S01.E19: Chapter Nineteen

[Tara Ariano]

Jane wants to repair things with Rafael. Meanwhile, Xo divulges a secret to Rogelio, who reacts unexpectedly; Alba begins to remember who caused her to fall; and Petra looks out for herself when she winds up in an alarming situation.

[tennisgurl]

I swear, I started yelling "run Petra run!" just as the narrator started yelling the same thing! Latin Lover Narrator and I are always on the same page! 

[LaughingOne]

That was a good one. I like Jane and Rafael, but I thought their break-up was really well done. Both Jane's romantic/determined belief they could work through it and Rafael's fear that they shouldn't even try because he'd ultimately drag her down a destructive path with him felt real to me and true to the characters' personalities and histories. Good stuff.

I also liked Rogelio's reaction to Xo's confession. Like Jane said, he's so proud that it would've been shocking for him to be okay with it. I'd be surprised if he doesn't fogive her soon, but his initial reaction HAD to be inherently dramatic.

So who's shipping Petra and Michael with me? His concern for her and their hug when he found her were pretty adorable. I assume we're in for a Jane and Michael reunion in the not-so-distant future, but I'd be all for a Petra and Michael pairing down the road. She needs a nice guy.

Nice to see the return of the Sin Rostra storyline - hopefully we see more of it in the final episodes. I've been missing the mystery element of the show lately.

[allonsyalice]

Rogelio singing.

[Bouffe]

That was a good one. I like Jane and Rafael, but I thought their break-up was really well done. Both Jane's romantic/determined belief they could work through it and Rafael's fear that they shouldn't even try because he'd ultimately drag her down a destructive path with him felt real to me and true to the characters' personalities and histories. Good stuff.

I also liked Rogelio's reaction to Xo's confession. Like Jane said, he's so proud that it would've been shocking for him to be okay with it. I'd be surprised if he doesn't fogive her soon, but his initial reaction HAD to be inherently dramatic.

So who's shipping Petra and Michael with me? His concern for her and their hug when he found her were pretty adorable. I assume we're in for a Jane and Michael reunion in the not-so-distant future, but I'd be all for a Petra and Michael pairing down the road. She needs a nice guy.

Nice to see the return of the Sin Rostra storyline - hopefully we see more of it in the final episodes. I've been missing the mystery element of the show lately.

This. All of this!

And I knew Nadine had to be shady.

[Lokiberry]

This is the second episode in a row that they've said Jane broke up with Michael because she was in love with Rafael; but that's not the reason. She broke up with him because he tried to deceive her over the state of Raf and Petra marriage. Are they trying to backtrack for some reason? Are they trying to make this more of a real love triangle, with Jane going back and forth between these guys? Have they noticed that BD is really good actor, much better (imho) than JB, and they've altered their plans accordingly? Or are they just going to kill him off in the season finale, and want him portrayed in the best possible light?

[Irlandesa]

I'm kind of unsure as to whether or not I think it fits into their characters because, like I've mentioned when discussing other episodes, for a while he was completely the opposite.  She was the doubter and he was the one who felt they'd work things out.

 

I liked the idea of a therapist but I didn't love how the episode was executed.  I think it's a little bit warped by the fact that Rafael wanting to have sex with a 23-year-old woman who told him she wanted to have sex with him too is something he'd see as heading down a 'dark path.'  And he'd be right because Jane really didn't want to have sex.  She just didn't want to have a baby as a virgin. 

 

And I'm confused about how we're supposed to see Michael.  He was a very good cop with Petra.  But then he essentially let Nadine go?  So he has let Petra go when investigating Zaz's murder by letting her take what could have been considered evidence.  He broke into a doctor's office and stole medical information.  And now he lets a cop go who compromised the investigation.

 

She broke up with him because he tried to deceive her over the state of Raf and Petra marriage. Are they trying to backtrack for some reason?

It's arguable but no, I don't think so.  Not completely.  She was drawn to Rafael and there was a scene where she consciously decided she'd focus on her fiance.  Then she learned about lies and chose to break up with him.  But her feelings for Rafael complicated the issue and that's what they've had her express. 
 

Are they trying to make this more of a real love triangle, with Jane going back and forth between these guys?

Maybe.  And if they do, I'm out.  I may be out anyway.  This show is just not much fun for me any longer. 

[jjj]

Rogelio singing.  Yes, this was the best part of the episode.  "I hope my baby's baby has my beautiful eyes" (better en Español!)

 

But ay!  Jane almost has sex (again), but doesn't (again), Jane isn't sure about Rafael, then she is sure, then maybe she had a better connection with Michael, but, but, but.  I am so tired of this pendulum. 

 

What happened with Edward the priest?  Last I remember, Jane's grandmother had asked him out.  On Easter.  Did I miss a retraction of the invitation?

[RachelKM]

That was a good one. I like Jane and Rafael, but I thought their break-up was really well done. Both Jane's romantic/determined belief they could work through it and Rafael's fear that they shouldn't even try because he'd ultimately drag her down a destructive path with him felt real to me and true to the characters' personalities and histories. Good stuff.

I also liked Rogelio's reaction to Xo's confession. Like Jane said, he's so proud that it would've been shocking for him to be okay with it. I'd be surprised if he doesn't fogive her soon, but his initial reaction HAD to be inherently dramatic.

So who's shipping Petra and Michael with me? His concern for her and their hug when he found her were pretty adorable. I assume we're in for a Jane and Michael reunion in the not-so-distant future, but I'd be all for a Petra and Michael pairing down the road. She needs a nice guy.

Nice to see the return of the Sin Rostra storyline - hopefully we see more of it in the final episodes. I've been missing the mystery element of the show lately.

I agree on all fronts. And yes to Petra and Michael.  

 

I'm kind of unsure as to whether or not I think it fits into their characters because, like I've mentioned when discussing other episodes, for a while he was completely the opposite.  She was the doubter and he was the one who felt they'd work things out.

 

I think it actually makes a lot of sense.  As this episode reenforced repeatedly, Rafael has taken a lot of hits in quick succession.  He doesn't doubt Jane, but on the heels of learning that his mother essentially sold him to his father, he doubts love and he doubts himself.  Also, in his present state of mind, even if love could eventually heal all, he feels he would be dragging Jane and their child through the slog of his emotional disaster. 

 

On a happier note... Rogelio's song, like the man himself, was delightful

[Indi]

Rafael is dumb. And boring. And dumb. Jane is much better without him.

 

I was was more heartbroken by Xo's and Rogelio's break up. I love them together, so I hope Rogelio is more reasonable next episode. As much as he can be anyway.

 

By the way, he can sing, too! I'm not worthy.

[turnitwayup]

All of Rogelio's storylines are entertaining. I was dying at the lyrics of his song. I love how he still loves wearing lavender.

 

At this point I want Jane to pick herself and introduce a new guy for her next season. So not into this triangle. I really don't care for Rafael and I'm liking the Michael/Petra chemistry more than the Michael/Jane.

[FurryFury]

"You don't go from asking someone to marry you to breaking up. That doesn't just happen!" - nice hypocritical humor here, Jane.

 

I'm really sick of Jane/Rafael. They are just boring and too soapy (I realize the show is an affectionate parody of a telenovela, but there isn't much parody with this romance). I like the show when it's funny and Rafael is just not funny. Also not a good actor.

 

I guess my overall opinion on the show depends on whether they'll be brave enough to not go the predictable will-they-or-won't they route with Jane/Rafael. If they won't, it could have potential for greatness. Jane/Michael or Jane/a new guy or Jane/nobody - I don't even care, just get rid of Rafael, he brings nothing to the show.

 

So who's shipping Petra and Michael with me?

 

I love Petra and I don't mind Michael, but I really want her to not have a "normal guy" LI. I love it when she's with shady guys and criminals and stuff, all this intrigue and dysfunction is so fun. 

Edited April 21, 2015 by FurryFury

[molshoop]

This was the first episode I didn't really love.  I felt there was too much going on and a lot of it was predictable.

[tennisgurl]

Rogelio's song was amazing, and I want to listen to it again and again!

 

Love this episode. I thought the break up went pretty well. I think Raphael and Jane are cute, but they are just too different, and too soapy to really work as a real world couple. I prefer Jane and Michael. Although, I can kind of see them going to Michael/Petra, or even having Michael/Jane, and then bringing Raphael/Petra back.

 

The different versions of Jane and Raphael were great. I love this show and its commitment to its own, weird whimsy. 

 

Glad that the Sin Rostra story is back. I get why he let his partner go. It was a bad cop move, but they were also super close, and she was (supposedly) acting under duress. Does NOT excuse what she did, but I can see how it would be hard for Michael. 

 

Alba recognized Petra`s evil mom! Glad they didn't forget about that plot! I will admit, its pretty impressive how many balls the writers are juggling, without dropping so many that its frustrating. 

[BoogieBurns]

I liked this episode. The last few have left me pretty bored, but this one had less filler. Plus we got to hear Rogelio sing, and I love him more every episode.

 

The skinny dipping scene was hot. I can see why Jane couldn't resist at that point. 

[Bouffe]

I really enjoyed this episode! Even tho my Team!Rafael! heart was broken for them. I feel like they are portraying Jane and Rafael's relationship pretty realistically. And that comes with the good and the bad. I really liked it.

 

And yes, that skinny dipping scene was HOT!!!! I'm glad nothing but making out happened, as Jane would have regretted it, and Rafael would have felt guilty for going along with it knowing how important this all is for Jane.

 

I knew, I just knew that Nadine was shady. I wouldn't have pinpoint the reason why she was working for Sin Rostro, but I knew from that scene with the Serbian war criminal, and Nadine not wanting to tell the boss, that she was hiding something.

 

It was nice to see all those characters that just last week many of us were wondering about. Magda's back... I'm excited to see where this is going, given Alba recognized her and given the preview for next episode...  LOL

 

Poor Petra. I felt so terrible for her being kidnapped by Roman! And then he dies at her hands. She cannot catch a break. She makes a really great vilain that we love to hate and love to love all at the same time.

 

Rogelio's reaction to Xo's admission was predictable. I'm sure it won't last long!

 

I felt terrible for Rafael. He feels stuck between a rock and a hard place and doesn't know what to do other than push everyone aside so he doesn't hurt them more. Jane seemed to be quite resolved about the break up this time. Michael will try his luck with her again, I'm sure...  Will Danni get involved in the mix?

This is the second episode in a row that they've said Jane broke up with Michael because she was in love with Rafael; but that's not the reason. She broke up with him because he tried to deceive her over the state of Raf and Petra marriage. Are they trying to backtrack for some reason? Are they trying to make this more of a real love triangle, with Jane going back and forth between these guys? Have they noticed that BD is really good actor, much better (imho) than JB, and they've altered their plans accordingly? Or are they just going to kill him off in the season finale, and want him portrayed in the best possible light?

 

Jane broke up with Michael because of his lying but also because she had feelings for Rafael. I'll agree that the writers are stretching a bit by saying she left Michael because she was "in love" with Rafael.

[Bouffe]

"You don't go from asking someone to marry you to breaking up. That doesn't just happen!" - nice hypocritical humor here, Jane.

 

I'm really sick of Jane/Rafael. They are just boring and too soapy (I realize the show is an affectionate parody of a telenovela, but there isn't much parody with this romance). I like the show when it's funny and Rafael is just not funny. Also not a good actor.

 

I guess my overall opinion on the show depends on whether they'll be brave enough to not go the predictable will-they-or-won't they route with Jane/Rafael. 

Well, as you said, this is based on a telenovela, so I feel like it's highly possible they will go the will-they-won't-they route with Jane, Michael and Rafael. I might be wrong, as this show has surprised me quite a bit so far!

[FurryFury]

I don't really care about telenovelas, though. I don't watch them, although I'm familiar with the genre enough from my childhood. I've only started to watch this show because of all the rave reviews, and there is a lot to like, but Rafael just sucks so much! He's so generic, no real personality, no acting ability, I just can't bring myself to care. I mean, it's possible to create a romance that's both funny AND sweet - just look at Rogelio (who's hilarious) and Xo. Why can't Rafael be like that? He's so bland.

[Primetimer]

And more not-quite-burning questions about the latest Jane The Virgin.

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[Thog]

That does it. I'm naming my next pet Rogelio.

[Rhetorica]

Not as much tounge in cheek quips and moments in this episode. I didn't find myself smiling as I usually do. But, that pool scene....Lots of chemistry there. Where's the priest date?

[gesundheit]

I'm really sick of Jane/Rafael. They are just boring and too soapy (I realize the show is an affectionate parody of a telenovela, but there isn't much parody with this romance). I like the show when it's funny and Rafael is just not funny. Also not a good actor.

That hit the nail on the head for me. While the show has drama and romance and intrigue in addition to comedy, Rafael seems to be the only character who is never in a comedy. And so that weighs down his scenes for me and slows down the fun ride. Mostly his personality is defined by being good-looking and rich and.... mostly nice? Which, great! But not so great on a show like this that's full of such dynamic and exciting people.

 

I'm glad we're circling back to Sin Rostro-related stuff. And Magda! And of course Luisa is back next week, so that's always a delight. I do hope we get to see Ms Rose-stro herself again soon.

 

It's odd. I think this show is damn near perfect and I absolutely adore it but the plotlines that least interest me are (a) Jane's pregnancy/baby and (b) Jane's love life.

Edited April 21, 2015 by gesundheit

[penelope79]

Overall I enjoyed the episode even though, being Team!Rafael too, I feel sorry for him.

And I get it, we're in season 1 and Jane and Rafael are -most probably- endgame so, of course, writers needed to break them up.

However, as much as I like the whole will they/won't they dynamic, at least most of the times, I HATE love triangles. And, as Lokiberry said above, I'd hate too if Jane become the typical female character who goes back and forth between her 2 love interests (which, sooner or later, always means character assassination, imo). It seems that's exactly what's about to happen and, frankly, I thought this show was better than that. I hope to be proven wrong, though.

 

And count me in with Michael/Petra. Now, that would be an interesting couple with so much fun potential!

 

So... are we supposed to think that Jane will follow her best friend's suggestion and have a C-section in order to keep her virginity intact?

Edited April 21, 2015 by penelope79

[natyxg]

This is the second episode in a row that they've said Jane broke up with Michael because she was in love with Rafael; but that's not the reason. She broke up with him because he tried to deceive her over the state of Raf and Petra marriage. Are they trying to backtrack for some reason? Are they trying to make this more of a real love triangle, with Jane going back and forth between these guys? Have they noticed that BD is really good actor, much better (imho) than JB, and they've altered their plans accordingly? Or are they just going to kill him off in the season finale, and want him portrayed in the best possible light?

 

I think Jane did break up with him because she was in love with Raphael. What Michael did was quite shitty, don't get me wrong, but Jane got over him in two seconds and didn't cut him any slack.

 

Anyway, the relationships are killing this show for me. Jane/Raphael, Xo/rogelio, zzzzz. Please bring Sin Rostro back or any other mystery plot.

 

The moment that I saw Petra next to that javelin like thingy I knew Roman was going to get impaled again.

[BoogieBurns]

So... are we supposed to think that Jane will follow her best friend's suggestion and have a C-section in order to keep her virginity intact?

 

Yeah, I don't think a baby coming out is the same as a penis going in. She is totally still a virgin if she only gives birth.

 

Obviously, it's not too often that a virgin gives birth... 

[FurryFury]

Yeah, I don't think a baby coming out is the same as a penis going in. She is totally still a virgin if she only gives birth.

 

Well, TECHNICALLY, she's not (although maybe the artificial insemination took care of that, no idea how it happens. Or maybe she's a fan of horseback riding, or was just born this way, who knows). Anyway, it's probably the psychological aspect that matters to her, plus, it's possible to restore the physical virginity medically, should she wish to.

Edited April 21, 2015 by FurryFury

[BoogieBurns]

Wouldn't her annual OBGYN appointments have technically counted then too? 

[Irlandesa]

That hit the nail on the head for me. While the show has drama and romance and intrigue in addition to comedy, Rafael seems to be the only character who is never in a comedy. And so that weighs down his scenes for me and slows down the fun ride. Mostly his personality is defined by being good-looking and rich and.... mostly nice? Which, great! But not so great on a show like this that's full of such dynamic and exciting people.

I like Rafael a lot.  I don't find him dull or a drag on the show and I'm not one of those who'd rather be watching Rogelio.  (Perfect in small doses.)  But I am getting sick of how much they are dumping on him with his sister and his parents.  Then they go and have him break up with Jane leaving the baby the one good thing in his life--can't wait to see how they're going to try and take that way too.  I get wanting to create angst but this is angst porn and it's definitely not fun to watch.

 

Wouldn't her annual OBGYN appointments have technically counted then too?

Not necessarily, the hymen has openings to let period blood out.  It can be broken through things like horseback riding or can be so flexible that it doesn't even break during penetration.  (I googled this and there are a lot of interesting hymen facts out there--like it can close back up in post menopausal women.)  I'm not sure what Jane's friend was getting at--if she was talking about the hymen or if she was talking about something going through the vaginal canal.  Either way, it was a pretty lame association.  If the definition is having something in the vaginal canal, a doctor's appointment would do that.  If it's related to the hymen, well that's a very old fashioned cultural definition of virginity. 

 

Either way, Jane is a virgin and will be after she gives birth.

[BoogieBurns]

I googled this and there are a lot of interesting hymen facts out there--

 

Thank you for this. I am at work and couldn't figure out a way to look this up.

 

Is there a way to check if it grew back? Kidding!

[Lokiberry]

Yeah, I don't think a baby coming out is the same as a penis going in. She is totally still a virgin if she only gives birth.

 

Obviously, it's not too often that a virgin gives birth... 

Well, just the one time.

 

 

That hit the nail on the head for me. While the show has drama and romance and intrigue in addition to comedy, Rafael seems to be the only character who is never in a comedy. And so that weighs down his scenes for me and slows down the fun ride. Mostly his personality is defined by being good-looking and rich and.... mostly nice? Which, great! But not so great on a show like this that's full of such dynamic and exciting people.

Yeah, the problem with Rafael is that he's not funny, and that's a big deal in a show filled with outrageously funny people. It's hard to be the straight man to all that, and it requires a strong actor to hold his own with all the over the top characters.

[Lebanna]

I really hated the baby-virginity connection because I kind of thought her friend was freaking out that the baby would be a boy and she'd technically have had a penis in there. Which is just so unbelievably icky and wrong. But I like all your ideas about her motives better.

But yes, if breaking the hymen was enough, Jane wouldn't even dare use tampons. It's a medieval and stupid definition.

I liked this episode and Rogelio's stupid song was adorable. I loved him getting all hypocritical Angel Clare on Xiomara's 'Tess of the d'Urbervilles' - but only because I can't believe that the breakup will stick.

The whole idea of baby showers in real life kind of make me uncomfortable because I was raised to think they were bad luck - like you should never count your chickens and all that. But I get that it's a cultural institution, and luckily we know that everything will go fine for Jane, because this is not that kind of show.

Where was Alba's priest?

Edited April 21, 2015 by Lebanna

[SeanC]

Earlier in the season a lot of us were speculating that Nadine worked for Sin Rostro, but I'd discounted that theory since nothing really came of it, so it was interesting to see that revived and confirmed now.

 

Lina, as a character, has always felt way more peripheral to the show than her status as Jane's supposed best friend seemed to suggest she was meant to be (as did the few episodes that tried to sell that as an important connection).  This episode, I thought, went a long way toward establishing some grounding and an emotional connection between the two of them.

[omgsowicked]

Roman. Impaled. Twice. Ha! Good. Poor Aaron.

 

I thought something was shifty about Nadine... she seemed remorseful, though, so at least she wasn't totally bad. How long were they partners? Michael was in tears over learning about this.

 

So Andie came clean about her stalking, after trying to get Jane to keep quiet about it (at her baby shower, wow). I don't know what to make of her... is she a creepy stalker (who totally hasn't set up webcams in Michael's house to watch him sleep), or is she just a little awkward? Also, Michael's break up text seemed connected to Jane's sad state. Would he have broken up with Andie regardless?

I was worried Petra was calling Lachlan, so I was relieved (and excited) that it was her mom. And Alba remembers!

 

Jane and Rafael have worn thin for me, so I was bored watching their drama. They're so serious, and when there's all this intrigue and silliness elsewhere, it feels like a drag to follow them. But I guess it was worth it to get them both on the same page about breaking up. Though I think he's pushing her away because he's still reeling from all the issues he's dealing with. And he's been dumped on a lot, which I think is partly why he and the Jane/Rafael scenes drag. Regardless, I agree with the end result.

 

I got back on board with Jane/Michael last week but I've realized, almost twenty chapters in, that this is not the show to get fiercely attached to pairings. So give me whatever you've got, show. :P

Edited April 21, 2015 by omgsowicked

[Impish Dragon]

So who's shipping Petra and Michael with me? His concern for her and their hug when he found her were pretty adorable. I assume we're in for a Jane and Michael reunion in the not-so-distant future, but I'd be all for a Petra and Michael pairing down the road. She needs a nice guy.

 

*raises hand*

 

And I like Jane with Rafael, but kinda glad they broke up.  They need to grow a bit individually and figure themselves out as parents.  Plus, with the pressure of not making the romantic relationship work, they can become friends and have that grow into more.

[kieyra]

Rafael never previously did much for me, but the breakup affected me more than I would have expected. The emotional logic even supported it.

[Irlandesa]

The whole idea of baby showers in real life kind of make me uncomfortable because I was raised to think they were bad luck - like you should never count your chickens and all that. But I get that it's a cultural institution, and luckily we know that everything will go fine for Jane, because this is not that kind of show.

Let's just be grateful that Jane doesn't want to know the sex of the baby or we'd be getting a separate "sex revealing" party.  Because those exist.  And I don't understand them. 

 

Also, Michael's break up text seemed connected to Jane's sad state. Would he have broken up with Andie regardless?

I don't think there's any doubt it's connected to Jane's newly single state.  He may have broken up with her anyway but I don't think what she did was even a consideration in his breaking up with her other than he could do it guilt free.  It's probably very similar to how Jane broke up with him.  She was having feelings for Rafael but was going to stick with Michael but when Michael did something break-up-able, she took that opportunity.  They were given "outs" and they took them. 

[whyjoshua]

Rafael never previously did much for me, but the breakup affected me more than I would have expected. The emotional logic even supported it.

 

I 100% cosign. I think a problem with Rafael is that, unlike Michael, we never see him have an interesting life outside of his relationship with Jane. When we first encountered him, he was in a loveless marriage; now he's grieving the death of his father and the discovery of an uncaring mother. These are all pretty heavy issues that a bubbly show like JtV isn't all that equipped to handle, and as a result I think the character feels flat. But now that the show has put a lampshade on this issue, and Rafael thinks he shouldn't be with Jane precisely because he doesn't fit the tone of her world, I ironically felt more connected with him than I ever have.

Lina, as a character, has always felt way more peripheral to the show than her status as Jane's supposed best friend seemed to suggest she was meant to be (as did the few episodes that tried to sell that as an important connection).  This episode, I thought, went a long way toward establishing some grounding and an emotional connection between the two of them.

Jennie Urman gave an interview somewhere early in the season, saying that she loves the ability of soap operas to build a gigantic ensemble cast, accumulating character after character until an entire community has been established. Lina is part of that. But I'm not sure the show knows how to deploy the ensemble for optimal storytelling yet...

[mrsbagnet]

What were the two hours that Michael gave Nadine supposed to mean? Was it time for her to confess herself, erase the evidence, skip town?

 

I've had enough of Jane's self-righteousness. Once again she harshly scolded her mother for an indiscretion. I guess Jane and Alba missed that part in the Bible about not being a judgmental asshole (paraphrasing). I don't know why Xo tells Jane or Alba anything; they couldn't be less supportive. Why doesn't she have any friends to talk to?

 

I didn't like Rogelio's song - I fast forwarded through some of it. While I do enjoy the character as comic relief, his excessive vanity has always grated on me. I don't understand why Xo would even want to be with him, other than their sexual chemistry. His insistence that Jane call him "Dad" also bugs me, but that situation hits a bit close to home for me.

[whyjoshua]

I've had enough of Jane's self-righteousness. Once again she harshly scolded her mother for an indiscretion. I guess Jane and Alba missed that part in the Bible about not being a judgmental asshole (paraphrasing). I don't know why Xo tells Jane or Alba anything; they couldn't be less supportive. Why doesn't she have any friends to talk to?

Being able to call out folks for doing something stupid is part of the benefits of being friends and family, ya? I don't know, I like the dynamic between the three Villanueva women. You get the sense that Xo has messed up plenty of relationships, she knows that, and she kind of relies upon Jane to keep her on the straight and narrow. (Less so with Alba, because it sounds worse coming from your mother.)

Edited April 22, 2015 by whyjoshua

[maraleia]

Let's just be grateful that Jane doesn't want to know the sex of the baby or we'd be getting a separate "sex revealing" party.  Because those exist.  And I don't understand them. 

 

 

Well to be accurate its gender reveal parties but I feel ya on those parties. They are ridiculous and unnecessary.

[TeapotDiva]

Let's just be grateful that Jane doesn't want to know the sex of the baby . . .

 

Am I remembering this incorrectly, or doesn't Jane know that she's having a girl?  Maybe I'm thinking that because her imaginary child (who, in a past episode, judged Jane's mothering skills) is a girl?

[herbaltease]

Sooooo, Alba has a driver's license? I'm assuming proof of citizenry isn't high on the priority list for license registrants in FL. Or Alba is just one of those drivers who DGAF.

ETA: That should have been 'citizenry'

Edited April 22, 2015 by 80srockher

[Irlandesa]

Well to be accurate its gender reveal parties but I feel ya on those parties. They are ridiculous and unnecessary.

Thanks for the correction.  I hate baby showers.  You can guess how even less interested I am in gender reveal parties ( so little I don't even know their name). 

 

Am I remembering this incorrectly, or doesn't Jane know that she's having a girl?  Maybe I'm thinking that because her imaginary child (who, in a past episode, judged Jane's mothering skills) is a girl?

Jane is convinced she is having a girl but they decided not to find out if they were having a boy or a girl after there was a health scare. So for right now it's just her gut.

[TeapotDiva]

Thanks, Irlandesa!

[swanjun]

From the visual effects, I couldn't tell... did Michael actually send that message to Andie or did he delete it? It didn't stay on screen long like the clearly sent ones do, but then again, she didn't reply that we saw, so...

[VLove]

Well, TECHNICALLY, she's not (although maybe the artificial insemination took care of that, no idea how it happens. Or maybe she's a fan of horseback riding, or was just born this way, who knows). Anyway, it's probably the psychological aspect that matters to her, plus, it's possible to restore the physical virginity medically, should she wish to.

 

TECHNICALLY, the only way to NOT be a virgin is to have sex.  Period.  Please, please, PLEASE lets not give any credence to the idea that a tampon or a horseback ride - or even BIRTH can make you lose your virginity.  PLEASE.  That is why she is call the VIRGIN Mary - because even though she gave birth, she was a VIRGIN.  No one called her NO-LONGER-A-VIRGIN-BECAUSE-GOD-KNOCKED-HER-UP-BY-OSMOSIS MARY.  Please.  Please.  It's 2015, we have to do better.

 

Sooooo, Alba has a driver's license? I'm assuming proof of citizenry isn't high on the priority list for license registrants in FL. Or Alba is just one of those drivers who DGAF.

ETA: That should have been 'citizenry'

 

Yes!  Even if they lived in California where illegal aliens (hate that term) can get drivers licenses, given how freaked out Alba was about going to the courthouse/getting deported (in Chapter 9?) I doubt she would have gotten a license.

 

I don't think Jane was in love with Rafael when she left Michael, but I think she definitely interested in him.  Michael started acting crazy and it gave her the opportunity to explore her feeling for Rafa.  That might be splitting hairs, but its how I see it.

 

I am behind everyone above who said that Rafael is too serious in a show filled with amazing comedic talent.  The show grinds to a halt every time he is on screen.  In theory, I want the concept of Rafael and Jane to work, cause its a great story to tell the grandkids, but Rafa is going to have to go to improv classes or SOMETHING.

 

That being said, their break up did move me.  Yes, life has been coming fast and hard at Rafa but he seems so defeated.  No one wants that for a new baby.

 

I adore Petra.  She's done some horrible things, but that's because she's had to be a survivor.

 

I think Michael let Nadine have the two hour head start because she was his partner, they even had a sexual relationship and because Sin Rostro was threatening her family.  And she really didn't do much aside from trying to redirect/stall the investigation.  It wasn't like she was out there running drugs or putting hits on people.  Is she a criminal?  Sure.  But I get why he did it.

 

Finally, I am completely UN-invested in whether or not Jane stays a virgin (aside from it being the name and concept of the show).  I just want her to know that she doesn't have to be married to the idea of virginity (no pun intended) just because she made that decision in the 5th grade.  YOU CAN MAKE NEW DECISIONS BASED ON NEW INFORMATION!!

Edited April 22, 2015 by VLove

[FurryFury]

TECHNICALLY, the only way to NOT be a virgin is to have sex.  Period.  Please, please, PLEASE lets not give any credence to the idea that a tampon or a horseback ride - or even BIRTH can make you lose your virginity.  PLEASE.  That is why she is call the VIRGIN Mary - because even though she gave birth, she was a VIRGIN.  Please.  Please.  It's 2015, we have to do better.

 

I was talking about technical side of this (breaking of the hymen). I don't really care about virginity as a concept so I have no idea how Jane understands it. Maybe for her, the physical part is important as well. After all, the show itself kinda implied it, with her friend talking about losing virginity to her baby and Jane not contradicting it. So no attacks, please.

 

I just want her to know that she doesn't have to be married to the idea of virginity (no pun intended) just because she made that decision in the 5th grade.

 

I can agree with it. Especially when the show subtly poked fun at the flower analogy via Jane's friend. I actually happened to have a similar friend with an older sister, so I was quite enlightened by the age of 10.

Edited April 22, 2015 by FurryFury

[Irlandesa]

I was talking about technical side of this (breaking of the hymen). I don't really care about virginity as a concept so I have no idea how Jane understands it. Maybe for her, the physical part is important as well. After all, the show itself kinda implied it, with her friend talking about losing virginity to her baby and Jane not contradicting it. So no attacks, please.

Right.  But that's the problem. (And this isn't an attack on you but rather the very wrong and outdated notion that still gets pushed, especially by patriarchal societies.) The hymen doesn't technically represent virginity.  In some cases, during sex, the hymen breaks and bleeds.  That used to be the way a couple would prove they had consummated their marriage and that she was a virgin.  But not all hymens break during sex.  Not all women bleed.  Not all women have their hymens in tact when they first have sex.  And even if yours breaks and bleeds, most women still have their hymen.

 

The notion of "protecting the hymen" is what leads girls to giving blow jobs to their boyfriends or having anal sex before the old-fashioned missionary position....because 'virginity' and 'purity.'

 

Knowing what we know about the hymen, we need to move away from virginity as a technicality (since there is no true proof of virginity) and start talking about it as a concept which is more accurate. 

 

And it's one thing that kind of irks me about the way sex is dealt with on Jane The Virgin...there seems to be very little pushback against these ancient attitudes.  Even Xo feels cowered over the fact that she's an adult woman having a sexual relationship. 

 

In theory, I want the concept of Rafael and Jane to work, cause its a great story to tell the grandkids, but Rafa is going to have to go to improv classes or SOMETHING.

I don't know that he needs improv.  I do think his stories next season shouldn't be so dour.  Being a new parent could be a lot of fun because babies can be weird.

[VLove]

I was talking about technical side of this (breaking of the hymen). I don't really care about virginity as a concept so I have no idea how Jane understands it. Maybe for her, the physical part is important as well. After all, the show itself kinda implied it, with her friend talking about losing virginity to her baby and Jane not contradicting it. So no attacks, please.

 

Attacks?  I'm truly sorry if you felt attacked when I was asking the forum AT LARGE to not go down some rabbit hole where the word virgin means anything other than what the word actually means.  

 

From websters:

 

• virgin (noun) a person who has not had sexual intercourse

 

That's it.  

 

Nowhere in the definition is there a reference to someone's hymen.  There is no figurative meaning v. literal meaning, no technical v. layman meaning.  Virginity is about sex.  

 

The amusing part is that it is Lina (the enlightened 5th grader) who brings this lunacy up - not Old World Alba.  This is why a little information in a 5th graders hands, be it by the nuns/grandmother or by older sisters, is a very dangerous thing.

 

Again, I apologize that you felt attacked.  It certainly wasn't intentional.

Edited April 22, 2015 by VLove

[FurryFury]

Nowhere in the definition is there a reference to someone's hymen.  There is no figurative meaning v. literal meaning, no technical v. layman meaning.  Virginity is about sex.

 

For you. For me. For the author of this definition. But for Jane and the show? No idea. Definitions are subjective, you know.