olicityfan25 July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 (edited) I wonder if they made a point not to mention Emily at SDCC? Cause Stephen only mentioned her until the very end. Seems odd. Edited July 29, 2019 by olicityfan25 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5483899
lemotomato July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 Apparently Greg Berlanti was there for the festivities for EBR: 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5483915
tv echo July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5484333
KenyaJ July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 7 hours ago, olicityfan25 said: I wonder if they made a point not to mention Emily at SDCC? Cause Stephen only mentioned her until the very end. Seems odd. Other than the EW interview, which was their first of the day, it seemed like he either mentioned or was asked about her in every other interview of the day. So much so that it's been a running joke on Twitter for the past week. There are also articles from multiple news outlets, like the one from US Weekly upthread and these. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5484339
tv echo July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5484350
Soulfire July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 So the replies on this are fun. My favorite? Someone called them ITA = Incomplete Team Arrow. Love it! 6 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5484830
KenyaJ July 29, 2019 Share July 29, 2019 Three of those people have turned their backs on Oliver multiple times and the last has tried to kill him multiple times. But they always stick together! 5 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5485043
insomniadreams88 July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 Those replies are gold. And just look at Dinah’s comments about Oliver, Felicity and William in the future and everything about Rene in the future. What does it say about those two that Laurel — a villain who got a half-assed redemption arc — is actually probably more loyal to Felicity (and therefore by extension to Oliver, if she feels like it probably, and Mia) than they are? But sure, that’s a team, if “team” is defined as “a group of people who all wear masks and may be working together or trying to kill each other/sending one another to prison for life/swinging an axe at one of the others/etc. depending on the scene.” 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5485826
Chaser July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 Why does that photo look so awkward? 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5485835
tv echo July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 (edited) It doesn't look like GB was at the play, just at that dinner. Considering how incredibly busy GB is with his many TV and film projects in L.A. and Vancouver, it's significant that he took time out of his schedule to see EBR (even if, for some reason, he happened to be in NYC that day)... Edited July 30, 2019 by tv echo 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5487094
tv echo July 30, 2019 Share July 30, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5487186
tv echo August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 (edited) Arrowverse Video: The Casts of Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl Face Off in Pop Quiz! By Matt Webb Mitovich and Andy Swift / July 31 2019https://tvline.com/2019/07/31/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-casts-quiz-video-arrowverse/ -- In response to the question of what is the name of Oliver & Felicity's daughter, someone on the Flash cast yelled, "Who's Felicity?" - which I thought was kinda disrespectful and not funny at all However, Supergirl cast member Nicole Maines correctly responded, "Mia," adding that "Olicity is my OTP." Edited August 1, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5492498
tv echo August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5492734
way2interested August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 The Arrowverse casts did way better this year on that quiz than last year XD Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5492757
Quark August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 7 hours ago, tv echo said: Arrowverse Video: The Casts of Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomorrow and Supergirl Face Off in Pop Quiz! By Matt Webb Mitovich and Andy Swift / July 31 2019https://tvline.com/2019/07/31/arrow-flash-supergirl-legends-casts-quiz-video-arrowverse/ -- In response to the question of what is the name of Oliver & Felicity's daughter, someone on the Flash cast yelled, "Who's Felicity?" - which I thought was kinda disrespectful and not funny at all However, Supergirl cast member Nicole Maines correctly responded, "Mia," adding that "Olicity is my OTP." You thought that was disrespectful? I took it instantly as a joke. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493593
Primal Slayer August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 I actually like the picture, esp since we never get any official ones. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493624
lemotomato August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Quark said: You thought that was disrespectful? I took it instantly as a joke. It's a disrespectful joke. Imagine if someone from the other casts making that same joke about Iris. Or Alex. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493765
Trini August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Quark said: You thought that was disrespectful? I took it instantly as a joke. And it might have been a genuine question anyway; the actors aren't required to watch the other shows. I'm pretty sure that was Hartley Sawyer who said (not "yelled") that. He's the newest Flash cast member and has never even been in the same scene as Felicity/Rickards; so I can see how he wouldn't know her. There was a shady comment in that video, but that wasn't it! 😉 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493792
lemotomato August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trini said: And it might have been a genuine question anyway; the actors aren't required to watch the other shows. I'm pretty sure that was Hartley Sawyer who said (not "yelled") that. He's the newest Flash cast member and has never even been in the same scene as Felicity/Rickards; so I can see how he wouldn't know her. EBR and Hartley Sawyer shared a scene when Felicity crossed over for Iris's bachelorette episode. The scene got deleted, but they definitely worked with each other. Should've just stuck with the "it was a lousy joke" explanation. Edited August 2, 2019 by lemotomato 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493863
Chaser August 1, 2019 Share August 1, 2019 They follow each other on social media too. I think it was a joke in reference to how popular Felicity is. Everyone in the Arrowverse knows her. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493873
Trini August 2, 2019 Share August 2, 2019 Ha! Oh that episode. I can see why it slipped my mind! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5493955
Quark August 2, 2019 Share August 2, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, lemotomato said: It's a disrespectful joke. Imagine if someone from the other casts making that same joke about Iris. Or Alex. It's still a joke and not the slightest bit disrespectful. So someone made out they didn't know who Felicity was, they weren't rude about her. Edited August 2, 2019 by Quark 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5494886
tv echo August 2, 2019 Share August 2, 2019 (edited) Quote Stephen Amell 21 hrs · The August collaborator for @Nocking Point's Tastemakers' Club is... Me! Check out "Hiatus" Rosé, and "Turnaround" Mourvèdre, available now only inside The Tastemakers' Club. Quantity is very limited on these, so they may not be around for long... Your first box is always $10 off. Use code: STEPHEN and take an additional $10 off. You'll get both of these for just $29 plus free shipping. nockingpointwines.com/tastemakers-club Edited August 2, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5495177
tv echo August 2, 2019 Share August 2, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5495297
tv echo August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 (edited) Looks like lots of media interviews on August 4, which is The CW's day during the Television Critics Association (TCA) Summer Press Tour... Edited August 3, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5497584
tv echo August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 (edited) Katie Cassidy Rodgers | Arrow Season 8 | Comic-Con 2019 Published on Aug 2, 2019, by KSiteTV -- On what it was like finding out she was returning to Arrow a few years ago and now having to say goodbye again (because Arrow is ending), KC: "Honestly, when I was coming back, I was thrilled, because these are my people, my family. Uh, I didn't want to go. I understood from a producing and writing perspective why they'd kill off a main character, because it's a jumping off platform for the other main characters to react, you know, sends them into different storylines to react to that. So I understood it from that perspective, but coming back, it was awesome, because they brought back my doppelganger. Having to say goodbye for a second time sucks, um, because it's been like, uh, such an amazing, amazing, incredible ride, and I'm grateful for every single moment. And I'm lucky, we're all blessed, to have met one another and now, you know, it feels like family that hopefully we - we will forever be." -- [Some spoilery comments (see Spoilers thread)] -- On any final words for the fans who have loved Laurel all these years, KC: "Thank you. For- emotional, um, just thinking of - it's been such an amazing, uh, opportunity and such an amazing ride. And also we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for you guys, so thank you for everything - and what's next?" Edited August 3, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5497594
Soulfire August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 Seven years ago today. Cute! 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5497655
tv echo August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 (edited) From the TCA Summer 2019 Press Tour Schedule....https://cbspressexpress.com/TCA/pdf/tca_summer_press_tour_2019.pdf Quote THE CW PRESS TOUR SCHEDULE SUNDAY, AUGUST 4, 2019 The Beverly Hilton Hotel * * *9:30-10:00AM THE CW EXECUTIVE SESSION Mark Pedowitz, President, The CW * * *11:45AM-12:15PM THE CW "ARROW" THE FINAL SEASON Stephen Amell David Ramsey Beth Schwartz, Executive Producer Marc Guggenheim, Executive Producer ETA: The CW is only doing show panels for Nancy Drew, Katy Keene, Arrow, Batwoman, All-American and Supernatural. Edited August 3, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5497751
lemotomato August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Soulfire said: Seven years ago today. Cute! As SA calls it, "August 3rd, 2012 is the most important day in the history of our show." 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5498018
Soulfire August 3, 2019 Share August 3, 2019 Some new old photos of the one and only OTA: http://www.brendanmeadows.com/ 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5498599
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 (edited) As I said above, lots of media at TCA today... Edited August 4, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499594
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499709
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tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 (edited) Live blogging of The CW President Mark Pedowitz's executive session going on right now...http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2019/08/04/the-cw-at-tca-executive-session-live-blog-4/ Quote 9:50 AM: “I’m certain the strength of it will survive,” Pedowitz says of the ARROWverse sans ARROW. Edited August 4, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499817
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499823
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499857
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 (edited) In response to the Parents Television Council report that named Arrow as the most violent comic book-themed TV show (and also naming Black Lightning and LoT) - report posted in Starling City Times thread... Edited August 4, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5499904
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500089
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500106
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Featherhat August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 I wonder if KC supposed to be being there means she does have a large part in this season one way or another or if she's just the only other "original" cast member left? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500127
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 (edited) Edited August 4, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500149
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 (edited) I was probably over-cautious with the spoiler tags... ARROW at TCA: Live-Blog August 4, 2019 by Marisa Roffman http://www.givememyremote.com/remote/2019/08/04/arrow-at-tca-live-blog/ Quote 11:57 AM: The panel starts with a note that Katie Cassidy isn’t here because she’s prepping to direct her first episode. 11:58 AM: “Please, God, I hope so,” Marc Guggenheim says about whether they’ve crafted an ending that will satisfy fans. “We’d much rather prefer to go out on a high note.” Spoiler 11:59 AM: “We pick up a week later,” Beth Schwartz says of when the season premiere starts. Stephen Amell jokes it’s as long as his hair is between seasons, so about six weeks. Spoiler 12:00 PM “It’s been really emotional,” Amell says. “Every episode this year feels like we’re trying to put a button on certain parts of the show.” “This year is fundamentally different,” he continues. “The episodes are events. The show as we constructed it ended as Emily left.” 12:03 PM: “As we worked through the first season, we started thinking about it more and more as an ensemble,” Guggenheim says. He says the process was a “slow build,” as organic as possible. He notes they did it on a more accelerated pace than anticipated, though. Spoiler 12:04 PM: How can there be a happy ending if Oliver might die? “I think when I read about this online, they’re thinking about things in a very binary way: things will either be X or Y. I think we have Z planned.” Spoiler 12:05 PM: “I do a ton [of stunts],” Amell says. He did a big sequence last week. Spoiler 12:06 PM: “We like to bring him back every season,” Schwartz says of Colin Donnell. “We have a lot of guest coming back…the whole season is like our greatest hits. We’re tying up stories you may have seen in season 3 or 2.” 12:07 PM: “David Nutter is the only one who had the foreshadowing it would be a hit,” David Ramsey says of memorable moments. Amell says his favorite episode was “Seeing Red,” where Moira dies. 12:10 PM: “I can’t get back in the wrestling ring—I risk divorce,” Amell jokes. He fractured his hip last go-round, and admits he had to call up the production team and admit he was an idiot and would still be available for the episode he needed to film. Spoiler 12:11 PM: The crossover will be hour 8 of the series. “Ever since we started doing Crisis, it was how many different corners of the DC universe can we touch,” Guggenheim says. They want to get as many things, CW and not, involved. Ramsey is a “huge fan” of BLACK LIGHTNING and is excited to potentially work with them. 12:13 PM: “Stuff like that comes up all the time,” Guggenheim says of potentially having ARROW characters live on in other shows. Spoiler 12:14 PM: “The space has been closed; Diggle is always on Oliver’s side,” Ramsey says of Oliver and Diggle. “The relationship gets even tighter…some of that reconciliation has happened.” 12:15 PM: Amell jokes he is taking the salmon ladder home after the series ends. Spoiler 12:16 PM: “I’m fascinated by directing, but it’s more interesting to me to check in on Katie who had day 1 of her directing on Friday,” Amell says of whether he’ll direct. 12:18 PM: Ramsey says he found out a few years ago that his role on BLUE BLOODS is why he was hired as Diggle. But he doesn’t know if he’ll return. 12:19 PM: “ARROW has afforded me the opportunity to sift through materials and find what will help me be a better actor,” Ramsey says. 12:20 PM: “Working with these guys…this doesn’t happen,” Ramsey says. “[This franchise] doesn’t happen. And just the crossover. Growing up, I remember BIONIC WOMAN and SIX MILLION DOLLAR MAN crossover and waiting for it to happen.” “For me, I can’t really drill it down when it comes to David,” Amell says. “I remember a Friday, where we had 12, 13 pages of dialogue…David and I made a decision and were like, ‘Okay, let’s get this done.’ It was days like that that gave us the opportunity to go as big as we did.” Edited August 4, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500172
tv echo August 4, 2019 Share August 4, 2019 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5500215
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way2interested August 5, 2019 Share August 5, 2019 KM and BL came to the TCAs after party 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5502075
tv echo August 5, 2019 Share August 5, 2019 (edited) I'd like to see Arrow's TCA sizzle reel (was it the same as the SDCC one?)... (WMTV) (source) Edited August 5, 2019 by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5502097
tv echo August 5, 2019 Share August 5, 2019 (edited) Next weekend's comic cons (updated, with schedules)... TerrifiCon, August 9-11, 2019 (Uncasville, CT) John Barrowman (also John Wesley Shipp and DC writer/artist Mike Grell)http://www.terrificon.com/media---cosplay-guests.htmlhttp://www.terrificon.com/comic-book-artists---writers.htmlPanel Schedule-Fri. (8/9) at 7:30pm - John Barrowman's Fabulous Cabaret -Sat. (8/10) at 5:30pm - John Barrowman Q&A -Sun. (8/11) at 12:00pm - The Flash of Two Worlds with John Wesley Shipp Steel City Con, August 9-11, 2019 (Monroeville, PA) Ernie Hudson and Kelly Huhttps://www.steelcitycon.com/celebrities/Event Schedule -Fri. (8/9) at 7:00pm - Friday 13th Panel (incl. Kelly Hu) -Sat. (8/10) at 1:00pm - Ernie Hudson Q&A Return to the Gate: Atlantis Rising, August 9-10, 2019 (Sydney, Australia) Return to the Gate: Atlantis Rising, August 11, 2019 (Melbourne, Australia) David Nyklhttps://thehubproductions.com/event/atlantis-rising/ -Sat. (8/10) at 2:30pm - Q&A Session with David Nykl & David Hewlett -Sun. (8/11) at 2:30pm - Q&A Session with David Nykl & David Hewlett Edited August 6, 2019 by tv echo Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5502126
Velocity23 August 5, 2019 Share August 5, 2019 I am bit confused by them saying KC couldnt make the TCA because she was prepping for her debut. Since prep should be done by now. And didnt the clapper say first scene August 2nd. And the fact its a holiday in British Columbia. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5502151
RS3 August 5, 2019 Share August 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: I am bit confused by them saying KC couldnt make the TCA because she was prepping for her debut. Since prep should be done by now. And didnt the clapper say first scene August 2nd. And the fact its a holiday in British Columbia. It was a holiday and she did film her first day already, as stated by Stephen himself. I'm also 97% convinced that if Juliana and Rick were invited, they would have been there. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/2872-social-media-and-behind-the-scenes-aka-everything-else-not-news-and-media/page/766/#findComment-5502173
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