Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Tomorrow: Sonny threatens Dr. Carrrlos. Whom he knows nothing about. Typical idiot Sonny.

And it appears that Bobbie meets Nelle.  Keep raining down the anvils, Show, as long as it leads to Nelle dismantling Carly's life.

[coffee drinker]

On 6/9/2016 at 1:59 PM, LexieLily said:

This post needs to be deleted.  It was the wrong quote.  

Edited August 31, 2016 by coffee drinker

[P3pp3rb1rd]

3 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

I don't love Alexis apparently cracking up because wimmins be crazy, I guess.

I agree that it doesn't make sense for Alexis to be so stressed about testifying against Julian. He nearly killed her, and she is also an attorney with years of experience at trials. It should be Julian who is having the hallucinations of fear about what Alexis will say.

[ulkis]

Oooh, please let Bobbie give Nelle a "but shucks girl it sucks you slept with that man married to some relative of mine, but we're Spencers and we go for what we want! High five!" speech.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Ava had better put her evidence against Paul into a safe deposit box. He would have no regrets about killing her at the first opportunity if he feels he could get the evidence back from her possession.

[TeeVee329]

10 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Oooh, please let Bobbie give Nelle a "but shucks girl it sucks you slept with that man married to some relative of mine, but we're Spencers and we go for what we want! High five!" speech.

This reminds me that I still kinda want Nelle and Valerie to meet and have a, "Do I know you from somewhere?" moment.

[Fellaway]

"A" and "2"?  Good glory, these writers can't even maintain consistency within one sentence.

Yes, Griffin, yes,  You make sure the lab rushes those tests through and takes extra care with them, because Elizabeth's special.  She's earned "points".  Certainly better than the regular riffraff you call patients.  Now about those points she's earned?  Come again now?  Was that when she was hiding the identity of Jakeson from his mom, Monica, et al?  Or maybe when she was covering up that trifling old murder attempt?  What game are we playing now that this earns you points?

I am getting tired of the writers singling Jake out.  They couldn't mix it up a bit and have Cam or Aidan be on the sleepover, while the other two are with Grams?  Maybe Grams pushed Elizabeth down the stairs. She's got to be tired of taking care of those boys by now.

Way to go, Griffin, taking that hypo to the lab for testing instead of, oh, I don't know, preserving the chain of custody and handing it over to the police.  It's not like Jordan was in the building or anything.  Oh, wait...

I enjoyed the scene between Paul and Ava, because I like both, and I'm perfectly happy with Paul, Ava, and Julian coming to some unholy alliance so that all three get away with murder.  Unless and until Sonny pays for his crimes, I'm giving everyone else a free pass.  That said, the scene was kind of stupid.  Perhaps, Ava, you should've secured the evidence somewhere before meeting with Paul?  What was to keep him from grabbing the stuff and making off with it, or, hey, calling the police and saying he's got you red-handed with the murder weapon in your hands and your fingerprints all over it?  Oh, yeah, stupid writers, that's what.

Edited August 31, 2016 by Fellaway

[Oracle42]

So, today's episode featured:  Monica, Finn, Paul, Griffin, Liz (who was unconscious for half the episode) Julian, Jordan, Franco, Ava, Alexis, Tracy and Hayden?

Would a lapsed viewer even realize this was GH if they turned it on?

Edited August 31, 2016 by Oracle42

[stlbf]

2 hours ago, tvfanatic13 said:

Random thought re Monday's episode. Did Lante's house go from air mattress with nothing else, to fully furnished and stocked, literally overnight?  

I was thinking that Sonny had the sellers throw in the furniture package to sweeten the deal for Dante and Lulu.

[TeeVee329]

9 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

I am getting tired of the writers singling Jake out.  They couldn't mix it up a bit and have Cam or Aidan be on the sleepover, while the other two are with Grams?  Maybe Grams pushed Elizabeth down the stairs. She's got to be tired of taking care of those boys by now.

Good catch, yeah, what was the point of singling Jake out as being on a sleepover?

ETA...oh I know why.  Jake's probably sleeping over at Jason's so there'll be some plot point involving him tomorrow or Friday.  Still, free Cam and Aiden and let poor Audrey take a night off!

Edited August 31, 2016 by TeeVee329

[Oracle42]

Probably to avoid awkward issues regarding his presence and Liz's absence at the wedding

[ulkis]

I don't know whether de Vry was going for creepy or romantic, but I don't think he knew what he was supposed to play either.

Nice to see Alexis and Tracy interact a bit.

If everyone loves Liz so much, could they have had Epiphany there at least? Even Felix! Sabrina, Bobbie, Lucas, Brad, somebody. Watching only Franco stand vigil was depressing. But then, they couldn't even get extras to walk around in the halls. Did everyone leave as soon as the lights went out.

Did Hayden say why she really kept the diamonds? I missed it.

[lovelynn]

What was the point of Paul trying to take Monica out? I'm trying really hard to understand what possible motive he has to kill any of his victims but this story has been poorly executed. It seems like this is just a way to get Julian out of prison.

I wish they would stop mentioning Liz's boys. Selective aging of soap kids drives me crazy. Based on Joss and Molly's ages, Cam and Jake should be teens able to stay home and watch Aiden. Gram is way past the age where she would want to watch the boys as much as she does. At least let Steven Lars out of prison and have Uncle Steve be default babysitter - he can go back to Olivia and they can have a magical off screen romance. Or for that matter why doesn't Sarah check in with Liz? Liz has been through a lot, she could fly in occasionally - or at least send some flowers (I'm not saying flowers should be there yet - no reason for her to know of the tumble - not like Gram would call Sarah to tell her). All of this to say, why are they giving Liz another sister - they don't seem to care about the one she has. Will Sarah show up to meet her half-sister? Not likely.

Alexis/Tracy scenes were nice.

[YaddaYadda]

19 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Thanks, Fellaway!  If Paul goes after people by injecting them, then him shoving her down the stairs does not fit.  Seeing as how Elizabeth is a nurse, a  legacy character - granddaughter of Steve and Audrey - and was badly injured in the hospital stairwell, will TPTB at least have Monica or another doc mention that Steven Lars has been contacted and is worried sick about his sister? Or that Sarah is trying to come to PC and see Liz?? I continue to really hate that the only family she gets to have in town (other than off-screen Audrey) is actually her second ex-husband's family ... not counting this 'my enemy is my half-sister' nonsense.  Monica better show some concern for the mother of her grandson.

Isn't Steven Lars rotting away in a jail cell in Nashville or somewhere like that because he killed a man and harvested his organs for another patient?

I also don't think Monica owed Liz, the perpetual smirking victim anything, other than being the Chief of Staff who was concerned for one of her patients. Liz gets away with everything, and still manages to sit in judgement of the mere mortals. I'm no Hayden fan, but I'm very much okay with her chewing out poor, delicate Elizabeth. Liz gets a free pass on everything, and now Franco the wounded soul is doing soft voices, and I'm just so over him. 

15 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

Oh yay, Ava is in another episode and has been inserted into yet another story!!!!

Yeah, so what's up with that? 

[P3pp3rb1rd]

1 hour ago, Fellaway said:

Way to go, Griffin, taking that hypo to the lab for testing instead of, oh, I don't know, preserving the chain of custody and handing it over to the police.  It's not like Jordan was in the building or anything.  Oh, wait...

And what's to keep Jordan from thinking that Griffin himself is guilty and is bringing the evidence in as a cover?

[P3pp3rb1rd]

So Liz had grown a brain and not taken the bag of diamonds with her to work and stored them in her locker or her purse. Rather, she had left them at home probably in the "ice"box) and was going to take them to the police by herself from home. No guards or escort...Millions of dollars in diamonds. Why not ask Dante or Nathan to ride with her?

I'm very surprised that Liz didn't break any bones when she tumbled down those stairs.

[TeeVee329]

Who knows if this is true, but I read something on Twitter that the Alexis/Tracy scenes were actually supposed to be with Diane.

[fishcakes]

I had to laugh at Ava finding the vials and syringes and being aghast that she might have slept with a serial killer. Apparently, she's forgotten that she slept with Franco enough times that he thought Kaka was his daughter. In her defense, I would try to blot that out of my memory as well. Even so, once you've had an affair with Franco, you lose the right to be disgusted that you had an affair with literally anyone else. At least Paul washes his hair.

[KerleyQ]

7 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I had to laugh at Ava finding the vials and syringes and being aghast that she might have slept with a serial killer. Apparently, she's forgotten that she slept with Franco enough times that he thought Kaka was his daughter. In her defense, I would try to blot that out of my memory as well. Even so, once you've had an affair with Franco, you lose the right to be disgusted that you had an affair with literally anyone else. At least Paul washes his hair.

Even being a serial killer, Paul is still a step up from Franco or Sonny (or Morgan, if I'm being honest).  

[Oracle42]

Ava has execrable taste in men

[TwistedandBored]

1 hour ago, ulkis said:

If everyone loves Liz so much, could they have had Epiphany there at least? Even Felix! Sabrina, Bobbie, Lucas, Brad, somebody. Watching only Franco stand vigil was depressing. But then, they couldn't even get extras to walk around in the halls. Did everyone leave as soon as the lights went out.

I didn't watch the scenes but I think they might have wanted the attention to be on Franco. Others might take the shine away from him and the show will not let that happen. 

[peachmangosteen]

1 hour ago, lovelynn said:

What was the point of Paul trying to take Monica out? I'm trying really hard to understand what possible motive he has to kill any of his victims but this story has been poorly executed. It seems like this is just a way to get Julian out of prison.

Yea it's pretty clear now that that's literally the only reason they did this. It probably went like this:

Writer 1: Shit we've written ourselves into so many corners plus we never did decide who the hospital killer was. 
Writer 2: Let's make it Paul and then we can have a reason for Julian to not pay for his crimes.
Frank: Brilliant!

I thought Liz was the town pariah. So why is everyone going on and on and on about how she's the greatest person ever in the whole wide world? If anyone ever wanted to know why I hate Liz they could just watch this ep because it makes it abundantly clear.

Ava taking the syringes out of Paul's room and then showing them to him with bare hands was one of the dumbest things they've done lately and that is truly saying something.

I had to ffwd the Liz/Franco shit because I watched about 5 seconds of it and nearly vomited so.

The Alexis/Tracy scenes were great. Literally the only good scenes in the ep.

Edited August 31, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[stlbf]

29 minutes ago, fishcakes said:

I had to laugh at Ava finding the vials and syringes and being aghast that she might have slept with a serial killer. Apparently, she's forgotten that she slept with Franco enough times that he thought Kaka was his daughter. In her defense, I would try to blot that out of my memory as well. Even so, once you've had an affair with Franco, you lose the right to be disgusted that you had an affair with literally anyone else. At least Paul washes his hair.

Sonny also should be classified as a serial killer. Maybe not one who kills on sexual thrill, but he is the head of a supposed mob family. You don't get that title without killing a few people.

[LegalParrot81]

3 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Ava had better put her evidence against Paul into a safe deposit box. He would have no regrets about killing her at the first opportunity if he feels he could get the evidence back from her possession.

Wouldn't that be lovely?  Ava needs to die and who better to do that than Paul.

[sunnyface]

This was the third episode in a row without Sonny, Carly, and Jason.   Well all good things must come to an end.  

[Darklazr]

I know LC rides horses and it is always amusing watching Monica walk.

The only person that can sit by a legacy character's hospital bed is a serial killing rapist with a mooby face?!  WTF has FV done to Elizabeth Imogene Webber and this show?!  Damn.  Where are Piph, Felix and that twit Sabrina?

[Sake614]

Sabrina is back tomorrow in scenes with Michael. for my part she can stay away permanently along with Felix. And since epiphany has become a Sonny  worshiper she can stay gone too.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

40 minutes ago, Darklazr said:

The only person that can sit by a legacy character's hospital bed is a serial killing rapist with a mooby face?!  WTF has FV done to Elizabeth Imogene Webber and this show?!  Damn.  Where are Piph, Felix and that twit Sabrina?

I'm so nauseated that we have to put up with endless Franco in the stairwell, hospital bedside, and hallways now that Liz had the accident.  Sabrina or Piph should already be a nurse there so she can sub for Liz. Who is covering for Liz? That newbie with the annoying voice? And yesterday Franco was getting the dirt from his mother Heather on Hatechel. It's easy to see that we are being manipulated to like Franco for his protectiveness of Liz. SORRY, SHOW! We are not amused.

Edited August 31, 2016 by P3pp3rb1rd

[rur]

4 hours ago, ulkis said:

Did Hayden say why she really kept the diamonds? I missed it.

IIRC, she said she took them with her because they were portable and could be converted to cash if necessary, and, boy she thought about it a couple times, but they were also the last connection she had to her father.

But, weren't we also told earlier that the necklace they were in belonged to her mother?

Edited September 1, 2016 by rur

[P3pp3rb1rd]

Alexis is apparently drinking so much during the day that she is hallucinating; or she may have PTSD from Julian's physical threats. Diane and now Tracy aren't helping with their drinking buddy attitudes towards Alexis too. If Jasam's baby arrives safely, maybe Alexis will be so wasted then that she will drop or endanger her grandchild during a boozy fit.

[Perkie]

So Ava was smart enough to use gloves in the hotel room, but when confronting Paul, handles the drug case with her bare hands.  Well that makes a whole bunch of sense.  Plus, what's stopping Paul from dragging Ava into the bushes and killing her?  

I hope Finn's lies to Jordan about being Hayden's alibi comes back to bite him in the ass.  Stupid dummy.  

Tracy/Alexis I liked, but also thought these two are so random together.  I kept trying to figure out if they've ever shared a scene before.  

[RedheadZombie]

4 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

I agree that it doesn't make sense for Alexis to be so stressed about testifying against Julian. He nearly killed her, and she is also an attorney with years of experience at trials. It should be Julian who is having the hallucinations of fear about what Alexis will say.

I'm assuming it's PTSD, not Alexis simply being a female.  But who knows?

4 hours ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Ava had better put her evidence against Paul into a safe deposit box. He would have no regrets about killing her at the first opportunity if he feels he could get the evidence back from her possession.

I like their adversarial confrontations, but this one was so silly.  At one point she was walking down the steps and kind of throwing insults to him over her shoulder.  I don't understand why he didn't give her a little Elizabeth-shove down those steps, or give her a quick punch in the face and snatch her purse.  At the very least, she could have told him their encounter is being secretly recorded or filmed, or been discretely brandishing a gun.  Something.  He looked like a moron while he watched her carefully zip up his med kit, and tuck it in her purse.  She was maybe two feet away from, within arm's length.

[Chairperson Meow]

10 hours ago, IWantCandy71 said:

On ‎8‎/‎30‎/‎2016 at 4:34 PM, TeeVee329 said:

A little poll: If you could erase two of these Soap Superstar From Another Soap Playing A Spicy, Bitchy Bad Girl, but had to keep the third, which one would you keep?

[   ]     Nina

[   ]     Rebecca Budig (the character)

[   ]     Claudette

 

My ballot:

[X]  Rebecca Budig (the character).  She's getting way too much story, but I find her a lot less irritating than Nina or pointless than Claudette.

They could have him do a Shakespearean speech each time. I would actually jump in the boat with you and help you row, to watch that. And I can't think of a single exception on your list that I care about enough to save them. Finn lost me months ago. And while Kristina isn't a new character, I totally nominate her to be a victim.

I'd vote for Rebecca Budig too, but I'd definitely write in an epic love story for Sonny/Nina on MSt's way out.  I need my dream to come true.  I would also have Claudette take on Nate, Maxie, and Griffin's personalities before being committed into a psych ward for believing she is a cat, like Griffin's alleged father, Duke.  If I have to see these people, well...

[dubbel zout]

2 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Who knows if this is true, but I read something on Twitter that the Alexis/Tracy scenes were actually supposed to be with Diane.

I came into today's ep about 10 minutes late, and I wondered why Tracy and Alexis were talking. It's nice to see them together, but it was also a bit WTF. Those two never interact.

[Perkie]

Here's a question, at the very end, Finn tells Hayden that he knows "she didn't push Liz'.  But how did he know LIz had been pushed.  LIz herself, was only then explaining it to Franco and realizing that someone pushed her.  The only people that know that Liz was pushed are her and the killer.  Was that a blooper on the writers part or did Finn do the pushing.

[rur]

8 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Here's a question, at the very end, Finn tells Hayden that he knows "she didn't push Liz'.  But how did he know LIz had been pushed.  LIz herself, was only then explaining it to Franco and realizing that someone pushed her.  The only people that know that Liz was pushed are her and the killer.  Was that a blooper on the writers part or did Finn do the pushing.

On any other show, that would be a clue that only attentive watchers would be expected to catch. 

On this show, I'm afraid it's more likely to be an indication that no one paid attention to what was written the day before. 

[Bringonthedrama]

25 minutes ago, Perkie said:

 

Tracy/Alexis I liked, but also thought these two are so random together.  I kept trying to figure out if they've ever shared a scene before.  

There is history - Alexis almost married Tracy's son, Ned; Alexis was a friend/co-conspirator with Luke (Tracy's ex) esp. against Helena;  and her (now presumed dead) nephew was married to Tracy's niece, (the quite dead) Emily.  Tracy has also been married to a Mob man, and has felt like she'd been run over due to past relationships, so it seems she empathizes with Alexis ... a bright woman who's made poor choices and all that.

[P3pp3rb1rd]

15 minutes ago, Perkie said:

Here's a question, at the very end, Finn tells Hayden that he knows "she didn't push Liz'.  But how did he know LIz had been pushed.  LIz herself, was only then explaining it to Franco and realizing that someone pushed her.  The only people that know that Liz was pushed are her and the killer.  Was that a blooper on the writers part or did Finn do the pushing.

You are correct; but I am willing to bet it was still writer error. These writer are so careless about everything else. Where was Dr O? And several times Monica called for "Security" but no one ever appeared. Isn't Valerie supposed to be Security? Did she get removed after being bopped on the head?

Edited September 1, 2016 by P3pp3rb1rd

[Perkie]

Quote

On any other show, that would be a clue that only attentive watchers would be expected to catch. 

On this show, I'm afraid it's more likely to be an indication that no one paid attention to what was written the day before. 

See, that's what I thought, that it was a blooper, especially if they tape out of sequence and never quite know what knowledge the characters could have at any given moment.  

But then it kind of made me wonder.  We are assuming that Paul pushed her down the stairs because he appears to be the killer.  But why would he?  Just because he was standing in Monica's office and LIz saw him?  He covered pretty well at the time and RH didn't play it that LIz was suspicious of him.  Finn has a bit of a screw loose ( he talks to dead people and lizards) and he might have been getting back at LIz for the fight with Hayden.  

Eh, I'm overthinking it again, aren't I?!!

[Perkie]

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There is history

Yes, after I thought about it for a bit, I did think of the connection via Luke, (although I had forgotten about the connection via Ned and Nemily).  It was just so odd to see Tracy with someone other than Paul, Monica, or Dillon.  

[rur]

9 minutes ago, Perkie said:

But then it kind of made me wonder.  We are assuming that Paul pushed her down the stairs because he appears to be the killer.  But why would he?  Just because he was standing in Monica's office and LIz saw him?  He covered pretty well at the time and RH didn't play it that LIz was suspicious of him.  Finn has a bit of a screw loose ( he talks to dead people and lizards) and he might have been getting back at LIz for the fight with Hayden.  

Eh, I'm overthinking it again, aren't I?!!

You and me both. Actually, I was thinking it was totally possible that Franco pushed her.

[dubbel zout]

41 minutes ago, P3pp3rb1rd said:

Isn't Valerie supposed to be Security?

No; Valerie is PCPD. Monica was calling for the GH security.

37 minutes ago, Perkie said:

He covered pretty well at the time and RH didn't play it that LIz was suspicious of him.

Paul did say, "She saw me," so it seems he was worried.

[Perkie]

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You and me both. Actually, I was thinking it was totally possible that Franco pushed her.

I despise Franco with the heat of a thousand suns, but I don't believe it was him.  He was looking for her to tell her what Heather told him about Hayden.  Unless it was a munchausen by proxy type thing where he hurts her so he can save her.  

 

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

No; Valerie is PCPD. Monica was calling for the GH security.

Paul did say, "She saw me," so it seems he was worried.

That whole thing made no sense.  She saw me, of course she saw you, you had a conversation.  Looking for Monica.  She's not here I'm waiting for her too.  His gloved hand and needle are hiding under the desk the whole time.  No way did Liz see it.  But eleventy minutes later he declares that she saw him and pushes her down the stairs?  Why is this being written so poorly.  

[ciarra]

Quote

I came into today's ep about 10 minutes late, and I wondered why Tracy and Alexis were talking. It's nice to see them together, but it was also a bit WTF. Those two never interact.

I wondered if it's because Tracy and Alexis both had men who'd done them wrong.  A chance to commiserate?  

I'm not sure why Alexis is hallucinating, though.  Brain worms are contagious?  I was saying brain worms was the reason Paul was teh evul, because his character has flip-flopped from baddie to good guy back to baddie.  (Although I'm not sure shooting Sonny could be considered "bad".)  Maybe Johnnie's guys know what's going on. 

[LeftPhalange]

After everything Alexis has been through she gonna crack up now because Julian held a knife to her throat and now she has to testify against him? Really? 

The entire east coast fawning over how super awesome and great Liez is was unbearable. 

I hate that fucking Ava is the one who realized that Paul is the killer. I would've been ok with literally anyone else (except Freako, Liez, or Sonny) figuring it out. Also, the Ava/Paul scenes were stupid as shit. There are zero reasons why Paul shouldn't have killed her. At the very least he could've snatched her purse or called the cops so they would find the evidence in her possession. So Stupid. Now I'm wondering if the writers created this entire whack ass serial killer story just to keep Julian out of prison.

[jsbt]

I agree, it is unbelievable that a serial killer would not kill a woman who knew his secret on the spot.

[Michel]

I'm guessing contract negotiations completely broke down with Tyler, because I just noticed today that Nikolas has been completely removed from the opening sequence.  He used to share his spot with Hayden, Curtis, and Laura.  But today, I only saw those three, but no sign of him.

[Badsamaritan]

Toast. This greasy haired, disgusting love child of a threesome between Lord Farquaad, Buster Brown, and Little Lord Fauntleroy is talking to an unconscious Liez about fucking TOAST. And folks wanna make fun of the dragon & phoenix figurines? Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit. And if I'm not mistaken, didn't Freaco have the same sorta 'concerns' about Carly when his fruit loops mama kidnapped her then the tunnels of Wyndemere tried to help us all out by falling on her? And this is supposed to be cute and squee worthy?? Am I taking crazy pills or something???

What will it take to get this asshole off the screen? Seriously, asking for a friend....

[NutmegsDad]

6 hours ago, LeftPhalange said:

There are zero reasons why Paul shouldn't have killed her. At the very least he could've snatched her purse or called the cops so they would find the evidence in her possession. So Stupid. Now I'm wondering if the writers created this entire whack ass serial killer story just to keep Julian out of prison.

 

1 hour ago, jsbt said:

I agree, it is unbelievable that a serial killer would not kill a woman who knew his secret on the spot.

(Full Disclosure: Ava Lover here) Ava can't be 24/7 in a public place, and it's stupid not for her to leave some of that evidence in a safe "if anything happens to me, shit gets blown up real good" place. And she was in a fucking good place with the Police when they asked about the cufflink.

Ava's offhand remark that there are multiple copies of that damn thumbdrive out there made me want to throw the cat at the screen. We will NEVER be rid of that petulant corpse, WhoTheFuckCares.

Props for Finn for not flipping out when Hayden said she had diamonds from No!BernieMadoff's stash. That could have saved his wife, you know. She told him. :)

Who pushed Liz isn't Hayden or Paul, but I'm guessing it's (....commercial break.....)

Why does Alexis have to testify if she's going crazy? Just introduce the recording, have Sonny testify he saw Julian with Alexis, and that's it.

[Sake614]

2 hours ago, NutmegsDad said:

Why does Alexis have to testify if she's going crazy? Just introduce the recording, have Sonny testify he saw Julian with Alexis, and that's it.

Because the defendant has a right to face his accuser. any decent defense attorney would have the recording thrown out if she can't testify. Nor can Scotty cross examine a recording. And Sonny isn't s credible witness. Except on GH. I got my law degree from Law & Order university ?