Captain America: Civil War (2016)

[millennium]

No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

The first words we get from a Spidey are NOT "Hey, everyone". I refuse to believe that. I'm furious too.

The very POINT of casting a younger actor for Spidey was supposedly to point him towards the wisecracking version. Wisecracking Spidey arrives on the scene with a JOKE. Not a "Hey, everyone".

 

The high school voice seemed really out of place amid so much adult turmoil.   Otherwise, this looks like the unofficial next Avengers movie.

[OakGoblinFly]

I just can't do it. I can't watch my heroes fight each other. I refuse. And poor Wanda still hurting about my Quicksilver.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Scarlet Witch the most powerful Avenger in this movie?

 

 

She's pretty much the most powerful being in the Marvel comics too ..... so her taking on Vision doesn't surprise me.

[JessePinkman]

The "Hey everyone" could be a dub just for the trailer, it could be just a greeting long after he's sassed everyone, it could be him building up to a wisecrack.
 
I think Tony calling him "underoos" and the design of the costume speaks to them getting the character a bit more than the previous movies. Until we know more focusing on that one line seems a little much.
 

The high school voice seemed really out of place amid so much adult turmoil.   Otherwise, this looks like the unofficial next Avengers movie.

Now the voice THAT was a little "What the whaa.." for me, he sounds like a BABY! Not even 15, like 12. Like his voice hasn't broken yet. We'll see.

Edited March 11, 2016 by JessePinkman

[BatmanBeatles]

Maybe it's because we're used to Spiderman being played by a 20 year old.

[absnow54]

Try ~30 year old. 

[DollEyes]

My verdict on the new trailer: love it! Given the film's title, I expected to see two sets of superheroes fighting each other and it delivered. It also gave me enough feels to make me want to see it even more.

 

  As for "Underoos," aka Spider-Man, his intro was cute, but given his obvious youth, if  someone on Team Cap had said something like " You wearing any diapers under that onesie? 'Cause you're so gonna need 'em," that would have been hilarious.

Edited March 17, 2016 by DollEyes

[VCRTracking]

Just because we can justify it, with an explanation like "I'd be nervous too", doesn't mean we should have to. Sure Spidey is 15. But that's less relevant than the fact that he's SPIDER-MAN. Who's core characteristic, most especially in his earliest appearances, was dealing with those nerves WITH those wisecracks. The wisercracks aren't despite the nerves, they're BECAUSE of them.

 

Yeah but he usually makes wisecracks common criminals, muggers, burglars, bank robbers and supervillains. These are heroes that he likely respects. In the comics the hero he insults freely is the Human Torch, because he's about his age and he's like the popular jock of the superhero world.

Edited March 11, 2016 by VCRTracking

[Spartan Girl]

For the record, General Ross is in NO POSITION to lecture any of the Avengers about collateral damage.  How many people died/got hurt because he created Abomination?!  He wasn't protecting anybody, he just wanted to capture Hulk just to get ahold of the DNA!  Asshole.

[coppersin]

The "Hey everyone" could be a dub just for the trailer, it could be just a greeting long after he's sassed everyone, it could be him building up to a wisecrack.

 

My vote is trailer-dub. It's basically him breaking the fourth wall to greet the audience. And I'm fine with him not cracking a joke - ending the trailer on a lighter note was a nice touch, but too much humor would go against the theme they were establishing.

[Perfect Xero]

His suit is made from the same thing as Cap's shield.

 

Well, in the comics, the suit has a vibranium mesh woven in to it, so it's less like a suit of full plate armor and more like the best bulletproof vest ever. It's somewhat less indestructible than the shield as a result.

[HoodlumSheep]

Based on the 10 seconds of Spidey...he seems...adorable?

????

Anyways #TeamIronMan now and forever. And to clarify: it's mainly because Tony's my favorite mcu character and I'm shallow like that. Also T'challa. And Rhodey.

RHODEY. HE BETTER NOT DIE.

Is it bad that I want to see T'challa absolutely WRECK Bucky? Sorry, Bucky, you're low on my totem pole of favorite characters. I don't hate you, I just find you not as magnificent as 99.9% of the internet seems to.

Edited March 11, 2016 by HoodlumSheep

[lion10]

Just because we can justify it, with an explanation like "I'd be nervous too", doesn't mean we should have to. Sure Spidey is 15. But that's less relevant than the fact that he's SPIDER-MAN. Who's core characteristic, most especially in his earliest appearances, was dealing with those nerves WITH those wisecracks. The wisercracks aren't despite the nerves, they're BECAUSE of them.

I'm not saying this single-handedly ruins the character or anything. But if it IS the first time he shows up (we'll find out I guess), then it just rings my own Spidey-sense that maybe they don't get what makes the character the character--the version they've been claiming this is I mean.

I'm not opposed to the outfit. As I said it very much fits with the 15 year old version. Dark N Gritty is not that kid.

I think the Raimi suit was the best of them all.

[bluvelvet]

Loved the trailer and geeked out seeing spidey at the end.

Hate that my heroes will be fighting each other but I'll watch and deal with the heartache

[SeanC]

Here's a contest video with Emily VanCamp and Elizabeth Olsen which features some BTS footage (the most we've seen of VanCamp so far).

Edited March 11, 2016 by SeanC

[Rick Kitchen]

I really don't understand how these people are literally fighting their FRIENDS and people they have fought together with, and want to kill them.  How is that even possible?

[SeanC]

I really don't understand how these people are literally fighting their FRIENDS and people they have fought together with, and want to kill them.  How is that even possible?

I don't see any desire to kill them here.  But conflict among friends is hardly unprecedented.

[VCRTracking]

As Jeremy Renner and Elizabeth Olsen said an interview during a press set visit:

 

How hard is it with the existing conflict between Tony Stark and Steve Rogers for you guys to choose sides? [To Olsen] You’re new to this whole team, and Hawkeye’s been around for awhile, so how does that (work?) for your characters?

RENNER: I don’t know – I mean I can’t totally talk about why we divide, but… it’s interesting because we’re doing this scene today that’s sort of the pinnacle of that. Two gangs fighting against each other, ultimately knowing that… ya know, it’s like friends fighting friends. To me it’s fun, personally [laughs], but… no one wants to kill each other…

OLSEN: Just try to get from point A to point B without getting in someone’s way.

RENNER: Yeah, yeah, it’s all fun and games until someone loses an eye type of thing. There’s that kind of irreverence to it the humor and in the reality of what’s really going on that plays into this movie.

 

[Spartan Girl]

Here's a contest video with Emily VanCamp and Elizabeth Olsen which features some BTS footage (the most we've seen of VanCamp so far).

It's about fucking time!

Of course people are already hating on her for kicking Bucky in the face! I get that he's loved, but he isn't the most stable right now. If Sharon had to physically defend herself, so be it!

Personally I'm a little impressed by her leg flexibility. She might give Nat a run for her money LOL.

[stealinghome]

I really don't understand how these people are literally fighting their FRIENDS and people they have fought together with, and want to kill them. How is that even possible?

Have you met Tony Stark, though? I'm pretty sure his closest friends want to strangle him on a regular basis. I know I would.

[Kromm]

I really don't understand how these people are literally fighting their FRIENDS and people they have fought together with, and want to kill them.  How is that even possible?

Comic book logic, applied by a bunch of total hacks who ran Marvel Comics at the time.

Here's a contest video with Emily VanCamp and Elizabeth Olsen which features some BTS footage (the most we've seen of VanCamp so far).

It is SO wacky that there's a "girls who can do good in the world" civics type contest (admittedly bent towards science) based around a movie that's in part about civil disobedience.

[SeanC]

Comic book logic, applied by a bunch of total hacks who ran Marvel Comics at the time.

Heroes fighting each other was not exactly a novelty created by Civil War. 

Edited March 12, 2016 by SeanC

[Kromm]

Heroes fighting each other was not exactly a novelty created by Civil War.

Didn't say it was (notice I used the phrase "applied" and not "invented by").

[Grace19]

I had no idea this thread is on this forum! I just found it. First, i found steve boring in TFA and the avengers. He was my least favourite avenger, then I watched TWS and fell in love with him, i would say his relationship with bucky, nat and sam had alot to do with that, and he was so kickass in TWS, now steve, bucky, sam, nat, bruce and tony are my favourite in that order. I had no comic information about TWS before watching the movie, i literally screamed when bucky was unmasked (his death, friendship with steve and steve waking up in the 21st century were the only exciting thing about TFA for me). CATWS created a beast, now I can't wait for CACW and the trailers are not helping, lol. Please let everyone be okay especially stucky. I have no problem with the avengers fighting each other, it will be emotional and I love it, as long as everyone reconcils later. For me black panther stole the show, he is so badass and I love the actor playing him.

[Grace19]

Finally, CATWS made stucky my first and only ever non canon slash ship except for laurele/michaela on HTGAWM. So, yes I don't want anything to happen to either of them. On the romantic front I think tony/pepper are the best couple on MCU, Steve/peggy were okay as well as thor/jane. I dont like or dislike the possibe steve/sharon, its just a non entity for me, maybe because there is no time to flash it out or because, i don't really care about the actress, playing sharon character since ABC's revenge.

[JessePinkman]

I don't mind heroes fighting each other but some of the visuals in the trailer are...questionable. Are they fighting at an airport? It looks a little cheap, to be honest. I hope (and think) they're saving the big action setpieces for the actual movie, as they should.

[VCRTracking]

 

I don't mind heroes fighting each other but some of the visuals in the trailer are...questionable. Are they fighting at an airport? It looks a little cheap, to be honest. I hope (and think) they're saving the big action setpieces for the actual movie, as they should.

 

 

The call back to skinny Steve fighting the bully in the alley in the first Cap movie saying "I can do this all day." is one of my favorite parts. It's even the same stance.

Edited March 12, 2016 by VCRTracking

[Dandesun]

That big 'running at each other' scene includes everyone... so either that happens early on or Rhodey gets better.

[Rick Kitchen]

I have a strong feeling Rhodey gets better. I also think the implication that it's Bucky shooting him down is also an editing trick.

[Bruinsfan]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the Scarlet Witch the most powerful Avenger in this movie?

I'd say that potentially the Vision is as long as he has one of the Infinity Gems on his forehead—that thing has essentially limitless power, and was the origin of Wanda's abilities. Even without it, he's about as strong as Thor, about as durable as Cap's shield, can fly, make himself immaterial, and presumably has all the cyber-capabilities that JARVIS did. Of course, Wanda's powers are extremely vague, and when riled up she was able to crack Ultron's nigh-indestructible vibranium armor, which means she's the one Avenger present who can affect the Vision via raw force.

[benteen]

 

The call back to skinny Steve fighting the bully in the alley in the first Cap movie saying "I can do this all day." is one of my favorite parts. It's even the same stance.

 

Yeah, that's the thing when you do Civil War this early in the MU.  You really aren't going to have more than a dozen people involved in it.

[VCRTracking]

The Russo Brothers posted a short video on Facebook of them mixing the movie and are about a week from completion. Nothing spoilery except you can see on the screen the scene of Thunderbolt Ross' meeting with the Avengers and the Vision sitting next to Wanda wearing a suit!

 

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/03/16/the-russo-brothers-sneakily-share-civil-war-footage

[nobodyyoucare]

The Vision does like wearing suits. 

[JessePinkman]

I've watched a number of reaction videos to the new trailer on youtube and every other person says that Spider-Man has "Deadpool eyes" and as a True Fan™ it's enraging because Deadpool stole that from SPIDER-MAN.

 

And it's obvious that Spidey's eyes in the trailer are some form of technology not animated like Deadpool's. Some people even suggested that Marvel rushed to make his eyes move in light of Deadpool's success, which is just ????

[Dandesun]

Yeah, it's all stupid but comic fans have been engaging in conspiracy theories long before the Internet amped that up.

[Perfect Xero]

My favorite recent conspiracy theory was that Marvel was dropping their focus on the X-Men comics to stick it to FOX, yet Deadpool is in about 1/3rd of the current books.

 

The eyes sound like a camera aperture focusing, which fits nicely with Peter being a photographer.

[Trini]

I've watched a number of reaction videos to the new trailer on youtube and every other person says that Spider-Man has "Deadpool eyes" and as a True Fan™ it's enraging because Deadpool stole that from SPIDER-MAN.

 

Well that's stupid. The whole expressive eye/mask thing is standard in comic book art; it's only now that it's been able to be translated with a live-action character.

[nobodyyoucare]

Well that's stupid. The whole expressive eye/mask thing is standard in comic book art; it's only now that it's been able to be translated with a live-action character.

Translated well in these two cases. 

[benteen]

The Vision does like wearing suits. 

 

Marvel's Vision series has been a really good and off-beat one I'd like to add.

[Bruinsfan]

My favorite recent conspiracy theory was that Marvel was dropping their focus on the X-Men comics to stick it to FOX, yet Deadpool is in about 1/3rd of the current books.

It was, however, a fair cop for the Fantastic Four. At least they got shuffled offstage in a somewhat respectful fashion by the big Marvel reboot.

[VCRTracking]

The way Jonathan Hickman did that in Secret Wars was brilliant. I think it's clear that as a concept the Fantastic Four were more suited for the 60s and the incredible comic book stories by Lee and Kirby. Modern movies just can't capture what made them great.

[Kromm]

The way Jonathan Hickman did that in Secret Wars was brilliant. I think it's clear that as a concept the Fantastic Four were more suited for the 60s and the incredible comic book stories by Lee and Kirby. Modern movies just can't capture what made them great.

With respect... bullhockey. The people at Fox making the attempts just aren't doing it. They keep trying to reinvent it rather than concentrate on what actually made it work in the first place. 

 

While it wasn't perfect, look at the animated version from a few years ago. It was actually decent. 

[Dandesun]

As opposed to Scott Summers. 

 

The FF did get a terrific send off. It had heart and optimism.

 

Scott got killed off, off panel, as a sacrificial lamb to usher in the Inhumans as the new mutants. Ugh. And the thing is, I like a lot of the inhumans but their story isn't exactly... nice. MCU will probably clean up a lot of their 'we treat those who aren't affected by the terrigen mists or don't have particularly useful powers as second class citizens... if that' background.

[benteen]

As opposed to Scott Summers. 

 

The FF did get a terrific send off. It had heart and optimism.

 

Scott got killed off, off panel, as a sacrificial lamb to usher in the Inhumans as the new mutants. Ugh. And the thing is, I like a lot of the inhumans but their story isn't exactly... nice. MCU will probably clean up a lot of their 'we treat those who aren't affected by the terrigen mists or don't have particularly useful powers as second class citizens... if that' background.

 

Marvel really needs to learn how to separate their movie universe and their comic universe.  Newsflash…people aren’t going to start reading more comics because they liked the movies.  So stop trying to make the comics like the movies when the movies are supposed to be adaptations of the comics!

 

Marvel might do very well with their with their Inhumans movie.  We’ll see.  But in the comic world The X-Men were Marvel’s top-selling comics for 20 years while the Inhumans are an obscure footnote at best.  The Inhumans will NEVER replace the X-Men in the comic world despite Disney Marvel’s best efforts to do so.  So I wish they would stop altering their comics to fit their movie universe.  It’s stupid and will result in exactly ZERO new sales.

[Danny Franks]

My favorite recent conspiracy theory was that Marvel was dropping their focus on the X-Men comics to stick it to FOX, yet Deadpool is in about 1/3rd of the current books.

 

Well Marvel have been trying for years to make the Avengers the centrepiece of their comic book universe. And it's never worked. They had superstar writers like Bendis, massive 'event' storylines focusing on the Avengers and excluded the X-Men from them as much as possible. In my view it's not 'sticking it to Fox' so much as just trying to make the most money out of the properties they do have under their control. But the Avengers have never had the fan devotion that the X-Men have.

 

It's just a shame that Fox are so bad at making X-Men movies. But then, I think Marvel are struggling to make good movies now too. The relatively under the radar ones like Guardians and Ant-Man were fun, but the big, 'attraction' movies aren't really impressing me any more. And I still want a Winter Soldier Netflix series. But then, I still want a Gambit one too, instead of the shitefest that his movie is sure to be.

[Demented Daisy]

My favorite recent conspiracy theory was that Marvel was dropping their focus on the X-Men comics to stick it to FOX, yet Deadpool is in about 1/3rd of the current books.

 

 

The Complex is not a recent conspiracy theory.  In fact, it all started way back in 2013 -- here's a timeline of Complex-related articles, tweets, interviews, etc.

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qiQAw0-bPz1nPH-xsuEf5G24_-wa8Yeb7C5-iu6fdYY/edit

 

Deadpool is an Avenger now, BTW.

[Kromm]

The Complex is not a recent conspiracy theory.  In fact, it all started way back in 2013 -- here's a timeline of Complex-related articles, tweets, interviews, etc.

 

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qiQAw0-bPz1nPH-xsuEf5G24_-wa8Yeb7C5-iu6fdYY/edit

 

Deadpool is an Avenger now, BTW.

Is he 4th wall breaking as an Avenger?

I know that She-Hulk did the same thing at one point, and I believe has been in one or more team books since then, and that aspect totally went bye.

Edited March 19, 2016 by Kromm

[Danny Franks]

Deadpool as an Avenger is ridiculous. As ridiculous as when they made Wolverine one. Yes, from a commercial point of view it makes sense, but from a character point of view it's absurd. Deadpool would love to be an Avenger, but not one single person on any Avengers team would ever tolerate him for more than five minutes. He's an unstable, dangerous, amoral jackass who can't take anything seriously.

[nobodyyoucare]

Uncanny Avengers has had a roster that in prior storylines would be unacceptable. From wikipedia.

 

Current Members:
Cable
Doctor Voodoo
Deadpool
Human Torch
Quicksilver
Rogue (field leader)
Steve Rogers (leader)
Synapse
Former Members:
Captain America (Wilson)
Havok
Sabretooth
Scarlet Witch
Spider-Man
Odinson
Sunfire
Wasp
Wolverine
Wonder Man
Vision

 

Deadpool has been on several Avengers and other superhero teams such as the Great Lakes Avengers, S.H.i.E.L.D, Heroes for Hire etc. 

[Danny Franks]

 

Deadpool has been on several Avengers and other superhero teams such as the Great Lakes Avengers, S.H.i.E.L.D, Heroes for Hire etc.

I know what teams he's been on, and most of them were just for comic effect or because they were shady in some way. The Avengers are meant to be the epitome of the superhero community, the highest honour for anyone to be asked to join. Marvel putting Deadpool on a team is just indicative of how they're willing to abandon their own precepts in order to try finding a few more dollars.

[VCRTracking]