S07.E15: Don't Be All, Like, Uncool

[ScoobieDoobs]

Damn, if Lu ain't starting to look like Caitlyn in that first pic, I gotta get my eyes checked-

 

 http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/why-countess-luann-thinks-shes-the-voice-of-every-generation/

Edited July 15, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[Mountainair]

So, I've said my piece on naked man gate and I'm moving on to the rest of the episode.

Amidst all of this I totally forgot what the shirt even said but I actually really liked Carol's workout shirt and I'm not usually a fan of her style choices. It something like Lettuce Turnip The Beets. I dunno. It made me chuckle.

Even though Beth and Kristen seemed to have made amends at the bedazzle party I did enjoy Kristen telling Beth, "at this point what makes you think I even want to be your friend?" In regards to press-gate.

So, the night after The FU dinner and naked man they had to pack up and leave? Whew! They can hang better than me because I like to party with the best of them but the night before traveling? I'm going to bed early with a glass of water thank you very much.

Ramona just needs someone, once to put her in her place. It's amazing how she comes away unscathed always. Even at the reunions she can refuse to answer questions and no one batts a fake eyelash!

[sasha206]

Heather might have flown off the handle a bit, but when you are taken by surprise by seeing a naked man sleeping in an adjacent room ..it can freak someone put. If they'd known ahead of time...the door would have been locked, perhaps both heather and Carole would have slept with clothes on, etc.

http://www.chicagonow.com/confessions-coffeeholic/2015/07/the-great-gatsby-real-housewives-kardashian-spinoff/

 

I totally agree.  Heather wasn't in the wrong. And as far as her amping it up for the cameras, I think she was reacting normally -- she was getting more and more aggravated because of the runaround she was getting.   Most normal people would have said, "Heather I am so sorry.  It's no excuse but I was really drunk and didn't even think about how inappropriate it was not to have told you and not to have made sure they left the house..."  But instead, Heather just heard, "Don't be like, uncool."

[Brooke0707]

Hopefully with Heather gone, Carole will follow. She brings nothing to the show. She also can slide in really nasty comments (like catching LuAnn being the worst thing to ever see - no Carole, catching you in the act would be much much worse). Funny how Ms. Wannabe Carrie Bradshaw is all about being free spirited and cool, until her BFF aka master tells her that she should be angry about the guy sleeping over and then she flips out about something she never even saw firsthand.

 

I really hope Heather is gone. I've never liked her. She always has that creepy smile on her face and she is the fakest of all the housewives IMO. Super self-righteous and arrogant - and has no story to offer - please remove her from my screen.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Brooke0707

[archer1267]

I don't know why but I am a bit obsessed with the whole house manager thing. I just don't believe he is associated with property management but with Bravo. It is probably just a production label meaning he is in charge of activities and production taking place in the house. It is just hard for me to fathom paying thousands of dollars to rent a private house and then have some so called 'house manager' try to tell you who you should and shouldn't be entertaining.  And then turn around and be a complete gossip and telling the other ladies about the marital status of the guys. At that echelon and price point it is about discretion and privacy or at least it ought to be.

 

 

I hadn't really thought about the house manager thing but it makes perfect sense that Bravo would have hand-picked a young, attractive house manager (and done the same thing in St. Barth's). Not that Alistair was an actor, but maybe Bravo was hoping that some antics would ensue. Nothing serious, but along the lines of Sonja throwing herself (unsuccessfully) at one of the house staff in St. Barth's. And you're absolutely right that anyone paying $4K a night for Bella Vita would expect nothing less than complete discretion from house staff. It reminds me of the beef LuAnn had with Sonja, and rightfully so, about the facialist gossiping about her clients.

 

I will never forget the camera shot of the naked man's juice. Priceless.

 

 

But did he use a coaster?? Did his glass cause a ring on the coffee table? Bravo, you can't tease us with that shot and not tell the whole story! ;-)

[ScoobieDoobs]

I'm kinda puzzled by the timing of the announcement of Heather's exit from the show -- the morning after she was on WWHL & acted like nothing was amiss.  OK then.  She clearly knew.  Carole knew.  Satan Andy of course knew.  Eh, once again Satan Andy is full of crap.  Color me not surprised.

 

Look, Heather is not getting much outta this gig.  She ain't in the same position as Bethenny.  Bethenny was able to get in a billion Skinnygirl promos.  We didn't hear shit bout Yummie.  I don't blame her for taking off.  If Carole is smart, she'd take this as her cue to leave also.  And Kristen hasn't much chance of being asked back. Guess she sealed her fate when she dared to discuss Bethenny to media.  So it leaves some spots open & hopefully major changes will be coming.  This ep was kinda fun, but how many times can they repeat this "Golden Girls on Spring Break" shit?

Edited July 15, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[shoegal]

 

 

As to the snark and slut shaming, especially on WWHL, I think it makes me dislike Carole even more then Heather. Not hard, since I generally dislike Carole. But all season long she has put on this Sex and the City persona. She has made sexual comments in every situation (remember the names she wanted to give to Kristen's nail polish colors) and generally wants to be seen as too cool for school. So for her to be commenting on Luann's sexual behavior is beyond hypocritical. She should be embracing Luann as the Samantha to her Carrie.

 

Because I love a SATC reference (hence my screen name) there was the time that Carrie got all judgey and slut shamey when she walked in on Samantha and the World Wide Express guy!

[LotusFlower]

Look, I'm still on loud music.  It doesn't have to *blare*, this is my vacation too, if I can hear your Pandora at 3 o'clock in the morning, you don't get to be pissed that I'm banging down your door.....at 9:30.

Such a great point. I just love LuAnn's hypocrisy, and faux, calculated, after-the-fact outrage.

[jennylauren123]

I'm amazed by the bods of these women who have had children, especially the ones near 50 or even older.

 

It just does not seem possible. Have they all had surgery? Do they eat? Their tummies just do not show the normal wear and tear. Maybe Sonja's does, but I actually think that she has had work done. You can eat well, work out lots and all, but usually a pregnancy has some effect.

 

Or do I show it a bit because my son was 8 pounds 12 ounces?

Edited July 15, 2015 by jennylauren123

[motorcitymom65]

Wait, What? LOL This coming from the woman that "preached" about walking into a restaurant, the same woman that "preached" about using the F bomb and how she is "pure"! Ummm, pot meet kettle! Dorinda is as "preachy" as Heather has ever been! LOL

I don't get the "preachy" label assigned to Heather any more than I do to the rest of them. Certainly I can never take Dorinda seriously again after hearing her say that. She is as preachy as anyone on the show. There are the examples above, but seriously, read this girls Twitter feed. She has judged the women on the trip for wearing their bathing suits with no cover-ups, asserting they are too old to be running around like that, chastised Lu for swimming topless in the ocean, judged the other women for talking about Sonja's drinking, when she herself has been involved in the conversation herself. Since the beginning of the season, she has 10-20 tweets an episode that are all either very preachy or judgmental about the other women. And she has a judgement about everything.

At the end of the day, I cannot believe that a show with Countess Luann on it, she of the advice on how to properly behave, could count Heather as the preachy one. Hell, I would say that Ramona, with her "only people who cannot afford to live in the Hamptons chose to live in the Berkshires" is much more preachy than Heather. Maybe it just sounds different on Heather because she is actually smart and knows what she is talking about, while the others are a bit dim so it sounds different?

[lunastartron]

So no one has a right to tell Heather and Carole that they're response to the situation was over the top, even when said response includes schizophrenic revisionism that eventually balloons into an out and out fabrication ("my bed"). But Heather has every right to tell LuAnn that her response is reflective of inferior "values" and "ethics." So no one can tell HC that their feelings are incorrect but they can tell Lu's that hers are. And no one can tell HC that they shouldn't feel violated by Ro's breach of etiquette and privacy but they can tell Lu that she has no right to feel violated by their decision to charge into her room while she's sleeping, a breach of privacy. Lu was not involved in the offense over which HC were clutching their pearls. By the time she walked into the kitchen, they knew this. So if her expression of a different perspective on the naked man sans raised voice is "rudely dismissive" to the point that the slut shaming is a natural response, then it should be totally cool for everyone at which Heather screams, howls, curses, and/or otherwise attacks ("I can tell you whatever the fuck I want to tell you!"; "get the fuck out of here!"; etc) to invoke morals, "ethics," and "values" in order to convey that Heather is debased and deviant.

[Mrs peel]

But the thing is Lu didn't leave the dude unattended. From what I can gather Lu and Ramona brought guys home and continued to party after having been out. At some point the party broke up and Lu got it on to some extent with her dude (I presume they had sex, but didn't see it so don't know) after having whatever way she had with her Scotsman, Lu then got him out of the house. I would think she had done so before going to sleep herself. Whatever the deal, there doesn't seem to be any point where Lu left her dude to his own devices. Why would she?

 

It was Ramona who left the guy in the bed in Bethenny's room, next to Heather and Carole's room. It was Ramona's guy who was left to his own devices for a period of time. That's nothing to do with Lu. At all. And yet it was Lu who Carole and Heather went after. Sure it's probably not cool to bring a guy back regardless, but Lu's guy left the premises hours earlier from all accounts. Somehow it became all Lu's fault that there was a guy in the room next to theirs. 

 

As to the snark and slut shaming, especially on WWHL, I think it makes me dislike Carole even more then Heather. Not hard, since I generally dislike Carole. But all season long she has put on this Sex and the City persona. She has made sexual comments in every situation (remember the names she wanted to give to Kristen's nail polish colors) and generally wants to be seen as too cool for school. So for her to be commenting on Luann's sexual behavior is beyond hypocritical. She should be embracing Luann as the Samantha to her Carrie.

 

And regarding Carole - just what is her story this season? She hangs out? She gets together with Bethenny and is cool? She's got a young boyfriend we don't see? As much as I love to hate on Ramona, Carole is more annoying to me.

Word to all of this.  I will say I don't understand why, upon reflection (like at the decorate our jeans - what, they're 12 years old?  I digress!), LuAnn couldn't have said "you know, I was woken from a sound sleep, and didn't realize what had happened.  I'm sorry you had that experience, but remember it wasn't my doing.  Go yell at Ramona some more."

 

From Kris's blog:

Oh man, this whole "be cool, don’t be all uncool" situation is the worst. I was just waking up when I heard all the commotion. Dorinda and I were watching it all unfold from above. I went downstairs and spoke to the house boy and he told me the whole story including that the guy was married and about how the ladies were trashed and met these guys, etc. I'm like a freakin' detective.

Hmm…if Dorinda was watching from upstairs, then she was deliberately avoiding responding to Heather and Carole’s questions.  Not cool.  She may not have known how the guy ended upstairs, but she certainly knew guys were brought home.

I think Dorinda was appalled to be caught in a bathing suit, without a cover-up on, plus no makeup and no contacts....squatting in front of her suitcase!! 

And exactly why was Dorinda in the hallway with her suitcase?  That made no sense to me.  And is she so vain that she comes downstairs without her glasses?

Notice even Sonja knew better than to do this.  She said to the cam, don't bring it home.

ScoobieDoobs.  I didn’t hear her say that, but she did say that you don’t bring the children with you when you plan to have “fun.”  

 

Sonja didn’t know better.  Based on Kristin’s blog, I’m beginning to think she just couldn’t find a guy, or she lost out in a game of 3 women/2 men musical beds.  She was certainly hanging around long enough to manage to get into bed with Ramona before morning.  To which I say “Ewwww”.

 

Heather said that she and LuAnn have very different morals/ethics but she never said/implied that it made LuAnn a "morally deviant creature" and they were talking about walking into a room "seeing" a strange naked guy asleep, not anyone having sex with a random stranger

Just saying they have different morals/ethics IS indeed slut-shaming LuAnn, considering sex was part of the conversation (as well as whether LuAnn’s guy was married).  Certainly Heather wasn’t’ trying to say her own morals/ethics were bad. 

 

I think the person who was hoping LuAnn might get caught with her hand in the cookie jar was Ramona.  She didn't send the Bobsey Twins to talk to Luann just to get them off her case.   iI think she was totally hoping Luann still had her Scotsman in her room and Ramona was setting her up to get caught so that all the attention her seriously bad judgment was receiving would be diverted to the Countess.

Celia, that’s brilliant!  Never thought of that.

 

For the record, I thought Heather had every right to be upset, and I thought her reaction was out of fear.  But I thought she got over the top, likely because her concerns were ignored. 

[ZaldamoWilder]

Because I love a SATC reference (hence my screen name) there was the time that Carrie got all judgey and slut shamey when she walked in on Samantha and the World Wide Express guy!

 

To be fair, Samantha's office was made of glass and her door was unlocked.  Um, and she was on her knees delivering a hummer, to a dude whose name she still didn't know after that encounter.   If you can't judge that, turn in your girl card.  Lol.

 

I'm amazed by the bods of these women who have had children, especially the ones near 50 or even older.

 

It just does not seem possible. Have they all had surgery? Do they eat? Their tummies just do not show the normal wear and tear. Maybe Sonja's does, but I actually think that she has had work done. You can eat well, work out lots and all, but usually a pregnancy has some effect.

 

Or do I show it a bit because my son was 8 pounds 12 ounces?

 

I was catching up on last week's episode and lil Zaldamo was watching with me.  Ramona and Sonja were on the beach after having beaten everybody to the Gansevoort suite (probably to get the best room, but I digress) and I said that lady you're looking at is 58 years old.  She uttered a resoundingly articulate:  N'UH. UNH.   To which I responded y'uh huh and she scooted closer to the television.  Finally she pronounced:  it must be nice to have money.    Mouths of babes.

 

No girl you show because your body did what it was designed to do.  We're designed to be soft and mushy and bulbous in places men don't need to worry about because they don't feed civilization.  <-- Sorry, I know that's a lot but I have to give making us all feel better a shot lol.  The good news is real talk I have the name and number of a doc that can cut all that shit off the front and stick on the back if you want.

[zoeysmom]

Also, in any case, what made the point for me was that Heather was walking through rooms (since she expected it to be empty) NAKED or partially naked so in all honesty she actually experienced something that justifies the outrage. She was walking around naked and pulling on her robe because she was under the impression that she was alone. Had he already been awake and facing her she would have walked through while donning her robe and therefore naked for him to see. That right there is enough for me to have been in a full outrage.

I think if she had time to go to the bathroom and brush her teeth she had time to tie her robe. This is shared space-Heather and Carole had an expectation of privacy in their immediate sleeping quarters and their bathroom.  This nonsense they keep saying of "our room" is hyperbole. They didn't have more or less say what happened in that room Bethenny had occupied than Kristen and Dorinda did,  Tie your robe before going into  space not under your control.  So if the chef got there early and went upstairs to take Dorinda's order and Heather came around the corner with her robe open she would have the same claim to invasion of privacy or the house manager went upstairs to check on something and saw Heather tying her robe?  Forty eight hours earlier Heather was pulling her pants down and Bethenny's for the cameras to capture.  I support her right to be displeased, startled and civilly inquiring but not accusing the wrong people, storming into bedrooms and failing to apologize for her part in rude behavior.  Most of all after accepting Ramona's apology I feel like she should have said, "Ramona you were wrong to punt to LuAnn and now we both owe her an apology."

[racked]

If Heather/Carol/Kristen are really gone, who will be B's adversary? She always needs one. Ramona may be willing to play the role, but at this point no one ever really goes after Ramona and it's boring to watch that over and over. Will it be some new chick? 

 

Are we all sure B is coming back another season? I'm hot and cold with every single cast member, but I have to admit her Dorinda impression was hilarious.

[watcherwoman]

In a defense of the ladies bringing home the dudes, I'm assuming that secluded vacation spot has 24 hour security. I wouldn't stay there if there weren't any guards full time. Those places scream money, so maybe the ladies felt safe because there was protection.

If I met a guy on vacation in T & C, in a dance club, and that guy was hanging on me and could spend the night at my place, I would assume he was single. How many married guys could do that? I can believe LuAnn didn't know his marital status. It's possible that someone at the bar, someone LuAnn trusted, casually knew her guy and said the man was okay. We really don't know. Or perhaps, LuAnn just liked what she saw, and decided she wanted to bed him. I guess we'll never know.

Edited to add, LuAnn and Ramona had to have mentioned they were filming a reality show to their guys. I can't imagine many married men would want to walk into that environment. I just don't believe LuAnn knew her guy was married.

Edited July 15, 2015 by watcherwoman

[Mrs peel]

Adding another reply to say, on topics not involving naked men:

 

Bethenny, shut up!  You don't control who gets to talk to the press about you!  And kudos to Kristin for responding "who says I want to be friends?"

 

Dorinda honey, you had far, far more than 3 martinis that night.  Or perhaps it was 3 martinis and then you switched out to just vodka or wine.  .

 

On the LuAnn crown symbol - she mentioned at the jeans party that that is the logo for her clothing collection.  Not sure the bathrobe crown was the logo, on the jeans I thought I saw the initials CL.

[ScoobieDoobs]

Sonja didn’t know better.

 

Well, I noticed Sonja really contradicted herself.  When Kristen said one of one of the guys was married & Lu threw her hands up & laughed, Sonja said it was no big deal, kids were not around & this kind of behavior should be expected on vacays (bringing guys back).  But I do remember Sonja also saying something to the effect of, you shouldn't bring your random hookups back home.  So she was all over the place -- er, as usual.

Edited July 15, 2015 by ScoobieDoobs

[athousandclowns]

SistaLadybug  I am all out of likes but I actually cried from your post. The visuals too much. There are some seriously hilarious posters on here.

[BeachyMum]

What the hell happened to one of my favorite shows?! It's far too much crazy, pointless drama. I am appalled by the way these ladies speak and treat each other.  The TH with Beth making fun of Dorinda's speech impediment was too much.  These ladies need manners STAT

[TV Diva Queen]

Tearing around the house.  Barging into rooms. Crying. Throwing back curtains.  Interrogation before 10a.m.  Wild, wild gesticulation. More crying.  "I come down here on a nice trip with my friends and you bring a stranger that you don't even know and you've been drinking and your judgment's impaired and you let them sleep right across from me and Carole...and...and...." More crying = hysterics.

 

I had to watch that scene again to see if Carole was asking most of the questions.  Not so much.  Heather is totally leading the charge.  And Carole is following (per usual).  By the time they hit Lu's room, they might as well be synchronized swimming for as much as Carole is repeating and gesticulating exactly like Heather.  Hilarious. That part, in Lu's room is now my all time favorite example of how far Carole is up Heather's butt.

I always read the whole thread before commenting....BUT I couldn't chance letting this GEM get away from everyone!!! You win the internet today!

[thesupremediva1]

I fear for anyone who thinks Satan Andy's camera crew would keep them safe. And rest assured, I'd never go on vacation with them. 

 

I, personally, did not see any slut shaming. I think that's a convenient buzzword being thrown around at the moment. Heather and Carole were angry - and justifiably so - not because someone brought a stranger home, but because their safety was well and truly put at risk. I've had roommates and vacation buddies bring guys home. It's usually fine. The "strange man" typically stays with my friend in a private environment. They leave or they are invited to stay and introduced to the group. It doesn't have to be awkward unless someone behaves like a callous jackass, and that's what Ramona did here.

 

Letting your conquest have free reign to move about the house and knowingly/unknowingly allowing him to sleep in the same room as your girl friends? That's the very definition of uncool. Heather, in a glorious Housewives twist of blame, was being jettisoned for her reaction to the situation. The whole "Do you even know his name?" had zero to do with slutty behavior and everything to do with her trying to impress upon these imbeciles that they had no clue what they unleashed on the other women. I'd be pissed as hell if some strange dude stole my jewelry, and let's be honest, that's one of the better scenarios. Someone could have been attacked. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together understands that. You can't bring a strange man to the house and not keep an eye on him - especially at 3 a.m. when your friends are sleeping and no one knows what's going on.

 

I also understand the scale and depth of Heather's anger and the way she unleashed it because no one would apologize or take ownership of the risky behavior. I, too, would have been fuming. Lu was livid? How cute. Go talk to good ol' Ramona about proper safety measures and common sense. And don't defend the insanity. 

 

My biggest issue was that Lu and Ramona and D were all "It's none of your business who we screw." That theory holds water until the person you mess around with ends up naked in my room - WITHOUT YOU - in any capacity. Due to their drunken stupor and poor choices, they made it Heather and Carole's business. I am a huge defender of the old guard, but I'm Team New Broads here. 

Edited July 15, 2015 by thesupremediva1

[ZaldamoWilder]

What the hell happened to one of my favorite shows?! It's far too much crazy, pointless drama. I am appalled by the way these ladies speak and treat each other.  The TH with Beth making fun of Dorinda's speech impediment was too much.  These ladies need manners STAT

 

Beachymum, this is not meant to be condescending at all, I promise, but I swear on my Snapple peach iced tea, I laughed out loud at this.  It's honest to God so trusting that I want to tacklehug you.  If these heffas grew some manners, I'd quit them, for real.

[zoeysmom]

here is The Vulture recap complete with a surprise ending .  http://www.vulture.com/2015/07/real-housewives-new-york-city-recap-season-7-episode-15.html  Very CSI

[HumblePi]

I missed that....but will definately re-watch :)

 

I give Heather a lot of props for how successful she is in life...be it with her business, her marriage, her son, etc.  There are also other things I like about her as a person.  She's confident, tough, unapologetic, and like Bethany said, she does seem to be able to get over things and move on (not easy for most).

 

But I agree with Dorinda that she is preachy and I just have a hard time with that.  I can take it far more for Bethany than from her and I'm not sure why.  I think a big difference is Bethany comes from a place of "making sense" .... logic.  Heather comes from a place of "right vs. wrong" .... judgment.

 

I get that she was upset about the naked guy and I suppose rightfully so to a point, but how she responded was completely over the top and uncool (loving LuAnn right now).

 

Damn, if Lu ain't starting to look like Caitlyn in that first pic, I gotta get my eyes checked-

 

 http://nypost.com/2015/07/14/why-countess-luann-thinks-shes-the-voice-of-every-generation/

[kassa]

We don’t know what experiences Heather may or may not have had that made her feel especially vulnerable in that situation.

 

We’ve seen the same women wringing their hands over the danger that Sonja is in when she goes home with drunk strangers – how is leaving a drunk stranger in a room across from your housemate’s open bedroom door any safer? Was Sonja’s only problem that she didn’t offer her randos the obligatory screening bottle of juice?

[Granimal]

Heather saying, "I guess Luanne and I have different values and morals" is the epitome of slut shaming. Equating a grown woman's sexual behavior with values and morals does not fly. Period. There were many more examples that I have recounted in earlier posts and am too lazy to find them again, but the intent to shame was pretty obvious IMO.

 

A woman of Heather's status, yeah- it would be a huge liability (and PR nightmare) for her to get assaulted on Bravo's time.

 

I guess its all irrelevant since Heather has left the show now.

 

 

[Sincerely Yours]

I think if she had time to go to the bathroom and brush her teeth she had time to tie her robe. This is shared space-Heather and Carole had an expectation of privacy in their immediate sleeping quarters and their bathroom. 

Shared space amongst WOMEN and women that they KNOW. I personally think just the basic facts of what went down minus all the other details are enough to side with Heather. Tied robe or not, one room away or a bathroom and a room away. Being blindsided is just that being blindsided and considering the particulars in this case I don't really see any wiggle room with regards to the details surrounding untied robes, which wives man it was, sleeping penis vs. awake penis or who to scream at. Tell ya what I'd still be mad cause what if I was picking my nose or putting in my fake teeth or flicking my clit when his presence comes to my attention? Whatever the case, someone I don't know has been granted access to seeing me in an intimate setting without MY knowledge or permission. Doesn't jive with me no matter how Beth's skilled hands or Carole's sperm chef slices and dices it.

 

Reckless behavior isn't a cool fad that must be accepted by these women just because others want to engage in such behaviors. Not one bit.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[selhars]

A show PRODUCER(S), knew the men came back right?

Did none of them stay up, to make SURE either they the men left, OR that they stayed where they belonged (with the woman they came with. I'm not saying sit outside the door and listen.....I'm talking about making DAMN sure that some STRANGER two of the women brought home when they were DRUNK and IMPAIRED, didn't so some thing crazy.

 

Oh, the men were only interested in hooking up and wouldn't do anything crazy with so many people around? Really? God forbid one of the men HAD gotten up to go to the kitchen OR bathroom or pool...and gone back to the wrong room? If you're drunk and in a house you don't know they could have very easily done that (quite innocently actually).

 

Heather was ABSOLUTELY right to go off of LuAnn and Ramona. I would have been all in their shit AND the producers too and not saved it for the camera.  There IS no defense or justification for what happened none -- period.

Edited July 15, 2015 by selhars

[Granimal]

I haven't defended Luanne or Ramona once. I have said numerous times that Heather has the right to feel how she felt. Just like all of us posters have the right to how we feel. All I have written about is how I don't like Heather's slut-shaming. period. I don't like the way that Heather handled the situation. And that's okay.

 

I think that its possible to separate the action from the reaction and to find both or neither wrong.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Granimal

[Cherrio]

I agree with LilaFowler.

Bethenny called Luann a snake and she got it right years ago.

 

Bravo is outing her finally for TRYING to portray a classy woman.  Of course imo, she has never been successful at it.

She was and still is a nobody from Conn. who has never been able to pull off being a somebody. She comes off as dumb and I have always noticed she will quickly repeat someone else's funny line and try to make it her own. Not to mention being a world class passive aggressive coward.

 

 I have always thought the Count could put up with it because he lived apart and she wasn't embarrassing him anymore. But, once she hit the show, he was out for good.

        All the women on the show have hinted, sometimes strongly that Luann is a total phony on the show. They have also said the real Luann is likable at times when she is being her smoking, drinking and sleeping with anyone self.

 

          I would of been very angry too , to wake up with strangers in the house.   It also is very telling that they didn't care that other people were sleeping when they came back and started blasting music.

              Sounds like the jig is up for Luann at the reunion.  Its about time.      I like Heather, not so much Carole.

[ZaldamoWilder]

If a tree falls in the forest........Can we really call it slut shaming if the trollop in question is not the least bit ashamed? 

 

verklempt.  talk amongst yaselves.

[Cherrio]

Heather saying, "I guess Luanne and I have different values and morals" is the epitome of slut shaming. Equating a grown woman's sexual behavior with values and morals does not fly. Period. There were many more examples that I have recounted in earlier posts and am too lazy to find them again, but the intent to shame was pretty obvious IMO.

 

A woman of Heather's status, yeah- it would be a huge liability (and PR nightmare) for her to get assaulted on Bravo's time.

 

I guess its all irrelevant since Heather has left the show now.

I did not take what Heather said as slut shaming at all.  Imo, what she was saying is that she would of never involved other people (especially who were sleeping) in bringing strangers into the home.    They were putting others at risk and had absolutely no concern and couldn't of cared less about their trip mates.

               Heck,  even without the men, I wouldn't sleep anywhere near Dorinda. She is one hell of a mean and crazy drunk.

               Technically, as far as Bravo is concerned, I think they are being hyper vigilant now because a lot of these women are not stable and have serious drinking and drug issues.

[Crikey]

I did some research and found the guy's name  Jock McCock.  He was in T&C for the McCock clan reunion.  Apparently there was plenty of McCock to go around.  He woke to find a blue ribbon tied around his prized possession (anyone know the song?).  The last line is "Lad, I don't know where ya've been but I see you won first prize!"

  :)

[ryebread]

I'm kinda puzzled by the timing of the announcement of Heather's exit from the show -- the morning after she was on WWHL & acted like nothing was amiss.  OK then.  She clearly knew.  Carole knew.  Satan Andy of course knew.  

 

Maybe Heather didn't know.  Until she got home, watched the tape and realized that she'd reached an all time low and decided it wasn't worth the paycheck. Called Andy at 2 a.m.  "Holla, muthafucka.  I quit yo ass."

 

If it's true, leaving this show voluntarily is one of the handfuls of times I've managed to find some respect for Heather.  It's kind of like how I felt when the one with the pothead for a mother quit the OC.  Except I kind of liked her.

[kassa]

I think Bravo was more concerned about strangers in a house full of cameras and sound equipment than the women themselves.  Presumably they are bunked down in the other half of the house, but that doesn't mean they want to secure all the set ups already in place in the common areas.  So my thought is that the "manager" (i.e. production guy in charge) wanted to go to bed and not worry about unauthorized people on property. THAT's why he didn't want the "strangers" coming in.

 

And I suspect that after all of this happened he got an earful from HIS bosses, because he either said "screw it" and went to bed himself, or he sat up the whole night knowing the guys were upstairs and not knowing what they were doing or where they were doing it.  

Edited July 15, 2015 by kassa

[WireWrap]

So no one has a right to tell Heather and Carole that they're response to the situation was over the top, even when said response includes schizophrenic revisionism that eventually balloons into an out and out fabrication ("my bed"). But Heather has every right to tell LuAnn that her response is reflective of inferior "values" and "ethics." So no one can tell HC that their feelings are incorrect but they can tell Lu's that hers are. And no one can tell HC that they shouldn't feel violated by Ro's breach of etiquette and privacy but they can tell Lu that she has no right to feel violated by their decision to charge into her room while she's sleeping, a breach of privacy. Lu was not involved in the offense over which HC were clutching their pearls. By the time she walked into the kitchen, they knew this. So if her expression of a different perspective on the naked man sans raised voice is "rudely dismissive" to the point that the slut shaming is a natural response, then it should be totally cool for everyone at which Heather screams, howls, curses, and/or otherwise attacks ("I can tell you whatever the fuck I want to tell you!"; "get the fuck out of here!"; etc) to invoke morals, "ethics," and "values" in order to convey that Heather is debased and deviant.

First, have YOU never been so mad/scared/startled that you got things mixed up, confused your "story/what you saw"? I have, it had nothing to do with trying to lie, make someone else look worse, it was that I was in a panic and could not see straight to save my life. If you have never experienced this, count yourself very, very luck indeed!

 

In a defense of the ladies bringing home the dudes, I'm assuming that secluded vacation spot has 24 hour security. I wouldn't stay there if there weren't any guards full time. Those places scream money, so maybe the ladies felt safe because there was protection.

If I met a guy on vacation in T & C, in a dance club, and that guy was hanging on me and could spend the night at my place, I would assume he was single. How many married guys could do that? I can believe LuAnn didn't know his marital status. It's possible that someone at the bar, someone LuAnn trusted, casually knew her guy and said the man was okay. We really don't know. Or perhaps, LuAnn just liked what she saw, and decided she wanted to bed him. I guess we'll never know.

Edited to add, LuAnn and Ramona had to have mentioned they were filming a reality show to their guys. I can't imagine many married men would want to walk into that environment. I just don't believe LuAnn knew her guy was married.

According to the Villa's website, they have a "24 hour security SYSTEM", in other words, no guards, just an alarm system.

[escatefromny]

I'm so confused by the fact that it was such a big surprise to Heather to find a straggler from the previous night's party still hanging around in the morning. At the very least, summer share houses are very popular for NYers and this dynamic (close quarters with partying strangers) is something familiar to anyone lives in NY.

Heather makes a big point of saying that she was disturbed by the loud music, she must have heard male voices - it doesn't take a genius to figure out what would come next for the hot to trot ladies.

See which way the wind is blowing, secure your valuables, lock your door and get on with your life. I just don't buy there was any element of surprise to finding someone still around from the party that started a mere 6 hours prior.

Also, can we please talk about Heather trapping Dorito in the corner of a bathroom while physically fending off Ramona? Yea, I get it, Ramona is a batshit crazy, vicious harpy but Heather and her uncontrolled controlling nature and her physicality is beyond anything on the spectrum of normal. Girl seems to have some very serious issues. Glad she's gone and think it shows her recognition that her ugly side can't be adequately disguised .... A business woman doesn't need that kind of "publicity".

[WireWrap]

I did not take what Heather said as slut shaming at all.  Imo, what she was saying is that she would of never involved other people (especially who were sleeping) in bringing strangers into the home.    They were putting others at risk and had absolutely no concern and couldn't of cared less about their trip mates.

               Heck,  even without the men, I wouldn't sleep anywhere near Dorinda. She is one hell of a mean and crazy drunk.

               Technically, as far as Bravo is concerned, I think they are being hyper vigilant now because a lot of these women are not stable and have serious drinking and drug issues.

Heather asked LuAnn if she would be upset to walk into a room and find a naked guy/stranger sleeping, LuAnn replied "No, not really" to which Heather made the comment about different morals/ethics. She did not say it in relation to LuAnn, or anyone else, about "sleeping/having sex" with a random guy. II agree, it was NOT "slut shamming"

 

I think Bravo was more concerned about strangers in a house full of cameras and sound equipment than the women themselves.  Presumably they are bunked down in the other half of the house, but that doesn't mean they want to secure all the set ups already in place in the common areas.  So my thought is that the "manager" (i.e. production guy in charge) wanted to go to bed and not worry about unauthorized people on property. THAT's why he didn't want the "strangers" coming in.

 

And I suspect that after all of this happened he got an earful from HIS bosses, because he either said "screw it" and went to bed himself, or he sat up the whole night knowing the guys were upstairs and not knowing what they were doing or where they were doing it.  

IMO, if any of the production team were at the house while the guys were there, it would have been filmed regardless of getting the guys signature on any film release. They would have just blurred them out and kept it in the show. I would imagine that they, production, would have loved getting Ramona ON CAMERA with a guy! LOL JMO

Edited July 15, 2015 by WireWrap

[SweetieDarling]

I'm so confused by the fact that it was such a big surprise to Heather to find a straggler from the previous night's party still hanging around in the morning. At the very least, summer share houses are very popular for NYers and this dynamic (close quarters with partying strangers) is something familiar to anyone lives in NY.

Heather makes a big point of saying that she was disturbed by the loud music, she must have heard male voices - it doesn't take a genius to figure out what would come next for the hot to trot ladies.

See which way the wind is blowing, secure your valuables, lock your door and get on with your life. I just don't buy there was any element of surprise to finding someone still around from the party that started a mere 6 hours prior.

Also, can we please talk about Heather trapping Dorito in the corner of a bathroom while physically fending off Ramona? Yea, I get it, Ramona is a batshit crazy, vicious harpy but Heather and her uncontrolled controlling nature and her physicality is beyond anything on the spectrum of normal. Girl seems to have some very serious issues. Glad she's gone and think it shows her recognition that her ugly side can't be adequately disguised .... A business woman doesn't need that kind of "publicity".

YES! all of this!

 

I noticed that he had the courtesy to use the bed furthest from the bathroom; was the bathroom door on that side closed?  Heather didn't mention whether or not the door was closed.

 

I still don't get why Heather waited so long before going on her rampage. She didn't even wake Carol to get out her camera to document this.  Isn't that why Carol brought the camera?

 

I was also bothered by the way Heather behaved when Ramona tried to skirt Dorinda away from her and hug her.  She was screaming at her like an angry mother to her disobedient child. And then "roping off" Dorinda with her arm and placing her body between them? WTF?  I laughed as Dorinda wriggled herself out the door.  Too funny!

[motorcitymom65]

Heather saying, "I guess Luanne and I have different values and morals" is the epitome of slut shaming. Equating a grown woman's sexual behavior with values and morals does not fly. Period. There were many more examples that I have recounted in earlier posts and am too lazy to find them again, but the intent to shame was pretty obvious IMO.

 

A woman of Heather's status, yeah- it would be a huge liability (and PR nightmare) for her to get assaulted on Bravo's time.

 

I guess its all irrelevant since Heather has left the show now.

I'm sorry, but seriously? In that there conversation Lu was being slut-shamed? God Lord, so now we have gotten to the point that if someone feels true fear from being close to a stange, naked man, and communicates that fear to someone who disagrees, they are slut shaming them? Heather didn't give two shits, fucks, or good goddamns what Lu was doing. How many times did she need to say that? Her question was: "if you woke up with a strange naked guy you didn't know that close to you, wouldn't you be afraid". She assumed, like 99% of the population, that the answer would be "why yes, Heather, I see what you mean. That might be a little bit scary. I had nothing to do with it, but I'm sorry that it happened and you were afraid". Instead she says "not really". That's when Heather said her values and ethics were different than hers. If making that comment is slut shaming, then I need to know where I can sign up to get my Slut Shamers of America Membership Card. I'll pay whatever membership fee is necessary to ensure I am a lifetime member. I'll offer to speak at their annual convention. Then I'll sign up every other person I have ever met, made eye contact with, or accidentally brushed up against.

[ryebread]

I just wish that instead of waiting so long to tell Carole about Naked Man, that Heather would have created the stir immediately after discovering him.  It might have been fun to see a naked man bolt down the stairs while holding his shoes and clothes over his privates. 

 

I'm totally surprised that after finding him lying there naked, she didn't wake Radzi up to come see.  Carole, for all her tweenish talk about penises, would've loved it.  They might've ended up giggling about naked man instead of going all Defcon1 at 10 a.m. 

 

So, why did she wait until the guy woke up, dressed, went downstairs and had juice before she told Carole?

[watcherwoman]

So I'm assuming these rooms are connected by bathroom only. The man entered his room from his own door, but could have walked through the bathroom to Heather and Carole's room. I think that's correct, something like a Jack and Jill type setup. Why didn't Heather or Carole have the bathroom door locked on the empty room side? They left their jewelry and purses out and didn't bother to lock the door to the un occupied room on that side of the bathroom?

I would have checked that door before going to sleep, just to feel safe. Plus they admitted that they knew there were men in the house.They must have felt very safe in that house to not bother to secure both doors.

Also, they did not knock when they entered Ramona and Sonja's room. So, making a big deal of knocking on LuAnn's door was kind of silly.

Edited July 15, 2015 by watcherwoman

[ryebread]

She didn't even wake Carol to get out her camera to document this.  Isn't that why Carol brought the camera?

 

LOL.  Yes, where was that confounded camera when we really needed it? 

 

Damn, Carole....you had ONE job.

[Crikey]

I'm sorry, but seriously? In that there conversation Lu was being slut-shamed? God Lord, so now we have gotten to the point that if someone feels true fear from being close to a stange, naked man, and communicates that fear to someone who disagrees, they are slut shaming them? Heather didn't give two shits, fucks, or good goddamns what Lu was doing. How many times did she need to say that? Her question was: "if you woke up with a strange naked guy you didn't know that close to you, wouldn't you be afraid". She assumed, like 99% of the population, that the answer would be "why yes, Heather, I see what you mean. That might be a little bit scary. I had nothing to do with it, but I'm sorry that it happened and you were afraid". Instead she says "not really". That's when Heather said her values and ethics were different than hers. If making that comment is slut shaming, then I need to know where I can sign up to get my Slut Shamers of America Membership Card. I'll pay whatever membership fee is necessary to ensure I am a lifetime member. I'll offer to speak at their annual convention. Then I'll sign up every other person I have ever met, made eye contact with, or accidentally brushed up against.

Brava!  Sign me up!  I want to learn the secret handshake, also!  :)

[Vicky8675309]

I'm still 1/2 ways through the posts but it sounds like the following could have happened (tongue in cheek):

Heather woke up naked after sleeping with Carol, then burst in on Ramona's guest who was sleeping as innocently as a baby (naked). She then whips Carol into a frenzy and they blitz Dorinda who is unaware of what the ruckus is about. They stormed into Ramona's room and demand to know why there is someone sleeping in the room formerly occupied by Bethanny. Ramona does the usual and then Luanne's door gets broken down. The slut shaming of Luanne begins and she is all proud of her sexual prowesses (but she only talked to a guy). Kristen vomits up something about the guy being married (it would require more intelligence than she possesses for it to be genuine 'throwing under the bus')

LOL….I know that isn't what happened

Isn't Carol the one who took some ecstasy (jelly bean or something) and got all high and threw up on her mid-life crisis sex toy? Heather was totally cool about that….

Edited July 15, 2015 by Vicky8675309

[SweetieDarling]

I'm sorry, but seriously? In that there conversation Lu was being slut-shamed? God Lord, so now we have gotten to the point that if someone feels true fear from being close to a stange, naked man, and communicates that fear to someone who disagrees, they are slut shaming them? Heather didn't give two shits, fucks, or good goddamns what Lu was doing. How many times did she need to say that? Her question was: "if you woke up with a strange naked guy you didn't know that close to you, wouldn't you be afraid". She assumed, like 99% of the population, that the answer would be "why yes, Heather, I see what you mean. That might be a little bit scary. I had nothing to do with it, but I'm sorry that it happened and you were afraid". Instead she says "not really". That's when Heather said her values and ethics were different than hers. If making that comment is slut shaming, then I need to know where I can sign up to get my Slut Shamers of America Membership Card. I'll pay whatever membership fee is necessary to ensure I am a lifetime member. I'll offer to speak at their annual convention. Then I'll sign up every other person I have ever met, made eye contact with, or accidentally brushed up against.

I absolutely agree, except that none of the women were coherent when she woke them from dead sleeps, probably still drunk. So expecting normal conversation, let alone a coherent thought, at that point was questionable.

I don't think Heather was trying to slut shame Luann either, as much as she was trying to let her know the potential danger they were put in by having this strange naked man spend the night apparently without anyone's (except Ramona and the dude by the pool on the laptop, whatever his title/position is). Luann wasn't having it, because it wasn't her man.  Hopefully, she used some of her own experience in this department to help Ramona chose a reasonably trustworthy "gentleman" to bring home.

Poor Dorinda and Sonja caught in the crossfire. Dorinda didn't want to throw Luann and Ramona under the bus, and if she did go to bed right away, how would she know if either of them spent the night? Heather immediately went to Sonja to accuse her, but she didn't know anyone had spent the night either...and then Ramona deferred to Luann, not taking any responsibility. Nice.

And, BTW, how did Heather forgive Ramona so quickly when she apologized at the bedazzling event after all that? smh

[missy jo]

Sincerely Yours, Snark Kitty, Sasha2026, and Booger666 - I agree with all of y'all that Heather's reaction was ramped up based on the non-responses they were giving her. If I'm pissed and everyone "whatever's" me, it only gets me going more, like "how are you guys not getting this?!"

 

Candall I'm guessing that Ramona was too drunk, the guy was too drunk, Ramona didn't want to screw and she just pointed him to the empty bedroom.

 

 

This was my take on it as well.

 

LuAnn needs to get over herself if she thinks Heather's goal was to catch her having sex, LOL. The blame is 100% on Ramona with her admitted "punting" of "Go talk to LuAnn."

 

biak biak and gimmipizzauoldtroll - I agree that somehow this is linked to the Scottish chef. I'd have guessed ex-pats, but someone said they said "tourists" on WWHL. It's too much of a coincidence, but I can't figure it out.

 

Also, if they were ex-pats, it would make sense for Alister the house manager (I watch with close captions, so I'd caught his name/title) to know they were bad news and try to dissuade the women from bringing them in. Otherwise, it's none of his business.

 

Book Elitist Loved your #TeamHeather post, but I won't believe my girl's leaving till I hear it from her!

 

Wire Wrap - cosign to everything you say

 

Line of the night was actually to Kristen to Bethenny, with her "Who says I even want to be your friend at this point?" #owned

[Cherrio]

Do they have pirates in Scotland Luann?     

[Mozelle]

Heather saying, "I guess Luanne and I have different values and morals" is the epitome of slut shaming. Equating a grown woman's sexual behavior with values and morals does not fly. Period. There were many more examples that I have recounted in earlier posts and am too lazy to find them again, but the intent to shame was pretty obvious IMO.

A woman of Heather's status, yeah- it would be a huge liability (and PR nightmare) for her to get assaulted on Bravo's time.

I guess its all irrelevant since Heather has left the show now.

It would be the epitome of slut shaming...if Heather were saying it about LuAnn hooking up. Heather didn't do that, however. Like, she literally said it after asking if LuAnn wouldn't be scared or fearful to wake up to a strange, naked man in an adjoining room. When LuAnn responded "No," Heather replied "Well, I guess we have different values and ethics then."

 

I'm so confused by the fact that it was such a big surprise to Heather to find a straggler from the previous night's party still hanging around in the morning. At the very least, summer share houses are very popular for NYers and this dynamic (close quarters with partying strangers) is something familiar to anyone lives in NY.

Heather makes a big point of saying that she was disturbed by the loud music, she must have heard male voices - it doesn't take a genius to figure out what would come next for the hot to trot ladies.

See which way the wind is blowing, secure your valuables, lock your door and get on with your life. I just don't buy there was any element of surprise to finding someone still around from the party that started a mere 6 hours prior.

Also, can we please talk about Heather trapping Dorito in the corner of a bathroom while physically fending off Ramona? Yea, I get it, Ramona is a batshit crazy, vicious harpy but Heather and her uncontrolled controlling nature and her physicality is beyond anything on the spectrum of normal. Girl seems to have some very serious issues. Glad she's gone and think it shows her recognition that her ugly side can't be adequately disguised .... A business woman doesn't need that kind of "publicity".

I feel like there's a part being left out of this entire discussion. Just two days before (or whenever it was that the women went on the yacht), it came out (in passing) that LuAnn had hooked up. As LuAnn et. al. (minus Sonja) were walking down the dock and LuAnn spotted the French Canadian, you can hear Bethenny say that LuAnn had just hooked up the previous night. Clearly, that wasn't an issue for Heather or the other women. Why? My guess is because LuAnn has the sense to have her fun then see the guy out. She and Sonja are really about that 11 to 7 booty call life. We saw it when the women were in St. Barth's. I wouldn't be surprised if LuAnn hooked up when they were in Montana last season, either.

Heather is very clearly not reacting to LuAnn or Ramona hooking up. Heather says repeatedly that she was surprised Ramona's dude hung around long enough to not only be discovered, but to go downstairs and drink some smoothie (and leave his dick prints all over the house. lol).

That Heather heard music playing still doesn't mean that she'd expected the Ramona's dude to sleep over.

Edited July 15, 2015 by Mozelle