Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

beckie · December 31, 2023

I see this as Kaylee doing exactly what BME tells her to do on FB, because right now she's the favored child, something that she hasn't been in the past.

Unfortunately for her, if Renee marries someone BME and Hunk approve of and quickly produces that coveted granddaughter (or if Nurie does), she'll be pushed back into her (and Kaylee) role. I'm just sad for her.

crazy8s · December 31, 2023

15 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I imagine they hear much more from screaming preachers st the pulpit than (used correctly, Kaylee) they actually read.

I sort of figured they would have seen the word in their bible copying home school work. Imagine my surprise in doing google search that the word chaste seems to appear in the good old KJV bible just 3 times, all new testament.

No wonder she can't spell it. They only hear it in context as a standard set by mama.

CalicoKitty · December 31, 2023

26 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

I imagine they hear much more from screaming preachers st the pulpit than (used correctly, Kaylee) they actually read.

I'm sure they cannot read and understand the KJ Bible. They learn by listening to some preacher's interpretation. Since many of their preachers don't have much education, I think the message gets muddled. Then they "spread the word" that they thought they heard.

satrunrose · December 31, 2023

Actually, if the Rodlets can't read the KJV, it makes sense why their delightful parents are so picky about the version used by the churches they grace with their presence. I mean, if you're a literate person you can see that there's no significant change in meaning between

New Revised Standard

10 But the angel said to them, "Do not be afraid; for see—I am bringing you good news of great joy for all the people:

Good News

10 but the angel said to them, "Don't be afraid! I am here with good news for you, which will bring great joy to all the people.

KJV

10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

The KJV sounds fancier (which, let's face it, is enough for Jill) and is harder to push back against if you don't know the difference between chaste and chased.

Edited December 31, 2023 by satrunrose

Salacious Kitty · December 31, 2023

In the Christmas videos, Renee read a Bible passage. She mispronounced "devout." I forget how she said it, and it took me a second to figure out what she actually meant.

So yeah, pretty much illiterate.

Edited December 31, 2023 by Salacious Kitty
Missed a period. Oops!

crazy8s · December 31, 2023

and that is just how best mama and daddy want to keep the rest of them illiterate and relying on mama and daddy to tell them what to think and believe so they will have all control.

Timothy is learning the horrors Jill tells about some things are not so true. Heidi's parents certainly have like minded religious and political beliefs, but are not quite as fanatical on things like all women who wear pants are whores. Should Tim believe his future MIL is a whore because she got her picture taken in jeans?? I bet he does not because he hopefully sees her as a real person and not just how she dresses.

Jill herself is a hypocrite by all her superior modesty standards while all the while taking grift money from churches that according to Jill "have lowered their standards by allowing women to wear clothing that pertaineth to men" and by having women who wear pants in her plexus downline.

Jill and Dave are fine with pants wearing women like Nathan's sister, who let them use a condo for a free vacation, take them to goodwill and buy them things or give to the grift.

Edited December 31, 2023 by crazy8s

oliviabenson · December 31, 2023

2 hours ago, BetyBee said:

My eyes! Why isn't she wearing a mahdest, skin tight mermaid skirt and a hoodie blouse?! 😜

And a baseball bonnet 😜

BradandJanet · December 31, 2023

It's not just Ellen's jeans that are upsetting Lord Daniel. She has neglected to bleach her dark hair until it becomes a pile of straw, add mismatched extensions, and trowel on an inch of makeup.

dariafan · December 31, 2023

17 hours ago, sixlets said:

I was reading an article in People Magazine Thursday evening, and it was about a young man who spent 4 years or so in federal prison. He is now out and finally admitted to friends, family, and probably himself, that he could not read. There was a column of statistics, and one of them stated that 54% of adults in the US cannot read above a 6th-grade level. Jill is hitting so many points when it comes to abusing her children. Until individual states put mandates in place for home-schooling, kids like the Rodlets will fall through the cracks and join that 54% statistic.

Oliver speaks on tik tok has been teaching himself to read and it’s such an inspiration

AstridM · January 1

6 hours ago, BetyBee said:

My eyes! Why isn't she wearing a mahdest, skin tight mermaid skirt and a hoodie blouse?! 😜

Who is more modest? And keep in mind one woman’s pounds of makeup and reams of cheap fake hair!

realityfan26 · January 1

7 hours ago, BetyBee said:

My eyes! Why isn't she wearing a mahdest, skin tight mermaid skirt and a hoodie blouse?! 😜

Seeing this picture sent me down a rabbit hole! I had no idea Heidi's sister was so much different than the fundies Jill encounters. She's got to be so afraid of what Tim is exposed to.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

6 minutes ago, realityfan26 said:

Seeing this picture sent me down a rabbit hole! I had no idea Heidi's sister was so much different than the fundies Jill encounters. She's got to be so afraid of what Tim is exposed to.

I'd consider Hallie a mainstream Christian. The family a little more conservative (they do homeschool). Heidi seems to come out fundie, but maybe she's closer to her parents' beliefs than the Rods.

YupItsMe · January 1

I’m surprised Jill hasn’t pitched a fit about Tim & Heidi being in night clothes in front of each other before they are married.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

Just now, YupItsMe said:

I’m surprised Jill hasn’t pitched a fit about Tim & Heidi being in night clothes in front of each other before they are married.

Oh, that's part of Kaylee's modest clothes rant. Jill approved. 🙄

Dimi1 · January 1

6 hours ago, crazy8s said:

and that is just how best mama and daddy want to keep the rest of them illiterate and relying on mama and daddy to tell them what to think and believe so they will have all control.

Timothy is learning the horrors Jill tells about some things are not so true. Heidi's parents certainly have like minded religious and political beliefs, but are not quite as fanatical on things like all women who wear pants are whores. Should Tim believe his future MIL is a whore because she got her picture taken in jeans?? I bet he does not because he hopefully sees her as a real person and not just how she dresses.

Jill herself is a hypocrite by all her superior modesty standards while all the while taking grift money from churches that according to Jill "have lowered their standards by allowing women to wear clothing that pertaineth to men" and by having women who wear pants in her plexus downline.

Jill and Dave are fine with pants wearing women like Nathan's sister, who let them use a condo for a free vacation, take them to goodwill and buy them things or give to the grift.

In the book of Enoch ( the accurate historical one - according to academic michael heiser)...the watchers taught the women how to wear make - up..to SEDUCE men...if Jill read about that she would never wear make up again...and the book of enoch is not canon..but is used as an historical cultural document - but enoch is referenced in the bible...

Zella · January 1

I agree they're probably not doing much reading, and we know they're not doing anything resembling real school. But in my personal experience, I think people tend to be either good at spelling or not, and it doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence, education, or reading ability/frequency. So, Kaylee may still very well suck at spelling even if she was raised in a different environment.

Notabug · January 1

42 minutes ago, Zella said:

I agree they're probably not doing much reading, and we know they're not doing anything resembling real school. But in my personal experience, I think people tend to be either good at spelling or not, and it doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence, education, or reading ability/frequency. So, Kaylee may still very well suck at spelling even if she was raised in a different environment.

True, but she also doesn't understand grammar, capitalization, or punctuation, so I think the real problem is lack of education.

46 minutes ago, Dimi1 said:

In the book of Enoch ( the accurate historical one - according to academic michael heiser)...the watchers taught the women how to wear make - up..to SEDUCE men...if Jill read about that she would never wear make up again...and the book of enoch is not canon..but is used as an historical cultural document - but enoch is referenced in the bible...

These are people who assert the earth is only 6000 years old based on the begats in the Bible. I don't think they'd accept anything from any non-KJV source.

And, yes, I am sure Jill popped a gasket when she saw Tim and Heidi and the rest of the family hanging out wearing matching PJ's, opening Christmas gifts. That they even continue to associate with the pants-wearing harlot daughter is beyond the pale to Dave and Jill. If Kaylee ever donned slutty pants, she'd be cut off without another word.

Zella · January 1

1 hour ago, Notabug said:

True, but she also doesn't understand grammar, capitalization, or punctuation, so I think the real problem is lack of education.

Yes I'm aware. I was just pushing back on the underlying assumption a bunch of people are repeating on here that reading and education automatically make someone a good speller. That's just simply not always true in my experience, and I think sometimes people are overly simplistic about it.

Edited January 1 by Zella

Salacious Kitty · January 1

Reading and education definitely helped ME with spelling. Just speaking for myself. 😀

Regarding the Rods, their spelling patterns come from the KJV bible. Jill spells words like armor in British English. Kaylee is an unknown, as possible words haven't come up yet. But I bet she spells according to the KJV as well. It's all she knows.

Edited January 1 by Salacious Kitty

the-grey-lady · January 1

On 10/9/2023 at 10:24 AM, laurakaye said:

It must be a bit jarring to come upon two fully-dressed adults squished up against each other while the woman holds her phone out to narrate her surroundings and then pans around to capture anyone and everyone who happens to be nearby.

And then those squished, fully-dressed adults ambush you and try to win your soul.

LilJen · January 1

20 hours ago, AstridM said:

Much like the rest of us did with song lyrics growing up! 😆 For several years as a kid, I thought Foreigner’s “Urgent” was “virgin.”

Hmm. Wonder what you thought the band meant by "Virgin. . . EMERGENCY!" :)

xwordfanatik · January 1

12 hours ago, Zella said:

I agree they're probably not doing much reading, and we know they're not doing anything resembling real school. But in my personal experience, I think people tend to be either good at spelling or not, and it doesn't necessarily correlate with intelligence, education, or reading ability/frequency. So, Kaylee may still very well suck at spelling even if she was raised in a different environment.

Throw in dyslexia, and it's true that educated people can be terrible at spelling.

Notabug · January 1

46 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

Throw in dyslexia, and it's true that educated people can be terrible at spelling.

Oh, absolutely. There are plenty of highly intelligent people who cannot spell worth a darn. However, in Kaylee's case, it's impossible to know whether she is simply a poor speller because we all know that her education in was so poor overall. She never had a chance.

Absolom · January 1

For most people (not including people with certain learning issues), spelling like any other skill can be improved with education and practice. Improved not necessarily made perfect. That is why elementary students are taught word families and other phonics patterns and "spelling rules." However, Jill's alleged educational program is so lacking in even basic comprehension of what a normal curriculum is that it's not shocking at how dismal her adult children's writing skills are. Instead of reports and essays their writing assigments seem to have only been writing or pretending to write posts praising Jill.

AstridM · January 1

10 hours ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Reading and education definitely helped ME with spelling. Just speaking for myself. 😀

Regarding the Rods, their spelling patterns come from the KJV bible. Jill spells words like armor in British English. Kaylee is an unknown, as possible words haven't come up yet. But I bet she spells according to the KJV as well. It's all she knows.

Same. I know the correct spellings of most words because I read so much as a child (and as an adult). I can tell if a word doesn’t “look” right, and that’s simply because of seeing it so many times in print.

3 hours ago, LilJen said:

Hmm. Wonder what you thought the band meant by "Virgin. . . EMERGENCY!" :)

LOL. I don’t think I ever even put that together! 😆

Edited January 1 by AstridM

GeeGolly · January 1

There's IQ and education. One can be smart and poorly educated and one can be not so smart with a great education. And then there is a plethora of other reasons, learning disability, hearing impaired, vision impaired, home life, access to books, wifi, etc.

I think we all agree the Rod kids were/are poorly educated. If you think about it, these kids should get props if they test out at 6th grade. I'm guessing much of what they've learned is mostly self taught.

GeeGolly · January 1

Came back to add for the average person posting in a forum or on other SM, their less than grammatically correct posts may be due to laziness, distraction, 'text speak' or whatever.

Personally, I wouldn't try to evaluate intelligence or education by any SM posts.

With that said, shillers and influencers should certainly take the time to make sure well written.

BradandJanet · January 1

3 hours ago, LilJen said:

Hmm. Wonder what you thought the band meant by "Virgin. . . EMERGENCY!" :)

For some reason, I now have the video and the song "Danger! High Voltage" by the Electric Six stuck in my head. With Jill and David as the lead characters. How can I get my brain back?

Madtown · January 1

22 hours ago, crazy8s said:

Timothy is learning the horrors Jill tells about some things are not so true. Heidi's parents certainly have like minded religious and political beliefs, but are not quite as fanatical on things like all women who wear pants are whores. Should Tim believe his future MIL is a whore because she got her picture taken in jeans?? I bet he does not because he hopefully sees her as a real person and not just how she dresses.

I instantly thought of Timothy's rant when I saw MIL to be in her jeans(which she looked great and good for her!). I truly hope he is learning more and more each day, what an evil woman his mother is.

I've been thinking about the lack of Jill interfering with their engagement and wedding plans. Would this maybe be "normal" in their land, when it's the son getting married? I wondered if they only get involved(and overbearing in Jill's case)when it is the daughter getting married.

I'm hoping it is more that Tim and Heidi(and her family)don't want Jill anywhere near them or their wedding plans. I also hope it is like this when they have their first child.

crazy8s · January 1

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Came back to add for the average person posting in a forum or on other SM, their less than grammatically correct posts may be due to laziness, distraction, 'text speak' or whatever.

My poor spelling here and in texting is a combination of laziness, lack of proof reading and that I am not always wearing my glasses. 😂 For the record I have to stop and think every damn time for correct spelling of tomorrow, though I have read, written and typed it a million times.

Jill seems to be trying to set up Kaylee as some sort of influencer in this old dying world, so the standard for her should be at least correct spelling on whatever biblical thing she is spouting as the highest standard for you live by and praising mama for raising her be so godly. I noted on Kaylee's list of things she was "thankful" for, a solid education was not among the things listed.

BetyBee · January 1

8 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

I noted on Kaylee's list of things she was "thankful" for, a solid education was not among the things listed.

That last line cracked me up! But then, when I thought about it, Kaylee probably does think that she has an excellent education, thanks to Mahmo. 🙄

GeeGolly · January 1

Heidi's mom in pants is nothing compared to Heidi's sister in this dress.

dargosmydaddy · January 1

I'm surprised Tim didn't spontaneously combust being forced to stand that close to such a blatant hussy...

crazy8s · January 1

1 hour ago, BetyBee said:

That last line cracked me up! But then, when I thought about it, Kaylee probably does think that she has an excellent education, thanks to Mahmo. 🙄

Right? It would be something like

May we be "thankful" we were taught at home by mama (who in all things glorifies god) and were not exposed to the evil, sinful public schools rather than saying we learned math, science, geography and met friends our own age.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

Just now, crazy8s said:

Right? It would be something like

May we be "thankful" we were taught at home by mama (who in all things glorifies god) and were not exposed to the evil, sinful public schools rather than saying we learned math, science, geography and met friends our own age.

Not enough commas. ✔️

Jynnan tonnix · January 1

2 hours ago, Madtown said:

I instantly thought of Timothy's rant when I saw MIL to be in her jeans(which she looked great and good for her!). I truly hope he is learning more and more each day, what an evil woman his mother is.

I've been thinking about the lack of Jill interfering with their engagement and wedding plans. Would this maybe be "normal" in their land, when it's the son getting married? I wondered if they only get involved(and overbearing in Jill's case)when it is the daughter getting married.

I'm hoping it is more that Tim and Heidi(and her family)don't want Jill anywhere near them or their wedding plans. I also hope it is like this when they have their first child.

It's probably true, just as in mainstream culture, that the bride's family tends to have greater input into the wedding plans, but even so, Jill's relative silence kind of makes me feel that she is being somewhat relegated to the back burner. Her natural way of dealing with pretty much everything as far as we have seen, is to take charge and wail long and loud about satanic influences when things are not aligned with her standards.

My thinking is that somehow, something has either been said outright, or that Jill has somehow managed to come to the unaided conclusion that her interference might jeopardize Tim's courtship. Which doesn't really add up, given everything we have learned about her thus far.

My other thought is that since there has got to be some simmering disapproval of Heidi's family on Mahmo's side, and given that Timmy is likely in the throes of feelings unlike any he has had to deal with thus far, it just might be possible that those feelings might lead him to be more accepting of whatever "fundie light" philosophies he might be picking up from the family of his beloved.

It may not add up to anything like clearer thinking, but it might be a step toward breaking loose of the Rod family cult.

Zella · January 1

5 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Jill's relative silence kind of makes me feel that she is being somewhat relegated to the back burner. Her natural way of dealing with pretty much everything as far as we have seen, is to take charge and wail long and loud about satanic influences when things are not aligned with her standards.

My thinking is that somehow, something has either been said outright, or that Jill has somehow managed to come to the unaided conclusion that her interference might jeopardize Tim's courtship. Which doesn't really add up, given everything we have learned about her thus far.

It wouldn't surprise me if she's furious he seems more in with that family now, and she's tried to sabotage it only to get ignored. If so, I can see her silently fuming while the hamster wheel in her head furiously spins and plots her next move.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

Well, Salvo One was fired with Kaylee's screed about what wonderful parents they have. I am sure Jill nudged her in some way to produce it.

Zella · January 1

1 minute ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Well, Salvo One was fired with Kaylee's screed about what wonderful parents they have. I am sure Jill nudged her in some way to produce it.

Yeah I'm sure she's rallying the troops, such as they are. I'm guessing the pressure just firmly pushes him in his future in-laws' arms.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

It certainly looks that way. I wonder if Tim is beginning to regret his incel rants on YouTube. Especially the ones about women's clothing.

oliviabenson · January 1

Kiki posted a photo of her kissing Jon on the lips. We don’t need to see it Kiki. We know you have lotion time.

Salacious Kitty · January 1

1 minute ago, oliviabenson said:

Kiki posted a photo of her kissing Jon on the lips. We don’t need to see it Kiki. We know you have lotion time.

Any idea what the drinks were? They looked gross.

GeeGolly · January 1

29 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

It certainly looks that way. I wonder if Tim is beginning to regret his incel rants on YouTube. Especially the ones about women's clothing.

If he does regret them he should take them down.

oliviabenson · January 1

It looks like mixed coffee with something and whipped milk or whipped cream??

I am guessing

22 minutes ago, Salacious Kitty said:

Any idea what the drinks were? They looked gross.

BradandJanet · January 1

1 hour ago, Zella said:

It wouldn't surprise me if she's furious he seems more in with that family now, and she's tried to sabotage it only to get ignored. If so, I can see her silently fuming while the hamster wheel in her head furiously spins and plots her next move.

I'm sure she is, and Jill is passive-aggressive in situations where her power isn't absolute. Ellen is in her precious Plexus downline, and Tim is publicly engaged and showing up looking happy and well-fed on social media. Jill has to try not to come off as too obvious.

The hamster wheel is pumping out suggestions:

She'll use poor (andKaylee) as her messenger to post backhanded criticisms. Ellen will ignore or deflect them. Kaylee's/Jill's messages will get longer and more riddled with commas until they are indecipherable.

She'll blow a lot of money going to Punta Cana and be unable to contribute anything to Tim's wedding except a new dress for herself.

She'll show up to the wedding with a brace or a big bandage and an elaborate story about a horse knocking her over her while she was carrying smiley tracts and freshly baked bread to her Amish neighbors.

She'll make sure her family are extra hungry the day of the wedding and encourage them to attack the catered buffet with gusto.

Zella · January 1

3 minutes ago, BradandJanet said:

She'll show up to the wedding with a brace or a big bandage and an elaborate story about a horse knocking her over her while she was carrying smiley tracts and freshly baked bread to her Amish neighbors.

This is cracking me up! 😂😂😂

realityfan26 · January 1

1 hour ago, oliviabenson said:

Kiki posted a photo of her kissing Jon on the lips. We don’t need to see it Kiki. We know you have lotion time.

Who is Kiki?

Salacious Kitty · January 2

13 minutes ago, realityfan26 said:

Who is Kiki?

Kaylee.

oliviabenson · January 2

28 minutes ago, realityfan26 said:

Who is Kiki?

I call Kaylee that

andromeda331 · January 2

I still wonder who put their foot down to Jill in regards to Tim. I don't see it being Tim. I think it was Heidi's mother who first started it and that gave Tim the confidence to do it himself. It's interesting though. Jill must be furious that one of her kids broke from her brainwash. She never thought that would happen. She managed to steamroll her two son-in-laws. As it should be in her mind. I still feel bad for Heidi. Jill was always going to treat her horrible since she should still be number 1 in Tim's life but this will make her even worse to Heidi.

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