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[funky-rat]

15 hours ago, Annber03 said:

Yeah, I think stories like the sort with that pastor should be a huge warning sign to all women everywhere. If a man says he needs to have multiple wives because "God said so", run. I have yet to hear about a single story of that sort that ended well for all involved. 

Yep.  God apparently also told the pastor that the wanted the wife and the "sister wife" to do some girl on girl action.  Because, religion, you know.

[bubbls]

On 3/19/2018 at 5:12 PM, auntjess said:

I liked the other one better; it seemed better organized.
And let me again recommend It Takes a Killer, on Oxygen, tonight.
(The Oxygen site lists old episodes, and videos, but no description of the scheduled ones.
http://tv.twcc.com/tv/it-takes-a-killer/9933372/schedule

That’s funny because I liked this one better for the same reason. I thought it was better organized! Maybe I just know more details now and can keep track. 

[Tdoc72]

On 3/20/2018 at 9:34 PM, rocketinu said:

If I could have reached through the tv and punched that blonde bitch reporter I would have done so. What a vile human being. Good show - I also learned a lot. He got life and his two accomplices got much lighter sentences tho no one knew who actually fired the gun. I don't understand that.

Co-defendant Carlos Ortiz said (after Aaron’s trial but before his own) that Aaron and Odin were the only two that got out of the car at the industrial park and only Aaron came back. 

Prior to Odins murder, Aaron also shot another ‘friend’ in the eye at an industrial park in FL. But Alex Bradley refused to press charges or cooperate with the police, although I think he tried later to sue Aaron. 

 

I thought the 2 episode show was really good. Much better than James Patterson’s book on the case, which I didn’t like at all. I still don’t like Baez, although I did agree with him about the gay thing and the talk show hosts and reporter. And I didn’t like the inference that just because he may have had CTE, he could just go around killing people. And he was allegedly trouble w/the law in Florida during his college years so I don’t know why the NFL would get all the CTE blame anyways. I guess the NFL just has the deeper pockets. 

I do wonder what the fiancé is doing now. Just living on the rest of his money?  Still fighting w/the Patriots for all his back money?  Still living in that house?

Oh I also really liked the college girlfriend who said she wasn’t going to sit around being an NFL wife. Unlike Shayanna, who may have loved him, but let him running around doing whatever he wanted with whatever woman. 

Edited March 23, 2018 by Tdoc72

[rocketinu]

6 hours ago, Tdoc72 said:

Co-defendant Carlos Ortiz said (after Aaron’s trial but before his own) that Aaron and Odin were the only two that got out of the car at the industrial park and only Aaron came back. 

Prior to Odins murder, Aaron also shot another ‘friend’ in the eye at an industrial park in FL. But Alex Bradley refused to press charges or cooperate with the police, although I think he tried later to sue Aaron. 

 

I thought the 2 episode show was really good. Much better than James Patterson’s book on the case, which I didn’t like at all. I still don’t like Baez, although I did agree with him about the gay thing and the talk show hosts and reporter. And I didn’t like the inference that just because he may have had CTE, he could just go around killing people. And he was allegedly trouble w/the law in Florida during his college years so I don’t know why the NFL would get all the CTE blame anyways. I guess the NFL just has the deeper pockets. 

I do wonder what the fiancé is doing now. Just living on the rest of his money?  Still fighting w/the Patriots for all his back money?  Still living in that house?

Oh I also really liked the college girlfriend who said she wasn’t going to sit around being an NFL wife. Unlike Shayanna, who may have loved him, but let him running around doing whatever he wanted with whatever woman. 

The fiancé was allowed to sell the house and received 1 mil for it. She moved to Rhode Island and evidently has no contact with Aaron's family or her's. She legally changed her daughter's name to Hernandez.  

[auntjess]

A story on bad forensics.  I think we've some shows that showed this.
 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/bad-science-puts-innocent-people-in-jail--and-keeps-them-there/2018/03/20/f1fffd08-263e-11e8-b79d-f3d931db7f68_story.html?utm_term=.42fd1205eada

[ratgirlagogo]

21 hours ago, auntjess said:

A story on bad forensics.  I think we've some shows that showed this.

I wish they had MORE shows that covered this.  I've been encouraging everybody I know to read Erin Murphy's book Inside the Cell since I read it.   I had no idea how problematic DNA testing was until I read it.

https://www.amazon.com/Inside-Cell-Dark-Side-Forensic/dp/1568584695

[Queena]

On 3/23/2018 at 1:46 AM, Tdoc72 said:

Co-defendant Carlos Ortiz said (after Aaron’s trial but before his own) that Aaron and Odin were the only two that got out of the car at the industrial park and only Aaron came back. 

Prior to Odins murder, Aaron also shot another ‘friend’ in the eye at an industrial park in FL. But Alex Bradley refused to press charges or cooperate with the police, although I think he tried later to sue Aaron. 

 

I thought the 2 episode show was really good. Much better than James Patterson’s book on the case, which I didn’t like at all. I still don’t like Baez, although I did agree with him about the gay thing and the talk show hosts and reporter. And I didn’t like the inference that just because he may have had CTE, he could just go around killing people. And he was allegedly trouble w/the law in Florida during his college years so I don’t know why the NFL would get all the CTE blame anyways. I guess the NFL just has the deeper pockets. 

I do wonder what the fiancé is doing now. Just living on the rest of his money?  Still fighting w/the Patriots for all his back money?  Still living in that house?

Oh I also really liked the college girlfriend who said she wasn’t going to sit around being an NFL wife. Unlike Shayanna, who may have loved him, but let him running around doing whatever he wanted with whatever woman. 

I found the college girlfriend dubious. I didn't see any evidence of him having said that he was molested. So what if his fiance wanted to be a football wife? It's better than being a bitter ex girlfriend... I also didn't see his admission to being gay in her letter. 

Fiancé had a lot of nerve to think that her sister should have been on Aaron's side when he was present when her fiancé was killed. So what that she knew Aaron since she was a teen... He was on trial for the murder of the person she loved! 

I too found the reporter and dj's foul. How could you be so callous towards someone if your words may have caused their death? 

Was he gay? I don't know. I don't care. Not my business. Did he kill Odin? I don't know. I do think that if he wasn't who he was everyone would have been charged with murder. The dude who got shot in the eye... I don't care who you are, you don't just let someone shoot you in the eye. Not even in the streets. There had to be something behind that. Missing money or jewelry... Lovers quarrel... 

 

EARS/ONS doesn't interest me. For some reason, I only like solved serial killer cases. Otherwise I'm just scaring the crap out of myself because they could still be out there... And I could be next. ???

[Tdoc72]

39 minutes ago, Queena said:

 

EARS/ONS doesn't interest me. For some reason, I only like solved serial killer cases. Otherwise I'm just scaring the crap out of myself because they could still be out there... And I could be next. ???

I wasn’t going to watch the 4 parter on EARS/ONS/GSK (man, he’s got a lot of nicknames) for this very reason. But I did after tricking myself into thinking he won’t come east and he’s got to be old (if still alive).  I would love for them to solve it after all this time. All of his victims need justice. 

That’s also why I dislike the show Diappeared. No resolutions and no justice. 

[auntjess]

1 hour ago, Queena said:

EARS/ONS doesn't interest me. For some reason, I only like solved serial killer cases. Otherwise I'm just scaring the crap out of myself because they could still be out there... And I could be next. ???

Here's one I see on the PBS schedule.
Dark Angel On Masterpiece

Monday, March 26, 03:00 am on WJCT7-1
WJCT
Comcast 8 & 440

Duration: 1:56:46

Description: Joanne Froggatt, who stole the hearts of millions of viewers as Anna on "Downton Abbey," stars in a totally different role in this spine-tingling drama - the notorious Victorian poisoner Mary Ann Cotton, Britain's first female serial killer.

On bad forensics, I've thought how easy it would be to pick up a wad of gum, or a soda bottle, from the street, and plant it at a crime site.
As long as the sex is right, it would likely fool the cops.  

Edited March 26, 2018 by auntjess

[Brattinella]

Joanne Froggatt is very believable in this part.  And the woman she portrayed was a vicious thing.

http://crimefeed.com/2017/05/mary-ann-cotton-5-pitch-black-facts-about-englands-dark-angel-serial-killer/

[Lizzing]

Anyone else catch the 2 hour Keith Morrison show on the alleged murderer, Donnie Rudd?  (At least Keith's non-Dateline work is still journalistic; meanwhile his coworker Andrea Canning was slumming it over on TLC moderating the Sister Wives reunion.)  Anyway, I am kinda amazed that the cops haven't made a case against him for the murder of his client, especially given that that particular crime happened in Texas, where prosecutions are usually pretty gung ho.  But I'm  with the step daughters: I think he'll run down the clock on this realm of existence before he ever gets convicted of either the 2nd wife's murder, the murder of his ex client, or the possible hastening of the deaths of his father and third wife.  And, although I should not be, given how much true crime I consume, I am still a little stunned that he could find some woman to front him $200,000 (IIRC) for bail, especially given his age and clear lack of cash.  I must have used Match wrong back in the day because I never found anyone with even a decent job let alone piles of cash. ;)

[SunnyBeBe]

3 hours ago, Lizzing said:

Anyone else catch the 2 hour Keith Morrison show on the alleged murderer, Donnie Rudd?  (At least Keith's non-Dateline work is still journalistic; meanwhile his coworker Andrea Canning was slumming it over on TLC moderating the Sister Wives reunion.)  Anyway, I am kinda amazed that the cops haven't made a case against him for the murder of his client, especially given that that particular crime happened in Texas, where prosecutions are usually pretty gung ho.  But I'm  with the step daughters: I think he'll run down the clock on this realm of existence before he ever gets convicted of either the 2nd wife's murder, the murder of his ex client, or the possible hastening of the deaths of his father and third wife.  And, although I should not be, given how much true crime I consume, I am still a little stunned that he could find some woman to front him $200,000 (IIRC) for bail, especially given his age and clear lack of cash.  I must have used Match wrong back in the day because I never found anyone with even a decent job let alone piles of cash. ;)

I saw that. Yeah....he really had a knack of hooking up with people who he could take advantage of.  And his father's death and change of Will.  I would have challenged that.  Maybe, there wasn't much money there, but, still.  Sounds like a cover up to me.  The guy may likely be a serial killer.  It seemed that people near him dropped by flies, when it was to his financial benefit. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[applecrisp]

On 3/20/2018 at 8:10 PM, emma675 said:

I watched the Aaron Hernandez special last night and didn't realize how little I knew about the whole thing. But I feel like they glossed over the fiancee and her involvement, I seem to remember a lot of controversy around her. I also didn't realize her sister was dating Odin Lloyd, yikes. 

And I hated myself but I agreed with Jose Baez on that bitch blonde reporter and the idiot radio guys who made jokes on air about Hernandez possibly being gay. He was right, who the hell were they to have done that?

Agree with Baez on that and only that. He produced the Oxygen show which I thought was slow and boring. I think there was a lot of evidence in the Odin case and I felt bad for his family. Many cases when it is a group, all will be charged so I think Aaron deserved it . But the other two should be serving the same sentence.

In the drive by I think Baez had an easier winnable case. It was not clear if it was him.

I actually liked the 48 hours piece better because they talked with Odins's family and old coach. All the talking heads in the O special were either so pro Hernandez or icky people . No one from the other side was interviewed and the DJs and that blonde were jerks. It was Baez and his team who talked a lot about  Aaron being gay. It was not brought up on 48 hours. 

It is a truly tragic story.

[Queena]

On 3/25/2018 at 8:25 PM, Tdoc72 said:

I wasn’t going to watch the 4 parter on EARS/ONS/GSK (man, he’s got a lot of nicknames) for this very reason. But I did after tricking myself into thinking he won’t come east and he’s got to be old (if still alive).  I would love for them to solve it after all this time. All of his victims need justice. 

That’s also why I dislike the show Diappeared. No resolutions and no justice. 

I find myself maddling googling while watching Disappeared. I haven't watched all of the episodes, so I watch when I have time. 

 

I read The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule when I was a teenager, I couldn't sleep for days. Then I thought about it, I'm fat and black, totally not his type I'm safe... And then I got to the end of the book and saw that he was dead. What a relief. ?? 

 

I finally watched The Family I Had. OMG. This family... So many problems. Charity's dad was married to her aunt first... I wonder if that's why Kyla had him killed. She did it, that 'I don't have a jury to charm...' lucky for her there's no double jeopardy... 

 

Is Phoenix a girl or a boy? I saw earrings, but then he/she was in blue. Charity being happy that Paris can't see Phoenix should tell her something. I don't know how I would feel, but I think that if my son tried to kill me, and then killed my daughter, I would have to sever the relationship. He still has problems! Wanting killer porn... Kyla was a piece of work. 

[SunnyBeBe]

There seem to be several common themes with true crime stories.  One is how no matter what the offender does, no one in the family circle saw it coming.  No matter how odd and bizarre their behavior, they just wrote it off as ok. They just don't suspect the person of being a killer. Then, there's the idea that no matter what, he's my son, my dad, my sister, etc.  Yeah, blood may be thicker than water, but, these killers don't really have any respect for family bonds or they wouldn't have butchered your mother......lol.  You can't' make this stuff up.  And of course, there is the thing of how close they are to their family member, love them, talk on the phone every day, but, they don't bother to really check on them when they are out of contact for a week. Even on a road trip alone.  WHAT?  Yeah, in one recent case the family member was to show up Christmas Eve, only she didn't and didn't answer the phone either.  So, the family precedes with family celebration and goes to check on sis about 5 days later.......okay.  I know they must feel bad, but, man.....it's a pretty common thing. 

Edited March 27, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[funky-rat]

2 hours ago, Queena said:

I finally watched The Family I Had. OMG. This family... So many problems. Charity's dad was married to her aunt first... I wonder if that's why Kyla had him killed. She did it, that 'I don't have a jury to charm...' lucky for her there's no double jeopardy... 

 

Is Phoenix a girl or a boy? I saw earrings, but then he/she was in blue. Charity being happy that Paris can't see Phoenix should tell her something. I don't know how I would feel, but I think that if my son tried to kill me, and then killed my daughter, I would have to sever the relationship. He still has problems! Wanting killer porn... Kyla was a piece of work. 

Phoenix is a boy.  There was much speculation when that show first aired that she was trying to replace Ella and didn't seem to care that she had a boy.

[Queena]

1 hour ago, funky-rat said:

Phoenix is a boy.  There was much speculation when that show first aired that she was trying to replace Ella and didn't seem to care that she had a boy.

Wow! I can see that happening... Gross. OMG. Someone call social services! Her and Kyla made up and she lives next door to her. I went back and read the commentary that you guys had... The entire family is a mess. I see a Bennett trucking, but I'm not sure if they still own it, or if Kyla cashed out. Did anyone read the stepson's lawsuit? 

 

I watched Drew Peterson... What a piece of work! I was living in Chicago when Stacie went missing Err was murdered. I remember the arrogance, and how smug him and his lawyers were. He's now in FED prison, Illinois said that they felt like he was a danger to the state... Since he tried to have the state's attorney killed. Good riddance. I'm convinced that he killed both women, and he would have continued to kill. 

[SunnyBeBe]

There's also the story about Mike Peterson, also convicted of murdering his wife in Durham, NC, coming on soon.   It happened near me and I've seen a lot on it over the years. Not sure if I'll watch the new one. It's pretty shocking.  She was found at the bottom of their staircase, though her death was due to beating, not falling.  (Surprisingly, a female friend of Mike also died the same way many years earlier in Germany. He was the last to see her alive.)   He's an unlucky guy. 

Edited March 27, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[Queena]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

There's also the story about Mike Peterson, also convicted of murdering his wife in Durham, NC, coming on soon.   It happened near me and I've seen a lot on it over the years. Not sure if I'll watch the new one. It's pretty shocking.  She was found at the bottom of their staircase, though her death was due to beating, not falling.  (Surprisingly, a female friend of Mike also died the same way many years earlier in Germany. He was the last to see her alive.)   He's an unlucky guy. 

I believe in the owl theory. I've watched a lot of programs on that case. He was a jerk, and he probably would have caused a accident, but there was evidence of a owl attack. 

 

I do think that he killed the 1st wife or was it a family friend? 

[Brattinella]

2 hours ago, Queena said:

I believe in the owl theory. I've watched a lot of programs on that case. He was a jerk, and he probably would have caused a accident, but there was evidence of a owl attack. 

 

I do think that he killed the 1st wife or was it a family friend? 

I thought I was familiar with the Peterson case, but this is the first I've heard about an owl!  I have to go look this up!

[Queena]

11 minutes ago, Brattinella said:

I thought I was familiar with the Peterson case, but this is the first I've heard about an owl!  I have to go look this up!

Yes, he says that she was attacked by a owl and fell down the stairs. 

[Brattinella]

Okay, here's my take on this.   I am a HUGE owl fan, and have watched owlcams for years now, and studied their habits, etc.  My question is:  At the house where they lived, had they only just moved in?   If they had lived there any time at all, surely they would have noticed the owls, and the owls would have noticed them.  Owls tend to avoid meeting up with humans.    Didn't she fall down the INSIDE stairs?  Did an owl get in the house?

[MargeGunderson]

RE: the owl thing. Episode 1 of the podcast Criminal covers the owl theory. I hadn't heard of the case before so it was pretty interesting!

[KellsBells]

18 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

 And of course, there is the thing of how close they are to their family member, love them, talk on the phone every day, but, they don't bother to really check on them when they are out of contact for a week. Even on a road trip alone.  WHAT?  Yeah, in one recent case the family member was to show up Christmas Eve, only she didn't and didn't answer the phone either.  So, the family precedes with family celebration and goes to check on sis about 5 days later.......okay.  I know they must feel bad, but, man.....it's a pretty common thing. 

That always blows me away. What? Your mother was supposed to come for Christmas, she disappears and you just carry on? You're invited to a party at your friend's house, you go there, no one answers the door, or the phone for several days, and you just shrug and move along? Very strange. I keep telling my family: if you don't hear from me by the end of any day, call the cops! 

Oh my...the Weepy Voice Killer commercial is baaaaacccckkkk! Gives me the creeps every time. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Ref. Mike Peterson. I thought the owl theory was debunked, but, it may be moot now, since he did plead guilty. 

[ButterQueen]

15 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

There's also the story about Mike Peterson, also convicted of murdering his wife in Durham, NC, coming on soon.   It happened near me and I've seen a lot on it over the years. Not sure if I'll watch the new one. It's pretty shocking.  She was found at the bottom of their staircase, though her death was due to beating, not falling.  (Surprisingly, a female friend of Mike also died the same way many years earlier in Germany. He was the last to see her alive.)   He's an unlucky guy. 

He’s a POS killer that needs to be in prison.  

[funky-rat]

2 hours ago, KellsBells said:

That always blows me away. What? Your mother was supposed to come for Christmas, she disappears and you just carry on? You're invited to a party at your friend's house, you go there, no one answers the door, or the phone for several days, and you just shrug and move along? Very strange. I keep telling my family: if you don't hear from me by the end of any day, call the cops! 

There was one on the show that uses video surveillance to solve cases where the woman scheduled a new years eve party that she'd done every year, and when friends showed up and she didn't answer the buzzer, they left.  They do have police check on her a day or two later, and they find the apartment empty, and they leave.  It's another day or two until they find her dead in her closet.  They all talked about how she was the best person ever, but I would be on the phone with someone the minute she didn't answer the door if I knew she was expecting me.  When the police did the first welfare check, they noticed the apartment was all done-up for a party.  She wasn't found dead until January 6.  She was murdered on December 29 or 30.

[SunnyBeBe]

Yeah, I saw that about the dead lady the police didn't find in her apt. There was also the dead lady who was tossed under a piece of debris in the back yard.  I think she's the one that didn't make it to family gathering on Christmas Eve.   

Another thing that amazes me is that since around the 1990's, when do police ignore missing persons reports?  When I hear that the family called police to report a loved one missing and they say, Oh, she'll probably be home later, She likely ran away, She's probably gone on her own accord, It makes me go WHAT?  Over the last 10 years, so much has been learned about how crucial it is to get on the person's trail ASAP.  When police say those kinds of things, it makes me wonder if they are nuts or is someone lying about it.  I just can't imagine that in today's world. I don't even think that police depts have a policy on waiting 24 hours to file a missing persons report anymore. 

Edited March 28, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[ButterQueen]

14 hours ago, Queena said:

Yes, he says that she was attacked by a owl and fell down the stairs. 

Did you see the huge amount of blood?

[SunnyBeBe]

22 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Did you see the huge amount of blood?

Yeah, I think medical examiner determined that she didn't die from falling down the stairs, but, from being beaten. 

[ButterQueen]

Just now, SunnyBeBe said:

Yeah, I think medical examiner determined that she didn't die from falling down the stairs, but, from being beaten. 

Yep, with the missing fireplace poker.  

[SunnyBeBe]

53 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Yep, with the missing fireplace poker.  

Yes, I recall that.  Does anyone recall how the defense got the one they drummed up into evidence, without Peterson taking the stand?  I mean, attorneys can't just up and say, Here's some evidence and here's where we found it, without a witness, so, I wasn't sure how it was introduced or authenticated. 

Edited March 28, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[cooksdelight]

59 minutes ago, ButterQueen said:

Yep, with the missing fireplace poker.  

Yes.... that owl story was nuts. Owl’s outside, she’s inside... with her crazy husband.

[Queena]

5 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

Did you see the huge amount of blood?

Yes, I've never said that I 100% believe the owl theory. I have seen experts give convincing testimony for it. 

 

I don't know what newspaper you've read, but the fireplace poker was never missing. It was sitting in the same place before the death of Kathleen and after. The prosecution lied. That's why there were 2 trials. Many experts have said that the owl theory holds water. She was almost scalped, her defensive wounds were pulling her own hair. Evidence of a beating? You mean the evidence that the unqualified medical examiner who did the first autopsy made up or left out? You know he was the cause for the entire trial being thrown out... So yes, I am willing to reserve judgment, but that's moot. He pleaded guilty or no contest. 

 

From the aubodon society... https://www.google.com/amp/www.audubon.org/news/was-owl-real-culprit-peterson-murder-mystery%3famp

Edited March 29, 2018 by Queena

[Brattinella]

4 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Yes, I recall that.  Does anyone recall how the defense got the one they drummed up into evidence, without Peterson taking the stand?  I mean, attorneys can't just up and say, Here's some evidence and here's where we found it, without a witness, so, I wasn't sure how it was introduced or authenticated. 

Oh, yes they can.  Remember Casey Anthony?  And Baez giving that awful fictional story for his opening remarks?

[Queena]

4 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

Yes.... that owl story was nuts. Owl’s outside, she’s inside... with her crazy husband.

Wasn't she painting upstairs in a room with the window open that owls were known for being outside of? If I recall correctly, they found owl nest right outside her painting room. There were feathers found in the house, and in that room.. In her hand. He could have planted the feathers there.... 

 

Also I don't think that she was leaving him, or rather he didn't know. I think that she was fine with his bisexuality. 

[auntjess]

Tomorrow night,3/29. A&E has 2 shows on Casey Anthony, first with Marcia Clark, and the Nancy Grace and Dan Abrams, from 9PM ET to about midnight.
Repeating again at 1 AM.
They are supposedly new, and there are previews online.new
https://www.aetv.com/schedule?month=3&day=29&year=2018

Edited March 29, 2018 by auntjess
they're new, not news.

[Brattinella]

32 minutes ago, auntjess said:

Tomorrow night,3/29. A&E has 2 shows on Casey Anthony, first with Marcia Clark, and the Nancy Grace and Dan Abrams, from 9PM ET to about midnight.
Repeating again at 1 AM.
They are supposedly news, and there are previews online.
https://www.aetv.com/schedule?month=3&day=29&year=2018

"Tot Mom"!

[Queena]

Didn't Casey have another child? Do they watch her? Because she is guilty of neglect....and murder, but they didn't find her guilty. I think that they only found her guilty of neglect. Now she's parenting another child? 

 

Remember the viral picture of the black boy hugging a police officer in Portland? His mom's alleged drove him and his 5 siblings off of a cliff. They were being monitored by CPS. 

[applecrisp]

59 minutes ago, Queena said:

Didn't Casey have another child? Do they watch her? Because she is guilty of neglect....And murder, but they didn't find her guilty. I think that they only found her guilty of neglect. Now she's parenting another child? 

 

Remember the viral picture of the black boy hugging a police officer in Portland? His mom's alleged drove him and his 5 siblings off of a cliff. They were being monitored by CPS. 

I do not but it sounds tragic.

Watched Forbidden last night about a niece and her uncle. She was illegitimate so never a part of the family. They have an affair and everyone is upset. They move to Belize and he ends up dead. 

I didn't understand this because first it is incest and she gave up her children for this relationship. It seems a very steep price. I just thought she was so defiant. This is pretty rareI think. I know first cousins marry.

[funky-rat]

3 hours ago, Queena said:

Didn't Casey have another child? Do they watch her? Because she is guilty of neglect....and murder, but they didn't find her guilty. I think that they only found her guilty of neglect. Now she's parenting another child? 

 

Remember the viral picture of the black boy hugging a police officer in Portland? His mom's alleged drove him and his 5 siblings off of a cliff. They were being monitored by CPS. 

I remember hearing rumors she was pregnant, but I can't seem to find anything to confirm that from any legit news source at this time.  I see lots of gossip sites, and tabloids, but that's it.  I could be wrong - I don't have time to do a deep search.  CPS did an investigation after the fact, and concluded she was neglectful, but too little too late.  She was convicted of 4 or 5 counts of lying to police, but that's a slap on the wrist.  She was also sued by a number of people, including the woman she claimed was Caylee's nanny (that case was thrown out) and a company who donated their time to search for Caylee.  The lawsuit said that Casey knew she was already dead, and the cost for their service exceeded$75,000, and they wanted reimbursed.  They won the suit, but they'll never collect that.  I don't know if that suit came before or after she filed for bankruptcy.

I do remember that photo of that little boy.  I thought it was so sweet.  That breaks my heart.  We were never able to have children, and it really hurts when I see women kill their "unwanted" kids.  Someone else would love to have a child.

Edited March 29, 2018 by funky-rat

[KellsBells]

4 hours ago, funky-rat said:

I remember hearing rumors she was pregnant, but I can't seem to find anything to confirm that from any legit news source at this time.  

Yeah the same sites that have been announcing Jennifer Aniston’s “pregnancy” for the last 20 years. That’s one looooong gestation period. 

[Queena]

8 hours ago, applecrisp said:

I do not but it sounds tragic.

Watched Forbidden last night about a niece and her uncle. She was illegitimate so never a part of the family. They have an affair and everyone is upset. They move to Belize and he ends up dead. 

I didn't understand this because first it is incest and she gave up her children for this relationship. It seems a very steep price. I just thought she was so defiant. This is pretty rareI think. I know first cousins marry.

That was all types of eww. She was allegedly sleeping with her attorney. 

6 hours ago, funky-rat said:

I remember hearing rumors she was pregnant, but I can't seem to find anything to confirm that from any legit news source at this time.  I see lots of gossip sites, and tabloids, but that's it.  I could be wrong - I don't have time to do a deep search.  CPS did an investigation after the fact, and concluded she was neglectful, but too little too late.  She was convicted of 4 or 5 counts of lying to police, but that's a slap on the wrist.  She was also sued by a number of people, including the woman she claimed was Caylee's nanny (that case was thrown out) and a company who donated their time to search for Caylee.  The lawsuit said that Casey knew she was already dead, and the cost for their service exceeded$75,000, and they wanted reimbursed.  They won the suit, but they'll never collect that.  I don't know if that suit came before or after she filed for bankruptcy.

I do remember that photo of that little boy.  I thought it was so sweet.  That breaks my heart.  We were never able to have children, and it really hurts when I see women kill their "unwanted" kids.  Someone else would love to have a child.

His mom's adopted him. They adopted 5 other kids. All are gone. There were allegations if abuse and neglect. The kids were knocking on doors saying that they were hungry. Just sad all the way around. They could have spared the kids. 

[cooksdelight]

I was just heartbroken to hear about the kids going over a cliff. It’s beyond horrible.

I am watching a rerun... but what do you think? Did he kill his wife, or was it some other stranger? 

http://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/binghamton/news/2018/01/10/cal-harris-dwi-charge-hearing

[AheadofStraight]

On 3/28/2018 at 8:22 PM, Queena said:

Yes, I've never said that I 100% believe the owl theory. I have seen experts give convincing testimony for it. 

 

I don't know what newspaper you've read, but the fireplace poker was never missing. It was sitting in the same place before the death of Kathleen and after. The prosecution lied. That's why there were 2 trials. Many experts have said that the owl theory holds water. She was almost scalped, her defensive wounds were pulling her own hair. Evidence of a beating? You mean the evidence that the unqualified medical examiner who did the first autopsy made up or left out? You know he was the cause for the entire trial being thrown out... So yes, I am willing to reserve judgment, but that's moot. He pleaded guilty or no contest. 

 

From the aubodon society... https://www.google.com/amp/www.audubon.org/news/was-owl-real-culprit-peterson-murder-mystery%3famp

This crazy owl story came out this week and I immediately thought of the Peterson case. It's a fascinating read. http://www.bostonglobe.com/magazine/2018/03/28/was-son-frightening-injury-owl-attack/dn582URJbdxBFuJ2QPLpsL/story.html

[Brattinella]

18 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

I was just heartbroken to hear about the kids going over a cliff. It’s beyond horrible.

I am watching a rerun... but what do you think? Did he kill his wife, or was it some other stranger? 

http://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/binghamton/news/2018/01/10/cal-harris-dwi-charge-hearing

Yes, IMO, he did kill his wife.

[Fable]

About Forbidden, that niece had opportunist written all over her.  She meets her uncle for the first time and can’t stop thinking about him?  Give me a break.  Based on everything she said, I feel she was inserting herself into his life and not the other way around.  Accidental shootings and suicides don’t happen to the back of the head either.  Another thing I found particularly strange was the fact that he left her all this money and property, yet they were struggling with bills in Belize.  No, just No!

[friendperidot]

Scott Peterson, Drew Peterson, Mike Peterson...I believe I'd think twice before marrying someone named Peterson! I know, I know, it's a pretty common name and I had a co-worker with that last name, her husband was nuts, but not a threat for murdering her. I had a hard time keeping Scott and Drew straight, not the crimes, but the names, they were in the news at about the same time, maybe a few months apart, maybe a year or so and for a viewer only half paying attention, it runs together.

I can relate to not immediately checking up on a family member. In the last years of her life, I did check on my mom 3-4 times a week, if she didn't answer the phone, I drove to her house. She drank. My brother and I have been mostly estranged since before my mom died. We talk or text or email about once a month, it's enough. And if I didn't live in the same house with my sister, there would probably be weeks without me talking to her, we've never been close, she has drug problems, severe depression and god help whoever wakes her up in the middle of the day! So I just didn't bother. Now that we live in the same house, I set a rule for myself, if I don't hear her up and around, going to the kitchen, going to the bathroom about every 6 or 8 hours, I bang on her door until I hear her mumbling "what", I tell her I'm just checking to see if she's alive. I've told her in her lucid times that I will be doing that and if she gets pissed at me for disturbing her, I don't give a damn.

But I do have a family member (I'm not going into details) who did commit murder, it's been about 50 years ago, this person was a teenager. It was known that this person had mental health issues, but it was the 60s and it was a personal affront to some people that a child of theirs could be mentally ill. It's just the way it was, there was a great deal of shame and there still is too much stigma attached to mental illness. Other people did try to do what they could, but there just wasn't much that could be done. So, I don't judge family members, I haven't lived in their homes and in their minds, I don't know what they did try to do or that they did or didn't understand or that they did or didn't try to get help. It's easy to be on the outside saying "shoulda, woulda, coulda..."

I've got streaming cable, so I'm catching up on all the true crime. I was really tired of the same 6/7 shows with the same 15/20 episodes on Escape. I am still tuning in now and then for the non true crime show, "Without A Trace." Some of them, I had seen, but I did quit watching the show for some reason, so the episodes are new to me. Back to true crime, Candace Delong has a new hair do and she's head and shoulders above Murderous Affairs and Corrupt Crimes (Escape) Dr. Judy Ho and the brunette former prosecutor, Lana/Lara Coombs, (just remembered sort of), she emphasizes all of her pronouncements with exaggerated eye movements. I can't even open my eyes that wide!

Edited April 1, 2018 by friendperidot

[SunnyBeBe]

On 3/31/2018 at 12:55 AM, Fable said:

About Forbidden, that niece had opportunist written all over her.  She meets her uncle for the first time and can’t stop thinking about him?  Give me a break.  Based on everything she said, I feel she was inserting herself into his life and not the other way around.  Accidental shootings and suicides don’t happen to the back of the head either.  Another thing I found particularly strange was the fact that he left her all this money and property, yet they were struggling with bills in Belize.  No, just No!

That was a strange one.  I struggled with it.  It seemed like HE was also into her, because of the way he hid it from his family.  But, the way she described there being sparks.....or something like that when they hugged, just struck me as OFF.  When you hug your uncle, you feel love, caring, warmth, and FAMILY bonds, not, hot in the loins.  Why would she take it there?  After her version of how they physically hooked up......I'm not sure if I believe the rest of her story.  And it was like she was upset that others looked at that kind of thing as unacceptable.  lol  

Edited April 2, 2018 by SunnyBeBe

[auntjess]

22 hours ago, friendperidot said:

I had a hard time keeping Scott and Drew straight, not the crimes, but the names, they were in the news at about the same time, maybe a few months apart, maybe a year or so and for a viewer only half paying attention, it runs together.

Me too, and I'd seen enough in the news, not to care about shows on them.  I skip the shows on the ones where I remember the original coverage, except for Brad Bishop.
I am alarmed to see the Natalie Wood show/shows coming up.  Don't mess with my youth, R.J. wouldn't have done it, and how dare anyone second-guess an autopsy done by Dr. Thomas Noguchi, "coroner to the stars."
I'm covering my eyes and ears on that one.