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No, it it was BL's birthday, JDJ was just making a joke because he was trying to look up a reaction gif to it, and google returned the other Ben Lewis' birthday (which was 9/28 and not 9/30) who happened to be turning 40. It had Arrow's BL's picture on it, so JDJ was making a joke of pretending he's really turning 40 when he's not. 

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What bugs me is the implication that if you are not patient, you're watching it wrong. Naw, son. You don't get to tell me how I watch TV. I'm an actual pro at doing it.

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Oh wow, Emily. I'm impressed because this is really brave and I'm really proud that she said this in such an eloquent way.

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Ha. Reading those stage directions, and realizing how EBR went the opposite way [curious and skeptic rather than faint by hot guy] makes me understand 100% how fucking lost they were at that time, and

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7 hours ago, way2interested said:

No, it it was BL's birthday, JDJ was just making a joke because he was trying to look up a reaction gif to it, and google returned the other Ben Lewis' birthday (which was 9/28 and not 9/30) who happened to be turning 40. It had Arrow's BL's picture on it, so JDJ was making a joke of pretending he's really turning 40 when he's not. 

I was clear on JDJ making a joke, I just wasn't sure when this Ben Lewis had his birthday and if Kat got a misleading Google alert or something. But it really is a funny coincidence that not only do two actors share a (not at all uncommon) name, but have birthdays so close together.

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8 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Why is Ben Lewis' husband giving him a birthday card with scantily clad women? (Serious question)

I assume it was an ironic joke. Hee on everyone teasing him about the Other Ben Lewis turning 40. 

Re KC's post. I assume the show isn't going to be titled Canaries, especially because Mia isn't one and that's just for her and JH. 

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Actually, there are two cons scheduled for the weekend right before the big crossover event begins on Dec. 8 - here are the actors currently listed as guests at those cons...

German Comic Con, December 7-8, 2019 (Dortmund, Germany)
Katie Cassidy, Manu Bennett and Jeremy Davies (also Dominic Purcell)
https://germancomiccon.com/gaeste/#dortmund

Wales Comic Con: Telford Takeover, December 7-8, 2019 (UK)
Alex Kingston (also Brandon Routh, Tyler Hoechlin and Arthur Darvill) (also Tom Welling, Erica Durance and John Glover)
https://www.walescomiccon.com/guests 

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Next weekend's comic con (updated, with schedule)...

Los Angeles Comic Con, October 11-13, 2019 (CA)
Juliana Harkavy-SAT. only (also Spiro Skentzos, former Arrow writer)
https://www.comicconla.com/2019-guests/
Programming Schedule
-JH is supposed to have a a panel, but I don't see her name listed for any of the Saturday panels.
-Sat. (10/12) at 1:30pm - Write Your Script: Getting Started in TV (mod is Spiro Skentzos)

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I feel like we've seen most of these before (and the ones we haven't aren't super exciting) but the concept of this is good. I'd love to see the goodbye scene from season 7's finale.

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I always like seeing the original script pages because it's interesting to see what ends up on screen and how the actors have interpreted it. Preaching to the choir here but Olicity's first meet cute could have ended up very different without EBR and SA, just flustered IT geek and "Ollie" lying his ass off using it to his advantage. 

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33 minutes ago, Trisha said:

I feel like we've seen most of these before (and the ones we haven't aren't super exciting)

Lol, speak for yourself.  "Yup, you heard that right, MIA IS OLIVER AND FELICITY'S DAUGHTER." is hilarious 😂

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Los Angeles Comic Con, October 11-13, 2019 (CA)
Juliana Harkavy-SAT. only and Ben Lewis-SUN. only (also Spiro Skentzos, former Arrow writer, and Neal Adams, DC artist of Green Arrow comics)
https://www.comicconla.com/2019-guests/
Programming Schedule
-JH and BL do not appear to have scheduled panels, just autographs and photo op sessions.
-Sat. (10/12) at 1:30pm - "Write Your Script: Getting Started in TV" (mod is Spiro Skentzos)
-Sun. (10/13) at 2:00pm - "Spotlight on Neal Adams"

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Warning: minor spoilers (transcribed in Spoilers thread), but a lot of nonspoilery, b-t-s comments...

Joseph David Jones Talks the Arrow Finale and the Crisis Crossover Event
Collider Interviews  Oct. 11, 2019

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Next weekend's cons/events (updated, with schedules)...

Wizard World Columbus, October 18-20, 2019 (OH)
David Ramsey and Joseph David-Jones (also Teddy Sears) (also Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum and Laura Vandervoort)
https://wizardworld.com/comiccon/columbus
Programming
-Sat. (10/19) at 1:30pm - A Smallville Reunion With Tom Welling, Michael Rosenbaum And Laura Vandervoort
-Sat. (10/19) at 3:30pm - An Arrowverse Reunion With David Ramsay, [Joseph David-Jones] & Teddy Sears

BUILD Interview with Katherine McNamara, October 18, 2019 (NY)
Katherine McNamara
https://www.eventbrite.com/e/katherine-mcnamara-tickets-75736292289
-Fri. (10/18) at 12:00pm - Katherine McNamara

Dublin Comic Con presents: An Evening With Kevin Conroy, October 18, 2019 (Dublin, Ireland)
(Kevin Conroy)
https://www.dublincomiccon.com/
https://www.eventbrite.ie/e/an-evening-with-kevin-conroy-tickets-61453050729
-Fri. (10/18) at 7:00pm - An Evening With Kevin Conroy

FACTS Convention, October 19-20, 2019 (Ghent, Belgium)
Willa Holland
https://facts.be/en/
Schedule
-Sat. (10/19) at 12:45pm - Willa Holland
-Sun. (10/20) at 2:00pm - Willa Holland

Transylvania Comic Con, October 18-20, 2019 (Cluj-Napoca, Romania)
David Nykl and Manu Bennett (also Rick Cosnett) (also Alexander Ludwig)
http://comic-con.ro/
Timetable
-Fri (10/18) at 8:00pm - Arrow Panel (Manu Bennett and David Nykl)
-Sat. (10/19) at11:00am - Actors Panel with Rick Cosnett
-Sat. (10/19) at 2:00pm - Actors Panel with Manu Bennett
-Sat. (10/19) at 3:00pm - Actors Panel with Alexander Ludwig
-Sat. (10/19) at 4:00pm - Actors Panel with David Nykl
-Sun. (10/20) at 12:00pm - Actors Panel with David Nykl
-Sun. (10/20) at 2:00pm - Actors Panel with Rick Cosnett
-Sun. (10/20) at 3:00pm - Actors Panel with Manu Bennett
-Sun. (10/20) at 4:00pm - Actors Panel with Alexander Ludwig

Fandemic Tour Houston, October 18-20, 2019 (Houston, TX)
Summer Glau
https://www.fandemictour.com/houston-celebrity-guests/
Schedule
-Sun. (10/20) at 11:00am - Summer Glau 

The Giving Back Show (A Supernatural Official Convention), October 19-20, 2019 (Burbank, CA)
Alexander Calvert-SUN. only (also Osric Chau)
https://www.creationent.com/cal/supernatural_burbank.htm#guests
Schedule-Sat. (10/19) at 2:15pm - Q&A with DJ Qualls and Osric Chau
-Sun. (10/20) at 1:00pm - Q&A wit Alexander Calvert

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EW interview with SA

https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/14/arrow-stephen-amell-season-8-interview/

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ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: When did you realize you were ready to hang up the hood and end your run on the show?
STEPHEN AMELL: So, we were most of the way through season 6 and I called up Greg [Berlanti], and I go, “I’m contracted through season 7, but I’d like [that] to be the end.” And he’s like, “Okay, take a second to think about this, and I’ll call you back in a week, and we’ll see.” And he called me back in a week, and he goes, “How are you feeling?” And I go, “Okay, it’s time.” And he convinced me, because he’s way smarter than I am, to come back for a limited run this year, and I think that it’s really given the show an opportunity to go out on its own terms. I’m scared. I’m legitimately frightened about the end of it, and I’m very emotional and melancholy, but it’s time. 

What about the ending has you frightened?
I’m 38 years old, and I got this job when I was 30. I’d never had a job for more than a year. The fact that I’ve done this for the better part of a decade, and I’m not going to do it anymore, is a little frightening. But then I remember that I was able to move to L.A. in 2010 because my grandfather lent me $15,000 and I had no citizenship, I had nothing. So try to put your level of being frightened into a relative capacity.

Was there a specific moment in season 6 that led to this decision?
No, no, no, no, no. There wasn’t a specific a moment when it came to the creative direction of the show. I’ve always loved it. There have been seasons that I’ve liked less than others. But it was just time to move on. My daughter is turning six in October, and she goes to school in L.A., and my wife and I want to raise her in Los Angeles. When it came time to do Arrow, I didn’t really have any choice. They offered me the job, and if they had said to me, “Yeah, you can have the job, but you have to pay us $5,000 per episode just for you to be in the show.” I would have been like, “Yeah, okay. Sure, I’ll do that.” So it’s more about having time and opportunity now.

From talking to the producers, I know you were the first person to audition for this role. What do you remember about that experience?
So I went to a hockey game with my cousin Robbie [Amell] on a Saturday night, and he goes, “Have you gotten an audition for Arrow yet?” And I go, “No, what’s Arrow?” He goes, “It’s based on the Green Arrow.” He goes, “Well, I read the pilot, and I pictured you the entire time that I was reading it.” He’s like, “I’ve got an audition, but I actually don’t want to go, because you are going to get cast in this role.” I went in [to audition], and David Nutter was there, Marc Guggenheim, Andrew Kreisberg. Greg was in his office, because he was like, “If you find someone interesting, let me know.” And I went in, read, and Dave Nutter looked at me, and he goes, “Can you go outside for a couple minutes?” And I go, “Yeah, for sure.” And I came back into the room, and there are 11 more people there, and they just had me read again….I got the job the following Tuesday morning.

In reading the pilot script, what did you initially connect with that made you want to do the show?
Have you ever worn a superhero suit?

Apart from on Halloween? No.
Well, it’s f—ing awesome.

Yes, that’s true.
And that was it. Hung got canceled, and I needed a job, and I thought the script was great. And Greg Berlanti at that point in time wasn’t Greg Berlanti, but David Nutter was David Nutter. And he’s one of the most kind, generous, thoughtful men that I’ve ever met. And he believed in me, and I believed in him. It was the opportunity of a lifetime.

When it premiered, Arrow stood out from other superhero shows that had recently been on the air. Did it feel like you all were doing something new in season 1, or were you just focused on trying to get it done?
Just trying to get the work done. The first season was very, very difficult for me. Everything was going great. They wanted my character to be very stoic and disaffected, right? And then the show came out and got a great rating and was a smash hit, and then all of a sudden I had an acting coach, because all of a sudden now that the show was a hit, people wanted to have an opinion. We were on our own for the first nine, 10 episodes. That was very, very tough.

At the end of the first season, once I realized I was done, I flew back from Vancouver and I did The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, and Carol Burnett was the first guest. We went for dinner afterwards with my buddy and my wife, and he goes, “You’re done, man. You’re done with season 1.” And I go, “Yeah, I am.” And I got sick really bad. I got walking pneumonia. I was sick until the fourth episode of season 2.

Wait, seriously? How did you work? 
I faked it until I made it.

What was it like adjusting to the physical demands of the role?
I loved it. I loved all of it. Doing a lot of the stuff that I did in the pilot was proof of concept for the series. I had to do it. In episode 2, episode 3, episode 4, I had to do it period, because photographically when you do stunts, they were able to film me doing it. They were able to shoot on my face, and if we didn’t continue on in that manner, something would have been missing.

Do you remember when you realized the show was a hit?
People think that the height of the show is when it’s premiering, when my torso is 90 ft. tall on Sunset Boulevard. That’s not it. It actually compounds over the years, and people become really, really big fans because of the amount of content that you’re pushing up, right? I didn’t realize that the show was a giant hit until 2017, when I was on an island called Panarea, which was off the coast of Lipari, which is off the coast of Sicily. It’s so small, there aren’t even cars — golf carts, that’s it. We walked into this restaurant that looked closed, and this woman walks out. We’re like, “Are you guys open?” And she goes, “Si, Arrow.” I’m like, are you f—ing kidding me?

At what point did you start to feel ownership of the character?
Well, I got it during episode 6, and then I got an acting coach after episode 9. That threw it off a little bit. Right around the midway point of the second season. If a director wants something from me specifically, I’m happy to give it to them, but they better come prepared because I know everything about the show. They’re like, “Well, we want to Oliver to do this,” and I’ll be like, “Well, there’s a problem with that. In episode 306…” And if they’re prepared and they have a good reason, then I’ll do what they want.

There are some actors who don’t have that much knowledge about their shows. Did this come naturally to you, or did you actively work to become an expert on the show?
I just care a lot. Arrow was the most important thing in my entire life by a wide margin. And then I got married, and it became the co-most important thing in my entire life. Then my wife and I had [our daughter], and Arrow dropped to number three. But I f—ing care a lot about it. I really, really do. I think about it all the time.

For the first five seasons, we aired on Wednesday nights. On Wednesdays, whenever a new episode was airing, I don’t care about ratings that much, but I would have a recurring dream that I was naked in bed, but the entire crew was waiting for me to get up, and they were all in my bedroom. This happened every f—ing time. I don’t want to call it a nightmare, but it wasn’t a nice dream. This happened because I really care. It extends beyond personal satisfaction. It extends to just other people, cast, and crew getting the opportunity to do something like this. This is not common. You know what I mean? We’re going into our eighth season. This just doesn’t happen.

I asked Beth Schwartz this when she took over as showrunner, but I’m curious to hear your answer, too. In your opinion, when do you think Arrow is at its best? Like, this is the platonic ideal of an Arrow episode?
523. I was mad that more people didn’t die when the island blew up. Episode 220 when Susanna Thompson as Moira died, I love that episode. Episode 116, when Tommy finds out that I’m the Green Arrow. Episode 214 when I confront Laurel about drinking. Nick Copus directed that episode, and he went handheld. I’m very, very proud of that scene. I love 309. But when is it at its best?

It’s at its best in season 2 when Sara reappears. I’m thinking as I read the script, “Okay, cool, she’s coming back and the big reveal is going to happen when her dad Quentin [Paul Blackthorne] gets to see her again. That’s probably not going to happen for a couple of episodes.” Nope, [it happened in] act three. That’s when Arrow is at its best. Greg used to say all the time, “You have a hit TV show until you don’t, so don’t save s—t.”

One of the show’s biggest surprises was, of course, Emily Bett Rickards as Felicity —
Yeah, you can’t plan. They cast a girl in episode 3 that all of a sudden became the linchpin.

The Olicity of it all is such a big part of why people love the show. What do you think has drawn them to it?
Have you seen Emily act? That’s what makes it work. She’s supremely talented and awesome and carved out a space that no one anticipated. I don’t know that show works if we don’t randomly find her.

How’d you feel when you started getting the scripts for Arrow’s final season?
It was weird, actually, because Beth just had her first kiddo, and so the writers’ room, instead of taking a break after the season ended, worked through. Her assistant sent me episode 801 two weeks after we wrapped. I didn’t read it for four weeks because I needed some time to reset. I’m so excited about them. I just hope that we get to do all the things that we want to do. Don’t leave anything in the quiver.

What is the most important thing you’ll take away from this experience?
I started the show dating a girl and I’m walking away from the show as a husband and as a father, and a way better actor. I don’t mean for that to sound ostentatious, but I’ve got reps now. I’m very proud of how hard I’ve worked at being a good actor. That’s not to say I’m not going to be s—t in something sometime. But I feel like walking away from the show, for me, there’s no room that I can’t go into, and there’s no scenario where I will be intimidated because I’ve worked nonstop for eight years. And I love it.

The biggest thing I’ll take away from doing the show is my kiddo really admires what I do. She comes to the set all the time, and I know that won’t last forever, but she sits there in video village, and she wears her cans, and she calls action every once in a while. Honestly, that’s the coolest thing.

What has it been like to watch Arrow give way to an entire universe?
It’s been amazing. I’m so proud of Grant [Gustin] and Melissa [Benoist], and I really like that Caity [Lotz] has grown into the leader that she has. I’m pumped for Ruby [Rose]. It’s great [that] you do a show and it births other shows.

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How are you feeling about entering this final season, at least as of now, without her?
Not great. I think Arrow as you know it effectively ended in 722. It’s a different show in season 8. It’s like we’re playing our greatest hits. The premiere is the pilot. It’s almost like episode 1 is an ode to season 1. Episode 2 is an ode to season 3.

Arrow started out as this grounded and realistic show, but now we have Oliver running around with the Monitor. How does it feel to get to this point where it’s like there aren’t anymore rules?
It’s fantastic, because I’m going to get to work with actors this year that I’ve never worked with before, that if we were grounded I’d never get to work with. I’m pumped we’re going to get to do that this year.

When I spoke to Marc, he said he woke up that morning and wrote the final scene. Do you know how the show’s going to end?
I do. He told me today, and I cried. I cried as he was telling me. There are a lot of hurdles to get over to make that final scene.

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More behind-the-scenes info...

Arrow producer recalls the happy accident that led to Deathstroke's debut
By Chancellor Agard October 14, 2019
https://ew.com/tv/2019/10/14/arrow-deathstroke-season-1/

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Deathstroke was never supposed be part of Arrow. “We had no intention seeing Deathstroke or Slade Wilson [Manu Bennett] in season 1, and we saw them both,” Arrow consulting producer Marc Guggenheim, who co-developed the long-running superhero show, tells EW.

... According to Guggenheim, though, you can thank Geoff Johns and pilot director David Nutter for that Easter egg, which was meant to be just that.

“David Nutter was on set [of the pilot], and he wanted basically a foreground element. He was like, ‘What can we stick here?’ and he had the idea of maybe something with an arrow through it,” Guggenheim begins. “Geoff Johns happened to be on set and said, ‘Well, what if it’s like a mask, it’s half-black and half-orange, and it’s basically the Deathstroke mask?’ And we were like, ‘Oh, great Easter egg!’ because we were all about the Easter eggs back then.”
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That one nod to the fans, though, clearly sparked some ideas. From there, we saw a version of Deathstroke, Billy Wintergreen, in episode 5’s flashbacks, and then Manu Bennett made his debut as Slade in episode 13, “Betrayal.” Slade would go onto become Oliver’s frenemy and play a significant role in later seasons.

Deathstroke wasn’t the only surprising DC Comics character who landed on the show in season 1. “Similarly, we had no intention of introducing Roy Harper [Colton Haynes] in season 1, [but] we saw him in episode 15. The Huntress being as early as episode 7, the idea that we would introduce another superhero character? Never part of the original plan for season 1,” says Guggenheim. “In fact, we never planned on introducing nearly as many of the comic book characters that we have.”

The reason the writers ended up deviating from the show’s initial path goes back to a lesson Guggenheim and executive producer Greg Berlanti learned from their on-the-bubble ABC dramedy Eli Stone.

“Eli was always on the verge of being canceled, so we never said, ‘Oh, we’ll do that in season X,’ because we never knew if we’d get season X. So, we were like like, ‘We’re going to do it right now.’ And one of the things we took away from the Eli Stone experience was that was actually really to the good. It was great to be able to burn through story with abandon,” says Guggenheim. “Even though we didn’t plan do these things in season 1, when we had the idea, we didn’t say, ‘Oh well, it’s not part of the plan, we’re not going to do it.’ In fact, it felt right to basically go faster than our original plan.”
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While the producers have been allowed to use many characters from the publisher’s pantheon, there have also been times when they’ve been asked to pull back on certain ones; however, Guggenheim chooses not to dwell on those instances because it’s just the nature of the business and, more importantly, he doesn’t own any of these characters.

“You can look at the glass as half-full or half empty. And yes, certainly, if I was so inclined, we could focus on having to kill Deadshot, having to kill Amanda Waller. But the trust is, and this is not bulls—, I look at the glass as half full, because, again, we never in a million years thought we would do as many characters on this show as we did,” says Guggenheim. “So from where I’m sitting, it’s nothing but gifts.”

He continues: “At the end of the day, these are not my characters. These are not Greg’s characters. These are characters we rent out, and we’re very lucky that we get to rent the toys and play with them. Certainly on balance, I think I’d be a dick if I complained about not having access to this character, or having to stop using that character. I’d be a jerk, because I think DC would very well within their rights to go, ‘Well, what about all of these other characters we’ve given you without a problem?’…If DC wants to say, ‘No more Suicide Squad,’ that is absolutely DC’s right and we will work with what we got.”

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Mostly nonspoilery stuff (like her personal background, beauty/style regimen, Shadowhunters experience, dating, etc.) - however, warning: at end of video, KM talks about a "hypothetical Arrow spinoff" (which I'll transcribe in the Spoilers thread)...

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Arrow star reveals they were originally meant to be a regular on Legends of Tomorrow
BY CHRIS EDWARDS   15/10/2019
https://www.digitalspy.com/tv/ustv/a29473985/arrow-star-joseph-david-jones-regular-legends-of-tomorrow/

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In typically complicated Arrowverse fashion, Arrow star Joseph David-Jones has played two versions of the same character.

The actor made his Arrowverse debut in DC's Legends of Tomorrow, appearing in two episodes of the show's first season as John Diggle Jr, who went by the name of Connor Hawke and took on the mantle of Green Arrow in an erased future timeline.

Three years later, David-Jones returned to play a different Connor Hawke in Arrow's seventh season, and will be returning as a series regular in the show's eighth and final season too.
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"Initially when I went in on Legends, it was under the guise that this character could potentially become a series regular," he told Radio Times.

“But I think Legends was still trying to figure out their dynamic and how it worked, and they were changing out people on the ship so much, they just didn't know if it was going to fit…

"The idea was that I was going to go back and join up with the Legends and be one of their crew members on the ship. But because the tone of that show has changed so much, I think that idea just got scrapped."
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Thankfully, as we all know, that wasn't the end of his time in the Arrowverse, with the actor revealing that Arrow boss Beth Schwartz later reached out to him with the intention of bringing him back into the world.

"She reached out to my manager to see if I was interested in returning before she wanted to pitch to the network and to the studio the potential of bringing me back as this character," he continued.

"They were still figuring it out when I'd signed on. They told me that I would no longer be JJ and that they had another JJ coming in that they were going to use, but they didn't tell me the exact differences between the one timeline that I was on Legends and the timeline that I am now.
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"They really keep everything close to the chest because a lot of it ends up changing. They're coming up with these storylines and it's constantly changing."

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7 minutes ago, lemotomato said:

From KC's livetweet of the episode. I guess she interpreted the scene of Oliver not snarling at Laurel for once as meaning... something. 

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Like she thought Felicity/Oliver/Laurel were a love triangle and thought "Laurel's got this"? And her original character died right after Oliver broke up with someone so no chance of a reunion? Unless they're really gonna swerve after COIE or with the new spin off that just silly and a little sad. She had some great scenes tonight but that was over 7 seasons ago. They went out of their way to mention Felicity even though EBR is done.

I guess she'll take what she can get. 

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6 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

So just ignoring that “the start” for this Laurel and Oliver is her pretending to be his dead friend and then working with the man who terrorized him and then trying to kill him? 

I don't think she remembers that she's not OG LL anymore. She did say at SDCC that she gets confused and had to call the writers about which one she's playing. 

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8 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said:

So just ignoring that “the start” for this Laurel and Oliver is her pretending to be his dead friend and then working with the man who terrorized him and then trying to kill him? 

Her Facebook relationship status is "complicated." Also likely "delusional."

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