S05.E16: Amster-Damn

[talula]

Yeah, I think Yo should butt out too, but imo, Eileen stepped way out of bounds because she hadn't known the sisters more than a minute. She, possibly with the help of production planned that luncheon and she knew it was a mistake almost immediately. I think she saw the writing on the wall but LisaR kept making her feel like it was their moral obligation to get to the bottom of Kim.

I found the lunch awkward especially when Eileen advised Kim to end her friendship with Brandi. I agree she didn't know the sisters so it seemed contrived and producer driven. Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[Umbelina]

Yes, Lipsa DID bring up Kim's sobriety again at the dinner.  Something like (long story about death from drugs/booze scared me so much that's why I inserted myself into your business) "I'm sorry if I ever got into your business." with the long soulful looks.  It was a total set up, very easy to spot, and Lisa V said in her blog that she didn't want to do it.  So, "apology" couched in bringing it all up again, less than a day after she promised to NOT bring it up again.

 

Of course it wasn't a real intervention, no one there was a qualified therapist.  It was a bullshit intervention about substance abuse.  Did producers prompt it?  Probably.  Did Yo knowingly agree to start it off with the Bella thing?  I'm guessing yes.  Did Brandi know?  That's my only question.  She certainly seemed to want a "group intervention" earlier in the season, but did she know it would happen at that dinner?  50/50 on that one, but I'm kinda sorta leaning a bit toward "yes, she knew."

 

Do I think Lipsa was really concerned about Kim?  No.  I think she wants this gig, and is doing what it takes to keep it.

 

Yo then tries to defend Lipsa by bringing up Harry's sobriety, and Kim leaps on that.  "Yeah, let's talk about the husband."

 

Why yes, the replay is on right now.  ;)

 

ETA

On the Yo and Eileen "but you are sisters, can't you drop the petty bullshit and focus on love?"

 

I really get where both of them were coming from.  I think Yo's lyme brain, and after all, when she spoke to Kyle she wasn't even getting out of bed, so obviously she was not at her best.  I think she misspoke, but her intent was about family, and I get it.  Eileen just lost 2 sisters, and apparently a niece, so it's very close to her right now as well.  Resolve things, because there could be a day, and it may come sooner than you think, when you will no longer have that chance.  I think both women were coming from a good place.

 

Not so much about the addiction issues, but about all the petty shit Kyle and Kim bicker about, "you didn't have my back!"  no "YOU didn't have MY back!" 

Edited March 8, 2015 by Umbelina

[jkitty]

After watching the restaurant scene for the third time, I think it is the most fake thing I have seen on "reality" TV in a very long time.  An "explosive" scene was obviously planned from the get-go, with the consent of restaurant management.  First, there are only 3 or 4 people in the restaurant (probably all crew members).  Second, the most reaction any of these "patrons" show to seven women screaming, threatening violence and breaking dish ware is that one woman turns around.  It's bizarre.  If that happened in actual reality some or all of the following things would happen: (1) management would come over to the table when the yelling began and ask the "ladies" to please be quiet and respect the other guests; (2) the other guests would be whispering, pointing, or generally looking appalled at the obscene behavior of these "ladies;" (3) management would certainly come over when people were standing up, screaming, and breaking glasses to ask them to leave, to clean up, and to offer some accommodation to the other patrons; and/or (4) other patrons would stand up, move away from the chaos, look horrified, or leave to go get a manager when Lisa broke the glass.  

 

I have no more fucks to give about this mess.  I liked the first half of the season a lot.  This second half, centered on Kim's bullshit "recovery" and her abusive relationship with her sister is about as much fun as gonohrrea.  Thanks, but no thanks.  

[Umbelina]

I wish someone would transcribe that Lipsa and Kim meeting alone in the hotel room.  Who is our transcriber?  Ha.

 

I don't think I heard apologies from either of them, certainly not from Lipsa about throwing the wine/water and then the glass. 

[zoeysmom]

HH weighs in on the episode.  I question whether or not his wife brought class to the show.  She brought something. . . maybe a former "Sexiest Man Alive", no one has had one of those as a husband before.  http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/harry-hamlin-kim-richards-rhobh-accusations-lisa-rinna-201583

[thesupremediva1]

Upon rewatching, it's crystal clear that Kim went into the luncheon ready to pounce. She had her bitch face on and was just dying to unleash on someone, anyone, and it was just coming down to who said the wrong thing first.

Once she started she couldn't stop. The insults came out rapid fire against everyone. I'm sure she would have moved on to Yo and Lisa V. had she not tipped Rinna's crazy switch. She's a venom cannon. And she was keen to hurt people in any way she could. She must be very miserable in the inside to lash out with such fury.

Also, Kyle has a martyr complex of the highest order. She needs to cut her toxic sister off and let Kim and Vacant Parasite bleed each other dry. Kyle isn't even speaking to Kim but she's still got every synapse in her brain working on Kim, Kim's issues, and how to navigate them. I don't know how she isn't in a padded cell after a lifetime of walking on eggshells.

I think Kyle and the other ladies were making a big effort to enjoy the hash house, even though they were acting a bit over the top. Too bad Vacant Parasite reacts so poorly when joy blossoms around her. She's a dementor from the Harry Potter world. She just lives to suck the energy and happiness out of a room.

She's so dumb she doesn't even realize that she pissed off the last person who would deign to interact with her. Kyle was the only person willing to engage with her on any level. Even Yo is ignoring her and embarrassed by her sorry ass. On some level I still pity Kim because of her obvious addiction and mental deficiencies, but

VP has no such disability or disadvantage.

Edited March 8, 2015 by thesupremediva1

[JennyMominFL]

The comments of the Hws to Kim/Kyle right after the glass smashing/ potential choke of Kim by Lisar  were very  interesting to me.

It shed some light on the differences in the upbringing/personalities/character of the women. Not sure if it has anything to do with being brought up in U.S. Vs Europe,  but fascinating none the same.

Lisar/Eileen to Kyle:

Lisar: “dont put up with it”

Eileen: (shaking her head).....”I dont know how you do it, Kyle......... it's hard to watch how she treats you.”

Lisar:”it is”

Eileen voiceover: “I feel so sad for Kyle..... Kim treats Kyle in a demeaning way”

Lisar : “Kyle, its abusive and you (should/need to) walk away from it. You are being abused by kim”

Eileen, with tears in her eyes:”the cruelty.....its so cruel”

In contrast, Yo to Kim back at the hotel: “you will always be sisters, look out for each other, and you should, because you are family”...... 

 

 

In similar circumstances my response would be similar to Yo's. I would never even think of asking a friend to walk away from her sibling or say anything that would appear to be putting a wedge between blood sisters.

I was brought up to stay with/stand by family........ whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show. You could come home and beat each other up, yell-fight-kill each other, but you never fight with family in front of the rest of the world. The world must know it cannot divide my family.  

 

 

And that's exactly how I have brought up my own children. I did not grow up in the U.S. But all my children were born and brought up in the States. I would not be exaggerating an iota when I say this..... my children have NEVER had a fight with each other. They are 2.5,  1.5,  4  and 1 years apart. I cannot remember a single instance when I have had to play referee between them as children. They are all highly successful, productive adults now, and remain very close to each other to this day. In fact, they all live within an hour from each other in New York.

 

It is very difficult for me to understand  when I see these women tell Kyle to distance herself from Kim. And  Kyle not standing up for Kim(however appalling she may be) in the restaurant. Kyle had the right to beat Kim to a pulp once they were alone, but in that restaurant she needed to stand by Kim. What Kim was saying about kyle was wrong, totally. But two wrongs don't make a right either. The only reason I hold kyle to a higher standard is because she is supposed to be wiser/saner of the two.

 

Which is why I also understand Yo's comment to Kyle about "God has a job for each one of us"........

 

 

If, God forbid, Lisar or Eileen were in Kim's shoes, would they have liked being abandoned by their sister in front of her “friends” or co-workers? I don't think so.   Long Post. Sorry. 

I get your point, and I have talked about this in other threads. I have addicts in my family. I have dealt with professionals who help addicts. Much of what they say helps as an addict, seems to go against natural instinct.  They were absolutely, and I mean ABOLUTELY, clear that the way to save my nieces life, was to back away,  let go,  stop enabling, stop helping, stop covering for her, stop every single thing that made it easier for her to be an addict. That even meant detaching. Her own mother was told that everything she was doing to "help" was wrong. The only thing that would save my niece was to leave her alone and let her screw up. Others in this group of 12 had families who would not let go. They felt like they could help. They could financially help, they could give their child a safe place to stay, they could give them unending support . They could "fix" them.   They couldn't. One of them went against the professional's advice ,and brought their son home to "take care " of him. He died of a heroin overdose in his bedroom. His father found him.

   My niece, well, we detached. We did what the professionals said to do. We let her lose her car. We stopped all financial support. We dropped all contact with her ,as this was what was advised in her case.  They helped her. She went to a halfway house. She now has 20 months sober and off drugs. She lives on her own. She works at the drug rehab that helped her.  The professionals were right. Our instinct to help, to cover for her, to protect her,  was wrong. It could have killed her, just liked I watch it kill 2 out of the 12 from her group. It's a tough road, but sometimes it is the only chance the addict has

Edited March 8, 2015 by JennyMominFL

[AnnA]

This episode is airing right now on Bravo and I just noticed something I missed last week. When the group met in the hotel lobby before going to eat the infamous Space Cakes, Kyle was surprised that Kim wasn't joining them. [Hello Kyle...... Have you met Kim? She has a problem with drugs and alcohol]. As if that wasn't absurd enough, in Kyle's TH, she proceeds to turn that around to be all about her and says something like "it's better for me since we aren't getting along." Seriously Kyle? Why must you make everything about you?

[SwordQueen]

Another thing I know, is why they needed to bring so much luggage.  I don't think I've seen any of them wear the same pair of shoes or sunglasses, twice!  And I haven't even been paying attention to the purses.  Although I liked Rinna's backpack on the bike ride.

 

Heh, I am sooo guilty of this.  I can over pack with the best of 'em.  My stuff and I have separation anxiety issues, OKAY?!  We're seeing someone about it.  ; ) 

 

And I like to have options.  And plenty of shoes.  And toiletries and hair appliances and, well, you get the idea.  lol 

 

For my own greedy fashion-porn needs, I'm glad they over pack.  I also like seeing these women dragging their luggage around with them because it's always comedy gold. 

 

 

In hindsight, the correct response for Kyle could have been so simple. When Kim asked, "Why aren't you defending me?" Kyle should have said, "I didn't hear her say anything." If that didn't work, there's always the evergreen, "I don't remember anything!" Those two phrases have worked like a charm for Kim. As a last resort, perhaps she could have added something about moving, packing and unpacking.

 

This is brilliant.  I would have died, DIED, if Kyle had said that to Kim.  Kyle isn't as quick witted as all that, though.  We need to send her some of these retorts, so she can work them into next season's scenes. 

 

 

  And yea, I loved that he defended Mauricio over the cheating allegations. He said "he is my friend and I believe him". p. 

 

This made me so mushy inside.  Bromances are the best.  I'm glad Ken and Mauricio are able to put that crap behind them.  I love those two couples as friends and would love it if they showed us couples dinners and outings with the four of them. 

 

Yes, Lipsa DID bring up Kim's sobriety again at the dinner.  Something like (long story about death from drugs/booze scared me so much that's why I inserted myself into your business) "I'm sorry if I ever got into your business." with the long soulful looks.  It was a total set up, very easy to spot, and Lisa V said in her blog that she didn't want to do it.  So, "apology" couched in bringing it all up again, less than a day after she promised to NOT bring it up again.

 

 

It was actually something like "My sister died from drug and alcohol poisoning when she was 21.  I was 7 (at the time) and never processed her death and dealt with my feelings".  The fact that Mrs. 100% Pain couldn't even scrounge up a shred of sympathy says a lot about her.  She wasn't even listening and didn't give a fuck.  Why should anyone else, including Lisa, give a fuck about what Kim wants?  Kim doesn't hold the trademark to "addiction" nor "100% pain".  Other people can be in percentages of pain for their own experiences with addiction and they can share that whenever they want.  If Kim didn't want to listen she could have gotten up and left the table, like people say the other HW should have done.  But leaving would have defeated Kim's purpose for being there.  She was checking her phone and waiting for just the right time to go off.   

 

I wish Lisa hadn't looked at her and apologized.  I wish Lisa had looked at her and told her to fuck off, like she should have done on the plane when Kim was glaring at her.  I hope Kim is made to eat crow at the reunion when she has to deal with the fact that she was wrong about Lisa, and BFF Brandi was the one feeding everyone bullshit about her and feeding bullshit about everyone else, to Kim.  The only reason I'm looking forward to the reunion is to see Brandi get called out on that.  lol

Edited March 8, 2015 by SwordQueen

[WireWrap]

Yeah, I think Yo should butt out too, but imo, Eileen stepped way out of bounds because she hadn't known the sisters more than a minute.  She, possibly with the help of production planned that luncheon and she knew it was a mistake almost immediately.  I think she saw the writing on the wall but LisaR kept making her feel like it was their moral obligation to get to the bottom of Kim.

 

 

Me.  I've seen her in full-on bitch mode on a reality show.  She's also the big sister of and mother of some of the pointiest, loudest, nastiest, hit below the beltist (??LOL) confrontational fame whores that ever whored. So even if I hadn't seen her in action, I'd surmise she was much of the same. 

 

The example you posted from that article tells me she's not only loud and stupid, but she's got big balls.  Who laughs at a prosecutor and asks a judge for his autograph when your daughter's fate in in their hands?  Sounds exactly like something Kim would do if it was one of her kids up there, complete with Tourette's finger. (thank you whoever came up with that.)  I think Kim and Kathy are two birds of a feather. And as far as Kathy never taking Eileen or Lisa on?  Probably something we'll never know but certainly something neither one of can know for sure.  But I know Kathy isn't the nice sister.

 

Funny visual just came into my head.  If there was a cage match, I can totally see Rinna jumping into the ring with Kathy.  Because she's got that inner gangster.  But I just don't see Eileen doing it.  Call it class, call it fear...I don't know.  When I think about it, I guess that's why I think that if Kathy would have been at dinner, and Kathy was sticking up for Kim, Eileen would have stayed quiet. 

Eileen has seen far more this season concerning the sisters toxic relationship than Yolanda who was missing more than ever before this season. IMO, Kyle needs to walk away from Kim, not only for her own self preservation/sanity but for Kim's as well.

After watching the restaurant scene for the third time, I think it is the most fake thing I have seen on "reality" TV in a very long time.  An "explosive" scene was obviously planned from the get-go, with the consent of restaurant management.  First, there are only 3 or 4 people in the restaurant (probably all crew members).  Second, the most reaction any of these "patrons" show to seven women screaming, threatening violence and breaking dish ware is that one woman turns around.  It's bizarre.  If that happened in actual reality some or all of the following things would happen: (1) management would come over to the table when the yelling began and ask the "ladies" to please be quiet and respect the other guests; (2) the other guests would be whispering, pointing, or generally looking appalled at the obscene behavior of these "ladies;" (3) management would certainly come over when people were standing up, screaming, and breaking glasses to ask them to leave, to clean up, and to offer some accommodation to the other patrons; and/or (4) other patrons would stand up, move away from the chaos, look horrified, or leave to go get a manager when Lisa broke the glass.  

 

I have no more fucks to give about this mess.  I liked the first half of the season a lot.  This second half, centered on Kim's bullshit "recovery" and her abusive relationship with her sister is about as much fun as gonohrrea.  Thanks, but no thanks.  

Anytime the HWs go to a "dinner/lunch" at a restaurant, it is for the most part a "closed set". They rent out the entire restaurant or use a private room and use crew members to pose as customers in the background. Anyone that appears on camera must sign a release form, so it is easier to just rent it out instead of risking someone refusing to sign that form and suing production later for some sort of payment for appearing on the show.

[Satchels of gold]

I get your point, and I have talked about this in other threads. I have addicts in my family. I have dealt with professionals who help addicts. Much of what they say helps as an addict seem to go against natural instinct.  They were absolutely and I mean ABOLUTELY clear that the way to save my nieces life, was to back away. To let go, To stop enabling,  stop helping, stop covering, stop every single thing that made it easier for her to be an addict. That even meant detaching. Her own mother was told that everything she was doing to "help" was wrong. The only thing that would save my niece was to leave her alone and let her screw up. Others in this group of 12 had families who would not let go. They felt like they could help. They could financially help, they could give their child a safe place to stay, they could give them undending support . They could "fix" them.   They couldn't. One of them went against the professional's advice and brought theire son home to "take care " of him. He died of a heroin overdose in his bedroom. His father found him.

   My niece, well, we detached. We did what the professionals said to do. We let her lose her car. We stopped all financial support. We dropped all contact with her as this was what was advised in her case.  They helped her. She went to a halfway house. She now has 20 months sober and off drugs. She lives on her own. She works at the drug rehab that helped her.  The professionals were right. Our instinct to help, to cover for her, to protect her,  was wrong. It could have killed her, just liked I watch that kill 2 out of the 12 from her group. It's a tough road, but sometimes it is the only chance

Amen! Thank you for sharing this. Those of us that have addicts in the family know just how very hard this is. So glad your neice is doing well.

[Persnickety1]

FYI At least 10 out of 19 shows discussed Kim's sobriety or lack of it. A little more than half the season centered on alcohol and drug theme.  That's a lot of time to spend on something no one here enjoys!

 

 

Season 5

 

RHOBH Episodes

87 5-01 18/Nov/14 Guess Who's Coming to the White Party? (90 min)

88 5-02 25/Nov/14 Who Stalked J.R.?

89 5-03 02/Dec/14 Pay Attention to Me!

90 5-04 09/Dec/14 Livin' la Vida Housewife

91 5-05 16/Dec/14 Star Sighting

92 5-06 23/Dec/14 Medford, 90210

93 5-07 30/Dec/14 Breaking Branches

94 5-08 06/Jan/15 Winning and Dining

95 5-09 13/Jan/15 Live and Learn

96 5-10 20/Jan/15 House of Cards

97 5-11 27/Jan/15 It's Just a Scratch

98 5-12 03/Feb/15 Drama Queens

99 5-13 10/Feb/15 Sister Act

100 5-14 17/Feb/15 Surprise!

101 5-15 24/Feb/15 Welcome to Amsterdam?

102 5-16 03/Mar/15 Amster-Damn!

103 5-17 10/Mar/15 Amster-damn Slap

104 5-18 17/Mar/15 Confessions of a Housewife

105 5-19 24/Mar/15 The Party's Over

 

I think it was only touched on in some of those episodes rather than being front and center as it was after Poker Night.  

 

I'd have to watch all of these episodes again, but I'm pretty sure in the earlier episodes this season Kim is the one who was discussing her own sobriety.  

 

And, to be fair, reference to Kim's "recovery," even early in the season, almost had to be brought up, since it's pretty much her only story line (besides the wedding).  

 

Otherwise, we'd have had more filler crap of Kim and Brandi desperately trying to stay relevant, like that utter crap of Kim and Brandi stalking and spying on ex-boyfriends from bushes, a ridiculous subplot that I wish had been left on the cutting room floor.  

 

And speaking of the cutting room floor, I'm really looking forward to the lost footage episode to see what story lines might have been covered this season before Kim decided to take that pill.  I had actually really enjoyed the first part of the season before the now infamous Poker Night.  

 

Hell, maybe Brandi should thank Kim for her behavior on Poker Night.  Without Kim taking "a pain pill," neither one of them were bringing a damned thing to the show.  

Edited March 8, 2015 by Persnickety1

[GreatKazu]

 

I was brought up to stay with/stand by family........ whatever your internal differences, to always present a united front  in front of outsiders and  to never allow any chinks in the family armor to show. You could come home and beat each other up, yell-fight-kill each other, but you never fight with family in front of the rest of the world. The world must know it cannot divide my family.

Obviously this has not worked for Kim Richards. She still is an addict. And, addicts are the ones who divide families with their actions, words and behavior.  Distrust, cheating, stealing, accusing, pointing fingers, committing crimes, being a financial burden to their loved ones, entering into other vices, it all takes a toll on family members and no matter how much any family thinks that if they hold on tight and grip hands together to form a united front, it never works. Never.  That logic is all fine and dandy when dealing with certain problems and issues in the family. When dealing with addiction, that is a whole other matter. It is a disease. Just as I wouldn't want a family member to rely on homemade medicinal recipes or being rubbed down with crystals when dealing with cancer or some other diseases that requires certain medications and treatments, addiction requires certain medications (sometimes) and treatment.  Unlike other diseases, addiction requires the family and friends to be a united front in NOT enabling. If enabling and being a united front worked, Kim would have kicked her addiction long ago. Instead, she has dragged her family, not to mention her kids, through many rough patches.

 

 

FYI At least 10 out of 19 shows discussed Kim's sobriety or lack of it. A little more than half the season centered on alcohol and drug theme.  That's a lot of time to spend on something no one here enjoys!

How many times was her sobriety and behavior mentioned by each cast member? How many by Brandi? By LisaR? By Eileen? By Kyle?

 

I agree, the subject matter is too tense, too personal, and if it is "no one's business" as Kim loves to say, then why is she on this show? She had no issue talking about it during reunion shows, or one-on-one chats with Andy. Frankly, I miss that Kim. She had clarity and was owning up to her shit. I was ready to watch her tackle on different things with her new-found sobriety. I defended her when it seemed she had stumbled. Hearing how defensive she is about being sober for three years when clearly she relapsed, I feel I am watching the old Kim and I just don't like her.

Edited March 8, 2015 by GreatKazu

[thesupremediva1]

Addict or not, I believe people need to walk away from those who consistently abuse them. And from what we have all seen, I think it's clear that Kim emotionally and mentally abuses Kyle.

Beyond that, even if she's sober, she's proven herself to be a nasty piece of work. She's shown Kyle no loyalty in the face of Brandi's insults. I would never encourage family members to disown each other, but there is no point of pride in letting anyone, family member or not, abuse you and treat you like garbage over and over again.

There's also no shame in recognizing the need to disconnect before it goes too far. I think Lisa V. saw that. I think Eileen saw that. Lisa Rinna didn't. Kyle couldn't because it's her sister. But from the poker party on, Kim has proven to be vile in her actions and behavior. She's not apologizing. She's not trying to do better. She's a black hole who should be abandoned and left to deal with her choices. There is no peace to be found around her.

Edited March 9, 2015 by thesupremediva1

[Persnickety1]

Obviously this has not worked for Kim Richards. She still is an addict. And, addicts are the ones who divide families with their actions, words and behavior.  Distrust, cheating, stealing, accusing, pointing fingers, committing crimes, being a financial burden to their loved ones, entering into other vices, it all takes a toll on family members and no matter how much any family thinks that if they hold on tight and grip hands together to form a united front, it never works. Never.  That logic is all fine and dandy when dealing with certain problems and issues in the family. When dealing with addiction, that is a whole other matter. It is a disease. Just as I wouldn't want a family member to rely on homemade medicinal recipes or being rubbed down with crystals when dealing with cancer or some other diseases that requires certain medications and treatments, addiction requires certain medications (sometimes) and treatment.  Unlike other diseases, addiction requires the family and friends to be a united front in NOT enabling. If enabling and being a united front worked, Kim would have kicked her addiction long ago. Instead, she has dragged her family, not to mention her kids, through many rough patches.

 

How many times was her sobriety and behavior mentioned by each cast member? How many by Brandi? By LisaR? By Eileen? By Kyle?

 

I agree, the subject matter is too tense, too personal, and if it is "no one's business" as Kim loves to say, then why is she on this show? She had no issue talking about it during reunion shows, or one-on-one chats with Andy. Frankly, I miss that Kim. She had clarity and was owning up to her shit. I was ready to watch her tackle on different things with her new-found sobriety. I defended her when it seemed she had stumbled. Hearing how defensive she is about being sober for three years when clearly she relapsed, I feel I am watching the old Kim and I just don't like her.

 

And by Kim herself before Poker Night when all of a sudden any discussion of her recovery became taboo.  

[MissMel]

Allow me to translate this as a sister of a recovering alcoholic though still pretty messed up in other areas:

 

"Kathy never, ever gets on my case and nags and hounds me about my drinking/finances/kids/house like you do.  Kathy never criticizes me and is supportive of me- unlike you, Kyle."  

 

It's just my sister and I so can't imagine what a third sister in the mix would be like but since it's only us, I'm the bad guy and her goofy friends are the good guys.  All addicts have good guys (enablers) and bad guys (non-enablers/truth-tellers)

Still reading but I had to reply to this;

Ain't that the truth! I can't imagine how three sisters work in this situation. I was one of two, as well. I caught hell for not "being nice". Fuck that. Give me raw, you get raw right back. (Sidenote: I'm glad your sister is in recovery. I hope she is doing well and can appreciate your support. It sounds there's some hope there.)

[BlackMamba]

In hindsight, the correct response for Kyle could have been so simple. When Kim asked, "Why aren't you defending me?" Kyle should have said, "I didn't hear her say anything." If that didn't work, there's always the evergreen, "I don't remember anything!" Those two phrases have worked like a charm for Kim. As a last resort, perhaps she could have added something about moving, packing and unpacking.

[film noire]

Amen! Thank you for sharing this. Those of us that have addicts in the family know just how very hard this is. So glad your neice is doing well.

 

Ditto -- congratulations, JennyMominFL -- always so good to hear about someone who beat the devil. (And maybe, inadvertently, all this addict-on-display ugliness from Kim will ultimately be a teaching tool for someone, somewhere, trying to work through this with their own family.)

Edited March 8, 2015 by film noire

[talula]

If LisaR attended the reunion on February 20th she knew that Kim admitted there was no rumor about Harry...it was made up. Lisar and Harry are throughly enjoying all the free publicity their orchestrated publicity campaign--WDHD has brought them. Kim gave LisaR her RHOBH story line and she and her husband hundreds of thousands of dollars in free publicity. They both should be grateful to Kim Richards. Looks like LisaR is a "nice" person to herself. Yolanda was right she's greedy.

'You go girl!': Harry Hamlin stands behind wife Lisa Rinna following her explosive outburst on RHOBH in his defense

By YANA KAY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 13:34 EST, 8 March 2015 | UPDATED: 14:09 EST, 8 March 2015

-excerpt

"According to production sources, the Housewives brought up the issue again during the taping of the reunion episode, and Kim admitted she made it up.

The season five reunion episode was filmed on February 20 and will air on a later date."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2985303/Harry-Hamlin-stands-wife-Lisa-Rinna-following-explosive-outburst-RHOBH-defense.html#ixzz3TpFqIULu

Harry Hamlin Talks Kim Richards' RHOBH Accusations: "Maybe Someone Will Tell Me" What I Did!

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MAR. 8, 2015 AT 10:45AM BY RACHEL MCRADY

Harry Hamlin claims he has no idea what big secret Kim Richards is referring to on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Even Harry wants to know #WhatDidHarryDo? Harry Hamlin has been making headlines ever since the explosive fight between Lisa Rinna and Kim Richards in Amsterdam on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

In the wine glass-throwing episode, Richards, 50, claimed she would reveal a massive secret about Rinna's husband if she continued to question her sobriety. The threat caused the Melrose Place alum, 51, to go off, lunging for Richards and shattering a wine glass on the table.

At the Raising The Bar to End Parkinson’s event in Sherman Oaks, Calif. on Saturday, March 7, Hamlin spoke about his wife coming to his defense.

Harry Hamlin's wife Lisa Rinna is the newest Real Housewives of Beverly Hills star.

"She and I would equally defend each other’s honor," he told Us Weekly. "I was actually proud of her. I mean, look -- you are getting your back up against a wall with something like that. What do you expect you know in the long run? But every time I see it, I go, 'You go girl!'"

Though Hamlin, 63, was hesitant about his wife joining the show, the actor is ultimately pleased with her work on the Bravo reality series.

"Well, you know, I am [proud] because she’s doing a magnificent job," he said. "I think she’s bringing some class to a show that is kind of a reflection of who we are today. So in some sense it is art in that respect. I think she’s doing an extraordinary job."

As for the big secret Richards is threatening to expose? Hamlin claims he would like to know just as much as the rest of us.

"There is a hashtag #WhatDidHarryDo? out there so maybe someone will tell me at some point, and I hope it was good," he joked.

Real Housewives of Beverly Hills airs Tuesdays at 9 p.m. ET on Bravo.

http://www.usmagazine.com/entertainment/news/harry-hamlin-kim-richards-rhobh-accusations-lisa-rinna-201583

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[BlackMamba]

And by Kim herself before Poker Night when all of a sudden any discussion of her recovery became taboo.

True! When us viewers thought she was getting one over on us in season 4, she was all about talking how the show saved her life, wants to be handle accountable and how she some inspiration to others. She said that at the reunion! Mighty interesting she starts abusing meds, especially ones that arent hers "Mind your beeswax."

[Otherkate]

I have no more fucks to give about this mess.  I liked the first half of the season a lot.  This second half, centered on Kim's bullshit "recovery" and her abusive relationship with her sister is about as much fun as gonohrrea.  Thanks, but no thanks.  

 

I'm with you. Thanks to the poster who supplied the list of episodes though, I totally forgot about all the earlier episodes that I actually did enjoy. 

[Satchels of gold]

Still reading but I had to reply to this;

Ain't that the truth! I can't imagine how three sisters work in this situation. I was one of two, as well. I caught hell for not "being nice". Fuck that. Give me raw, you get raw right back. (Sidenote: I'm glad your sister is in recovery. I hope she is doing well and can appreciate your support. It sounds there's some hope there.)

As someone with a sibling in recovery I loved this post as well! It is perfection.

[talula]

True! When us viewers thought she was getting one over on us in season 4, she was all about talking how the show saved her life, wants to be handle accountable and how she some inspiration to others. She said that at the reunion! Mighty interesting she starts abusing meds, especially ones that arent hers "Mind your beeswax."

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[BlackMamba]

I think Kim may have fallen off the wagon. Not sure she was trying to get one over on us.

[zoeysmom]

If LisaR attended the reunion on February 20th she knew that Kim admitted there was no rumor about Harry...it was made up. Lisar and Harry are throughly enjoying all the free publicity their orchestrated publicity campaign--WDHD has brought them. Kim gave LisaR her RHOBH story line and she and her husband hundreds of thousands of dollars in free publicity. They both should be grateful to Kim Richards. Looks like LisaR is a "nice" person to herself. Yolanda was right she's greedy.

 

Had Kim not claimed that Harry did something there would be no publicity.  HH and Lisa have no control over when the episode airs if it is before or after the taping of the Reunion.  I doubt Bravo minds having the publicity.  It does once again put Kim in a really negative light.  If she decides to regurgitate what deed Harry did then she is really a bitch-because she doesn't even know the man.  If she says she did it just to hurt Lisar then she looks like a bigger bitch.  I would be lovely to hear that what Kim was talking about was Harry not using alcohol or drugs-and that she went about it wrong.

[GreatKazu]

 

I can't imagine how three sisters work in this situation. I was one of two, as well. I caught hell for not "being nice". Fuck that. Give me raw, you get raw right back. (Sidenote: I'm glad your sister is in recovery. I hope she is doing well and can appreciate your support. It sounds there's some hope there.)

I caught hell too, recently. But you know what? I don't care. I know what I am doing is right because I am not caught up in any chaos. I am not being abused in any way shape or form. I don't tolerate any abuse nor do I have to worry about having money taken from my purse or my personal belongings ending up in the pawn shop. I speak the truth and don't hide behind family unity. Fuck that.  I pity my relative for not being able to lay out boundaries like I have. Unfortunately, that relative will have to live with those consequences while her own health suffers from the stress. I cry and pray for her, but that is all I can do. Out of my control. One thing I learned in AA, learn to know what you can control and what is out of your hands.

 

I am glad too for the poster whose sister is in recovery.

 

 

Not sure she was trying to get one over on us.

Kim can try to get one over on us or not. She is not affecting me in any way. She is affecting those closest to her. I think back to Paris and I feel she tried to cover up for that pill she "mistakenly" took. 

 

 

When Kim asked, "Why aren't you defending me?" Kyle should have said, "I didn't hear her say anything." If that didn't work, there's always the evergreen, "I don't remember anything!" Those two phrases have worked like a charm for Kim.

That would have been perfect!!

 

 

Had Kim not claimed that Harry did something there would be no publicity.  HH and Lisa have no control over when the episode airs if it is before or after the taping of the Reunion

Right!

Edited March 8, 2015 by GreatKazu

[AnnA]

When we're watching this show, things happen so quickly that often we miss someone's expression.

 

Yolanda and LisaR had had priceless expressions in this episode and let's face it, we should laugh at these women;  I'm sure they're laughing.....all the way to the bank!

 

Yolanda (translation  - "Holy crap!  Not again!")

 

 

 

Lisa R - Shopping trip (no translation necessary)

 

Edited March 8, 2015 by AnnA

[SwordQueen]

Had Kim not claimed that Harry did something there would be no publicity.  HH and Lisa have no control over when the episode airs if it is before or after the taping of the Reunion.  I doubt Bravo minds having the publicity.  It does once again put Kim in a really negative light.  If she decides to regurgitate what deed Harry did then she is really a bitch-because she doesn't even know the man.  If she says she did it just to hurt Lisar then she looks like a bigger bitch.  I would be lovely to hear that what Kim was talking about was Harry not using alcohol or drugs-and that she went about it wrong.

 

I don't blame Lisa for getting some mileage and snark out the situation.  As Yo says; when you're given lemons, the only thing to do is to make a colon cleanse!

[talula]

LisaR started her WDHD Twitter campaign as suggested by a fan on March 3,2015 after the February 20th reunion taping. So if the reunion source is correct, in my article above, she was aware that Kim said she made up the rumor about Harry.
 

Natalie H ‏@NatalieHoage  · Mar 3 
Can't wait to see #RHOBH tonight & I'm dying to know: #WhatDidHarryDo? #WDHD RT if you want to know too! @lisarinna

 

But LisaR just was sooooo concerned about Kim's health and with her addiction expertise what could she do, but call Kim names and ridicule her because she refused LisaR's expertise. All this because she's a "nice" person, in her own words.

I fell for LisaR's brother in laws dying of alcoholism and sister overdosing, but no more sob stories after the way your making Kim...the called out addict...the butt of your jokes.

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[AnnA]

LisaR started her WDHD Twitter campaign as suggested by a fan on March 3,2015 after the February 20th reunion taping. So if the reunion source is correct, in my article above, she was aware that Kim said she made up the rumor about Harry.

 

That's the opposite of what Kyle said in her Extra interview so what are we to believe?

 

“Extra” caught up with Kim’s sister and co-star Kyle Richards on Thursday, and Kyle set the record straight, saying, “[Kim] did not say that she was making anything up.”

 

I watched Kyle's interview and that's exactly what she said.  Was she lying?  And why would she do that?  She knows we're all going to see the reunion.

 

Kyle Richards Extra Interview

Edited March 8, 2015 by AnnA

[talula]

That's the opposite of what Kyle said in her Extra interview so what are we to believe?

 

“Extra” caught up with Kim’s sister and co-star Kyle Richards on Thursday, and Kyle set the record straight, saying, “[Kim] did not say that she was making anything up.”

 

I watched Kyle's interview and that's exactly what she said.  Was she lying?  And why would she do that?  She knows we're all going to see the reunion.

Kyle was referring to before the February 20th reunion.  The HWs very seldom reveal a big reunion surprise before the reunion airs. Andy Cohen wouldn't be happy with that, LOL.

[hypnotoad]

 

But LisaR just was sooooo concerned about Kim's health and with her addiction expertise what could she do, but call Kim names and ridicule her

 

Kim says she's great in her sobriety and is strong. What now Lisa R is supposed to ignore the fact that Kim made up a rumor and said a bunch of horrible things about Eileen and Kyle. Heck who knows what else happens in the coming episodes. I don't have an issue with Lisa R taking a piss about this whole thing.

[AnnA]

Kyle was referring to before the February 20th reunion.  The HWs very seldom reveal a big reunion surprise before the reunion airs. Andy Cohen wouldn't be happy with that, LOL.

 

I don't think so.  That interview was March 5, 2015 after the reunion.

 

I copied this directly from your post in the reunion thread.

 

March 05, 2015

Kyle Richards Responds to ‘RHOBH’ Fight Between Sister Kim and Lisa Rinna

Extra

Reports now say in the season’s upcoming reunion show, it will be revealed that Kim was lying about having a secret about Hamlin just to get under Lisa’s skin.

“Extra” caught up with Kim’s sister and co-star Kyle Richards on Thursday, and Kyle set the record straight, saying, “[Kim] did not say that she was making anything up.”

Edited March 8, 2015 by thewhiteowl

[talula]

I don't think so.  That interview was March 5, 2015 after the reunion.

 

I copied this directly from your post in the reunion thread.

 

March 05, 2015

Kyle Richards Responds to ‘RHOBH’ Fight Between Sister Kim and Lisa Rinna

Extra

Reports now say in the season’s upcoming reunion show, it will be revealed that Kim was lying about having a secret about Hamlin just to get under Lisa’s skin.

“Extra” caught up with Kim’s sister and co-star Kyle Richards on Thursday, and Kyle set the record straight, saying, “[Kim] did not say that she was making anything up.”

Kyle can always say she was referring to the episode...not the Reunion Show.  Notice the line before that says: 

"Reports now say in the season’s upcoming reunion show, it will be revealed that Kim was lying about having a secret about Hamlin just to get under Lisa’s skin."

[AnnA]

Kyle can always say she was referring to the episode...not the Reunion Show.  Notice the line before that says: 

"Reports now say in the season’s upcoming reunion show, it will be revealed that Kim was lying about having a secret about Hamlin just to get under Lisa’s skin."

 

I don't know about that.  They mentioned the reunion show and not the episode.

 

It's too much like "Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o" to me.

Edited March 8, 2015 by AnnA

[talula]

Kim says she's great in her sobriety and is strong. What now Lisa R is supposed to ignore the fact that Kim made up a rumor and said a bunch of horrible things about Eileen and Kyle. Heck who knows what else happens in the coming episodes. I don't have an issue with Lisa R taking a piss about this whole thing.

My problem is that Lisar was portraying herself one way, the caring addict whisperer. And in actuality she doesn't give a damn about Kim Richards, except to step over her body on the way up the HW ladder of notoriety.

I don't know about that.  They mentioned the reunion show and not the episode.

 

It's too much like "Po-ta-to vs Po-tat-o" to me.

Guess we'll see what happens together at the Reunion.

[ryebread]

But LisaR just was sooooo concerned about Kim's health and with her addiction expertise what could she do, but call Kim names and ridicule her because she refused LisaR's expertise. All this because she's a "nice" person, in her own words.

I fell for LisaR's brother in laws dying of alcoholism and sister overdosing, but no more sob stories after the way your making Kim...the called out addict...the butt of your jokes.

 

Lisa after the dinner debacle, talking to Kyle and Eileen in Kyle's room about Kim and Brandi.  Shaking her head:  "It's not you.  It's them.  They're in so much pain.",  closes eyes, drah-matically shakes head again, "They're in so much pain...."

 

Next, she assures us she will NEVER talk it out with Kim.  She can tell you that right now that she will never ever talk to Kim again.  That will never happen.  She loves and respects Kyle but she will never, EVER talk to Kim again.

 

LOL.  Truth be told I'm glad she caved. I'm going to guess that she and Kim end up as friends. 

 

Kyle didn't look happy with Lisa when Lisa was going on and on about how abusive Kim was and how she'll never ever talk to her again.  Same old, "I think my sister's an ass and I can say it, but you can't."

[WireWrap]

Had Kim not claimed that Harry did something there would be no publicity.  HH and Lisa have no control over when the episode airs if it is before or after the taping of the Reunion.  I doubt Bravo minds having the publicity.  It does once again put Kim in a really negative light.  If she decides to regurgitate what deed Harry did then she is really a bitch-because she doesn't even know the man.  If she says she did it just to hurt Lisar then she looks like a bigger bitch.  I would be lovely to hear that what Kim was talking about was Harry not using alcohol or drugs-and that she went about it wrong.

IMO, Kim cut her own throat no matter what she does at the reunion.

LisaR started her WDHD Twitter campaign as suggested by a fan on March 3,2015 after the February 20th reunion taping. So if the reunion source is correct, in my article above, she was aware that Kim said she made up the rumor about Harry.

 

Natalie H ‏@NatalieHoage  · Mar 3 

Can't wait to see #RHOBH tonight & I'm dying to know: #WhatDidHarryDo? #WDHD RT if you want to know too! @lisarinna

 

But LisaR just was sooooo concerned about Kim's health and with her addiction expertise what could she do, but call Kim names and ridicule her because she refused LisaR's expertise. All this because she's a "nice" person, in her own words.

I fell for LisaR's brother in laws dying of alcoholism and sister overdosing, but no more sob stories after the way your making Kim...the called out addict...the butt of your jokes.

"unnamed sources" will crawl out of the woodwork between now and the reunion spouting all sorts of "inside information" and IMO, none are to be trusted.

 

As for LisaR and HH twitter jokes about Kim's supposed secret, if they ignore it then some people will assume there is something they are hiding, if they get angry about it on twitter some people will say the "protest too much" and when they makes jokes about it some people call it cruel. I, myself, have no problem with them making fun of it, they are not calling anyone a liar or any names at all, they are just laughing at the idea that they are hiding/covering up some deep dark secret. If in fact there is something they wish to keep private, that is their right.

 

That's the opposite of what Kyle said in her Extra interview so what are we to believe?

 

“Extra” caught up with Kim’s sister and co-star Kyle Richards on Thursday, and Kyle set the record straight, saying, “[Kim] did not say that she was making anything up.”

 

I watched Kyle's interview and that's exactly what she said.  Was she lying?  And why would she do that?  She knows we're all going to see the reunion.

 

Kyle Richards Extra Interview

I saw that interview video and I believe Kyle is telling the truth, I don't think Kim will deny it either.

[AnnA]

 

Guess we'll see what happens together at the Reunion.

 

You could be right about Kyle intentionally misleading us but if that's the case, I'll have even less respect for her than I do now.

[parisprincess]

And in actuality she doesn't give a damn about Kim Richards, except to step over her body on the way up the HW ladder of notoriety.

 

Most of these women aren't really friends anyway.  They just choose who they feel they have the most in common with to befriend on camera.  Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if LisaR doesn't give a damn about Kim, because I haven't seen an instance where Kim gives a damn about any of the rest of them either.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other. 

[zoeysmom]

My problem is that Lisar was portraying herself one way, the caring addict whisperer. And in actuality she doesn't give a damn about Kim Richards, except to step over her body on the way up the HW ladder of notoriety.

Guess we'll see what happens together at the Reunion.

I do think Lisar cared just because she and HH are pretty involved people. I think Lisar stopped caring and went from caring to disliking Kim when Kim continually refused to apologize and said the HH thing and Lisa should be paying attention to her own house.  Since Kim says pretty much the identical thing to Eileen I am wondering if it is something she picked up from a program.  Also the blithering about Kim telling her truths while Lisar lies about her.  Lisar never lied about Kim she just didn't agree that Kim had not breached her sobriety.

[talula]

IMO, Kim cut her own throat no matter what she does at the reunion.

"unnamed sources" will crawl out of the woodwork between now and the reunion spouting all sorts of "inside information" and IMO, none are to be trusted.

 

As for LisaR and HH twitter jokes about Kim's supposed secret, if they ignore it then some people will assume there is something they are hiding, if they get angry about it on twitter some people will say the "protest too much" and when they makes jokes about it some people call it cruel. I, myself, have no problem with them making fun of it, they are not calling anyone a liar or any names at all, they are just laughing at the idea that they are hiding/covering up some deep dark secret. If in fact there is something they wish to keep private, that is their right.

 

I saw that interview video and I believe Kyle is telling the truth, I don't think Kim will deny it either.

If the truth is Kim had no HH secret then I guess Kim had nothing to say about the rumor at the Reunion because it's non-existent.

[zoeysmom]

You could be right about Kyle intentionally misleading us but if that's the case, I'll have even less respect for her than I do now.

For the most part Kyle is pretty truthful-especially if it is something that has been filmed-she has a pretty good recollection.  I know you don't like her but of all the past RH and with the exception of Eileen she is a pretty straight shooter when it comes to telling the truth.  I think that is why Bravo uses her as the PR person-she does a lot of their upfront stuff.  I think she would set the record straight for Kim. I do think that is program patter about keeping your focus on your own house.  The problem is Kim used it as a weapon.

 

Which left me wondering if Kyle doesn't come back who takes her place as the party central planner and the one who always tries to keep the band together.   Obviously Kyle would never not invite her sister and Kim has the balls to just bring Brandi crashing into Kyle's life. Yolanda is out as she is too ill and clueless and Lisav has no desire.  That leaves either Rinna or Eileen and I think Eileen has certain expectations conduct wise that would make her not inclusive.

Edited March 8, 2015 by zoeysmom

[AnnA]

IMO, Kim cut her own throat no matter what she does at the reunion.

"unnamed sources" will crawl out of the woodwork between now and the reunion spouting all sorts of "inside information" and IMO, none are to be trusted.

As for LisaR and HH twitter jokes about Kim's supposed secret, if they ignore it then some people will assume there is something they are hiding, if they get angry about it on twitter some people will say the "protest too much" and when they makes jokes about it some people call it cruel. I, myself, have no problem with them making fun of it, they are not calling anyone a liar or any names at all, they are just laughing at the idea that they are hiding/covering up some deep dark secret. If in fact there is something they wish to keep private, that is their right.

I saw that interview video and I believe Kyle is telling the truth, I don't think Kim will deny it either.

Well, we all know better than to believe what we read in the tabloids or on gossip sites. It's no secret that I'm not known for being a defender of Kyle Richards but she has nothing to gain from that statement in her interview. If it turns out not to be true, then she'll just lose even more credibility. That's not a smart move and I don't believe Kyle is stupid.

ETA: Should we have a poll about how much time is devoted to rehashing the Amsterdam dinner over a three night reunion?

Edited March 8, 2015 by AnnA

[becauseIsaidso]

 

Another thing I know, is why they needed to bring so much luggage.

That's the part that gets me too.  Now that I have been able to travel for pleasure, I do try to keep my baggage as little as possible because I just don't want to be encumbered by anything that interferes with my enjoyment of the sites and culture I am experiencing.  Guess the bitch-wives are more concerned with the sunglasses-du-jour and how they THINK they look (heads up, Kyle) and impressing (or, at best, attempting to) the viewers than with the places they are actually so fortunate to be visiting....makes me want to vomit....truly...

[talula]

I do think Lisar cared just because she and HH are pretty involved people. I think Lisar stopped caring and went from caring to disliking Kim when Kim continually refused to apologize and said the HH thing and Lisa should be paying attention to her own house.  Since Kim says pretty much the identical thing to Eileen I am wondering if it is something she picked up from a program.  Also the blithering about Kim telling her truths while Lisar lies about her.  Lisar never lied about Kim she just didn't agree that Kim had not breached her sobriety.

Lisar is entitled to her opinion about calling Kim an addict because Kim took a pill rendering her high in front of her.  Maybe for one or two episodes, but for 11 episodes I find that rather punitive and mean spirited to say the least.  I also find it exploiting a persons weakness for profit.

Edited March 8, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[AnnA]

For the most part Kyle is pretty truthful-especially if it is something that has been filmed-she has a pretty good recollection.  I know you don't like her but of all the past and with the exception of Eileen she is a pretty straight shooter when it comes to telling the truth.  I think that is why Bravo uses her as the PR person-she does a lot of their upfront stuff.  I think she would set the record straight for Kim. I do think that is program patter about keeping your focus on your own house.  The problem is Kim used it as a weapon.

 

Which left me wondering if Kyle doesn't come back who takes her place as the party central planner and the one who always tries to keep the band together.   Obviously Kyle would never not invite her sister and Kim has the balls to just bring Brandi crashing into Kyle's life. Yolanda is out as she is too ill and clueless and Lisav has no desire.  That leaves either Rinna or Eileen and I think Eileen has certain expectations conduct wise that would make her not inclusive.

 

Great minds and all that!   I just posted about Kyle.  

 

She has absolutely nothing to gain by lying in that interview.  Even  though I'm not a fan of her dramatics, I agree that she is truthful. 

[charming]

I love that after Yolanda stated that she would be a prostitute to feed her children, they cut to Brandi clinking her glass saying "Cheers" - Shady boots Bravo editors give me the giggles.

[talula]

Most of these women aren't really friends anyway.  They just choose who they feel they have the most in common with to befriend on camera.  Therefore, it wouldn't surprise me if LisaR doesn't give a damn about Kim, because I haven't seen an instance where Kim gives a damn about any of the rest of them either.  Six of one, half a dozen of the other. 

Well then Lisar should not have been feeding the viewers a line of concern for poor Kim and giving out personal stories about her dear BILs that died of alcoholism and her beloved sister that died of an overdose. All in order to drum up her addiction credits and inflate her non-existent care for a person she targeted as a fallen off the wagon addict.  But I guess she's an actress we shouldn't expect anything more from her. Your right she never gave a damn for Kim's health...it was a big joke.

[Almost 3000]

After watching the restaurant scene for the third time, I think it is the most fake thing I have seen on "reality" TV in a very long time.  An "explosive" scene was obviously planned from the get-go, with the consent of restaurant management.  First, there are only 3 or 4 people in the restaurant (probably all crew members).  Second, the most reaction any of these "patrons" show to seven women screaming, threatening violence and breaking dish ware is that one woman turns around.  It's bizarre.  If that happened in actual reality some or all of the following things would happen: (1) management would come over to the table when the yelling began and ask the "ladies" to please be quiet and respect the other guests; (2) the other guests would be whispering, pointing, or generally looking appalled at the obscene behavior of these "ladies;" (3) management would certainly come over when people were standing up, screaming, and breaking glasses to ask them to leave, to clean up, and to offer some accommodation to the other patrons; and/or (4) other patrons would stand up, move away from the chaos, look horrified, or leave to go get a manager when Lisa broke the glass.  

 

I have no more fucks to give about this mess.  I liked the first half of the season a lot.  This second half, centered on Kim's bullshit "recovery" and her abusive relationship with her sister is about as much fun as gonohrrea.  Thanks, but no thanks.  

and that's why they usually have these types of dinners in a private room. I too thought that this dinner in an open and windowed main dining room suspect.