Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[oliviabenson]

47 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

I’m wondering if the fall was in Ohio, or back home in West Virginia.

If it was Ohio, I’m curious where she was staying.

I’m thinking Ohio. Ma must have fallen after the wedding. Jill does like to post week or more after the events happen.

[Turquoise]

Perhaps Jill shouldn't have announced that it was her wish for her mom to walk down the aisle? She posted as if her dad said it, but we know Jillybean. I'm sure it was enough strain to travel for the wedding, they should have just pushed her down the aisle in her wheelchair.

Since when do parents sit at the head table (I know, I know, it's Jill...)?

[GeeGolly]

Wherever she was, Jill's mom fell when she woke up and attempted to walk alone to the bathroom. I'm going to go against the grain here a little and say I thinks its good she went to the wedding and don't think it had anything to do with her falling down.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Wherever she was, Jill's mom fell when she woke up and attempted to walk alone to the bathroom. I'm going to go against the grain here a little and say I thinks its good she went to the wedding and don't think it had anything to do with her falling down.

I'm glad she didn't fall at the wedding but if she is confused and not quite herself, she might think she can get up anytime and walk. It might have happened regardless however. 

[Absolom]

1 hour ago, BradandJanet said:

Was Ma's accident the result of overexerting herself at the wedding and the whole trip in general? A broken hip is a serious setback, and her brain doesn't need a concussion. 

This is super serious.  A very large percentage of seniors who break a hip die within 12 months of the event.

[Notabug]

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Wherever she was, Jill's mom fell when she woke up and attempted to walk alone to the bathroom. I'm going to go against the grain here a little and say I thinks its good she went to the wedding and don't think it had anything to do with her falling down.

It does make me wonder why a woman who needed two people's support to walk down a straight, flat church aisle in daytime was getting out of bed, perhaps in an unfamiliar room and going to the bathroom by herself just a couple days later.  I don't care how independent Mama wants to be, how stubborn she is; putting her in an unfamiliar setting at nighttime and expecting her to navigate by herself was probably more than she could handle.  And, if she was in the Barndo when it happened, we know she was expected to find her way amongst all sorts of random furniture covered with tchotchkes which ups the degree of difficulty considerably.  We've been told that Mama has cognitive issues and has been confused a lot; turning her loose in the middle of the night to try to find a bathroom on her own was a major mistake on the part of her caregivers.

Hip fracture surgery is a very big deal for the elderly and, for many, it is the end of being able to live independently.  About a quarter of people who suffer hip fractures are never independent again.  Mama was already having mobility problems, I expect, at best, she will fall into this category and spend the rest of her life in a wheel chair.  About 25% of people who break their hips are dead within a year, especially those with significant medical issues, like a recent stroke, prior to their fall.  About half of people will end up at their baseline level of function in a year.  Not likely for Jill's mom, IMO.  

The people at the greatest risk of bad outcomes are those who are ASA Class IV and above..  That is the anesthesia assessment tool for people undergoing surgery.  Class I are regular, healthy people.  Class II are people with mild problems like obesity, current smokers and pregnancy.  Class III are people with severe disease such as renal failure, uncontrolled diabetes or blood pressure.  Class IV are for those who have severe medical issues that are a threat to life like a recent stroke.  Class V are people who are at death's door and the surgery is their only chance of surviving like a ruptured aorta.  Class VI are brain dead patients undergoing surgery for organ donation.  Mama is Class IV.

Mama's broken hip is just about the worst thing that could've happened.

[libgirl2]

46 minutes ago, Notabug said:

It does make me wonder why a woman who needed two people's support to walk down a straight, flat church aisle in daytime was getting out of bed, perhaps in an unfamiliar room and going to the bathroom by herself just a couple days later.  I don't care how independent Mama wants to be, how stubborn she is; putting her in an unfamiliar setting at nighttime and expecting her to navigate by herself was probably more than she could handle.  And, if she was in the Barndo when it happened, we know she was expected to find her way amongst all sorts of random furniture covered with tchotchkes which ups the degree of difficulty considerably.  We've been told that Mama has cognitive issues and has been confused a lot; turning her loose in the middle of the night to try to find a bathroom on her own was a major mistake on the part of her caregivers.

Hip fracture surgery is a very big deal for the elderly and, for many, it is the end of being able to live independently.  About a quarter of people who suffer hip fractures are never independent again.  Mama was already having mobility problems, I expect, at best, she will fall into this category and spend the rest of her life in a wheel chair.  About 25% of people who break their hips are dead within a year, especially those with significant medical issues, like a recent stroke, prior to their fall.  About half of people will end up at their baseline level of function in a year.  Not likely for Jill's mom, IMO.  

The people at the greatest risk of bad outcomes are those who are ASA Class IV and above..  That is the anesthesia assessment tool for people undergoing surgery.  Class I are regular, healthy people.  Class II are people with mild problems like obesity, current smokers and pregnancy.  Class III are people with severe disease such as renal failure, uncontrolled diabetes or blood pressure.  Class IV are for those who have severe medical issues that are a threat to life like a recent stroke.  Class V are people who are at death's door and the surgery is their only chance of surviving like a ruptured aorta.  Class VI are brain dead patients undergoing surgery for organ donation.  Mama is Class IV.

Mama's broken hip is just about the worst thing that could've happened.

Was she at her own home? 

[Notabug]

1 minute ago, libgirl2 said:

Was she at her own home? 

We don't know, Jill didn't say.  Speculation is that she was still in Ohio.  

[CalicoKitty]

Speaking from experience, you can instruct, remind, and cajole and beg  elderly patients over and over and over to call for help to get out of bed, and they still try anyway.  Especially someone who has had a stroke or other memory issues.  My dad fell so many times that the nursing home finally lowered the bed down to the floor.  That way he would just roll onto a mat on the floor rather than falling.  Getting up by herself contributed to my mother's death.  She fell and hit her head (hard) and died the following week.  She couldn't remember to pull the call cord.  Jill's Ma probably doesn't have the ability to remember instructions.  My question is, why was she alone at night?  If she was not at her own home, she should not been alone without help.  I'm amazed that no one in her family realized that she was not able to be "obedient" and follow directions.  Or did they just put her in strange surroundings and expect her to get herself to the bathroom?  Falls happen, but with so many family members around her, why was no one there to help her?  (Or was someone there and she fell while being "helped"?  That can also happen).

I asked why the nursing home did not put the side rails up on my dad's bed, and was told that (in California, at least) side rails constitute "restraint", and --get this--"a patient has the right to fall".  He could have only one half-rail up at a time.  Go figure.

[Notabug]

23 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

Speaking from experience, you can instruct, remind, and cajole and beg  elderly patients over and over and over to call for help to get out of bed, and they still try anyway.  Especially someone who has had a stroke or other memory issues.  My dad fell so many times that the nursing home finally lowered the bed down to the floor.  That way he would just roll onto a mat on the floor rather than falling.  Getting up by herself contributed to my mother's death.  She fell and hit her head (hard) and died the following week.  She couldn't remember to pull the call cord.  Jill's Ma probably doesn't have the ability to remember instructions.  My question is, why was she alone at night?  If she was not at her own home, she should not been alone without help.  I'm amazed that no one in her family realized that she was not able to be "obedient" and follow directions.  Or did they just put her in strange surroundings and expect her to get herself to the bathroom?  Falls happen, but with so many family members around her, why was no one there to help her?  (Or was someone there and she fell while being "helped"?  That can also happen).

I asked why the nursing home did not put the side rails up on my dad's bed, and was told that (in California, at least) side rails constitute "restraint", and --get this--"a patient has the right to fall".  He could have only one half-rail up at a time.  Go figure.

Even at home, based on Jill telling us about her mother's ongoing cognitive problems, she probably should not be getting up at night by herself.  A darkened room, especially if she's still groggy from waking up, is a set up for an accident.

If they were at Jill's, I imagine there were throw rugs all over the place which are a big no-no for someone with decreased mobility.

If nothing else, there are monitors and alarms that can be used to warn others when someone gets out of bed unassisted.  Even a baby monitor can be helpful in a pinch.

I had a friend whose 80 something mother died after a fall while in the ER.  She'd taken a fall at home getting out of the tub. the assisted living place called EMS and she was transported to the hospital where she was found to be bruised and battered.   While she was there, a major winter storm kicked up and her apartment building lost power.  The residents were evacuated to a local hotel or something.  When the ER contacted the assisted living to come and pick her up, no one was available due to the situation and the storm which made the roads hazardous.  My friend, who lived several hundred miles away, was also notified but obviously couldn't get there for some time.  The ER reluctantly agreed to keep her overnight and put her in a hallway on a gurney, with no call light, rails down so she could go to the public bathroom down the hall as needed.   My friend begged them to give her a room but none were available and Medicare had rules against putting outpatients into inpatient hospital rooms.

At some point during the night, her mother apparently got up to use the restroom, slipped and fell, hitting her head on the gurney.  She was declared brain dead soon after.   Bad stuff can happen very quickly.

Edited November 17, 2022 by Notabug

[Absolom]

3 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

I asked why the nursing home did not put the side rails up on my dad's bed, and was told that (in California, at least) side rails constitute "restraint", and --get this--"a patient has the right to fall".  He could have only one half-rail up at a time.  Go figure.

Your whole post described my life for the last few years.  My step-dad also had the bed lowered and the pads beside the bed.  California isn't the only state that won't allow bedrails except under limited conditions.  My mom had "the fall" recently and basically I'm now waiting for her to die.  Sometimes despite all efforts they manage to "escape" and fall.  My mom got around the bed rails we got permission to have and she hasn't comprehended the bell pull in five years or more.   I had all kinds of safety measures when mom was still able to live with me.  The facility did the best they could.  She was just determined to do what she wanted to do and the dementia too far progressed for any rational thought.

I've seen no signs that Jill especially or even the rest of the family had a clue what ma's condition really was and what they needed to do for her to be as healthy as possible.  Dragging her to the wedding was bad enough, but if they'd kept her in the wheelchair and made accommodations for the mental and physical issues, this could likely have been avoided.  They should have had portable door alarms and night lights.  She should have been sleeping with a safe, unobstructed path to the bathroom.  A very useful thing to put in their room is a motion detector night light.  Usually when it goes on it can wake the caregiver in time to make sure the person is able to be escorted to the bathroom.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Absolom

[oliviabenson]

With 34 grandchildren there were plenty of them to take turns sleeping near to granny to help her.

Definitely agree dragging her to a wedding was a bad idea.

Edited November 16, 2022 by oliviabenson

[sagittarius sue]

Duplicate info posted while I was working on this.

Edited November 16, 2022 by sagittarius sue

[jacourt]

The timeline seems wonky.  The wedding was lst week.  Mom fell days after.  Then has surgery and in in hospital for a few days.  Shes home already?

[Notabug]

7 minutes ago, sagittarius sue said:

In hospitals an alarm can be set to go off if a patient gets out of a bed.

You can get those to use at home, too.  There are also alarms that can be attached to the patient. 

Another safety measure is to have the person use a bedside commode at night rather than trying to have them looking for the bathroom in unfamiliar surroundings.

One thing about hospital beds with rails:  patients who are cognitively impaired are more likely to be injured trying to get out of a bed with the rails up than down.  As a matter of fact, more patient falls occur in the setting of a bed with the rails up than down.   Putting the rails up is not a deterrent for most people and falling out over the rail is more likely to result in serious injury.

Bedrails are legally considered to be a restraint if they cannot be easily and voluntarily released by the patient which is why they aren't used in the setting of cognitive impairment in many cases.

Edited November 16, 2022 by Notabug

[sagittarius sue]

1 minute ago, Notabug said:

Another safety measure is to have the person use a bedside commode at night rather than trying to have them looking for the bathroom in unfamiliar surroundings.

I was also thinking that they ought to have a commode.  They worked out well for me when in the hospital, and having to move my "attachments" with me if I used the bathroom.

[crazy8s]

9 minutes ago, jacourt said:

The timeline seems wonky.  The wedding was lst week.  Mom fell days after.  Then has surgery and in in hospital for a few days.  Shes home already?

not only home, but home and it is painful to walk.... ??

Jill's aunt and uncle from NY picked up ma and pa in WV and took them to the wedding. The aunt has fb posting about the wonderful week they spent together. No mention of of Pat and a broken hip. Just how well she was doing and the miraculousness of her progress to that point.

[libgirl2]

My dad was constantly getting up and falling. He had brain cancer and his mind was not healthy anymore. I would ask him why he got up and he said he didn't know. The one thing is he always would say he had to go to the bathroom and try to get up, even with a call button. He wouldn't use it.  They ended up putting a pad next to his bed and had him wear  protective headgear.  Every time he fell, they had to send him to the ER. 

My mom's nursing home (and where he also ended up at) had bed alarms as well. 

It is possible that Jill's mother is at the point where she isn't even sure why she is getting up.  

Edited November 16, 2022 by libgirl2

[Turquoise]

I understand Pat wanting to be at the wedding. I'm a grandmother too. Mine are all small and it'll be years before there are any weddings, but I want to be there. The difference is my family would push me in the wheelchair and celebrate I was able to make it, rather than insisting I walk down the aisle (with a lot of assistance) as proof of a miracle. Maybe it didn't contribute to her fall, but it certainly couldn't have helped with her healing. 

[Salacious Kitty]

I wonder how well Pat was progressing with her walking in the first place. Remember, she was recovering from double knee replacement when she had her stroke. I don't think she was very mobile at the outset.

[lookeyloo]

Agree that sometimes one just can't make someone do what they don't want to.  Father in law finally is in assisted living near his daughter.  He fell a bunch of times in his house.  He had someone every weekday.  He has plenty of money.  We all wanted him to get more help. He is of sound mind but not sound body.  He absolutely refused.  After the last fall the daughter (Mr lookeyloo's sister.  we really like her) stayed with him in his house for 6 months, working from his house, her husband a days ride away, monitoring him. He was resistant and so stubborn.  Finally after many visits by Mr lookeyloo, their brother, a favorite niece and nephew, etc he agreed to move.  He had to stay at the daughter's house a few days before his apartment was ready. At the sister's house she made a place for him to sleep with no stairs and a bathroom close by. And a walker.  He absolutely refused and said he would sleep upstairs.  She is as stubborn as he is and there was a battle.  She made him a room upstairs and said you can't go up and down unless we are with you.  Okay he said, until one evening she said I am turning out the kitchen light and then we will help you upstairs and the next thing she knew he had slid down the stairs and luckily this time only broke a finger.  These old people can be of sound mind and keep their stubborn qualities.  This not out of the ordinary for him at all.  It might be said that he isn't of sound mind at all, but, for those of us who know him, this is normal behavior.

[BradandJanet]

49 minutes ago, jacourt said:

The timeline seems wonky.  The wedding was lst week.  Mom fell days after.  Then has surgery and in in hospital for a few days.  Shes home already?

It's a pretty quick turnaround. I assume Ma's accident happened in WV very soon after she returned home from the wedding. Jill, of course, posted a photo of Ma in the hospital with a black eye, so Jill must have traveled to WV with her or soon after. Was she discharged to her home or a rehab center? I can't imagine a hospital would want to send her back home right away, but the patient has the final word. 

I'm sure Pat wanted to attend the wedding, but I wonder if anyone checked with her doctor about the advisability of the trip. It seems just about every time Ma is around the Rod family commotion, she has a setback. 

[ChristmasCandy]

5 hours ago, Turquoise said:

Since when do parents sit at the head table (I know, I know, it's Jill...)?

Off topic but not off topic but when my sister got married my parents were sitting at the head table.

[oliviabenson]

I bet Jill is in FL on vacation and awaiting Keller baby numero dos.

[Heathen]

12 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I bet Jill is in FL on vacation and awaiting Keller baby numero dos.

When is the latest Keller spawn supposed to arrive? I agree Jill is in Floriduh spending Nathan's money (and Kaylee's wedding gift money) and waiting for Nebuchadnezzar David to arrive.

[MaryAnneSpier]

I went to Tim's youtube channel, and he has comments disabled 😂 Guess
Timmy-boy can't handle any criticism.

And Jill made a video a couple weeks ago called "Kaylee (and Jonathan's) Bridal Shower." Is Jill trolling the haters? 

[Ljohnson1987]

1 minute ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I went to Tim's youtube channel, and he has comments disabled 😂 Guess
Timmy-boy can't handle any criticism.

And Jill made a video a couple weeks ago called "Kaylee (and Jonathan's) Bridal Shower." Is Jill trolling the haters? 

I feel like Jill is a professional troll. 

[Absolom]

51 minutes ago, ChristmasCandy said:

Off topic but not off topic but when my sister got married my parents were sitting at the head table.

Jill must always be at the head table.  Jill can't do very much normally without horning in on the bride's moment.  I keep hoping one of the brides will trip her as she tries to walk down the aisle. 

Most of my kids had a table for two.  I was off with the parents of the groom except for one wedding where I was with the grooms and the best man (for both) who was all of four.  Yes grandma was there to wrangle the kid.  

[sagittarius sue]

39 minutes ago, MaryAnneSpier said:

I went to Tim's youtube channel, and he has comments disabled 😂 Guess
Timmy-boy can't handle any criticism.

He learned that from Mahmo.

[farmgal4]

7 hours ago, Kiki620 said:

I would say that had to be a contributing factor, for sure.  They need to let this poor woman have some rest, peace and quiet in order to appropriately heal as best as she can.  Instead, they are constantly bombarding her with "visits" and dragging her around to public events.  What a bunch of idiotic morons.

But Ma and Pa raised this beast and it was their parenting decisions that lead to some of this circus so they are not entirely blameless (not that Ma deserves any of this).  

The focus of Kaylee's crown is of course how crooked it is, but the fact that it's smooshing down her bangs so she has to look up from under her hair may be driving me even more nuts!

I think that Kaylee has a beautiful face with good bone structure.  She would’ve looked gorgeous with an updo on her wedding day.

[ozziemom]

12 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

Was Ma's accident the result of overexerting herself at the wedding and the whole trip in general? A broken hip is a serious setback, and her brain doesn't need a concussion. 

JillR made a big deal about her walking down the aisle at the wedding. Like anyone would be offended if Ma was just wheeled to her seat. I don’t think any of the family grasps what Ma is going through and that she’s never going to be the way they remember her. She has a new reality and they need to adjust their expectations. Some days will be better than others. This new setback isn’t going to help her mobility issues.

[beckie]

2 hours ago, ozziemom said:

JillR made a big deal about her walking down the aisle at the wedding. Like anyone would be offended if Ma was just wheeled to her seat. I don’t think any of the family grasps what Ma is going through and that she’s never going to be the way they remember her. She has a new reality and they need to adjust their expectations. Some days will be better than others. This new setback isn’t going to help her mobility issues.

They think because they worship the "right" God, that he's going to do what they want, and fully restore her mother to where she used to be. Not getting that it doesn't work that way. 

Edited November 17, 2022 by beckie

[ginger90]

[merylinkid]

16 hours ago, BradandJanet said:

It seems just about every time Ma is around the Rod family commotion, she has a setback. 

Amazing isn't it.

10 hours ago, ozziemom said:

JillR made a big deal about her walking down the aisle at the wedding. Like anyone would be offended if Ma was just wheeled to her seat.

THIS.    she was there.   That was enough.   But noooo, she has to be forced out of her wheelchair and walked down the aisle.   

Who knows if she was trying to go to the bathroom or just escape from the insanity that is Jill and her circus.   

My uncle who had dementia fell and broke his hip.    Two weeks later, he was gone.   Broken hips are serious on old folks.   Strokes are serious for old folks.   But Jill just blunders on ignoring this because it interferes with HER idea of how things should be.  

[GeeGolly]

I hate to defend JillR because, well, she is typically undefendable. But Ma Noyes has a husband, 3 other daughters and inlaws that are caring for her, so I'm not sure this one can be put on Jill.

Hopefully Pat will recover from this latest setback. I hope the family members who are caring for her know what they're doing and are following the doctor's orders.

[ozziemom]

59 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I hate to defend JillR because, well, she is typically undefendable. But Ma Noyes has a husband, 3 other daughters and inlaws that are caring for her, so I'm not sure this one can be put on Jill.

Hopefully Pat will recover from this latest setback. I hope the family members who are caring for her know what they're doing and are following the doctor's orders.

I’m always wondering if JillR’s family caves to her wishes since she is so pushy and vocal about what she thinks is right or what Pat would want. Path of least resistance type thing. And she knows what is most godly etc etc.

[Triple P]

3 minutes ago, ozziemom said:

I’m always wondering if JillR’s family caves to her wishes since she is so pushy and vocal about what she thinks is right or what Pat would want. Path of least resistance type thing. And she knows what is most godly etc etc.

I think this is exactly what happens. A member of my extended family behaves a lot like Jill and very few people stand up to her directly. People will purposely plan around her, like never tell her plans until after the fact, but never tell her no. 

I think Jill's family plans around her too since Jill has openly expressed jealousy on Amy's Facebook page when Amy has posted about getting together with Angie without Jill. I'm guessing no one wanted to go against Jill's wish to have Pat walk down the aisle since the wedding was Jill's event (even though it wasn't about Jill!).

[merylinkid]

1 hour ago, ozziemom said:

I’m always wondering if JillR’s family caves to her wishes since she is so pushy and vocal about what she thinks is right or what Pat would want. Path of least resistance type thing. And she knows what is most godly etc etc.

Or they are all just as bad as she is.    Remember JillR was homeschooled and raised fundy.    Her family may be on the "the right Jeebus will fix Ma if we just wish away her problems" train with Jill.  

[Notabug]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I hate to defend JillR because, well, she is typically undefendable. But Ma Noyes has a husband, 3 other daughters and inlaws that are caring for her, so I'm not sure this one can be put on Jill.

Hopefully Pat will recover from this latest setback. I hope the family members who are caring for her know what they're doing and are following the doctor's orders.

I figure Jill got it from somewhere and I would not be surprised if the entire bunch of them have unrealistic expectations for Mama's recovery and aren't all pushing her to do more than is necessary or safe if only so they can praise God for his goodness in healing Mama while others are left struggling.

I think pushing her mother to at least pretend she is doing better than anyone else and it is because of their superior faith in the right Jesus is probably a family theme.  Jill is the loudest, but they probably all are on board with the idea.

[oliviabenson]

So jillpm is advertising selling pink poison. Who cares about ma? And she earned $100 bonus. Big whoop.

[oliviabenson]

Like they have a choice. Divorce isn’t allowed…

Well at least for a year she can sleep soundly/uninterrupted…. I bet she had been on baby duty for years for mommy and daddy.

Edited November 17, 2022 by oliviabenson

[libgirl2]

15 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

So jillpm is advertising selling pink poison. Who cares about ma? And she earned $100 bonus. Big whoop.

A friend of mine on FB who sells the stuff posted similar except he made a bonus of $200. 

[SMama]

25 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

A friend of mine on FB who sells the stuff posted similar except he made a bonus of $200. 

How much did she spend to “earn” $100? If she got off her sanctimonious ass and worked even part time she would earn much more.

[Teriacky]

To be successful at sales you need to be liked by the customer. Therein lies Jill’s problem. 

[libgirl2]

7 minutes ago, SMama said:

How much did she spend to “earn” $100? If she got off her sanctimonious ass and worked even part time she would earn much more.

My friend is a really nice guy. I mentioned him before. He would make Jill's head spin as he is gay and has a partner of 20+ years. So, while I do not like Plexxus, I'm glad he made more money then her! 

[merylinkid]

Woohoo $100 that's enough for a meal at the Nice Olive Garden.   Well a meal for two, not the kids of course.

I do NOT want to see pictures of Kaylee's honeymoon.   Ewwwwwwwww.

[libgirl2]

Just now, Teriacky said:

To be successful at sales you need to be liked by the customer. Therein lies Jill’s problem. 

My friend who sells it is an absolute doll! I can see him retaining customers and downlines. 

[crazy8s]

42 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

Woohoo $100 that's enough for a meal at the Nice Olive Garden.  

Jill has an old post about them stopping for gas for the RV and her pulling out a $100 bill to brag, impress hunk and pay for the gas from her earnings. Can't remember what year, but $100 was most likely never enough to fill the RV.

In more recent times, $100 just covers David's ticket for driving without a seat belt. I think he had to pay $96. But that was probably paid from the last $100 "bonus". Ticket in was late Sept. this year.

[Salacious Kitty]

I can't remember, so hopefully someone else does. Two things regarding the Rods' lack of precautions when driving. I think one of Timbits'tickets was for driving without a seatbelt. And in Nurthan's accident, they were served up an extra ticket for not properly restraining Nemo. Were they also not wearing seatbelts? 

Edited November 17, 2022 by Salacious Kitty

[crazy8s]

the $100 for gas post was Jill trying to recruit for plexus Aug. 2017.

"I am continuing on strong in my Plexus business!  I hope you take a moment to read my testimony below of how that is going.

*** I (with a passion) am looking for 3 (or more) stay at home Moms that have always wanted a successful business from home! Ladies, I am a cosmetologist and have done hair from home for years. However, this new business endeavor of mine has far surpassed my success as a hairstylist!

It makes me feel good knowing I am home, cleaning, cooking, taking care of my babies, homeschooling, etc……..YET, still running a successful business from home. Does it take work, yes…but the rewards FAR outweigh the work involved.

It blesses my heart to be a blessing to my husband. For nearly 20 years now, my husband has worked his tail off so I could stay home. Was it easy? Never! But he’d work 2 jobs…..or whatever it took, to keep me home to raise up a godly generation for Christ. <3

All that to say, it feels good to me to give back a little! “We need gas? Yeah! I just got paid! Here is $100 for gas, Babe!” He then looks at me with admiration on his face. “If ANYONE can be successful at this business, it’s YOU, Babe,” he glowingly responds to me.

My goal is to be that Proverbs 31 woman. If you read that chapter, it speaks of her hard work ethic and diligence within the home. She was not a couch potato Mama that watched the junk tube (TV) all day. She rose and worked willingly with her hands! <3

Now ladies, what is your passion? Do you want to bless your husband and children and HELP towards the financial success of your home? This is SOOO doable and I would coach and help you every step of the way. Honestly, this is one of the MOST BRILLIANT ways to earn money!

This is NOT a scam – or I would tell you! LOL. This is the REAL deal! A business endeavor that could change your lives!

PLEASE, ladies, wait NO longer! I KNOW trying new things can be scary! I remember being in your SAME shoes a year ago. But now……well, it is one of the BEST decisions I have ever made! Let us link arms together and be that Proverbs 31 woman TOGETHER! <3"

Edited November 17, 2022 by crazy8s