Episode Discussion: TFGH

[TeeVee329]

Maxie: "I know Claudette isn't a dog...but she's still a bitch."

Me: "How far ahead does this damn show shoot again?  I said that five weeks ago!"

 

Also, based on what she knows right now...why is Claudette a bitch?  She and Nathan entered into an arranged marriage, he fell in love with her, she didn't return his feelings.  How is that being a bitch?

[ulkis]

Maxie: "I know Claudette isn't a dog...but she's still a bitch."

Me: "How far ahead does this damn show shoot again?  I said that five weeks ago!"

 

They only film about 4 weeks ahead at most, so they definitely could have ripped you off. ;)

[WendyCR72]

So this Claudette chick has Nina Syndrome? A la not seen for freaking ages and never met by the audience before, but having oodles of a plot point centered around a phantom presence and people are supposed to give a shit?

 

Because that worked so well the first time...

[Syndicate]

So Nathan said Claudette wanted someone else. Was it Griffin? I mean, the scar and all plus some viewers theorizing that Nate and Griff have some kind of coinciding storyline. Nathan shooting Griffin over Claudette works, but I wonder how much of Nathan's situation does his mother know? If Dr. O knows everything, then she would know that Nathan shot Griffin. But Griffin works at the hospital. So why hasn't Dr. O been beside herself by running into her son's potential shooting victim on a daily basis? I would have to assume that Dr. O doesn't know the whole story (ironically, just like Maxie).

Edited April 4, 2016 by Syndicate

[TeeVee329]

Interesting theory, Syndicate.  Dr. O heard the Claudette sekrit from Magda so she wouldn't recognize Griffin necessarily.  And he and Maxie have been getting some chem testing.  Hmmm.

[LeftPhalange]

So Nathan said Claudette wanted someone else. Was it Griffin? I mean, the scar and all plus some viewers theorizing that Nate and Griff have some kind of coinciding storyline. Nathan shooting Griffin over Claudette works, but I wonder how much of Nathan's situation does his mother know? If Dr. O knows everything, then she would know that Nathan shot Griffin. But Griffin works at the hospital. So why hasn't Dr. O been beside herself by running into her son's potential shooting victim on a daily basis? I would have to assume that Dr. O doesn't know the whole story (ironically, just like Maxie).

 

Talking tree is too bland to be an attempted murderer, 

[Sake614]

Didn't Nathan and Griffin meet at the hospital?

[Syndicate]

Didn't Nathan and Griffin meet at the hospital?

No, they didn't!

[IWantCandy71]

I don't mind the outside shots-I know it's probably to help save money, but to me, a lot of their sets are too dark, anyway. The brightness of the outside helps lend a brightness to the show.

Finn and Tracy were wonderful. *twirls* Just awesome. RoHo is like twice the size of RH, but they look good together. Lately, I have been watching most of the show and not FFwdng anyone(except Kristina, always her, ALWAYS) and it really has improved the last month or so. Generally speaking, they say a new writing regime needs six months to find their stride, and it's been about that, so maybe that's why?

Anyway, I didn't mind even the stupid stuff, like Nina/Julian. And I know some have complained about Julian's hair, but to me it looks like he might be wearing a hairpiece that maybe doesn't fit right.

Well, for anyone who was wondering about whether or not Laura and Liz could be charged with a crime, I guess they cleared that up today. I've watched too many true crime shows, so I wasn't surprised. I just don't get what they are doing with Nik and Hayden. They need to cut their losses, but I don't want JaSam to be the ones who ultimately get back ELQ. That should be NED. I don't mind them helping, I'm glad they want to, it's just that I want Ned to be able to do this for his mother.

Edited April 5, 2016 by IWantCandy71

[hypnotoad]

 

What about those of us who don't want to see Sonny praised continuously day after day, basically pretending something to be true just because characters are forced to say it?

 

Exactly. Sorry to state the obvious but Sonny is a mobster. That means he is a bad guy - he isn't a hero. Period. There's nothing else to say. Guza or whatever writer started the mob crap on this show may have decided to do so because of The Soprano's but boy did he miss the point! Tony was the central character but that didn't mean the writers viewed him as a hero nor did the writers ever let the audience forget exactly what he was.

 

Sonny is a criminal. He murders innocent people and yes despite his allegedly fat body - AJ was innocent. Oh and Sonny's mob isn't involved with drugs? Give me a break (and did the writers forget Karen?) So that somehow makes all the other deaths and bombs and so forth alright?

 

I'm thoroughly exhausted and grossed out by everyone in town bending at the knee to Sonny. I hate what they have done with Michael's story. I loved all his justified anger at Sonny and Carly and now (like everything else Sonny related) it's all just washed away. Puke.

 

 

So this Claudette chick has Nina Syndrome? A la not seen for freaking ages and never met by the audience before, but having oodles of a plot point centered around a phantom presence and people are supposed to give a shit?

 

Because that worked so well the first time...

 

What do you mean? Nina is a huge hit and her pairing with Franco is twu wuv!!

[yowsah1]

So, she had a LINE for Nik that was essentially meaningless? Sam is WORKING for him, WITH Jason! These writers are pathetic. I still cannot BELIEVE the fallout of the Jason reveal. "Well, let's all go home and back to our fuck buddies." I'm sure the Lake/Liason fans and the 14 remaining Samtrick fans were pleased, but for the general audience it was a complete fail and letdown.

 

I can guarantee you that watching Liz get trashed for a solid year and a half for no fucking reason except to prolong the inevitable (and unbelievably boring) Jasam reunion was the farthest thing from "pleasing" for Liz/Liason fans, as the crashing ratings for the entirety of that horror show can attest.

 

Sam: I'm sorry, Nikolas.

Nik: Are you?

Me: jsjajahjajajajjajwjkekajjqhakkqjskkjjskkajanakkajakjajajskjsjajjajqjjwjjbcqhqnhahiqkwbna

 

Show's way of finally acknowledging fan complaints that Sam shouldn't even be speaking to Nik after what he did - by having Nik accuse Sam of not being sufficiently sympathetic to his "plight"!  I accurately predicted from the jump that Nik would skip off without so much as a cross word in his direction for the Jason lie and that Liz would end up bearing the brunt of the blame, but in my most cynical assessment did I dream that audience would be expected to see him as the heroic, put-upon victim of the evil woman HE TRIED TO HAVE KILLED!

[HeatLifer]

I can guarantee you that watching Liz get trashed for a solid year and a half for no fucking reason except to prolong the inevitable (and unbelievably boring) Jasam reunion was the farthest thing from "pleasing" for Liz/Liason fans, as the crashing ratings for the entirety of that horror show can attest.

Oh, I'm not denying that. You know (or I think you know from my posts, lol) how I feel about what this show did to Liz's character. It was 100% OOC garbage and no Liz fan deserved to watch her character essentially thrown under the bus.

But I was specifically referring to the scenes for Jason's reveal. And if the writers wanted to "go there" with this story, Liz should have been outed at the wedding and there should have been tears, confrontation, yelling-type dramatics. Not everyone just going home and not caring and Jason just wanting to divorce Sam and continue to be with Liz. It was a letdown in the dramatic sense.

[ciarra]

It's a good thing Nathan married Claudette.  Heaven knows what horrors would have awaited her if she had to go back to...Canada?  Seriously, that was the best they could do?  There are biases against women in many countries, where returning would mean persecution and possibly death.  What would Claudette have to fear in Canada -- Poutine makes her gain five pounds? 

[tvgoddess]

 

And that brings me to the best part of today's episode, my man Curtis. Never ruin him, show, PLEASE! Also, the Curtis/Hayden friendship is beautiful. I squeed when he put his hand on her back.

 

Love him and love these two together. Curtis is basically the only thing I'm enjoying watching right now. His sarcasm is so dear to my heart.

 

I cannot stand that even though Hayden is pulling her trump card and blackmailing Nik that she's so weepy and whiny over his ass. Get your hell hath no fury on, girl!

 

Nina went back to REPENT! REPENT! REPENT! today, followed by throwing of paper instead of a lamp.

[Chairperson Meow]

Jason is involved in the wrong damn investigation right now. Dude, who gives a fuck about Vivian Darkbloom? She's got Curtis. She's good. What you and Aria McCall need to do is investigate the fact that your only brother was murdered by that wannabe Al Capone you've been budding up to and your new bestie covered it up. And it broke your mother's heart. Step away from your IKEA shelves and zombie rehabilitation and coloring books to get avenge that one, dude.

[CreamedPeas]

I know I'm in the minority, but I do like Sonny. I have from the beginning. The main reason is because I think he's sexy. But, I have no interest in the "everyone loves Sonny no matter what he does" shit. I want him to be the criminal I fell in love with and for his sons to hate him for, Michael; he killed my dad and Morgan; he screwed my girlfriend who is the mother to my other girlfriend and he "gave" me bipolar disorder and for shooting my mom while she was giving birth to me." I want Sonny to be the gangster you love to hate.....or love. We need some action from him. Tony Soprano style.

[Perkie]

 

What would Claudette have to fear in Canada -

Raven Symone when Trump wins?!

 

 

Poutine makes her gain five pounds?

Poutine is yummy!!

[Mrs OldManBalls]

  What would Claudette have to fear in Canada -- Poutine makes her gain five pounds? 

 

Maybe she's sick of the ridiculous shipping fees when online shopping. I can relate. 

[peachmangosteen]

We need some action from him. Tony Soprano style.

 

You know what, maybe the reason why they don't write Sonny like this is because MB just can't really play that anymore. I mean he can barely remember his lines, I doubt he could really pull off a Tony Soprano style character at this point. 

 

But they need to figure something out because this shit where Sonny is the hero and having literally everyone in town kiss his ass doesn't work for anyone.

Edited April 5, 2016 by peachmangosteen

[Mrs OldManBalls]

You know what, maybe the reason why they don't write Sonny like this is because MB just can't really play that anymore. I mean he can barely remember his lines, I doubt he could really pull off a Tony Soprano style character at this point. 

 

But they need to figure something out because this shit where Sonny is the hero and having literally everyone in town kiss his ass doesn't work for anyone.

 

It's really hurt the show over the years. 

[LeftPhalange]

You know what, maybe the reason why they don't write Sonny like this is because MB just can't really play that anymore. I mean he can barely remember his lines, I doubt he could really pull off a Tony Soprano style character at this point. 

 

But they need to figure something out because this shit where Sonny is the hero and having literally everyone in town kiss his ass doesn't work for anyone.

 

He could kill Franco.

[IWantCandy71]

The biggest problem with the Hayden vs Liz thing is that in any good rivalry, you have to have a yin and a yang. An antagonist and a protagonist. The more equal they are in terms of abilities, the better. With those two though....you've got two people who are almost the same. Neither one very nice, both selfish people, insulting each other. It's boring. I do think it's still possible that Liz and Hayden could turn out to be related, for those who want that. No, she's not Sarah, but she doesn't have to be, for them to be sisters.

 

I am afraid of liking anything on this show, for fear it wil be ruined, because it usually is, but Finn and Tracy made me smile and actually *enjoy* watching the show. That to me, makes the viewing worthwhile.

[TeeVee329]

One thing I'm beyond sick of is Rebecca Budig slamming Liz's kids, which I think is the writers' lazy way of indicating that Liz is "the heroine" (which, whatever) and Rebecca Budig is "the evil bitch" (which, kinda true, but she's not worse than Nikolas, who TRIED TO HAVE HER KILLED).

[IWantCandy71]

Yes. the slams against Liz's kids are unwarranted, and just make Hayden look worse than Liz. But she's not, no matter what relative of Liz's they have her insulting. The kids don't deserve it, but Liz does. Liz SHOULD be concerned she's broken the law and that Hayden could at least attempt to have her prosecuted. Instead, she goes around smirking. So it makes me totally not care about any insults Hayden throws her way.

Because you know...if Liz *truly* put her boys first, she'd stay far away from being complicit in any criminal activity.

I've said before, I'll say again..."protecting" someone who tried to have someone killed? Isn't noble or healthy or good, in any way, shape or form.

[LeftPhalange]

If Hayden only insulted DNAJ that would be fine because that kid is sketch and unnecessary. 

[Mrs. Stanwyck]

 

 

Because you know...if Liz *truly* put her boys first, she'd stay far away from being complicit in any criminal activity.

I've said before, I'll say again..."protecting" someone who tried to have someone killed? Isn't noble or healthy or good, in any way, shape or form.

 

You are absolutely right but we've all seen that covering for someone who tried to kill someone, or you know, who actually killed someone, isn't a crime in Port Charles.  Ask Carly.

[dubbel zout]

One thing I'm beyond sick of is Rebecca Budig slamming Liz's kids

 

I also hate the implied shut-shaming when she continues to point out they all have different fathers. That's true of every woman in Port Charles with more than one kid. So let's stop calling out Liz, writers. 

[TeeVee329]

That's true of every woman in Port Charles with more than one kid.

 

AND the men.  Sonny, Julian, and Jason all have multiple baby mamas.

[dubbel zout]

The men are never shamed for that, though. It's ALWAYS the women who get the snide comments.

[Darklazr]

I don't give a shit that Nik shot Hayden in the head, because she clearly liked banging the man over and over and had no problem marrying his ass.

 

Hayden's nasty comments about Elizabeth boys had better mean her behind can't have kids, like ever and she clearly thinks Nicholas and Spencer were born within the bounds of marriage!

 

Curtis and Hayden's whatever is way too much like Britt and Brad's schemes.

 

Curtis is smoking hot!  Damn.

 

Olivia witnessed Sonny killing Karpov and still screwed the man.  

 

Jason threatened to put a bullet in Sam's head and she still crawled all over town to take his ass back and had his kid, so Nik putting a hit on Hayden clearly means, squat.

 

Anna shot and killed Carlos in cold blood and the show has now retconned the entire story!

 

Elizabeth and Laura figuring out that Nik had Hayden shot is wrong on so many levels, but the show clearly does not care so why should I give a shit?

 

What the hell is that thing on Julian's head?!

Edited April 5, 2016 by Darklazr

[TeeVee329]

It's so frustrating because Rebecca Budig has a valid reason to hate Liz - for aiding and abetting Nikolas TRYING TO HAVE HER KILLED because of her desperation for mob peen.

 

But of course, that's not really why she hates Liz, she hates Liz because she and Nikolas are close friends and she's jelly.  What-fucking-ever!

[Oracle42]

It is bizarre that Liz, one of the designated "good girls" has managed to have two children from one night stands and one (with her fiancé) during an affair. Carly and Alexis, both of whom have also achieved the 3 daddy trifecta, were married to at least one of children's fathers - and in Carly's case, two of her children were planned with her respective husbands.

Edited April 6, 2016 by Oracle42

[SlovakPrincess]

The new writers clearly do not know how to deal with the insane, multiple-character-destroying mess RC created. But dragging these shitty stories out is not helping.

I was happy with the retcon of Anna killing Carlos ... but the Paul / Carlos / Anna shit is STILL dragging on for almost a year. Why? Just put Carlos in jail. For good measure have him say "Julian called off the hit but I didn't listen." Boom! A story has actually ended for once!

And the Nik / Hayden / Liz / Jason / Sam hell is STILL a thing. Most of these people should - and would - just avoid each other at this point. Hayden could work as a character, but away from Nik. The only viable Nik story right now is Laura getting him to a shrink to be deprogrammed from whatever Helena did to him to turn him evil last year.

[Oracle42]

The biggest problem with the Hayden vs Liz thing is that in any good rivalry, you have to have a yin and a yang. An antagonist and a protagonist. The more equal they are in terms of abilities, the better. With those two though....you've got two people who are almost the same. Neither one very nice, both selfish people, insulting each other. It's boring. I do think it's still possible that Liz and Hayden could turn out to be related, for those who want that. No, she's not Sarah, but she doesn't have to be, for them to be sisters.

I wouldn't miss Hayden if she were gone but the writers (and FV?) are clearly determined to keep her and make her a major player. This "romance" with Nik is not viable as currently written and a sibling gives her a better reason to be in PC than that "trying to rebuild" fuckery the Prince of Douchey Tides was prattling on about

Edited April 5, 2016 by Oracle42

[Mrs OldManBalls]

I was happy with the retcon of Anna killing Carlos ... but the Paul / Carlos / Anna shit is STILL dragging on for almost a year. Why? Just put Carlos in jail. For good measure have him say "Julian called off the hit but I didn't listen." Boom! A story has actually ended for once!

 

Plus, Carlos isn't dead and can come back to me after he's served his time! Everyone wins! 

 

I kind of like Nik being screwed right now; hopefully he can turn the tables on Hayden without resorting to murder again.(Something old school soap would be nice!)

 

 Feel free to tar and feather me, but I like the vibe between Liz and Franco. 

 

Just seeing Shawn's stupid ( yet handsome) face ruined yesterday for me. Leave him in jail show!!!!! 

[dubbel zout]

I kind of like Nik being screwed right now; hopefully he can turn the tables on Hayden without resorting to murder again.(Something old school soap would be nice!)

Nik needs to lose big and for a while, IMO. His insistence that he's doing this to save Spencer's inheritance is ridiculous; it's just the manipulation he uses to get people to do what he wants. I don't want Rebecca Budig to get ELQ, but if she does and Tracy is able to wrest it from her grasping little hands, then that works for me. As long as Nik is miserable and hurting.

[LexieLily]

Why is Sam bending over backwards to help Nik and explain everything??

[TeeVee329]

Between his whining about Griffin being judgmental about his murdering mobster ways, his whining about Dante talking to Michael about cop/mob matters, and his "hilarious" joke about boxing with Dante being the only time he can hit a cop, I found Sonny extremely annoying today.

 

The writing for Rebecca Budig today - with her saying that Nikolas owed her a nice life and Curtis suggesting she had an addiction to wealth - seemed like more painting her as a gold digger and Nikolas as her victim.  That said, her announcing that Curtis was moving in?  Heh!  Now I kinda want her and Curtis to do it all over the mansion in front of Nik.

 

It was nice to see Michael show up and support the Q's.  It also made me smile to be reminded of Duke and the tutu, I loved that scene.

[Fellaway]

I don't get this.  Just the other day, after his "Edward" talk with Tracy, Jason finally seemed to remember they needed to get ELQ back from Nicholas and wanted to help towards that end.  But, instead of keeping it to himself that Hayden is working on the inside for Tracy, he tells Sam, then they get that bright idea to pass the info on to Nicholas!  Now, tomorrow, it looks like the light is going to switch on and, at least, Jason realizes maybe Nicholas is the one who tried to kill Hayden!  After giving him another reason to want her dead!

 

Why you gotta be so stupid, Show?  Y'know, Writers, having all the characters dumb all the time, just to advance plot, is not good writing.

 

Then we have Anna.  I've loved her for decades, since she first came on the show, but now I kinda hate her.  That's what happens, Writers, when you make the show all about Sonny all the time, and every other character has to be in service to him.  Now I kinda want Paul to put one over on Anna, well and truly.

[Blackie]

It was great to see Wally K.  holding his own and looking hot between the 2 young " studs" of the show.

 

Leslie C. on the other hand looked like she shrank about 6 inches, unless she used to always wear very high heels and doesn't anymore.

[dubbel zout]

Emma and Griffin playing cowboys and neurosurgeons was adorable. There are other men whose hair I'd cut first, though.

 

Boo on Emma having to prop Sonny by telling him she thinks he's handsome. It would be laughably pathetic—Sonny needs an ego boost from an 8-year-old?!—if it wasn't so obviously a way to continue to anvil us that Sonny is a Good Man. And of course he'd never wear a cowboy hat with a pink glitter star. Asshole.
 

Sam, ELQ is your son's inheritance; why are you on Nik's side?

[TeeVee329]

Which reminds me, I am so sick and tired of Spencer being invoked as a plot McGuffin.  "I had to do it because Spencer!"  "I feel bad for Nikolas because Spencer!".  Just shut up about that little brat.

[dubbel zout]

What I especially hate about that is that it's not as if we've seen Nik have to tighten his belt and rein in his expenses. There's been zero reduction in his living situation. 

 

And Nik is acting like Spencer will have only family money to live on. Doesn't Nik want him to earn his own money?

Edited April 5, 2016 by dubbel zout

[LeftPhalange]

LOl at show trying to make Hayden seem like a gold digger. So what if she is? Is that supposed to make me side with Nik/Liez/Laura? Nope. I hope she is a gold digger and I hope takes everything she can get her hands on. 

[dubbel zout]

LOl at show trying to make Hayden seem like a gold digger. So what if she is? Is that supposed to make me side with Nik/Liez/Laura?

It makes me hate this whole story even more than I already do. 

[ciarra]

So is Nathan's new big secret that he has an 8 year old kid by Claudette?  A chip off the old wood block?  Does he think Maxie will disapprove of him because he left his child to be raised by someone else?  Hel-lo, does Georgie ring a bell?

 

JaSam's tag-team detective work continues to annoy.  She leads him around like a puppy.  A very stupid puppy.

[ulkis]

Emma and Griffin playing cowboys and neurosurgeons was adorable. There are other men whose hair I'd cut first, though.

 

Agreed on both counts.

 

Sam, ELQ is your son's inheritance; why are you on Nik's side?

 

I can kinda get Sam being team Nik when it's Nik v Hayden, but not ratting out Tracy to Nik and helping Nik keep ELQ when it's a question of him v Michael, Jason, her own damn son.

 

Man, Michael would look so good if it weren't for that weird haircut emphasizing his teeny mouth.

Edited April 5, 2016 by ulkis

[TwistedandBored]

Since Sam is not going to laugh at Nik's face or care less about his pathetic behind. Can we have Jasam stop talking about Nik/Hayden and start doing each other? That would have been soo much better than what we got today. Go back to making out guys. 

[HeatLifer]

Emma dressed as a doctor and then Griffin calling her "Dr. Scorpio-Drake" was precious af!!!!! And then she took selfies at the hospital for Scrubs. Omg. Did she call Pip "Aunt Ephiphany"!?!???

No one talk to me for 8 days. *crying*

[Bawoman]

 

I can kinda get Sam being team Nik when it's Nik v Hayden, but not ratting out Tracy to Nik and helping Nik keep ELQ when it's a question of him v Michael, Jason, her own damn son.

 

 

I can't.....the most benevolent I could buy Sam being with Nik is just choosing to stay out of it. Nik screwed her over and screwed her over bad. She has no reasons to like Hayden, but has many reasons to dislike Nik, family or not.