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[SunnyBeBe]

2 minutes ago, Annber03 said:

The second episode will air tonight :). 

I'm intrigued by the series, too. That idea that a small town can have THAT many violent crimes in such a short time span is creepy and curious. 

Don't get me started. I'm from a small town and do you know how many people that I know personally who were murdered or murdered?  Don't ask.  I'm writing a book about it.  I'm not kidding.  lol 

[walnutqueen]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Don't get me started. I'm from a small town and do you know how many people that I know personally who were murdered or murdered?  Don't ask.  I'm writing a book about it.  I'm not kidding.  lol 

Can I proofread your book?  ;-)

[cooksdelight]

I’ll design the cover for your book. :)

It was neat timing that they ran “In Cold Blood” at the same time they ran “Cold Blooded: Cutter Family”.

I also live in a small town and know way too much about murders that happened here. When I was around 13, I was home alone with my sister and brother and heard loud gunshots, then screeching tires. It was about a half mile from our house, but we were in a wooded area and sound travelled. The man killed was the father of a kid who rode on my bus to school each day. It took a determined deputy sheriff a long time to solve the case.

[auntjess]

After I watched The Real Rodney Alcala, I went and looked at the unidentified photos he'd taken.
Poignant to see smiling little children, and then other people look like they know bad things are coming.
 

Edited December 6, 2017 by auntjess

[Cherrio]

3 hours ago, One Tough Cookie said:

ooohhhhh--I thought it was a total snoozefest. 

I agree, except for that scumbag Mark Ross aka Aquarian.  The investigators got a lot of details wrong too.

Ross knows a lot more than what he said and since there is no statute of limitation on murder I would haul his bony ass in for a grueling interrogation.

 

On another note, the trial of John Feit , the ex priest is in progress.  There was an updated show about it on CNN tonight.  That case makes my blood boil.

I would put the ex prosecutor who refused to charge him in the cell along with Feit. GRRRRRRR

[auntjess]

Rodie posted on Facebook, that Killing Fields is coming back.  It's in Virginia, so he's only on the first episode.
I really think he would be a great narrator, because I love that accent, and I love listening to him.

[SunnyBeBe]

I wasn't surprised at the outcome of Episode 2 of Village of The Damned last night, since I had read ahead and learned the outcome.  Do you believe that police officer who claims that the mother/defendant said aloud at the funeral, "Why didn't you just be quiet?"  That's awfully convenient.  I'm not so sure about it.  But, I do not believe the mother's account of how her daughter died.  Did they ever say what the autopsy revealed? I must have missed it.   That crying display was pretty good.  It just goes to show that many of these people pretending to be grieving parents are not what they seem.

I'm always wary on basing a person's guilt or innocence on how appropriate their behavior is.  Maybe, there were things about her unconscious gestures that would have given her away though.  But, the FBI must have missed it.  PLUS, she passed a polygraph.  Well, that's what I understood.  What the detective actually said, was that he got word she passed the polygraph.  WHAT does that mean?

Edited December 6, 2017 by SunnyBeBe

[Brattinella]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Do you believe that police officer who claims that the mother/defendant said aloud at the funeral, "Why didn't you just be quiet?"  That's awfully convenient.  I'm not so sure about it.  But, I do not believe the mother's account of how her daughter died.

I believed the police officer as he quoted the mother saying "Why didn't you just be quiet, you little shit?"  THAT sounds like a genuine utterance, whispered to her dead child.

[smittykins]

I’m going on memory here(from when it actually happened because I haven’t watched the show), but I believe they said that Aliza was smothered/suffocated.

Edited December 6, 2017 by smittykins

[Brattinella]

I wanted to add, when the "little shit" part was quoted, it was bleeped.  I read his lips.

[SunnyBeBe]

1 hour ago, Brattinella said:

I wanted to add, when the "little shit" part was quoted, it was bleeped.  I read his lips.

But, why would the woman utter such a thing in earshot of a police officer inside a church at her daughter's funeral?  It just seems unlikely, imo.  I do think the mother killed her, but, I'm just not sure I buy that comment.  I do think that 9 years was way too light of a sentence.  I don't understand that. 

[Brattinella]

2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

But, why would the woman utter such a thing in earshot of a police officer inside a church at her daughter's funeral?  It just seems unlikely, imo.  I do think the mother killed her, but, I'm just not sure I buy that comment.  I do think that 9 years was way too light of a sentence.  I don't understand that. 

Well, she was unhinged in the first place, she killed her little girl.  It isn't a stretch to have her utter something horrible like that when confronted with her child's body.  IMO.

[cooksdelight]

Possibly on drugs, high on pot, who knows.... anyone who’d kill their precious child isn’t thinking of anyone but themselves.

[SunnyBeBe]

2 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

Possibly on drugs, high on pot, who knows.... anyone who’d kill their precious child isn’t thinking of anyone but themselves.

Oh, I thought the police are the ones who escorted her in, since she was in custody.  I could be wrong though. 

[Brattinella]

Yeah, the cop said she was handcuffed, and he knelt down beside her to view the little girl.

Hey, @cooksdelight, I haven't seen you in a LONG time!  How are you?

Edited December 7, 2017 by Brattinella
Because "kneeled" didn't look right.

[KellsBells]

On 12/5/2017 at 5:17 PM, SunnyBeBe said:

Don't get me started. I'm from a small town and do you know how many people that I know personally who were murdered or murdered?  Don't ask.  I'm writing a book about it.  I'm not kidding.  lol 

Oooo....I'm an editor, I'd love to be your line/copy editor. 

I'm always surprised at how many of the murder shows I watch have taken place in Washington or Idaho -- I live on the Washington/Idaho border. Very wild west mentality here. 

[Brattinella]

3 minutes ago, Midnight Sun said:

Regarding the "little shit" comment:  didn't the husband/ex/whoever also state that he heard the bitch say that (to him, or just out loud), and the cop overheard it?  I need to pay more attention and not play computer games during these programs.

Could be, I have CRS syndrome :)

[bubbls]

Does anyone watched Snapped? I recently watched the Shayna Hubers episode. She killed her "boyfriend" Ryan Poston. She said some incredible things! 

*During the 911 call she said he was twitching after she shot him so she shot him some more since he was going to die anyway. WTH??! 

*She said she gave him the nose job he always wanted.

*She asked if you get to keep your phone in jail and if you have to shower in front of people. She's in for a very rude awakening. 

*Alone in the interrogation room she began dancing around saying "I killed him, I killed him." 

*She claimed he came at her and she got the gun away from him (right) and shot him (6times!) in self-defense, yet it was obvious even to my untrained eye he was shot while sitting at the table. There was a pool of blood on the table in front of the empty chair, and he was on his side next to the chair like he'd just tipped over.

[Brattinella]

Yes, Shayna Hubers is quite the piece of work.

[Razzberry]

On 12/5/2017 at 4:55 PM, cooksdelight said:

I just watched the show about the Clutter family murders, and it wasn’t until watching it that I found out they had two older daughters who were elsewhere when the family was murdered. Those two were literally forgotten in all the hoopla and the old movie “In Cold Blood.”

Was that the "Cold Blooded" shown on Sundance?  I thought that was excellent, with a lot of new footage and information.  Very well done.

[cooksdelight]

Yes, it was very informative. And very well done, having someone read the words of law enforcement and the killers. And watching the movie, it was uncanny how well cast Perry and Dick were as far as looking like the people they were playing.

[SunnyBeBe]

9 hours ago, Midnight Sun said:

Regarding the "little shit" comment:  didn't the husband/ex/whoever also state that he heard the bitch say that (to him, or just out loud), and the cop overheard it?  I need to pay more attention and not play computer games during these programs.

I think the boyfriend knelt down beside her in the church, because I wondered why.  He had already walked out on her when she was in custody at the police station.  And the officer was standing near by.  Boyfriend didn't mention her saying that, that I recall.  

[MaggieG]

I have been watching Who Killed Tupac? It does have some interesting information and I'm learning a few things I din't know. I didn't know the whole background on the whole East Coast/West Coast rivalry. My only issue with it is that a lot of the people they talk to are just saying what they think happened and there is no real concrete proof of anything. 

[Queena]

4 minutes ago, MaggieG said:

I have been watching Who Killed Tupac? It does have some interesting information and I'm learning a few things I din't know. I didn't know the whole background on the whole East Coast/West Coast rivalry. My only issue with it is that a lot of the people they talk to are just saying what they think happened and there is no real concrete proof of anything. 

I'm watching it also. My friend Lolita Files is involved. I'm still not sure who killed Pac, but I sure do miss him. 

 

Hubers is a mess and a half. 

[wallofsound]

I’m watching the Tupac show also.   I’m partially watching it just to enjoy the old footage of Pac - so handsome, energetic ....  

The main guy narrating the show is just awful.  I want to shake him to have him speed up and just spit out what he is saying.   And he constantly has to summarize what was just revealed - things that are clear as day and don’t require summarizing.   

The show made a point about how Vegas was really promoting an image of an adult Disneyland at that time in the mid 90s and they totally were.   Vegas was in a slump prior to that and has really taken off in the past 20 years or so.   They did not want to keep rehashing a murder on their main tourist drag.    They did not want a long, drawn out trial nearby full of LA gang members.   They just wanted the whole mess to go away.  Such a shame.   

 

And kevin Powell in that ridiculous hat??  You can barely even see his eyes. 

Edited December 7, 2017 by wallofsound

[Annber03]

12 hours ago, cooksdelight said:

And watching the movie, it was uncanny how well cast Perry and Dick were as far as looking like the people they were playing.

When I saw the clip of Robert Blake against the real life photo of Perry Smith, I actually got a bit of a chill. The resemblance was eerie. 

I really liked that special as well. It was so surreal to see that old news footage of the Clutter family, when they were doing that report on their farm and such. And I knew their home was isolated, but man, when they drove out to the land where the house stood, it really drove home just HOW alone they really were. 

Edited December 8, 2017 by Annber03

[Cherrio]

In case anyone is interested in The Family (Manson) Barbara Hoyt died on Dec. 3rd.

She was 17 when she lived at Spahn Ranch.  

She was the infamous victim of the LSD laced hamburger, which was supposed to render her not able to testify at trial.

In later years she started turning up at all the parole hearings.

People are 50/50 on whether or not her stories were true.

[MrsClaus]

10 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

In case anyone is interested in The Family (Manson) Barbara Hoyt died on Dec. 3rd.

She was 17 when she lived at Spahn Ranch.  

She was the infamous victim of the LSD laced hamburger, which was supposed to render her not able to testify at trial.

In later years she started turning up at all the parole hearings.

People are 50/50 on whether or not her stories were true.

I just saw her on the Reelz channel in a Manson documentary narrated by Rob Zombie

[Cherrio]

2 hours ago, MrsClaus said:

I just saw her on the Reelz channel in a Manson documentary narrated by Rob Zombie

It was actually an excellent show, maybe the best I have seen.  It deals in all the stories/events leading up to all the murders. It weaves together all the reasons and manipulations. There were many reasons the murders took place, not just Helter Skelter. The Tate murders were supposed to be the Melcher murders, Terry Melcher, the son of Doris Day.

For those who have never read Helter Skelter, it would be good before watching the show.  Another must read is The Family by Ed Sanders. 

[SunnyBeBe]

If Village of the Damned is carrying their stories in chronological order, then, I wonder why in this last story, there were doors left unlocked.  The town had had an entire family slaughtered by a stranger who came into the home.  And yet these girls didn't lock their doors?  I don't know.  I wonder if the residents will get a little more wary as the season progresses.  

Also, i don't want to make too much of this again, but, in Unusual Suspects last night, the murdered woman has TWO doors with locks that don't work, yet she lives there with young children AFTER being harassed and threatened by some thugs who assaulted her previously......doesn't add up to me. 

[bubbls]

I thought Vincent Bugliosi said he made up the Helter Skelter motive because juries wanted a motive so badly. Am I mistaken? 

[SunnyBeBe]

48 minutes ago, bubbls said:

I thought Vincent Bugliosi said he made up the Helter Skelter motive because juries wanted a motive so badly. Am I mistaken? 

I"m not sure about the Prosecutor's theory of race war, but, the killers did write the words Helter Skelter in blood at one of the scenes. Kill the  Pigs as well. 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/18/us/manson-murders/index.html

I happened to wake up early this morning and couldn't sleep. I turned on ID Discovery and saw a NEW series they have started. It's called Paranormal Survivor.  It seems some spirits really beat up on some people in this certain apt.  Ok........I really wish they'd reconsider this series.  I might believe in aliens, but, poltergeist......I think that's for another channel.  lol

https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/schedule

[Brattinella]

Susan Atkins also SAID it was about Helter Skelter, a planned race war and living in a hole in Death Valley.

[auntjess]

1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said:

It seems some spirits really beat up on some people in this certain apt.  Ok........I really wish they'd reconsider this series.  I might believe in aliens, but, poltergeist......I think that's for another channel.  lol

I'd think it would depend on whether spirits have/can leave DNA.  No DNA, no ID show.

[KellsBells]

Deadly Dentists? Seriously? You are a hot mess, Discovery ID channel. 

[ratgirlagogo]

6 hours ago, bubbls said:

thought Vincent Bugliosi said he made up the Helter Skelter motive because juries wanted a motive so badly. Am I mistaken? 

 

4 hours ago, Brattinella said:

Susan Atkins also SAID it was about Helter Skelter, a planned race war and living in a hole in Death Valley.

  I grew up in LA when this all happened so I  read and watched and heard the extensive media coverage at the time, read most of the books.   If any of you have not already read Jeff Guinn's recent book  Manson I strongly recommend it.  Amazingly it actually does cover some new ground. Manson thought that the combination of white victims and Kill the PIgs, etc. written in blood on the walls would immediately lead the police to think that black power radicals were responsible - of course this didn't happen, largely because there was no actual history of black power radical groups slaughtering random white people in their homes and writing Kill the PIgs on the walls and thus no reason for the cops to make this assumption.   Another problem in the case was that the La Bianca murders and the Tate murders were in two different precincts so the cops were not working together.  Plus, there was such a large quantity of recreational drugs (from the point of view of the cops) in the Tate household that they wasted a great deal of time on the assumption that it was the result of a fight between rival drug dealers.

Edited December 9, 2017 by ratgirlagogo

[Annber03]

Yeah, there's been times off and on in the last couple months where I've seen paranormal-themed shows on the schedule. They're always on really late at night, mind, and it's just a random one-off episode each time, but still, I agree that it seems odd to put them on a channel like this. There's other channels those shows are better suited for, leave them there and let ID focus on the true crime stuff. 

[Razzberry]

The paranormal shows are curing my insomnia, but I agree they need to go.    Ghosts can't compete with humans for scary.

I did like this last Deadly Dentist.  He's the one who inspired the Lorne Malvo character on Fargo.

[SunnyBeBe]

Once again the Killer Dentist went down due to stupid planning and running his mouth.  What really gets me is that these killers don't seem to realize that police will think through the crime and motives.  I suppose that people just really do have a hard time keeping their mouth shut.  

[smittykins]

They always seem to think they're smarter than the cops.

[Otter]

I turned on A&E for episode 2 of Erik Talks.  Lord knows why -- one was enough.  

What a waste of my time, yet I paid little attention to it.  However, I'm gratified that some people said that the sexual abuse was news to them.  I simply don't believe it ever happened and Erik was so ticked off that people like me see him as an arrogant spoiled brat and he and his brother wanted their inheritance early.

"The boys" ... yeah, I remember that during the first trial/s.  And the cute fuzzy sweaters.  Cold blooded murderers.  

[Lizzing]

On 12/6/2017 at 9:09 PM, Midnight Sun said:

Regarding the "little shit" comment:  didn't the husband/ex/whoever also state that he heard the bitch say that (to him, or just out loud), and the cop overheard it?  I need to pay more attention and not play computer games during these programs.

Yep, you remember correctly.  It was the ex boyfriend who stated what she said at about 25 minutes into the version on the ID site.  The corrections officer who escorted her to the funeral home also heard it.  

So what happened to the Cecil hotel show?  ID billed it as a series but there were only 3 episodes and it just disappeared.  

[punkypower]

Anyone else watch last night's Murder Made Me Famous? With the exception of Yolanda, all the actors were spot on in appearance.

It still makes my blood BOIL Saldivar only got 30 years!

[Brattinella]

6 minutes ago, punkypower said:

Anyone else watch last night's Murder Made Me Famous? With the exception of Yolanda, all the actors were spot on in appearance.

It still makes my blood BOIL Saldivar only got 30 years!

I did not.  What channel was it on, and who were the victims/suspects?

[Annber03]

10 minutes ago, punkypower said:

Anyone else watch last night's Murder Made Me Famous? With the exception of Yolanda, all the actors were spot on in appearance.

It still makes my blood BOIL Saldivar only got 30 years!

I did. And I agree, the casting was eerily accurate. 

I'm surprised she only got 30 years, too.  Perhaps the jury felt her killing was the result of her being not in her right mind at the time, and that explained the lighter sentence? I dunno. The fact that she'll be eligible for parole in 2025, which would make it 30 years after Selena's death...talk about even more of a gut punch for her family. 

It was also so sad to hear about how Selena could've survived had the bullet hit just a fraction higher or lower on her body. Ergh. What a tragic story. 

[cooksdelight]

I’m watching the Jeffrey MacDonald rehash tonight. Nothing has yet changed my mind that he murdered his pregnant wife and two little girls. 

[Razzberry]

I watched Final Vision and thought it was well done.   Nothing new, but enjoyed seeing it covered it from Joe McGuiness's perspective, and the guy playing him was likable.   Was surprised that an ID movie had  a couple of actual songs from the era.

[auntjess]

For anyone else curious about A Gray State, on the A&E schedule.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6794380/

[walnutqueen]

3 hours ago, auntjess said:

For anyone else curious about A Gray State, on the A&E schedule.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt6794380/

Thanks for the heads up, @auntjess - I probably would have missed it!  DVR set for tonight.

Edited December 12, 2017 by walnutqueen
I never know what day it is

[walnutqueen]

I am so glad I didn't miss "A Gray State".  Thanks once again, @auntjess - it was riveting.   Descent into madness, folie a deux, helplessly disturbed child, and, best of all, a cute doggie who survives at the end!  Wow, just wow.  ;-)