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Rewatched the musical segments again today, and finally am ready to admit that I always lose it when Bobby comes out and stands up from his wheelchair in Wayward Son.

Interesting episode, great thread! (Lots of great quips in here, though "Septa Ratchet" may be my favorite) One thing I noticed that pinged my Bookwalker radar was the throne room scene with Tyrion, Jorah, and Daario. When I saw how they were positioned when Tyrion questioned their fitness to be consorts to Daenerys, I was reminded of "The Dragon has Three Heads" and the speculation on who the three dragon rider-consorts will be. Seems like visually it could have been a tease about it (whether it comes to pass, no clue). I was pleasantly surprised by the filming work done for Cersei'

The problem is that the writers put this whole situation in a bind - Dean can't die, he doesn't want to keep killing, and oh, now the Mark can't be removed without another host or The Darkness eats everything. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that they set this up, but this constant upping of the ante for the Winchesters being put into impossible dilemmas is frustrating for me, and I'm an ethicist who usually enjoys working through these things.

For the whole scene with Death until he was dusted, I expected it to be a gambit for Death to assess how much Sam truly cared about Dean for ... something to resolve the issue. Like Dean had to try everything he could to threaten Sam and dissuade him, and if Sam passed the test, Death would pull some mojo that would split the Mark between them (so they could share the burden) or do something similar that would make it bearable. I would have greatly preferred for it to just be the three of them chowing down on Mexican food together until the Darkness Apocalypse hit; it would have been more

I'm not a big fan of them becoming gods, but that seems to be a likely thematic outcome of them botching up not just the world, but Creation entirely. If we'd left it at Season 5, then the world could still exist as it was. But after opening Purgatory, going beyond Alpha monsters to Leviathans, and now killing Death and unleashing the primordial Chaos, the world is entirely broken without some high-level force to patch things up. There is also the literary theme of patricide - you kill the father to replace him in the power structure, whether it's one's biological, figurative, or divine fat

Going with your time reset idea, SueB, I wonder if it would be possible for Sam and Dean to change their destiny. Wasn't Yellow Eyes the big instigator of everything? If they stopped him from feeding Baby!Sam demon blood and killing their mom, would that be sufficient? (I'm just coming off The Flash's finale, so I'm seeing parallels). The worst part of that reset for me as a fan would be that they never get to meet Castiel and Crowley (both of whom I'm convinced love Dean in a bizarre divine/infernal way). So we have a time reset and a complete nuke and pave of the world; those do see

I'm bitter that they killed Death for no significant reason; his scenes are always excellent and he's the best authority on How Creation Works we're going to get. If Dean had explained at some point that he was going to take over as Death, or that this would prevent him from killing anyone, it would make sense. But there was no reason given to us. Boo.

In dark of the S10 finale, my suspicion that the boys are going to end up entirely remaking the world, Neon Genesis Evangelion style, is buzzing again. Each season they dig deeper into the structure of the world's mythos, and now they've gone beyond God's work to the chaos before Creation. I mean, once you've killed Death, where else do you go? (He was potentially around before God, right?) At the point that they're beating back the Darkness, they are literally doing the work that God did in Genesis; what will separate them from being gods themselves? Or maybe they will play kingmakers and

In dark of the S10 finale (get it?), my suspicion that the boys are going to end up entirely remaking the world, Neon Genesis Evangelion style, is buzzing again. Each season they dig deeper into the structure of the world's mythos, and now they've gone beyond God's work to the chaos before Creation. I mean, once you've killed Death, where else do you go? (He was potentially around before God, right?) At the point that they're beating back the Darkness, they are literally doing the work that God did in Genesis; what will separate them from being gods themselves? Or maybe they will play king

This is what drove me bonkers about that scene. If Sansa had actually had some sort of agency or exercised some power of her own - to show that she is this "hardened woman" - then I would have accepted this scene as accomplishing something. I'd buy "seductive/charming Sansa" because that would show that she's taken Littlefinger's advice to heart and used information from Miranda (kind of how Daenerys started to take charge with Drogo). Alternatively, if Sansa just went total Stone-Cold Quiet while she was being raped, and we got a shot of her face, tight with stoicism and burning with resen

I've really enjoyed what I've seen so far; my partner was out on travel, so we agreed to save the last few eps until they came back. I tend to call it my "non-ragey Mad Men". BTW, statsgirl, you're our Golden Mask / Quiver winner!

Wouldn't that be Supernatural?

Completely random observation: we have 49,969 posts in Arrow, which exceeds any of the other shows I'm watching (OUaT is next with 31k, the venerable Supernatural with 19k). I remember months ago the mods saying this was the busiest forum; I hadn't quite grasped the magnitude until now. Yay us? Maybe a 50k post party is in order? I just "attended" a 5000 page celebration on a game forum, and it was pretty neat to see all the artwork, writing, and happy memories about the thread community.

Another Constance Wu interview with The Muse/Jezebel: Haters Gonna Hate: An Interview with Fresh Off The Boat's Constance Wu There are some really good discussions about stereotypes and comedy in this.

I'm sad to hear that the show's at risk of cancellation because the latest episode (King of Columbus Circle) showed me why I like this show - it's very satisfying, like a well-balanced meal. This show doesn't rely on its gimmick to be cutting edge, but instead lets the characters have interesting stories while provoking some interesting conversations about history, family, and other themes. It's not addictive like some shows out here, but it just feels enjoyable. So I'm really hoping it can be renewed; Ioan Gruffudd deserves a second season after Ringer fell through. Also, definitely loo