Episode Discussion: TFGH

[NutmegsDad]

Oh, no no no, Show. I know you so well. I won't fall for this.

You want us to think Hayden was the drunk driver that crippled that girl. We'll find out it's a false memory and that Jared hit her, on orders from Olivia to get money for her surgeries and finance her revenge. And Julian knew about the little girl, even though he thought his big sister was dead.

And Aunt Stella didn't get her first stroke from stress. She ran into Ava way back in the day, bumped into her the wrong way, and started a small blockage which caused her stroke.

Tomorrow: Scotty, Jax, and Valentin lead search parties to find Sonny. The FBI lend logistic support.

Edited August 1, 2017 by NutmegsDad
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[TeeVee329]

1 hour ago, Robin the Hoodie said:

She admitted to hitting a girl and that she would never walk again. Per her ex the child wasn't killed.

Huh, I missed the qualifier.  But my original question remains - am I supposed to feel bad for her that her perfect new life with Dr. Michael Easton is threatened?  Not so much.

[dubbel zout]

54 minutes ago, ulkis said:

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Color me legit surprised that Carly acknowledged that Joss had a right to be angry with Sonny and Joss could stay mad for as long as she needs to.

Of course, she had to follow it up with a "you be mad as long as you want, that's just the way Sonny would want it." Yeah, you know Sonny. He's always so patient when it comes to people being angry at him.

Carly allowed Joss her feelings, though. And she said Joss was right to be mad at him because it was a punk move to get Jax deported. It's nonsense that Sonny wants Joss angry, but at least Carly isn't forcing Joss to forget about her anger just because Sonny is missing for the umpteenth time.

I know that once Sonny is back, Joss will kiss the ring, as will everyone else. But that was inevitable. No one can stay angry with Sonny forever.

1 hour ago, Robin the Hoodie said:

She admitted to hitting a girl and that she would never walk again. Per her ex the child wasn't killed.

That doesn't make driving drunk any less gross and unacceptable.

Edited August 1, 2017 by dubbel zout
fixing the garble

[lor]

when i was watching carly praying and sonny attempting to climb out of the hole i was thinking of the brady bunch christmas movie. i rembered the scene when mike was stuck under the debris.and carols singing miracously gave him the strength to get out.

Sonny should have had an Ebenezer scrooge experience in the hole. Ghosts of his former enemies, dead girlfriends,ghost of AJ, ghosts of former victims and Stone visit.

Then when he's home hes a changed man.

When will someone say Stella!

[TVbitch]

Jesus God, how many weeks has Sonny been in the hole grimmacing, and he just now figured out he could maybe stack some barrels and climb out. Dude is fucking brilliant.  

The mobster prayer circle, just  

[LillyB]

No matter how hard these writers try to whitewash him, they will never convince me that Sonny is a decent human being. His sins are never ending.

 

I hope that I wasn't the only one hoping that he would fall back into that hole with a fatal head injury.

[ciarra]

14 hours ago, backbiter said:

In my mind, Ghost A.J. visits Sonny down in the cask room of Black Duck taunting him until he dies.

During near death experiences, Sonny always conjures up people who will fawn over him, telling him he's wonderful.  "Oh, I've made mistakes."  "Yeah, but you own it, and Deke was bad and you're a great father."  It's never a reality check, so much as a fluffing. 

I see it's too much trouble doing Ava's "burn" makeup already, so we just smear grey creme on her face mask.   Before, it looked like they used a halloween makeup kit bought on Ebay, so I guess the mask is a step up.

[Bringonthedrama]

I've hoped that JJ's Lucky would come back briefly, to talk to Laura and force Liz to think that *maybe* being involved with Franco is a bad choice.  I really wanted it after Hayden - a woman with zero knowledge of the details of Liz's relationship past - chimed in to say Liz being in a 'not normal' relationship is not a problem. Shut UP. But now, having seen (tonight) how much JJ loves performing music, I would be fine with just a Skype call (after Spencer is rescued from kidnapping) where Liz, Lucky and Laura agree that Laura will take the boys for a long visit at his new home in Nashville. He is settled and working there, but misses the boys and wants to see them. (And in the scene, there's a hint that the boys want a vacation from dealing with Franco).  Absentee dad problem - that shouldn't exit - fixed.

[Asp Burger]

They probably were not trying to be funny, but the last two lines of Stone's character bio at GH Wiki crack me up.

On September 29, 2010, Stone returned to help Robin when she was trapped in a well.

On August 1, 2017, Stone returned to help Sonny when he was shot and trapped in a dumpster.

Yeah, that's about right. Robin got the little-girl-in-storybook kind of trapping, and Sonny got a dumpster. If you were not watching, wouldn't you read that and think he was trapped in the boxy green metal thing that sits in an alley? And then wouldn't you wish you had seen it? 

Also, I wonder how newer and unspoiled viewers reacted to Sutton's first appearance today. There was no "Stone? Is that you?" and it took a while for it to be clarified. He was so briefly glimpsed in dark lighting in the first segment that he looked like Johnny Zacchara.  

Edited August 2, 2017 by Asp Burger

[P3pp3rb1rd]

2 hours ago, LillyB said:

No matter how hard these writers try to whitewash him, they will never convince me that Sonny is a decent human being. His sins are never ending.

Sonny apparently is a cradle Catholic--like the Godfather protagonists--and realizes he is a sinner and that mercy can be requested from the Lord. In the hole during this crisis, he repeated correctly the Catholic pleas for forgiveness in the Confessional said to the priest (although the priest is missing in Sonny's situation); He also  said the Lord's prayer in the older Catholic version. I think the show was trying to illustrate that Sonny was using Catholic procedures for getting his sins forgiven and making  a good act of contrition when in danger of death. Catholics believe that the worst sinners can be saved if they repent on the doorstep of death. So he was showing faith and hope when he said his prayers. Yes Sonny is a very hardened sinner, but he's making an effort to appeal for a total escape from all the consequences.

[stlbf]

44 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Sonny apparently is a cradle Catholic--like the Godfather protagonists--and realizes he is a sinner and that mercy can be requested from the Lord. In the hole during this crisis, he repeated correctly the Catholic pleas for forgiveness in the Confessional said to the priest (although the priest is missing in Sonny's situation); He also  said the Lord's prayer in the older Catholic version. I think the show was trying to illustrate that Sonny was using Catholic procedures for getting his sins forgiven and making  a good act of contrition when in danger of death. Catholics believe that the worst sinners can be saved if they repent on the doorstep of death. So he was showing faith and hope when he said his prayers. Yes Sonny is a very hardened sinner, but he's making an effort to appeal for a total escape from all the consequences.

Bullshit. Even in mob heavy areas of Italy, the Church is excommunicating mobsters. Handing over blood money is no longer acceptable for penance. You can't just go to a priest for absolution if you aren't going to stop your immoral actions. And for modern tv shows not to understand that is ludicrous. It ain't that hard to find a Catholic church in LA. I'm sure that any priest or deacon would be happy to explain to the hacks/producers/interns/whoever  that the real modern Catholic church doesn't condone victims(which Sonny most assuredly is not) not getting justice. And that self proclaimed criminal kingpins should be brought to justice. The Church just isn't a believer in the death penalty. The prayer circle was Waaaaaay over the top. Especially to have Carly, who has never shown any type religious belief in her life. It was ridiculous. 

 

And yes. Ava's "burn injury" is just pathetic and insulting. I've had worse sunburns. Why bother if you aren't going to go long haul and do the storyline justice? They've given Ava cancer and now this crap injury.

 

So we are supposed to feel sorry for HayChel? How? In what universe would anyone EVER FEEL SORRY FOR HER? Granted, this is a universe that has friendly ghosts cheering on Sonny. And had Luke drive drunk, hit/kill a child (his "grandson"), confess to it, and was never charged.

[NutmegsDad]

Tracy's Near-Death Experience: A trial on her various misdeeds against her father, prosecuted by Diane, defended by Scotty, and judged by Sonny.

Sonny's Near-Death Experience: Invoking all of his spawn, a one-sided conversation with the Almighty, and Stone imploring Sonny not to die.

*pause*

Fuck you, Show. Fuck  You.

12 hours ago, lor said:

Sonny should have had an Ebenezer scrooge experience in the hole. Ghosts of his former enemies, dead girlfriends,ghost of AJ, ghosts of former victims and Stone visit.

Then when he's home hes a changed man.

Like.... Tracy.

[CompltelySweet]

4 hours ago, stlbf said:

So we are supposed to feel sorry for HayChel? How? In what universe would anyone EVER FEEL SORRY FOR HER? Granted, this is a universe that has friendly ghosts cheering on Sonny. And had Luke drive drunk, hit/kill a child (his "grandson"), confess to it, and was never charged.

No, good ol'boy Luke just went back to drinking. None of these stories go anywhere...I could handle the chickens-coming-home-to-roost with Rachel and Jared, if I had a grasp of this chick as a character.  Rachel-to-Hayden went from drunk driving, to the Berlin scandal, to pretending to be Jake Doe's wife for money, to a Cassadine wife, to Fin's quirky soulmate...and I still forget about her whenever I think of the show. She's a finance person; she couldn't have been in a story with the Quartermaines? Michael? RB has a ton of screen presence, she's an experienced actress, you can get her to do what the scene needs, as far as the ppl who write it are concerned. They spent her entire tenure jerking her around, kinda like Sam for a while, but KM weathered the storm and RB didn't. And so now the story lacks punch, imo. 

I don't even mind ghost cheerleeding so much if it made an iota of difference to Sonny once he got out of the whole. Just make one small change, and stick to it, and show me how that changes other things, other relationships. 

[Asp Burger]

I "feel sorry" for the character of Hayden, but maybe not in exactly the way that's meant. The whole thing with the ex-husband and the drunk driving seems a combination of implausible, pointless, and needlessly heavy-handed, like Budig isn't useful anymore, so why not assassinate the character they were trying so hard to make happen just a couple months ago. Everyone knows she is leaving, so all they need to do is find a way to have her not end up happily married to Finn and having their child. Was this level of complication necessary? They had to make her a kid-crippler who let someone else take the fall? 

Others have already noted that this huge scandal Obrecht was able to dig up in about three minutes of screen time apparently eluded everyone covering what GH has made out to be the high-finance scandal of the 21st century. I mean, my God, everyone on the show with a speaking part was all, "Hayden is Rachel Berlin? The daughter of Raymond Berlin, who blah blah blah and is rumored to have blah blah blah missing diamonds," and the FBI was involved in it, and all of this stayed under wraps until now? 

Also, how the hell did the husband "say he was driving" and have this believed by law enforcement at the time? He said something about her drinking a lot at the country club and tearing off in her red Porsche, which doesn't make it sound as though he was in Hayden's passenger seat. Did he follow her in his own car and switch places with her after the accident? Did she call him from the accident scene and persuade him to get there ahead of police and EMS? Would that mean they took two cars to the country club as a married couple? Never mind, we'll pretend for the sake of argument they were in the same car. She "tore off"...so we're supposed to believe she was driving really fast at the time of impact, but she wasn't injured even a little bit? Not even airbag trauma? Was the husband liquored up as well, and thus able to have a detectable blood alcohol level when tested, and thus able to be sentenced for drunk driving? Because if he were completely sober or even under the limit, I'm not sure that would result in a jail sentence.  Certainly not a six-year one.  

It's all quite stupid. But other characters on this show have driven drunk and we were still supposed to "like" them, though not think they were right to do so. Alexis very recently. Luke. Gia. AJ (well...that one is complicated, because I'm not sure at what point the show's writers decided AJ was the goat of all time. He was not yet fat at the time, though).  

As usual, no matter how bad I think the material is, I cannot fault Rebecca Budig. She did a good job in the scenes with the husband (that actor was no more than adequate, IMO) and then weeping on the floor.  

[lor]

haydens story.will be retconned to say helena somehow.switched out the girl and the real one is frozen on cassadine island. Then she will be someone's long lost child .

[tveyeonyou]

14 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Oh, no no no, Show. I know you so well. I won't fall for this.

You want us to think Hayden was the drunk driver that crippled that girl. We'll find out it's a false memory and that Jared hit her, on orders from Olivia to get money for her surgeries and finance her revenge. And Julian knew about the little girl, even though he thought his big sister was dead.

And Aunt Stella didn't get her first stroke from stress. She ran into Ava way back in the day, bumped into her the wrong way, and started a small blockage which caused her stroke.

Tomorrow: Scotty, Jax, and Valentin lead search parties to find Sonny. The FBI lend logistic support.

^^^^ A thing of beauty and so sadly possible on TFGH.

Julian could literally haul Sonny out of that hole with Ava standing by holding a warm blanket and a bottle of scotch and it'll still be their fault.

 

9 hours ago, LillyB said:

No matter how hard these writers try to whitewash him, they will never convince me that Sonny is a decent human being. His sins are never ending.

 

I hope that I wasn't the only one hoping that he would fall back into that hole with a fatal head injury.

You're not alone (RIP Sabrina. Sorry, couldn't help it lol). But seriously, I was yelling at the barrels to please topple over, then I felt bad for wishing someone would get hurt but it only lasted for a second because, Sonny.

27 minutes ago, CompltelySweet said:

No, good ol'boy Luke just went back to drinking. None of these stories go anywhere...I could handle the chickens-coming-home-to-roost with Rachel and Jared, if I had a grasp of this chick as a character.  Rachel-to-Hayden went from drunk driving, to the Berlin scandal, to pretending to be Jake Doe's wife for money, to a Cassadine wife, to Fin's quirky soulmate...and I still forget about her whenever I think of the show. She's a finance person; she couldn't have been in a story with the Quartermaines? Michael? RB has a ton of screen presence, she's an experienced actress, you can get her to do what the scene needs, as far as the ppl who write it are concerned. They spent her entire tenure jerking her around, kinda like Sam for a while, but KM weathered the storm and RB didn't. And so now the story lacks punch, imo. 

I don't even mind ghost cheerleeding so much if it made an iota of difference to Sonny once he got out of the whole. Just make one small change, and stick to it, and show me how that changes other things, other relationships. 

Exactly this. TBH, I forgot about Jake Doe's Fake Wife and I also forgot she was married to Nickolas. Add to the list Liz's sister. I can picture stupid writers throwing darts at a dart board filled with stupid plot lines, "now she's a fake wife, now she's Liz's sister...".

[Cheyanne11]

Why didn't Sonny ask Stone how he aged 20 years if he's in ~heaven?  Shouldn't he still look 20?  J/K

When Sonny asked him about Morgan I so wanted him to say "ya know, funny thing: haven't run into him, haven't heard from anyone he's up here with us?  I'm thinking maybe..."  Also, L-O-freakin-L that Sonny thinks he wouldn't be cast into one of the seven circles of Hell if he died and rather enjoy an angelic, happy afterlife.  Screw you, show--he's a murderer.

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I could handle the chickens-coming-home-to-roost with Rachel and Jared, if I had a grasp of this chick as a character.  Rachel-to-Hayden went from drunk driving, to the Berlin scandal, to pretending to be Jake Doe's wife for money, to a Cassadine wife, to Fin's quirky soulmate...and I still forget about her whenever I think of the show. She's a finance person; she couldn't have been in a story with the Quartermaines? Michael? RB has a ton of screen presence, she's an experienced actress, you can get her to do what the scene needs, as far as the ppl who write it are concerned. They spent her entire tenure jerking her around, kinda like Sam for a while, but KM weathered the storm and RB didn't. And so now the story lacks punch, imo. 

This is where I'm at.  Do I feel sorry for Hayden's current predicament?  No, but it's not because I'm horrified at it, rather the show is just jamming crap in there now to move forward with the character's exit.  As usual, it's un-nuanced writing.

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Yes Sonny is a very hardened sinner, but he's making an effort to appeal for a total escape from all the consequences.

Ha, no. Sonny does this every time he's in a near-death situation and then promptly returns to his illegal mobster doings. If he were truly repentant, he'd have gotten out of the mob ages ago. He's said more than once he can't leave behind the power.

[movingtargetgal]

1 hour ago, tveyeonyou said:

Exactly this. TBH, I forgot about Jake Doe's Fake Wife and I also forgot she was married to Nickolas. Add to the list Liz's sister. I can picture stupid writers throwing darts at a dart board filled with stupid plot lines, "now she's a fake wife, now she's Liz's sister...".

I think there is a "Wheel of Absurdity" that the writers take turn spinning and whatever they land on they write it into the "plot".  I guess RB is lucky the wheel never landed on "Hayden is not really Hayden.  She is really an alien porn star who is masquerading as Hayden/Rachel.  The alien has come to earth to take over Sonny's territory and Port Charles will never be the same.". 

[amaranta]

I did like seeing Michael Sutton again; he was looking well.  I know he's basically out of the business but I wouldn't mind a doppelganger role, perhaps something short term to facilitate someone's exit story down the line.  And he does look a little like Johnny Z / BB.

The scenes themselves were, well, not good.  I could practically see MB's wheels turning: "Emmy reel!"

Dom took a page from the MB school of acting today when questioning Garvey. "I'm going to be intense and threatening.  I must bug out my eyes!"

Edited August 2, 2017 by amaranta

[HipOldBat]

13 hours ago, Asp Burger said:

 

On August 1, 2017, Stone returned to help Sonny when he was shot and trapped in a dumpster.

 

"Trapped in a dumpster" would be a fitting and hilarious end for Sonny.  If only...

I wish MB would retire/go mess up another show/just go away.  He's done more to screw up laypeoples' understanding of bipolar disorder than just about anyone I can think of, besides that prat who played Morgan.  Plus, he chews the scenery constantly.

I know, I'm an old bat, but I miss having TFGH be about THE HOSPITAL and extramarital affairs etc., instead the mob stuff.  Heck, I'd even settle for Olivia's "psychic visions" in lieu of mob violence - at least those were funny because she was so over-the-top hysterical.  Sigh.

[ulkis]

Finn talking with Tracy leaves a bad taste in my mouth. "Sure, we fired Budig, but here's a reminder that Finn had this other really good friendship, so he's totally worth keeping, even though the only other decent thing about him is about to leave!"

Okay, maybe that's a bit conspiracy theorist, but while I have no love for Budig, it annoys me that she was let go over Easton.

[Linny]

Chad Duell must have drawn the short straw to be relegated to the shirtless man of the day. He looked much more comfortable once he'd gotten a shirt buttoned up as high as it possibly could go. I hate that he's going to kill Joss' excitement over her necklace, because I'm enjoying her and Oscar.

If I were Finn's dead wife, I'd come haunt his ass for burning the relics of our marriage. That's so disrespectful to her memory. He's certainly allowed to move on, but literally destroying a tangible part of his past is a mistake, IMO. I hope Roxy had a fire extinguisher at the ready to clean up after this dumbass. 

I want to press fast forward on this Hayden stuff. Way too much time is being spent on these last minute revisions of her past. Just ship her out the door already.

Sam, waking up and looking around the room: "Where am I?" General Hospital, or as I like to call it, hell. 

[dubbel zout]

LOL at both Griffin and more-than-day-player-nurse giving Finn the thumb's up on the engagement ring.

1 minute ago, ulkis said:

Finn talking with Tracy leaves a bad taste in my mouth. "Sure, we fired Budig, but here's a reminder that Finn had this other really good friendship, so he's totally worth keeping, even though the only other decent thing about him is about to leave!"

Aw, I like that Tracy was somehow involved in Finn getting it. At least they remember those two are friends. But a ring from Tiffany & Co.? NTTAWWT, but Tracy strikes me as more of a Cartier type. I suppose the Tiffany bag is instantly identifiable, and that was the point. (Side note: I wonder if Tiffany knows about that? I can't see it actively wanting product placement on GH.)

[ulkis]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL at both Griffin and more-than-day-player-nurse giving Finn the thumb's up on the engagement ring.

Aw, I like that Tracy was somehow involved in Finn getting it. At least they remember those two are friends. But a ring from Tiffany & Co.? NTTAWWT, but Tracy strikes me as more of a Cartier type. I suppose the Tiffany bag is instantly identifiable, and that was the point. (Side note: I wonder if Tiffany knows about that? I can't see it actively wanting product placement on GH.)

I didn't know what it was about, all I heard him say was Tracy and then I got irritated lol. Maybe I'll like it when I see the whole scene.

[TeeVee329]

I'm with ulkis, it felt like they wanted to remind us of that friendship with Tracy just to get us to keep giving a damn about him because, this new friendship they seem to be trying to build with Griffin aside, he's got no other ties.

[dubbel zout]

Joss, you can have more than one feeling about Sonny, and they can be contradictory. But news flash: Sonny is a total criminal. Don't be fooled. His motives when he's kind and generous are because it behooves him to act that way, not because he's genuinely kind and generous. At least not anymore.

Joss doesn't know what a bullet casing is? I call shenanigans.

37 minutes ago, Linny said:

Sam, waking up and looking around the room: "Where am I?" General Hospital, or as I like to call it, hell. 

She's been there often enough it should look familiar. Plus, she's in a hospital gown and there's a ton of medical equipment nearby. Where else could she be? She should have asked, "Why am I at GH?"

It's so stupid that Hayden won't tell Finn she's being blackmailed. They both know they have pasts. Ugh, I hate this idiotic plot-point writing. Mr. Hayden Barnes is starting to bore me. Put the screws into Hayden and make her pay, or GTFO.

19 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I'm with ulkis, it felt like they wanted to remind us of that friendship with Tracy just to get us to keep giving a damn about him because, this new friendship they seem to be trying to build with Griffin aside, he's got no other ties.

I like that Tracy isn't forgotten just because JE is off the show. And despite my weakness for Michael Easton, Finn is a terrible character. I'm not completely blinded by his dry humor and blue eyes. Hee.

Wow, it took forever for Michael to get dressed, and that was with Nelle helping him button his shirt.

Edited August 2, 2017 by dubbel zout

[ulkis]

This is how yesterday's prayer circle should/would have gone:

CARLY: okay guys, let's form the circle.

(Nelle comes forward)

CARLY: not you, bitch! If you think I'm gonna have you stinking up my prayer circle, you're crazy. If you want to pray for something, why don't you go and git down on your knees and pray for forgiveness for stripping and drugging MY husband, you little tramp! I can't believe you even have the nerve to come into his house after what you did to him! Michael, how can you bring her here?

(Carly turns around. Everyone has left.)

[Perkie]

54 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

more-than-day-player-nurse

Deeanna

30 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Joss doesn't know what a bullet casing is? I call shenanigans.

Right?  I thought the same thing when Oscar didn't recognize what it was.  I've never seen a bullet in real life but I'm pretty sure I would know what it was if I came across it.  

 

32 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Mr. Hayden Barnes is starting to bore me. Put the screws into Hayden and make her pay, or GTFO.

When he said he had a solution, before he said he wanted her to embezzzle from GH, I thought he was going to say that he wanted to sleep with her in exchange for his silence.  That's what this show has reduced me to thinking of.  

[TeeVee329]

30 minutes ago, Perkie said:

When he said he had a solution, before he said he wanted her to embezzzle from GH, I thought he was going to say that he wanted to sleep with her in exchange for his silence.  That's what this show has reduced me to thinking of.  

That'd be fittingly full circle, given how Rebecca Budig (the character) started out on the show, letting Nikolas use nature's credit card to pay her off.

[ulkis]

Why was Nelle telling Michael he wanted the cup of coffee in the same voice you'd use to a 5 year old? And did they use the same neon to dye their hair? And someone else please tell me they hear the way CL smacks her lips before every other sentence, cause it's bugging me.

previews: I wonder if Mo realized lying on his arm like that gave him derp face.

[ciarra]

6 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Why didn't Sonny ask Stone how he aged 20 years if he's in ~heaven?  Shouldn't he still look 20?

There's a barber in heaven, too.  Gone are the long locks.

eta, Amusing how Hayden neither knew nor cared that Spencer was kidnapped. 

Edited August 2, 2017 by ciarra

[dubbel zout]

41 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

When he said he had a solution, before he said he wanted her to embezzzle from GH, I thought he was going to say that he wanted to sleep with her in exchange for his silence.  That's what this show has reduced me to thinking of.  

That'd be fittingly full circle, given how Rebecca Budig (the character) started out on the show, letting Nikolas use nature's credit card to pay her off.

I thought the exact same thing. Ugh, I hate this fakakta show.

[TeeVee329]

Previews...OMG, WILL THEY BLOW UP THE SITE WITH SONNY INSIDE?!?!?!

#alltheeyerolls

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, Perkie said:

When he said he had a solution, before he said he wanted her to embezzzle from GH, I thought he was going to say that he wanted to sleep with her in exchange for his silence.  That's what this show has reduced me to thinking of.  

I thought this, too.

I kinda enjoy ex-husband though. He's funny.

ReBu looked so horrible today. 

I like Oscar. The actor is fairly decent and he has a nice warmth to him. 

[dubbel zout]

I couldn't stop laughing when I heard the "Get ready to blow her up!" or whatever it was, and there's Sonny, semiconscious. Why do they even bother with this nonsense? There's no chance Sonny will die. Unfortunately.

1 minute ago, peachmangosteen said:

I like Oscar. The actor is fairly decent and he has a nice warmth to him. 

He's settling in nicely. He's being written pretty well, considering. I believe he's a teenage boy.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 2:51 PM, Blackie said:

On ‎8‎/‎1‎/‎2017 at 2:09 PM, Linny said:

Wow, they pulled out all the stops today to convince us of Sonny's decency. I'm embarrassed by how overboard they went with it

I SERIOUSLY don't get what the writers of this show are thinking.

I think the writers are assuming we all saw the Godfather trilogy and are drawing a parallel between Sonny and Michael Corleone. Michael also said he tries to get out of the mob, but that life "pulls him back in".  He promises his wife he is going to be legit one day, and he seems to try, but always succumbs to some extent. Is he a recidivist, or does he have a real choice to stay out? We never know definitively with Michael C (he falls off his throne, a small stool, and the dogs lick at him at the end of his life), and I think it's ambiguous for Sonny too. The seesaw between good and evil is dramatic for both characters. In spiritual terms, God and the devil are competing for the soul of Michael Corleone, and I think our writers are trying to set up the same tension for Sonny in GH. The writers "broke the fourth wall"  today when a character (Joss?) was saying that some people see Sonny as Teh Evul while others see him as saintly and good (the writers commenting on the GH audience members who hate and distrust Sonny, opposed to his Facebook fans, and others, who see him as a hero and saint). 

Another level, the spiritual/religious one, is being presented and explored for Sonny too. Sonny is bargaining with God for his soul while in the pit, and the devil is the prosecuting attorney. The writers may be showing that Sonny has a deeply buried vein of religious belief and trust in the Lord so that he can be forgiven under the merciful power of God. If he is forgiven and returns to his evil ways, we in the audience may be disgusted and condemn him, but the Lord will remain open and forgiving. If Sonny had really decided to reform totally, he would have accepted Ghost!Stone's invitation to leave together for Heaven. Sonny chose to remain on earth because he is still tempted by his old life, and has not totally reformed yet. He is justifying that stance by talking about his children and legacy, among other things. As soon as he Sonny returns to his daily life to see about them and his many business deals, he is likely to fall again during the Everyman struggle for his soul.    The writers are, I think, trying to reduce all the acts of Sonny's life to this dramatic spiritual struggle. As with Michael Corleone and Everyman, the protagonist in the medieval morality play, every human life reduces to a struggle between Good  (aka God) and evil.                                                     

[Oracle42]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

nature's credit card

That is the best thing I've seen all day

[TVbitch]

Is Piph gone, cuz if not, why not give her those couple lines about the ring? Oh wait, no, I forgot, they are trying to fill the screen with the most people possible that we do know or give a shit about. 

So, Finn and Griffin are bros now. Sorry show, 2 x 0 is still 0.  Just like Dante and Nathan, their entire friendship consists of solemnly telling each other they need to go home and get some rest. 

[Melgaypet]

2 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I think the writers are assuming we all saw the Godfather trilogy and are drawing a parallel between Sonny and Michael Corleone.

You'd think they'd want to avoid comparisons to quality art.

[rur]

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

 He promises his wife he is going to be legit one day, and he seems to try, but always succumbs to some extent. Is he a recidivist, or does he have a real choice to stay out?

Except Michael Corleone does lose -- his daughter is killed, and since he's alone at the end, we can pretty much assume that he's estranged from anyone still alive who would care about him. Has Sonny ever lost? 

[Lobsel Vith]

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I think the writers are assuming we all saw the Godfather trilogy and are drawing a parallel between Sonny and Michael Corleone. Michael also said he tries to get out of the mob, but that life "pulls him back in".  He promises his wife he is going to be legit one day, and he seems to try, but always succumbs to some extent. Is he a recidivist, or does he have a real choice to stay out?

I'd see the first two firms as more apt - he got into the mob at a young age, but becomes so repugnant once he seizes power that he's willing to kill anyone to keep it (i.e. when he ordered a hit on Jason during the Soily Saga) and has no problem physically harming a woman like MC did in the second film (i.e. Faith, Ava, ect).

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

The writers "broke the fourth wall"  today when a character (Joss?) was saying that some people see Sonny as Teh Evul while others see him as saintly and good (the writers commenting on the GH audience members who hate and distrust Sonny, opposed to his Facebook fans, and others, who see him as a hero and saint). 

Hardly anyone is allowed to dislike Sonny anymore, though, so I can't imagine why she'd say that. Monica isn't allowed to hate Sonny for killing AJ, Joss isn't allowed to hate Sonny permanently for trying to murder Jax a few years back or for what he presently did, and Jason doesn't seem to care that AJ was murdered at Sonny's hands. Kristina isn't allowed to criticize her father anymore. There's no balance on this show for her to make such a statement. What's bizarre is that I can't imagine anyone with a semblance of intelligence thinking that appealing to only a single fanbase will somehow keep this show afloat.

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Another level, the spiritual/religious one, is being presented and explored for Sonny too. Sonny is bargaining with God for his soul while in the pit, and the devil is the prosecuting attorney. The writers may be showing that Sonny has a deeply buried vein of religious belief and trust in the Lord so that he can be forgiven under the merciful power of God.                                            

As much as I hate to say this, even Guza had Sonny admit that he knew he was going to hell (although, to be fair, I doubt he would have had Jason say anything like that since he's the Holy Hitman and is the greatest person ever, per the Good Book of Guza). The idea that TIIC would frame Sonny as thinking that he gets a pass for a half-assed apology to God to exempt him for acting like a sub-human for decades simply because he thinks he's going to die as anything but abhorrent is the entire issue with this show as a whole. Sonny is a bad guy; his business pretty much means innocent people die in order for him to stay in power. It was even made explicit during the Sandoval hit that there could be no witnesses (which only became an issue when SWSNBN was at the Metro-Court). Dante is another example of Sonny and Jason being willing to kill someone who isn't evil (when they simply knew he was an undercover cop - and yes, I know some Sonny fans thought that alone was justification). That the writers aren't seriously tackling the simple issue of Sonny being in a business that gets innocent people killed, and instead act like Sonny is some misunderstood saint who gets a pass for halfhearted b.s., shows that these writers don't know what the hell they're doing.

In short, the writing is awful, and the one-sided depiction of Sonny is just as obscene.

[dubbel zout]

Has Sonny ever lost?

He's left some bodies in his wake: Lily, their baby, Connie, Morgan. But the emphasis is how those deaths affect him, because it's always all about Sonny.

4 minutes ago, Lobsel Vith said:

  3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

The writers "broke the fourth wall"  today when a character (Joss?) was saying that some people see Sonny as Teh Evul while others see him as saintly and good (the writers commenting on the GH audience members who hate and distrust Sonny, opposed to his Facebook fans, and others, who see him as a hero and saint). 

That's closer to lampshading than breaking the fourth wall. 

Edited August 3, 2017 by dubbel zout

[stlbf]

26 minutes ago, rur said:

Except Michael Corleone does lose -- his daughter is killed, and since he's alone at the end, we can pretty much assume that he's estranged from anyone still alive who would care about him. Has Sonny ever lost? 

Nope. Not really. Michael was upset with Sonny for murdering AJ for about a year. But now we're back to Michael Corinthos Jr. Sonny did spend a few weeks in prison for crimes. But he escaped(to save Michael!) And threw a bomb off a boat. While the faux governor's daughter was on board. Which somehow made it cool to pardon Sonny for murder.

So, I really can't remember a time where Sonny ever really lost.

Maybe you can call his failed hit out on Jagger and Karen a loss?

[Oracle42]

He usually lost to Jason 

[stlbf]

42 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

He usually lost to Jason

[tveyeonyou]

17 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

LOL at both Griffin and more-than-day-player-nurse giving Finn the thumb's up on the engagement ring.

Aw, I like that Tracy was somehow involved in Finn getting it. At least they remember those two are friends. But a ring from Tiffany & Co.? NTTAWWT, but Tracy strikes me as more of a Cartier type. I suppose the Tiffany bag is instantly identifiable, and that was the point. (Side note: I wonder if Tiffany knows about that? I can't see it actively wanting product placement on GH.)

I have to admit I kinda liked the Tracy phone call, although I'd much rather have Tracy on the show.

I saw the Tiffany blue bag but I thought the bag said "Wyndems" (I totally screwed up the spelling) but you know, that fancy dancy store in PC that the rich people shop at. Wasn't that the same store Luke and Laura were locked in overnight a trillion years ago?

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

I saw the Tiffany blue bag but I thought the bag said "Wyndems" (I totally screwed up the spelling) but you know, that fancy dancy store in PC that the rich people shop at. Wasn't that the same store Luke and Laura were locked in overnight a trillion years ago?

Now that you mention it, I think Finn did say something about it. I'm surprised (but not) the show went so blatant with the blue bag, because that's copyrighted. I'm sure it would be argued that it wasn't exactly the same shade of robin's-egg blue, but gross, Show.

[Sake614]

The bag was from Wyndham's. Finn said that the owner owed Tracy because she caught him doing something he shouldn't have...

[stlbf]

Well, Sonny did get lost in Jason's eyes.