S07.E11: Fashionably Fired Up

[ScoobieDoobs]

Hope that makes sense.

 

Well, no, to me it makes no sense at all.  At the SkinnyGirl business meeting she was perfectly fine & not a tear in sight.  To me, she's working the Bravo cameras for all it's worth & that's it.  Sorry, but I have little patience anymore for the crying.  My sister went thru a way more difficult divorce than Bethenny & her children & much of her money were whisked away from her in a horrible, horrible, horrible way.  She didn't have buckets of dough to back her up.  Thank goodness some awesome lawyer friends of mine were able to help.  But her divorce & millions of women's divorces are much, much, much worse than Bethenny's.  She still has her SkinnyGirl millions to fall back on, so  she gets ZERO sympathy from me at this point.  I really wanna see NO more crying from her.

 

And about that preview of her screaming at Sonja to STFU -- no likey.  Look, it made me laugh at first & I did think that, hey, it's about time someone said it to her.  But it's cruel.  And it's similar to the way she squashed Kelly.  The difference is Sonja is mostly harmless & rather sweet.  Kelly was nasty.  She deserved whatever Bethenny shoveled at her.  But Sonja?  Idk, I don't think I'm gonna enjoy watching Bethenny pummel her.

[BlackMamba]

Andy isn't an Exec Producer at Bravo anymore, right? Maybe he couldn't sell Bravo on a Bethenny solo show, so he decided to use RHoNY as a test pilot for her. And leave us wanting more? I don't think the ratings will prove that out for him.

He is the EP of the HWs. Watch the credits when the ahow starts hes name is right there. But Bethenny had two solo shows that did well expect the final season of Bethenny Ever After.

[EtheltoTillie]

I thought the drama over Bethenny's scheduling change was over the top.  So what if she was going to leave a day early?  It wasn't as if she was asking them to reschedule the whole event.

 

http://www.vulture.com/2015/06/real-housewives-of-new-york-city-recap-season-7-episode-11.html

 

I commend this New York Magazine/Vulture recap to you all.  The guy who does these is really funny.  I love that he calls Luanne Countess Crackerjacks.

 

I'm still trying to figure out how I grew up so near Corona and never heard of the Park Side restaurant.  I'm going to have to try it.

Edited June 18, 2015 by GussieK

[izabella]

He is the EP of the HWs. Watch the credits when the ahow starts hes name is right there. But Bethenny had two solo shows that did well expect the final season of Bethenny Ever After.

 

So he is the EP of the HW's, and he has to pitch new shows to Bravo and see if they'll buy them.   He's not actually making the decision at Bravo on what shows to say yay or nay to.    He has a production company that produces the shows.  That was my understanding - do I have that wrong?.

Edited June 18, 2015 by izabella

[missy jo]

I hope that RH quits hiring folks who have serious drug and or alcohol problems.  It is not that pretty.  You forgot Brandi--I think she probably for purposes during filming had the alcohol issues.  I do believe Kristen accused Ramona last year of having a drinking problem.  I am waiting to see how smashed Sonja gets in T&C.

 

 

If Beth hadn't always been this way, to an extent, I'd think she was on an upper such as Mother's Little Helper - Adderall. I still kind of think that.

 

FYI.. Ramona hasn't been on at all this season, so she is the only NY HW who hasn't had the honor. Both Beth and Heather have been on twice. I wonder what the deal is there? Ramona has also almost stopped writing her Bravo blogs completely.

 

 

Well, *that's* not a good sign.

 

I didn't know that there hasn't been a "whose side are you on" poll [on WWHL].

 

 

It's truly bizarre that there hasn't been a "Whose Side Are You On - Bethenny or Heather?" poll.

[zoeysmom]

Lotusflower I needed to get out my slide rule for this one!

 

I was wondering why the ladies can't choose to think of it as something that benefits Bryn, forget about Bethenny, just think about it as being for a little girl who wants to see her mom. That helps to make the annoyance fall away. To me it does anyway.

 

I did express my sincere astonishment about why anyone would have a hard time accommodating (or even understanding) a need for mom and baby girl to be together. I'd go out of my way to help make it happen and I get why she falls to pieces because I probably would, too. 

 

Hope that makes sense.

I applaud your thoughtfulness and just once I would love for a parent to express it your way.  It is always about their rights and their lack of 24/7 access.  I mentioned perhaps Bethenny's custody trial would have gone better if instead of tearing down her child's father, she would have emphasized the benefits of having Bryn with her mother more than 50% of the time.

 

The obvious answer is of course once you have amassed 20 million dollars there would never be a reason to be away from your child.  Home schooling and all those things would be terrific.  I think the rub is Bethenny chose to work on the show knowing Bryn could not be a part of filming and has instead chosen to use her custodial issue as the substitute for Bryn.  I am all for any parent who commits to spend every waking hour with their child -it is their right.  I think it would be wonderful if Bethenny home schooled her Monday through Friday and then had the child every other weekend and 50% of the non school hours.  Granted she would have to give up a few things but she longs to be with her child so.

[motorcitymom65]

 

Yeah, I realized when I asked the question that I would be inviting a bunch of "because Bethenny wasn't there" responses. But, we have seen many scenes without her that I found pretty dull - the boxing scene, Kristen's nail polish meeting, Kristen having her people take photos for her blog, Kristen with her housekeeper and the plastic wrap, etc. So why cut something that would both be scandalous and fits the narrative? Makes no sense. 

 

 

 

 

No doubt, there are scenes of the ho'wives doing their own thing or in groups of 2 (although not many of them alone this year - not nearly as many as in previous seasons). What we see almost none of is a scene with more than 3 ho'wives doing whatever they do, minus Beth. It seems like we are for the most part, only seeing scenes with multiple girls if those outings include Beth. Of course there have been some - if she missed as much stuff as folks said she did in the beginning, there would be no way to not include some of it. But if you think about the other scenes - not the individual ones - they almost all include Beth. It is actually kind of strange to think that she wasn't showing up to a lot of stuff, because we are seeing her all of the time. In the episode last night, she was literally everywhere except in the last scene and the shopping one with Lu/Kristen. There is simply no denying that she is in a majority of the footage this season, and considering there are 8 girls, that is astonishing. More astonishing is that we are at episode 11 and Heather has still not had one single segment of her own. Also, the fact that Heather and Carole are so close and see each other often, and outside of the early scene in episode 2, we have seen Carole with Beth more than we have seen Carole with Heather. If you just started watching the show this season, I don't think you would even know that they are BFF's. 

Edited June 18, 2015 by motorcitymom65

[ButterQueen]

On WWHL Andy just said the T&C trip lasts for 4 episodes. He also called it epic and said there hasn't been anything like this since Scary Island.

That makes me so happy. I still have Scary Island saved on my DVR.

I don't like that Bethenny is the great divide....it makes the show boring. And while I love her TH's, I'm tired of her being the only one.

I laughed at Dorinda calling Kristin's sweater dress old school, while wearing that frumpy gray lace dress.

Hey Bethenny, if you NEED your daughter so much, you should have stayed married. Oh I feel sorry for Brynn.

[KungFuBunny]

While I agree that alot of this is shown out of sequence, in this particular incidence, I'm not sure.  Bethenny was at the televised outing at Boutique, when John showed up, so there would have been no reason for them to relay Sonja's escapades to her.  I don't believe they ever mentioned anything about how this all happened after Bethenny left.  But, I could be wrong, too.    :-)

I think the Boutique night out were 2 different nights

 

The first time....Dorinda was not there and they each tattled to Dorinda that he was there...and she said something like he was at a business meeting at the front restaurant and then went to the back for a drink afterwards

The night they were discussing Boutique with Bethenny...I thought Dorinda was commenting about it like she was there...and Bethenny said something like when she was all over John were you upset with Sonja and Dorinda said something like I don't care about her actions I care about his reactions...

 

I could be totally off too..

[njbchlover]

Yeah.  I noticed.  And the finger that she licked was the same finger she drew the smile with across his ass crack.

 

And you just know those guys were struggling actors who just flushed their dignity down the toilet for a nominal paycheck.  Andy's games are so lame. 

 

That is exactly when I change the channel on WWHL whenever I watch.  I just want to hear the questions asked of the guests and their answers.  Once the stupid ass game starts, I switch to catch the weather on the local news (it's usually timed right), or switch to Friends or another sitcom rerun.  

[Jel]

I applaud your thoughtfulness and just once I would love for a parent to express it your way.  It is always about their rights and their lack of 24/7 access.  I mentioned perhaps Bethenny's custody trial would have gone better if instead of tearing down her child's father, she would have emphasized the benefits of having Bryn with her mother more than 50% of the time.

 

The obvious answer is of course once you have amassed 20 million dollars there would never be a reason to be away from your child.  Home schooling and all those things would be terrific.  I think the rub is Bethenny chose to work on the show knowing Bryn could not be a part of filming and has instead chosen to use her custodial issue as the substitute for Bryn.  I am all for any parent who commits to spend every waking hour with their child -it is their right.  I think it would be wonderful if Bethenny home schooled her Monday through Friday and then had the child every other weekend and 50% of the non school hours.  Granted she would have to give up a few things but she longs to be with her child so.

I assume Bethenny sees this as her career, and I am a feminist, so naturally, I support her ability to choose to work, build an empire or stay home.

 

As well all know, there are pluses and minuses to all of these choices. (but prolly beyond the scope of this discussion)

 

And thank you for the applause! :)

[RedheadZombie]

Sonja sold some property that would have gone along ways in satisfying her debt and then her ex sued the bankruptcy estate so Sonja is waiting for the determination,

 

Sonja has lost what goodwill I ever had for her, and I'm almost all out of empathy.  But I still have to ask why old man Morgan would do this.  I'm sure he may have perfectly sound reasoning, but he must know that she's teetering on the edge of full-out delusion.  I don't understand what he would have to gain, and this is a person who co-parents his young daughter.  Sonja's a willfully blind woman who refuses to take any responsibility for her poor choices, but this really seems like he's kicking her while she's down.

[njbchlover]

 

 

And about that preview of her screaming at Sonja to STFU -- no likey.  Look, it made me laugh at first & I did think that, hey, it's about time someone said it to her.  But it's cruel.  And it's similar to the way she squashed Kelly.  The difference is Sonja is mostly harmless & rather sweet.  Kelly was nasty.  She deserved whatever Bethenny shoveled at her.  But Sonja?  Idk, I don't think I'm gonna enjoy watching Bethenny pummel her.

 

I kind of agree with you here - however, I will refrain from judgement until I see the whole thing (I'll be out of town next week, so I'm going to have to wait)!  And, if Bethenny's yelling at Sonja will make Sonja see the light about how she's in a downward spiral, then I'll be okay with it.

 

Sonja's talking heads all state how much she appreciates Bethenny's honesty with her - let's see if she can stick with that.

[LotusFlower]

Lotusflower I needed to get out my slide rule for this one!

 

I was wondering why the ladies can't choose to think of it as something that benefits Bryn, forget about Bethenny, just think about it as being for a little girl who wants to see her mom. That helps to make the annoyance fall away. To me it does anyway.

 

I did express my sincere astonishment about why anyone would have a hard time accommodating (or even understanding) a need for mom and baby girl to be together. I'd go out of my way to help make it happen and I get why she falls to pieces because I probably would, too. 

Because they have children, too. Heather and Kristen's children are very young, and deserve the same consideration. Your post makes it seem like this is a group of single ladies with no children, and they need to accommodate the one friend with a young girl at home who needs her mom. And furthermore, it seems they did go out of their way to accommodate Bethenny's special needs (no pun intended) - when picking the date, they worked around her custody agreement, as well as traveling during the week as opposed to Bethenny's valuable weekend time with Bryn. I mean, really - what else were they supposed to do?

[bravofan27]

Has anyone noticed that Bethenny "laughed" this episode a few times, or chuckled and when she did her eyes got really big and round and she smiled using all her teeth. She pushed her face outward and it got red fro all the pressure she was putting into her expression. She looked kind of manic, and it's a new thing she is doing. It's actually pretty much what Heather does, is when she is amused, she opens her eyes really wide and gives that huge smile and cackles, and gets really excited, like she is just ready to erupt with laughter.

 

Maybe Bethenny is picking up Heather's mannerisms. Maybe it has nothing to do with Heather, but it's like, "where did she get this from?" It's really weird and she she seems crazy when she does it. 

Edited June 18, 2015 by bravofan27

[MatildaMoody]

Because they have children, too. Heather and Kristen's children are very young, and deserve the same consideration. Your post makes it seem like this is a group of single ladies with no children, and they need to accommodate the one friend with a young girl at home who needs her mom. And furthermore, it seems they did go out of their way to accommodate Bethenny's special needs (no pun intended) - when picking the date, they worked around her custody agreement, as well as traveling during the week as opposed to Bethenny's valuable weekend time with Bryn. I mean, really - what else were they supposed to do?

I think this is where my confusion comes in. Kristen and Heather were ok with Bethenny the trip leaving early, yes? And Bethenny didn't ask them to reschedule the trip, right? So if both of those things were true, why is there an argument? I get that Ramona stirred some unnecessary shit for screen time, but why is there an argument about who had to reschedule what for whom?  I didn't think that happened when I watched the episode, and it sounds like that didn't actually happen from what I have gleaned from this discussion. So, what is the actual issue, aside from Ramona doing a very good job of stirring unnecessary shit?

[motorcitymom65]

Because they have children, too. Heather and Kristen's children are very young, and deserve the same consideration. Your post makes it seem like this is a group of single ladies with no children, and they need to accommodate the one friend with a young girl at home who needs her mom. And furthermore, it seems they did go out of their way to accommodate Bethenny's special needs (no pun intended) - when picking the date, they worked around her custody agreement, as well as traveling during the week as opposed to Bethenny's valuable weekend time with Bryn. I mean, really - what else were they supposed to do?

I think they have acted appropriately. Certainly, I agree that few of us working moms are able to do what we do without the assistance of others. Like many others who post here, I have been fortunate to have co-workers and managers who allow me to balance work and family. I think that Beth needs this and from what I see she has received it. What I have also learned is that when you are going to need folks to work with you and be supportive, it helps to be kind. People are more willing to assist and empathize if they like you. That is just a fact. Beth hasn't always been kind or shown support to her co-workers, and that is what these ladies are. She was beyond rude to Heather from the beginning. What Lu said was true; someone could perhaps be annoyed with her, but Beth was at times downright cruel. She has been nothing except dismissive of Kristen. I know this isn't real world, and their work environment is not indicative of actual work environments or relationships, but it's as close an analogy as we can accurately make. If you work with someone who clearly doesn't respect you, is dismissive of you, and tries to ice you out, you are going to be less sympathetic to their issues. Everyone doesn't have to like everyone. I have zero problem if she just doesn't gel with them. She doesn't have to treat them like shit however, unless and until they do something to deserve it. After that, they are on their own.

[zoeysmom]

If Beth hadn't always been this way, to an extent, I'd think she was on an upper such as Mother's Little Helper - Adderall. I still kind of think that.

 

 

Well, *that's* not a good sign.

 

 

It's truly bizarre that there hasn't been a "Whose Side Are You On - Bethenny or Heather?" poll.

Ramona was on WWHL the first week this season.  That is when she commented on Brandi's fillers and caused an east coast west coast smack down.  Apparently, Ramona ignored the war Brandi was try to fuel.

[AnnA]

I think this is where my confusion comes in. Kristen and Heather were ok with Bethenny the trip leaving early, yes? And Bethenny didn't ask them to reschedule the trip, right? So if both of those things were true, why is there an argument? I get that Ramona stirred some unnecessary shit for screen time, but why is there an argument about who had to reschedule what for whom?  I didn't think that happened when I watched the episode, and it sounds like that didn't actually happen from what I have gleaned from this discussion. So, what is the actual issue, aside from Ramona doing a very good job of stirring unnecessary shit?

 

I don't see an issue either but anyone who doesn't like Bethenny is going to manufacture one.

 

I wasn't thrilled with Heather a few times this season but I thought she was OK with Bethenny leaving early.   I also think she's playing it smart now.......just the way LuAnn told Kristen......let it happen naturally.  I wouldn't want someone to force feed me friendship or concern but if it happened over time, that's OK.

 

I realize that Kristen and Heather both have young children but their child care issues can't be compared to Bethenny's.  Their situations are entirely different.

[WireWrap]

I think this is where my confusion comes in. Kristen and Heather were ok with Bethenny the trip leaving early, yes? And Bethenny didn't ask them to reschedule the trip, right? So if both of those things were true, why is there an argument? I get that Ramona stirred some unnecessary shit for screen time, but why is there an argument about who had to reschedule what for whom?  I didn't think that happened when I watched the episode, and it sounds like that didn't actually happen from what I have gleaned from this discussion. So, what is the actual issue, aside from Ramona doing a very good job of stirring unnecessary shit?

All the HW's were fine, well except Bethenny/Ramona. She, Bethenny, blamed Heather in her TH and in her blog and Ramona blamed Kristen. As for the discussion here, many of us are tired of hearing that Bethenny doesn't want to be away from Bryn, which makes us ask why she is on the show because she knew she would have to travel and go to events/parties when she had Bryn at her home. There are 2 other women with young children and 1 of them has a child with life threatening issues but we don't hear them use it as an excuse for bad behavior or to get out of an event/trip/leave early. JMO

[motorcitymom65]

Ramona was on WWHL the first week this season.  That is when she commented on Brandi's fillers and caused an east coast west coast smack down.  Apparently, Ramona ignored the war Brandi was try to fuel.

Yes, you are right. I thought Beth got the first show and didn't remember her after that. Thanks for the correction!

[LotusFlower]

I think this is where my confusion comes in. Kristen and Heather were ok with Bethenny the trip leaving early, yes? And Bethenny didn't ask them to reschedule the trip, right? So if both of those things were true, why is there an argument? I get that Ramona stirred some unnecessary shit for screen time, but why is there an argument about who had to reschedule what for whom?  I didn't think that happened when I watched the episode, and it sounds like that didn't actually happen from what I have gleaned from this discussion. So, what is the actual issue, aside from Ramona doing a very good job of stirring unnecessary shit?

I think the only argument was on the boards (here). As for the show - you're right - no one complained. It was only Ramona who stirred up some trouble. She said that Bethenny had to reschedule, when in reality, she only needed to leave a day earlier.

[MatildaMoody]

I just read Bethenny's blog and I didn't see her blaming Heather for anything?

As a matter of fact, Bethenny' doesn't mention Heather in her blog.

Edited June 18, 2015 by MatildaMoody

[WireWrap]

I don't see an issue either but anyone who doesn't like Bethenny is going to manufacture one.

 

I wasn't thrilled with Heather a few times this season but I thought she was OK with Bethenny leaving early.   I also think she's playing it smart now.......just the way LuAnn told Kristen......let it happen naturally.  I wouldn't want someone to force feed me friendship or concern but if it happened over time, that's OK.

 

I realize that Kristen and Heather both have young children but their child care issues can't be compared to Bethenny's.  Their situations are entirely different.

Right, Bethenny may only get to see Bryn 50% of the time but Bryn is a very healthy little girl, whereas Jax has life threatening medical issues that will follow him for his entire life............Bethenny's custody heartbreak is nothing in comparison IMO.

[LilaFowler]

This show will create episode-long drama out of nothing.  Ramona really needs prescription medication. What she did to Kristen, confronting her on behalf of Bethenny, was exactly what Alex did to Jill (also on behalf of Bethenny). Both came off looking like total morons. 

[RedheadZombie]

Look Bethenny even said she was name dropping. So let's not down play who's more famous because in the end if you know who Paris Hilton is odds are you will know who Nicky is and so on if you follow their families closely. They are still well known even if they are not MJ or P Diddy. Just my opinion though.

 

It was by no means as egregious as Sonja, but I would consider it name-dropping.  Specifically because you know Kyle's older daughters would have been with them, but Bethenny didn't mention them because they don't carry name recognition.

 

I don't understand why Bethany's schedule is such a big effing deal to these women. Every howife, every franchise goes on trips. Many times people join late or leave early. So why is B a big baddie for only staying a few days? I swear Kristen and Heather just need something to be mad a B about. Jealousy maybe? 

 

This question has come up frequently over the years, and across the franchises.  From what I gather, these big trips are incredibly stressful because you can't escape from the cameras for days on end.  No one really looks forward to them, and the ladies often become irritable when certain wives get out of them.  Why else would the NY housewives have complained that Aviva did not accompany them out west?  They all despised her at that point.

 

I think jealousy is always a simplistic explanation on these shows.  After watching Bethenny this season, I feel nothing but the realization that success, wealth, fame, and a healthy child isn't enough to make some folks happy.  I'm not sure what Heather and Kristen are supposed to be jealous over.  They each have good figures, seemingly happy marriages, their children full time, and in Heather's case - a successful business.  Perhaps they're unhappy with the preferential treatment Bethenny receives, but that's not truly jealousy of her as a person.

[LotusFlower]

I realize that Kristen and Heather both have young children but their child care issues can't be compared to Bethenny's.  Their situations are entirely different.

Bethenny has one small child, Heather and Kristen both have two. Bethenny has a healthy child, Heather and Kristen each have a child with an illness or disability who need extra attention. So I would think the accommodations would be more geared to them, but apparently not. Why? Because they don't complain or bemoan. Or because The B is Back! so their needs are less important.

[WireWrap]

I just read Bethenny's blog and I didn't see her blaming Heather for anything?

As a matter of fact, Bethenny' doesn't mention Heather in her blog.

Your right, my bad, Sorry. It was Heather she was snide about in her TH and Kristen she nasty/accusatory about in her blog.

[BeachyMum]

I loved the scene with LuAnn explaining the history of the Warwick Hotel. I thought her line looked nice and I thought it was hysterical when the  mannequins seem to fall apart so easily. I liked that everyone there had a laugh with that.

 

  What I don't like is seeing 2 or 3 housewives being excluded..it's not nice and it puts me off the show.  Beth's Cupcake crap afternoon was dull and she did not even bother to look up when Sonja mentioned everyone going to T&C. She said she didn't enjoy Atlantic City so that was rude to both Sonja(the hostess) and Ramona(her Birthday).   I would have liked to seen ALL  the housewives at dinner and without any SG products..this whole episode had far too much SG promotion. It's nauseating!  

 

  Does Beth think it's funny to mock others constantly? It's a good thing she doesn't want any attention.  She has no sense of humor and has just become mean.  I am shocked that Ramona went after Kristen, I was really enjoying her UNTIL she flipped out. What a nut! There is no way Beth would ever have Ramona's back and will obviously turn on her.  

 

   I loved seeing Heather stick up for Kristen.  She does seem very genuine and loyal.  

[MatildaMoody]

Right, Bethenny may only get to see Bryn 50% of the time but Bryn is a very healthy little girl, whereas Jax has life threatening medical issues that will follow him for his entire life............Bethenny's custody heartbreak is nothing in comparison IMO.

I didn't know Jax had life threatening medical issues. I thought his issues were related to his childhood transplant. Is he still facing life threatening issues? I honestly thought he was out of the woods when it came to whether or not he would live.

The only reason I actually started to like Heather was because of her wanting to "fix" his hearing and how important that was for her as a mom. I had no idea that he was still at risk of losing his life to his illness.

Now I feel awful for even commenting on the show when such heavy shit is going on.

[msblossom]

I'm thinking the same way. I think she came up with the margarita idea and saw it through, and I give her a lot of credit for the idea, although her business partner at the time seems to be the one that negotiated the deal with the liquor giant. The rest of the Skinnygirl brand seems to be simply attaching the name onto already existing products. Teresa Giudice did the same thing, and pretty successfully, and she's as dumb as they come, so I'm wondering just how smart and successful the line really is.

[snip]

Well, actually, Bethenny isn't the one who came up with the SG Margarita. Originally Bethenny's mom is the one who created it years ago at home because she was diet obsessed and wanted to enjoy her margaritas and made them low cal. That's what her mother claimed anyway in PEOPLE Magazine about 4 or 5 years ago. And I believe Bethenny has at one point confirmed this. That said, she was the one who successfully turned a homemade concoction into a drink and the timing was right. I have no idea how successful her bottled cocktails are, along with all her other products, but I don't begrudge her the millions she's profited from it.

Edited June 18, 2015 by msblossom

[AnnA]

I think the only argument was on the boards (here). As for the show - you're right - no one complained. It was only Ramona who stirred up some trouble. She said that Bethenny had to reschedule, when in reality, she only needed to leave a day earlier.

 

You're absolutely right.    Kristen and Heather didn't say or do anything.   

 

I really don't want to play the episode and FF to this scene but wasn't it Ramona who pounced on Bethenny about "rescheduling" the trip as soon as she arrived?  I'm pretty sure it was but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.  

Edited June 18, 2015 by AnnA

[KungFuBunny]

I think they have acted appropriately. Certainly, I agree that few of us working moms are able to do what we do without the assistance of others. Like many others who post here, I have been fortunate to have co-workers and managers who allow me to balance work and family. I think that Beth needs this and from what I see she has received it. What I have also learned is that when you are going to need folks to work with you and be supportive, it helps to be kind. People are more willing to assist and empathize if they like you. That is just a fact. Beth hasn't always been kind or shown support to her co-workers, and that is what these ladies are. She was beyond rude to Heather from the beginning. What Lu said was true; someone could perhaps be annoyed with her, but Beth was at times downright cruel. She has been nothing except dismissive of Kristen. I know this isn't real world, and their work environment is not indicative of actual work environments or relationships, but it's as close an analogy as we can accurately make. If you work with someone who clearly doesn't respect you, is dismissive of you, and tries to ice you out, you are going to be less sympathetic to their issues. Everyone doesn't have to like everyone. I have zero problem if she just doesn't gel with them. She doesn't have to treat them like shit however, unless and until they do something to deserve it. After that, they are on their own.

Funny how we all watch the same show and see something different.

 

Let's go from the start

Bethenny meets the girls in the Hamptons at Luanne's new house.

Heather says to Bethenny you owe Luanne a car for helping you with the SG Margarita. It was a joke...but it was bitchy as Heather then launched into I told my BFF if Yummy Tummy ever made it big I would buy her a car.

Bethenny griped about it her TH shot..but if I were her I would have said I will buy Luanne a car when you buy Sara Blakely creator of Spanx a car thanking her for stealing her product and just renaming it, just kidding, I'm joking....tit for tat.

 

Kristen was invited to Bethenny's brunch...I didn't see Kristen being iced out. Heather was there too they all seemed to get along.

 

Next encounter with Heather...Heather talks about her CNN segment...Bethenny was rude to make fun of it. Heather starts bitching about Ramona...Bethenny did listen to her but told her to shut up after 5 minutes.

 

Heather goes to Bethenny's Birthday dinner - seemed to have a good time

 

Heather/Dorinda/Carole/Bethenny go for drinks.

Heather tells Bethenny she was rude and hurt Kristen's feelings not inviting her to the Birthday dinner.

Heather the same person who intentionally did NOT invite Ramona to London....and let Ramona know they were all going to London and still refused to invite her.

Heather tried to make it sound as if Bethenny did not invite Kristen on purpose and told Bethenny she needed to apologize.

I would have been like bitch you trying to tell me who should be on my guest list for my own birthday party????

When Heather found out she was Carole's plus one - I think this was the event that drew the sand in the line for BOTH of them.

 

Kristen was in AC with Bethenny and played Blackjack alone with Bethenny (well besides guy in Elvis hat) - didn't seem like Bethenny was "icing" her out

 

So where prior to the AOA event was Bethenny dismissive of or ice Kristen out?

As for the Heather/Bethenny relationship - I see rudeness on both their parts

[AnnA]

Right, Bethenny may only get to see Bryn 50% of the time but Bryn is a very healthy little girl, whereas Jax has life threatening medical issues that will follow him for his entire life............Bethenny's custody heartbreak is nothing in comparison IMO.

 

 

Bethenny has one small child, Heather and Kristen both have two. Bethenny has a healthy child, Heather and Kristen each have a child with an illness or disability who need extra attention. So I would think the accommodations would be more geared to them, but apparently not. Why? Because they don't complain or bemoan. Or because The B is Back! so their needs are less important.

 

Everyone's "heartbreak" is personal.  I would never make light of or dismiss someone's "custody heartbreak" because someone else's might be more serious.  That's not for me to judge.

 

You've both made good points.  However, following the logic that has been applied to Bethenny, I can't help but wonder why Heather and Kristen are on a reality TV show when they each have a child needing extra attention because they're suffering from an illness or disability.

[WireWrap]

I didn't know Jax had life threatening medical issues. I thought his issues were related to his childhood transplant. Is he still facing life threatening issues? I honestly thought he was out of the woods when it came to whether or not he would live.

The only reason I actually started to like Heather was because of her wanting to "fix" his hearing and how important that was for her as a mom. I had no idea that he was still at risk of losing his life to his illness.

Now I feel awful for even commenting on the show when such heavy shit is going on.

Child organ donation recipients face needing a second or third transplant, or more, over the course of their lives. The medication they take to stave off rejecting that organ suppresses their immune system and leaves them open to any communicable illness/disease and even a common cold can kill them. Jax has more health problems outside of his hearing and being an organ donation recipient, he has major allergies (food, hence Heathers knowledge about that issue at  the Berkshires dinner) and that is why Jax's nanny leaving them was so stressful for Heather because she was trained to care for Jax's problems. With all that, Heather has never, ever, used her fears about Jax as an excuse/reason for her bad behavior.

[LotusFlower]

You've both made good points.  However, following the logic that has been applied to Bethenny, I can't help but wonder why Heather and Kristen are on a reality TV show when they each have a child needing extra attention because they're suffering from an illness or disability.

Because they're making it work, or their values are different from Bethenny's in that they're managing and balancing their time on the show with their family life and other work commitments in a way that satisfies them and doesn't make them cry or unhappy.

[imjagain]

"Hey Bethenny, if you NEED your daughter so much, you should have stayed married. Oh I feel sorry for Brynn."

I'm sorry but that seems a bit much,

Beth divorced, 50% of America does that. I have my issues with Beth but staying married to some one you don't love or like is not one of them.

Beth irks me. She is whining through my show, and I can not find my empathy because she is rich and does not need this show. And still is on it and complains about time.

Saying that, Beth (or anyone)should never stay in a marriage for her child.

Edited June 18, 2015 by imjagain

[WireWrap]

Everyone's "heartbreak" is personal.  I would never make light of or dismiss someone's "custody heartbreak" because someone else's might be more serious.  That's not for me to judge.

 

You've both made good points.  However, following the logic that has been applied to Bethenny, I can't help but wonder why Heather and Kristen are on a reality TV show when they each have a child needing extra attention because they're suffering from an illness or disability.

Yes, that could be said of Heather with Jax's medical problems but Heather is not the one making her child an issue on the show, that would be Bethenny. If Heather does that, then she too will be questioned why she is on the show. As for Kristen's daughter, I believe she said her daughter was fine now and we did see her running down the hallway at home, so I suspect that the PT she got did the trick.

[hottesthw]

I just think it's better to leave someone alone when they are clearly a raw nerve. As Kelly Bensimone once said, just staaaawwwwpppp.

So then they can watch in TH that someone call them an ice princess and freezing the room out.

[KungFuBunny]

Luanne at the shoe store scene and the dinner at Parkside wore a statement necklace. It was stunning on her..just the right size

 

I know I snark about make believe statement necklaces for Luanne...but I have to give it to her...every once in a while she hits it out of the park. 

 

Statement necklace suggestions for the Foodie crowd:

1) Wok

2) Lasagna Tray

3) 10 Whisks dangling on a choker

[Aethera]

We're getting a bit heated here. I'm not sure we're going to get anywhere in this particular argument. These children all need and love their mothers, and I'm also sure the mothers all love their children, regardless of their chosen lifestyles. They all have challenges, and we don't have to rank them. Let's all take a breath and move on, please? Thanks :)

[The Evil One]

I dunno, I guess I see it from both sides. Is Bethenny taking over the season? Yes. But rare people like Heather and Kristin trying to make themselves relevant by causing friction with Bethenny? Yes.

Am I over the BB (the Bethenny Breakdown)? In many ways yes. Though it's far less painful than watching Shannon on the RHOC! I think Bethenny is her own worst enemy. She's type A to begin with, then add in her own terrible mother, crappy childhood and now the divorce, she is so down and punishing herself for not giving Brynn the childhood she dreamed of. 99% of her meltdowns are Brynn related. I think she's covered the fact that she has some massive abandonment issues. She seems so disappointed in how things turned out that she is massively overcompensating. No parent can be there for everything, all the time, but it seems like to Bethenny - that's her answer.

The funny thing about Kristin being all butthurt about Bethenny's comment about POC...she didn't do much to refute it.

I will say I am looking forward to T&C.

[motorcitymom65]

Funny how we all watch the same show and see something different.

 

Let's go from the start

Bethenny meets the girls in the Hamptons at Luanne's new house.

Heather says to Bethenny you owe Luanne a car for helping you with the SG Margarita. It was a joke...but it was bitchy as Heather then launched into I told my BFF if Yummy Tummy ever made it big I would buy her a car.

Bethenny griped about it her TH shot..but if I were her I would have said I will buy Luanne a car when you buy Sara Blakely creator of Spanx a car thanking her for stealing her product and just renaming it, just kidding, I'm joking....tit for tat.

 

Kristen was invited to Bethenny's brunch...I didn't see Kristen being iced out. Heather was there too they all seemed to get along.

 

Next encounter with Heather...Heather talks about her CNN segment...Bethenny was rude to make fun of it. Heather starts bitching about Ramona...Bethenny did listen to her but told her to shut up after 5 minutes.

 

Heather goes to Bethenny's Birthday dinner - seemed to have a good time

 

Heather/Dorinda/Carole/Bethenny go for drinks.

Heather tells Bethenny she was rude and hurt Kristen's feelings not inviting her to the Birthday dinner.

Heather the same person who intentionally did NOT invite Ramona to London....and let Ramona know they were all going to London and still refused to invite her.

Heather tried to make it sound as if Bethenny did not invite Kristen on purpose and told Bethenny she needed to apologize.

I would have been like bitch you trying to tell me who should be on my guest list for my own birthday party????

When Heather found out she was Carole's plus one - I think this was the event that drew the sand in the line for BOTH of them.

 

Kristen was in AC with Bethenny and played Blackjack alone with Bethenny (well besides guy in Elvis hat) - didn't seem like Bethenny was "icing" her out

 

So where prior to the AOA event was Bethenny dismissive of or ice Kristen out?

As for the Heather/Bethenny relationship - I see rudeness on both their parts

Not to be picky, but some of this is not the way that I remember it happening at all:

Heather started the comment about giving Lu a car by first telling the story of how she and her friend had made a deal that if she sold her company for millions of dollars she would owe her a Rolex or a car. She was trying to create a bond, as how often do you have two gals sitting in the same house on the same couch that both had friends involved in the naming of their companies? Beth looked less than interested. Heather then made the joke that she should buy Lu a car.

Heather wasn't bitching about Ramona at the deal where they discussed her segment on CNBC. Beth was bitching about Ramona. She was still talking about the whole brunch deal. Heather started by agreeing that Ramona could be difficult and that she had some early problems with her, but that she had actually changed quite a bit. Beth cut her off when it appeared she was defending Ramona and contradicting her. She didn't want to hear Heather give an opinion that didn't jive with her own. She was beyond rude to say "can you just stop. I don't care about this". She was the one who had started the conversation.

Heather didn't tell Beth it was rude to not invite Kristen. She simply gave her a heads up, in case she saw her next and it came up, that Kristen was hurt. She gave zero judgement on whether or not Beth had done the wrong thing. She never one time said that Beth should have invited her. Then Beth went crazy and started snoring, and talked about not caring whether or not Kristen was hurt. She said she would say that to Kristen's face. It was only then that Heather suggested it wasn't nice to say that she didn't care to Kristen's face and she should say she didn't mean to hurt her feelings and maybe they could try to get to know each other.

Lastly, I agree that Beth was not mean to Kristen when they were at the Blackjack table. She must have been dismissive, however, because in her blog that week she said she was irritated when she looked up and Kristen was there (irritated might not be the word she used, but that was the point) because she had been hoping to have some time alone and didn't feel like socializing with anyone at that time.

[BlackMamba]

Bethenny crying a river to LuAnn was great and probably the best acting she did for the camera all season.

"I dont want to do this anymore." Wahhh.

Oh, Beth, Bravo has 1M reasons and one large platform you will keep going through the "torture."

[hottesthw]

I realize that Kristen and Heather both have young children but their child care issues can't be compared to Bethenny's. Their situations are entirely different.

Bethenny doesn't have child care issues. She has scheduling issues. She doesn't seem to cry over leaving her kid for SG work or trips with a man.

[KungFuBunny]

Not to be picky, but some of this is not the way that I remember it happening at all:

Heather started the comment about giving Lu a car by first telling the story of how she and her friend had made a deal that if she sold her company for millions of dollars she would owe her a Rolex or a car. She was trying to create a bond, as how often do you have two gals sitting in the same house on the same couch that both had friends involved in the naming of their companies? Beth looked less than interested. Heather then made the joke that she should buy Lu a car.

Heather wasn't bitching about Ramona at the deal where they discussed her segment on CNBC. Beth was bitching about Ramona. She was still talking about the whole brunch deal. Heather started by agreeing that Ramona could be difficult and that she had some early problems with her, but that she had actually changed quite a bit. Beth cut her off when it appeared she was defending Ramona and contradicting her. She didn't want to hear Heather give an opinion that didn't jive with her own. She was beyond rude to say "can you just stop. I don't care about this". She was the one who had started the conversation.

Heather didn't tell Beth it was rude to not invite Kristen. She simply gave her a heads up, in case she saw her next and it came up, that Kristen was hurt. She gave zero judgement on whether or not Beth had done the wrong thing. She never one time said that Beth should have invited her. Then Beth went crazy and started snoring, and talked about not caring whether or not Kristen was hurt. She said she would say that to Kristen's face. It was only then that Heather suggested it wasn't nice to say that she didn't care to Kristen's face and she should say she didn't mean to hurt her feelings and maybe they could try to get to know each other.

Lastly, I agree that Beth was not mean to Kristen when they were at the Blackjack table. She must have been dismissive, however, because in her blog that week she said she was irritated when she looked up and Kristen was there (irritated might not be the word she used, but that was the point) because she had been hoping to have some time alone and didn't feel like socializing with anyone at that time.

 

Watching the HW's shows is like abstract art - we all have different interpretations of the same painting.

[LotusFlower]

Isn't it possible that they're able to do that because they know that when they return from T&C with this dysfunctional group their children will be there 100% of the time?

They scheduled the trip around Bethenny's custody agreement, ie. when Bryn was staying with Jason. Other than that, yes, Bethenny has joint custody, and there's no way around that. Just like Heather has to deal with issues surrounding Jax's illnesses in a way that the other mothers, including Bethenny, don't.

Another way to look at is is Bethenny's priorities. I'm hugely sympathetic to working mothers who struggle to work sometimes more than one job to provide for their kids, or just the general struggle of balancing work and family. But Bethenny is someone who wears all these hats by choice.. She's a mother, a business person who works long days and travels frequently, and on a reality show. The latter two jobs she is choosing to do on her own free will. If it's too much time away from Bryn, then cut back. But she chose to go forward. Not to put a roof over her daughter's head (oh wait - maybe, she's homeless), but for fame and fortune. Her choice, her priorities.

[shoegal]

They scheduled the trip around Bethenny's custody agreement, ie. when Bryn was staying with Jason. Other than that, yes, Bethenny has joint custody, and there's no way around that. Just like Heather has to deal with issues surrounding Jax's illnesses in a way that the other mothers, including Bethenny, don't.

Another way to look at is is Bethenny's priorities. I'm hugely sympathetic to working mothers who struggle to work sometimes more than one job to provide for their kids, or just the general struggle of balancing work and family. But Bethenny is someone who wears all these hats by choice.. She's a mother, a business person who works long days and travels frequently, and on a reality show. The latter two jobs she is choosing to do on her own free will. If it's too much time away from Bryn, then cut back. But she chose to go forward. Not to put a roof over her daughter's head (oh wait - maybe, she's homeless), but for fame and fortune. Her choice, her priorities.

Isn't that what she is doing? Taking Bryn to the Berkshires and going out after she goes to bed. Leaving T&C a day early. Cutting back, trying to make it work.

[autumnh]

I don't see an issue either but anyone who doesn't like Bethenny is going to manufacture one.

 

I wasn't thrilled with Heather a few times this season but I thought she was OK with Bethenny leaving early.   I also think she's playing it smart now.......just the way LuAnn told Kristen......let it happen naturally.  I wouldn't want someone to force feed me friendship or concern but if it happened over time, that's OK.

 

I realize that Kristen and Heather both have young children but their child care issues can't be compared to Bethenny's.  Their situations are entirely differen

 

As I have said before as far as child care maybe no...but Heathers son is a liver transplant recipient and is also dealing with hearing impairment issues.....both of which are serious issues

Edited June 18, 2015 by autumnh

[missy jo]

As a dedicated Bethenny hater (these days), I won't hate on whether a woman chooses to be either a working mom or a SAHM, and I also can vouch that divorce is a horrible stressor, no matter the circumstances.

 

Now that I've gotten that out of the way: Having a child and joint custody is not a "Get Out of Being a Bitch Free" card.

Edited June 19, 2015 by missy jo