to accept BM's completely different Jason because Jason suffered brain damage and became a completely different person once before. It's not unprecedented with him. 

15 hours ago, ulkis said:

I think BM being Drew makes Sam look a lot savvier.

Falling in love with the new guy who put her first, even if she did think he was, but then picking him after all, makes her look like she's wised up. If BM turns out to be Jason, yeah he chose her . . . it only took a decade of putting his business before her, a death threat, and being in a coma for years before he needed yet another brain surgery, for him to be finally decide he didn't want to be in the mob anymore.

I think that would be the case if TIIC had ever told a story about Sam falling in love with Jason Miller - specifically, falling in love with Jason Miller's differences from Jason Burton. They can still do that, and they should if they're going to keep Sam and Drew together. It also would've helped if everyone hadn't been insisting that Jason Miller was just like Jason Burton up until they ended up in the same room and proved immediately that they were nothing alike. 

Edited November 22, 2017 by Oracle42

[HeatLifer]

16 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

What has been kind of idiotic to me, has been Jason Miller stomping around insisting that the guy who looks like Jason and talks like Jason and acts like Jason and says and does the things that Jason would do and say - isn't Jason. 

This. And I wondered why they didn't at least touch on this in the Robin scenes, but they never give her scenes enough time for depth so it's not shocking. The contrast between OGJason and BMJason's reaction to Robin being skeptical and not believing was glaring. OGJason started listing pivotal movements and memories and remembered exact dialogue he learned from her. Even so, even being sad she was questioning him, he was just fine with her being happy and alive. BMJason very broadly said, "I remember our relationship." Only gave real details of their escape from CC together. 

[jsbt]

So I watched some clips to see Nora from OLTL and poked around. A couple things:

• Why the hell does lame-ass Valentin (it is beyond me that he is still a major lead) care about the Jeromes?
• Their insisting on calling Olivia J. "Liv Jerome" because of Olivia Q. is ridiculous, the viewers are not total invalids
• Have they explained exactly how Robin could have mistaken Victor Jr. Drew/FauxJason for Jason when, IIRC, we were shown Offscreen Jason running around with Robin at Crichton-Clark pre-face damage? She saw his face when we didn't and kept calling him "Jason". Or was Drew identical to Jason and damaged in the crash (again, almost exactly like this total ripoff of the Todd/Victor story from OLTL)?
• What the hell is the plotline with Jessica Tuck? Or the little boy and Joss and Tamara Braun? Why is any of that happening? Who cares?
• What exactly became of Rebecca Budig? Didn't Finn go after her and stuff?
• Is Maxie seriously still with Nathan?
• Why is Priestdoc still on the show?
• Who have they foisted Nina off on lately?
• Is Nelle evil yet?
• Maura West and Roger Howarth still have the most chemistry of any of their scene partners and they've had it since Day 1. It's a pity his character is such a shitshow because for as much as I hate Franco and need Howarth gone the actors are great together.

Edited November 22, 2017 by jsbt

[katie9918]

I’m already over the two Jasons. 

 

And why isn’t Robin at home with her own family instead of slobbering all over the Borg? Doesn’t she know by now that bad shit happens to her every time she has set foot in Port Charles since she, Patrick, and Emma left town?

 

BurtonJason could have gone to her if he wanted to see her. But then he’s always been a self-centered cow, so it wouldn’t have even occurred to him.

[Oracle42]

3 hours ago, jsbt said:

Maura West and Roger Howarth still have the most chemistry of any of their scene partners and they've had it since Day 1. It's a pity his character is such a shitshow because for as much as I hate Franco and need Howarth gone the actors are great together

Instead of this shitshow of a two Jasons story they should have just done two Francos since they're so fuckin' determined to keep RoH - because I cannot and I will not with a rapist murderhobo serial killer. 

I wouldn't mind Scott and Heather's non-Franco son with Ava, they could have been an updated Scott/Lucy (if Lucy had been a former mobster who murdered people) 

[sunnyface]

Has SB Jason been informed that Sonny killed AJ in cold blood?  

[YaddaYadda]

6 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

This. And I wondered why they didn't at least touch on this in the Robin scenes, but they never give her scenes enough time for depth so it's not shocking. The contrast between OGJason and BMJason's reaction to Robin being skeptical and not believing was glaring. OGJason started listing pivotal movements and memories and remembered exact dialogue he learned from her. Even so, even being sad she was questioning him, he was just fine with her being happy and alive. BMJason very broadly said, "I remember our relationship." Only gave real details of their escape from CC together. 

Yeah, but that I think that had more to do with the fact that when they escaped CC, BMJason had SBJason's face, so I take it more as an appeal to her to remember that she saw his original face, that he is Jason. I thought that scene was mostly sad. BMJason is right back where he started when he woke up from his coma.

Also, is it supposed to be ironic that Ava is at the center of what's happening with the Jasons? She ran down BMJason (I'm remembering this correctly, right?) with her car which got him a new face and helped SBJason escape the clinic. They need to stay away from her.

[Cheyanne11]

38 minutes ago, sunnyface said:

Has SB Jason been informed that Sonny killed AJ in cold blood?  

Will it matter if/when he does find out?  I'm gonna go with something like this:

Jason, with a far off look in his eyes: {Shrug} If you say he deserved it, Sonny, he deserved it.

And...scene.

[peachmangosteen]

10 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

They would all just go back to normal like nothing ever happened.

That's exactly what's gonna happen (has already happened basically) when it is revealed for sure that SB is Jason.

3 hours ago, katie9918 said:

I’m already over the two Jasons. 

100%. I'm not even watching and I'm over it!

51 minutes ago, sunnyface said:

Has SB Jason been informed that Sonny killed AJ in cold blood?  

As @Cheyanne11 just said, Jason won't give a shit so it doesn't matter.

[TeeVee329]

5 hours ago, jsbt said:

Have they explained exactly how Robin could have mistaken Victor Jr. Drew/FauxJason for Jason when, IIRC, we were shown Offscreen Jason running around with Robin at Crichton-Clark pre-face damage? She saw his face when we didn't and kept calling him "Jason". Or was Drew identical to Jason and damaged in the crash (again, almost exactly like this total ripoff of the Todd/Victor story from OLTL)?

What exactly became of Rebecca Budig? Didn't [Dr. Michael Easton] go after her and stuff?

I'm not 100% on this, because I too am pretty much over the Tale of Two Jasons, but yes, Drew still had Steve Burton's face when he and Robin were at Crichton-Clark.  He also couldn't speak because his vocal cords had been damaged by being intubated.  But I guess the idea is that Drew had already had Jason's memories implanted at that point, so yeah, it's easy to see why Robin would think he was Jason.  And then getting hit by Ava's car caused the change in appearance and the memory loss.

Dr. Michael Easton stopped looking for Rebecca Budig after she sent him a "lovely" handwritten note telling him that she lost the baby and asking him not look for her anymore.  The audience, however, knows that Rebecca Budig is still pregnant.  And is also going by the alias Madison FORD, because Frank hates us.

10 hours ago, ulkis said:

Don't you want to hear Maxie and Lulu SQUEE about babies? Because these two don't have anything in their history that maybe would make them have a more nuanced reaction to this or anything.

(Speaking of, Sam's "I love my husband" is starting to be the new "I had an abortion.")

I think all 4 of them should have gone to Anna's. Might as well put Anna's giant ass house to use.

If Maxie wants to squee about a baby, maybe she should go see her cousin Robin, who she never sees, and her baby Noah, who she's never met.  GRRRRRR.

Meanwhile, I wouldn't be shocked if Laura and Kevin are absent from Lulu's house because this show doesn't understand anything.

[NutmegsDad]

14 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

23 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Wait, wait.... on yesterday's show.....

* Sonny's Island (*koff*PuertoRico*koff*) is still without power and infrastructure since the recent hurricanes.

 

They actually did say explicitly that they were talking about Puerto Rico and how bad things are there, but -- surprise -- Mo garbled his line. (I rewound it; I was curious.) Then they talked about how his island, which I guess is supposed to be right off PR, is sort of OK because he has a generator at the house and so the staff are OK. I don't remember if he mentioned the casino and other stuff that's supposed to be on his island, because it was a pretty rushed conversation. 

He mentioned that the casino was still closed (unknown if it's infrastructure/damage/power), but he was still paying and providing for the workers while it was still offline. Real Life Counterpart: Workers at TJ Maxx/Marshall/HomeGoods are still getting paid, even though the stores/workplaces are still closed.

What Fresh Hell, Day 2: ALL THREE sons of Liz' are on screen with lines!

So, in order to put Juliexis back together, Nora was persuaded by Valentin to persuade OLiv-iato say she was now sane and remorseful and Julian was not a willing participant. Considering that OLiv-ia's legal strategy was to claim insanity to avoid her crimes, why would, because a PD wouldn't have the skills to keep her in Darkham, she open herself to jail time in Pentonville?

The Jasons have good reason to hate Franco, but BMJason had some fierce dismissal of Franco's advice. Franco should just troll BMJason into warning him not to step into a puddle in the street, only for BMJason to find himself at the bottom of a deep sinkhole.

[fishcakes]

When SBJason was telling Robin that Faison shot him and kicked him into the harbor, it occurred to me that they could just check to see which Jason has a scar on his back from the bullet wound, although then this story would be over. Speaking of which, I know both of their brains have been mixmastered into scar tissue, but wouldn't real Jason have more scars on his body in general? He's been shot, like, 30 times.

Reality also intrudes whenever Ned gets all hand-wringy over how now that there's another Quartermaine, the ELQ shares will have to be redistributed under the terms of Edward's will. Wills don't work that way. Wills get probated and estates settled and that's that. Property doesn't keep changing hands years after someone died just because there was another family member that no one was aware of. (I was similarly annoyed when Valentin somehow ganked the Cassadine assets away from Nikolas.) In particular, Edward's will wouldn't work that way because otherwise the estate would have to be resettled every ten years as soon as another of his illegitimate children/grandchildren pop up.

Franco to BMJason: "You're Jason! You are! You're the real Jason!
Me: Oh, okay, so he's Drew then.

In any case, I don't see how it benefits Franco to keep the secret. If Liz didn't care that he kidnapped Aiden, or helped Nina kidnap Avery, or, you know, ritualistically murdered a bunch of people, she's not going to care that he might have pushed Drew down the stairs when they were 3. And since there are now two guys out there who Liz was in love with, then what does it matter which one of them Sam rejects? He wants everyone to think BMJason is Real Jason so that Sam will stay with him and, what? So Liz won't run to SBJason who she thinks is Drew and therefore has no history with? Why would that stop her? Even if SB were Drew, he thinks he's Jason, he remembers being in love with Liz, and he looks and acts more like Jason than BM does. So I don't see Liz rejecting the person who is exactly like the person she once loved when she was ready to marry a guy she thought was him even though he looked and acted like a completely different guy. Or shorter version: this story is balls.

 

11 hours ago, ulkis said:

(Speaking of, Sam's "I love my husband" is starting to be the new "I had an abortion.")

I would make it: "I love my husband" is the new "I was raped in prison," which was the new "I had an abortion," which was the new, "You killed my baby. You killed my brother."

Edited November 22, 2017 by fishcakes

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

Yeah, but that I think that had more to do with the fact that when they escaped CC, BMJason had SBJason's face, so I take it more as an appeal to her to remember that she saw his original face, that he is Jason. I thought that scene was mostly sad. BMJason is right back where he started when he woke up from his coma.

But his appeal to her didn't make sense because OGJason also has the original face. So wouldn't it make more sense to be convincing in other ways? But I think that was intentional choice. He wasn't going to have the "icing on the cake" moment for a reason. 

 

Robin and BMJason never had a time where they actually bonded about their relationship. When Robin was finally rescued, she was merely told BMJason was Jason. She never formed a friendship or relationship with him before that like Liz, Carly, and Sam as Jake Doe. So every time Robin and BMJason had scenes (which, overall, was not a lot....just during KMc's visits) it was more, "oh hey, how are you?" "Good, I know you're important to me." Or "I'm starting to remember." It was never anything in-depth. Robin has no reason to believe BMJason is Jason in the face of OGJason being back. OGJason behaves and talks and remembers as the person Robin knew for 20 years.

BMJason standing on a bomb, and their handful of other scenes, does not obligate her to pretend that he's really Jason. If BMJason wants to be mad at people not believing, it looks stupid to solely direct it to the person he saw twice a year, if that. Although super interesting that Robin is programmed to be the MVP in all versions of Jason, apparently, lol.

[ulkis]

52 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I would make it: "I love my husband" is the new "I was raped in prison," which was the new "I had an abortion," which was the new, "You killed my baby. You killed my brother."

Who said the last one?

[jsbt]

I like how Carly is already running around town referring to Miller as "Andrew", including to his wife. That takes stones, it just makes me laugh.

Edited November 22, 2017 by jsbt

[jsbt]

On 10/30/2017 at 11:55 AM, TeeVee329 said:

The letter to Oscar's mom postmarked 2003/San Diego...that mean anything to our more knowledgeable GH historians?

Sorry, this is from way back: A.J., maybe? IIRC A.J. left town with Lydia Karenin in 2003. They were scamming the town and having an affair. She was a grifting Eurotrash heiress with old money links to the Cassadines, which could tie back to Jason.

[fishcakes]

26 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Who said the last one?

It was Sam after her baby with Sonny died because Alexis begged her to induce early labor so they could test the baby to see if she could donate bone marrow to Kristina. And then her brother Danny died because there was only one dose of the monkey virus cure and Alexis got it instead of him. So for months, every time Sam spotted Alexis, she would go into a trance and intone, "you killed my baby. You killed my brother." It was really boring.