S05.E13: Sister Act

[Pattycake2]

I'm enjoying this season.  The first half was all about their fabulous lives.  During the second half, we get to watch Brandi behaving very, very badly and everyone seeing it.   No one stepping up to protect Brandi.  They have her number and I love that.   It is sad to see Kim's actions.  However, this finished filming months ago and she's still around.  Even did a tv show cameo.  So, she's toddling along as usual.

[erikdepressant]

I hate to defend Brandi, but if the other women were more interesting than she was, we'd see the footage.  I think Eileen and LisaR are the reason people are watching the show this season; however, I also think their novelty will wear off really quickly.

 

Once Max's heritage story is resolved, what will LisaV bring?  I forgot to watch the end credits of the episode with Max and the website.  The cynic in me said that we'd see "Promotional consideration by ancestry.com."  For all we know, he found his birth family years ago, and this is just a concocted story.

[talula]

LisaV does seem very guarded.

I think that's been the problem this season.

With LisaV and Yo not contributing much and LisaR & Eileen being newbies, finding their footing. The focus is on Kim and Brand.

Two people, who IMO should not be on the show.

Exactly...a vacuum occurred and unfortunately certain ladies filled the void! :(  In other words their story became the meat and potatoes of this season.  Wonder what's on the cutting room floor?

[motorcitymom65]

I would take Kim's blog as a sign that she is still in it.  If she is blogging and watching the show, I think she will be at the reunion. If she doesn't go, she is basically saying she is done with the show. 

 

That is the thing about Adrienne. People say she was fired, but I contend that is not really what happened. She knew that if she didn't go to the reunion, she wouldn't be asked back. She decided to not go and so really she quit. I always said, way back in the day, that Bravo would eventually feel badly about that whole deal. They were complicit in keeping the story line alive that Adrienne was the big bad rich girl suing poor Brandi. No way Adrienne could win in that deal at the time. That is why they let her come back in this limited way, especially considering they are letting her host the big year end Season Finale party. If there were really seriously hard feelings on the part of Bravo, and she was fired, they would have never let that happen.

 

Kim's blog is delusional. 

[FozzyBear]

I hate to defend Brandi, but if the other women were more interesting than she was, we'd see the footage. I think Eileen and LisaR are the reason people are watching the show this season; however, I also think their novelty will wear off really quickly.

Once Max's heritage story is resolved, what will LisaV bring? I forgot to watch the end credits of the episode with Max and the website. The cynic in me said that we'd see "Promotional consideration by ancestry.com." For all we know, he found his birth family years ago, and this is just a concocted story.

I get this feeling about LisaV...she's phoning it in. I just think she's over RHOBH. Her presence on VPR is totally different. She's engaged, she's having fun (even if it's playing the heavy), she's amused by the cast. She also isn't a main character over there so it's probably not as much of a time commitment. I think she's just fulfilling her contract on BH, cashing her check, and cross promoting her other businesses and her kids at this point. And it shows. Love her or hate her, LisaV is good at this shit. She's like Bethanny on NY in many ways (I will admit to being a fan of both). They are both really good at being in these multi person shows. Both know how to fit into an ensemble, what their role is, how to keep the drama going, and both have a decent instinct for when it's getting too dark or screechy. The first season of NY without Bethanny was horrible. Boring and tense at the same time. I think we're seeing some of that here with LisaV's reluctance to get involved. It's become one long, loud, boring screaming match.

[zoeysmom]

I would take Kim's blog as a sign that she is still in it.  If she is blogging and watching the show, I think she will be at the reunion. If she doesn't go, she is basically saying she is done with the show. 

 

That is the thing about Adrienne. People say she was fired, but I contend that is not really what happened. She knew that if she didn't go to the reunion, she wouldn't be asked back. She decided to not go and so really she quit. I always said, way back in the day, that Bravo would eventually feel badly about that whole deal. They were complicit in keeping the story line alive that Adrienne was the big bad rich girl suing poor Brandi. No way Adrienne could win in that deal at the time. That is why they let her come back in this limited way, especially considering they are letting her host the big year end Season Finale party. If there were really seriously hard feelings on the part of Bravo, and she was fired, they would have never let that happen.

 

Kim's blog is delusional. 

Adrienne was under a court imposed gag order and knew she could not adequately defend herself with that hanging over her head.  Also, she is rich and the bonus money wasn't worth her angst to try and explain herself around a gag order.  I always thought Adrienne finest moments were in the limo and when Taylor came to apologize and Adrienne would not let up until Taylor apologized specifically to Camille.

 

Kim's blog-damn there are so many layers of secrecy that they need a CIA operative to crack 'em.  Why was the relationship between Brandi and Kyle going downhill long before this event?  I thought they didn't have a friendly relationship until right before Puerto Rico? I think the problem is Brandi was upset Kyle and Lisa made up.  I think she wanted Kyle in her camp and to be the one flitting back and forth between camps-and NO ONE except idiot Kim has ever, or will ever see Brandi in that role.  I know it is hard for sober Kim to wrap her head around but the entire blow up in the Kyle and  Brandi relationship was the break in her sobriety and subsequent asshole of the week worthy behavior.  I do not feel bad for Kim because it was hard for her to watch the poker night episode. 

 

If Kim thinks her bringing Brandi was anything akin to Eileen inviting she and Kyle to lunch again she is delusional. Kim and Kyle both knew the other would be there.  I see a Kim who is so very overconfident in her sobriety and omnipotent going into this Reunion that she will end up very, very disappointed.  I hope Bravo doesn't show her overly boring soapbox speech of last year Part 3 of the Reunion.

 

So all we know is Kim was NOT calling Brandi with a suicide attempt, it was another person's problems Kim was concerned about and for some reason she is holding this over her sister's head, and all the problems were resolved, and Kim has two other girlfriends besides Brandi and of course Monty.

 

At the end of the day if Kim is too angry and hateful towards her sister to see that Brandi is the one bringing the audience to the edge of Kim's confidences than maybe Kim needs to stop expecting people to keep her secrets.

[motorcitymom65]

This from Kim's Blog:

 

"As I’ve mentioned before, their feud may seem like it’s all about me, but it is something much deeper and goes way back before this  happened with me. We’ve all seen how their relationship progressively has gone downhill throughout the seasons. I mean, you all saw how Kyle and Brandi really started blowing up at each other over personal attacks, not over my situation! I don’t even want to go over in detail what was said… I don’t agree with anything that came out of their mouths that night. I was, and maybe still am, hurt—hurt by Kyle’s words and the dynamic between us three."

 

"During Kyle’s mixer and Brandi and  Lisa R.’s lunch, certain phone calls between Brandi and me were brought up. I know exactly which phone calls they were, and, yes, they were concerning, because they were about someone who was in need of help—someone I care deeply about. I was directly involved in a very tough situation that did put me in harm’s way, and that’s why I was distraught when I called Brandi about it. It was NEVER about me or alcohol and drugs. Both Kyle and Brandi knew exactly what those calls were about, so I was extremely upset when Kyle, knowing how private it was, kept on pushing Brandi to talk about the phone calls. With that said, I’m happy to share this person is doing well. This is all I have to share, and I ask everyone to respect this person’s privacy and to not probe any further. Anyway, I hope Brandi doesn’t really feel pressured as one of my friends. She’s been there for me and so have so many other people outside of this group. Shout out to some of my best friends who have supported me through the years…decades— love you: Valerie, Lianne, Monty, Kristi …"

 

 

As Zoeysmom mentioned, when have we all seen their relationship go downhill throughout the seasons? It started out horribly, became manageable, and then moved to a pretty good place. If Kim believes what she has blogged, then she is missing an integral part of their history.

 

Notice that she says she is hurt by Kyle's words - then and maybe still. Why specifically mention being hurt by Kyle and not call out Brandi at all?  Why be mad at Kyle about the 2AM phone calls, and say nothing about the fact that we only know about them at all because of Brandi? 

 

What were the personal attacks that Kyle was leveling at Brandi, that had nothing to do with Kim? I am drawing a blank here.  The only personal attack I remember is the one about Mauricio from Brandi. Does Kim understand what  a personal attack is?

 

I can so completely understand why reading things like this would be frustrating to Kyle. Kim is incapable of seeing the truth, and instead blames everything on Kyle. Considering she told Eileen she cannot stand to hear people say bad things about people she loves, she is managing very well in doing this with regard to Kyle. Yep, my feelings would be all kinds of hurt. 

[lovesnark]

Adrienne was under a court imposed gag order and knew she could not adequately defend herself with that hanging over her head.  Also, she is rich and the bonus money wasn't worth her angst to try and explain herself around a gag order.  I always thought Adrienne finest moments were in the limo and when Taylor came to apologize and Adrienne would not let up until Taylor apologized specifically to Camille.

 

Kim's blog-damn there are so many layers of secrecy that they need a CIA operative to crack 'em.  Why was the relationship between Brandi and Kyle going downhill long before this event?  I thought they didn't have a friendly relationship until right before Puerto Rico? I think the problem is Brandi was upset Kyle and Lisa made up.  I think she wanted Kyle in her camp and to be the one flitting back and forth between camps-and NO ONE except idiot Kim has ever, or will ever see Brandi in that role.  I know it is hard for sober Kim to wrap her head around but the entire blow up in the Kyle and  Brandi relationship was the break in her sobriety and subsequent asshole of the week worthy behavior.  I do not feel bad for Kim because it was hard for her to watch the poker night episode. 

 

If Kim thinks her bringing Brandi was anything akin to Eileen inviting she and Kyle to lunch again she is delusional. Kim and Kyle both knew the other would be there.  I see a Kim who is so very overconfident in her sobriety and omnipotent going into this Reunion that she will end up very, very disappointed.  I hope Bravo doesn't show her overly boring soapbox speech of last year Part 3 of the Reunion.

 

So all we know is Kim was NOT calling Brandi with a suicide attempt, it was another person's problems Kim was concerned about and for some reason she is holding this over her sister's head, and all the problems were resolved, and Kim has two other girlfriends besides Brandi and of course Monty.

 

At the end of the day if Kim is too angry and hateful towards her sister to see that Brandi is the one bringing the audience to the edge of Kim's confidences than maybe Kim needs to stop expecting people to keep her secrets.

You win the interwebs today! I really and truly spit coffee all over my desk.

 

So, it was hard for poor Kimmie to watch poker night. Poor thing. How about apologizing to Eileen and Vince for that shitshow? Or, to LisaR for being vile, hateful, threatening to kill her and from what we learned later, kicking at her on the ride over?

 

I'm not buying the phone call explanation for one second. 

[msblossom]

Maybe Kim's blogging is a sign of trans-dermal courage.

[Avaleigh]

Notice that she says she is hurt by Kyle's words - then and maybe still. Why specifically mention being hurt by Kyle and not call out Brandi at all?  Why be mad at Kyle about the 2AM phone calls, and say nothing about the fact that we only know about them at all because of Brandi?

I don't understand Kim at all but her blog is just what I was expecting. It's all about how hurt she is and she blames Kyle for most of the situation. 

 

The title of Kim's blog is "Brandi and Kyle's Feud Has Nothing To Do With Me". Does Kim not remember Brandi shouting at Kyle in Eileen's driveway about how she isn't there for Kim? Brandi tells Kim to her face that she was protecting her from Kyle. Kyle tells Kim on the show that Brandi isn't being a good friend to her. Kim claims to have seen the episodes so what does she mean that the fight doesn't have anything to do with her?

 

Then we have Kim ripping into LisaR because Lisa is being candid about what she thinks and isn't tiptoeing around Kim's behavior. Kim had a similar reaction to Brandi back when Brandi was the new person who was calling out Kim for being whacked out of her mind. For me it comes across as Kim not being able to handle some hard truths about herself. Kim has a lot of nerve when I consider that she never even apologized to LisaR for her behavior on Poker Night. 

 

Also--Why isn't Kim addressing Brandi's claim that "[she'd fallen] off the wagon". She has plenty of time to criticize LisaR but she can't say anything about her friend Brandi flat out saying that she'd relapsed?

[Persnickety1]

Read Monty Brinson comments on this Instagram.  He is now saying he would never give Kim anything that would harm her or her sobriety that she worked so hard for the past three years.  He then says her family knows. . . . knows what?  I don't buy Kim's behavior was due to pain.  http://instagram.com/p/zBzMxnhxnd/

 

As if dying isn't bad enough, now he has to take to social media to defend himself against his druggie ex-wife's claims.

 

Glad to see Kim is taking such good loving, devoted care of Monty in his final days.

 

What a bitch.  

[Mozelle]

I'm making a rough guess here, that 90% of the posts on this episode have Brandi's name in them.  Just sayin'.

 

I still say all three of them are assholes.  If I really think about it, Kim probably has the best excuse, she's got a horrible disease, she's an addict, and addicts do backslide. 

 

I won't mention Brandi's sins because, God knows they have been covered endlessly.

 

That leaves me with Kyle.  Kyle doesn't suddenly become a suffering martyr/angel because someone else is an asshole too.  Kyle's STILL a mean-girl, immature bitch who has to make everything about herself, and needs a gang to back her up.  She hasn't changed at all, she's just getting better at spin, not Vanderpump levels of skill, but she's cunning, and is picking up her game.

 

A thought came to me this morning.   IF Bravo had been filming when whatever Kim was saying or doing scared the shit out of Brandi at 2AM, and Kyle got the call, I think Kyle would have fixed her makeup, put on something too tight, possibly sparkly, called BRAVO to arrange filming, brushed out her hair until it shined, and THEN run to Kim's house, camera's in tow.  If not that, the next day, she would certainly make sure we heard about how HARD it was for her, but she's such a saint she had to run to help Kim in, for several episodes. 

 

As it was though?  They weren't filming, and Kyle didn't give a shit.  She went back to sleep.  Brandi is right about that one.  Her reasons could be "been there, done that" but still, she didn't give a shit.  I believe that did shock the crap out of Brandi, and that she was scared for Kim.  There is a lot of fear in a situation like that, and it can make you angry to be afraid. 

 

The Richard sisters are a train wreck.  They should have listened to what Eileen was trying to say to them.  Drop the bullshit and find the love.  Instead it was all verbal finger pointing over who stood up for the other one and on and on and on again some more, as we've seen since this show began.  They aren't changing because their sickness works for them.

 

 

Haven't Kyle's transgressions been covered endlessly as well?

 

I get this feeling about LisaV...she's phoning it in. I just think she's over RHOBH. Her presence on VPR is totally different. She's engaged, she's having fun (even if it's playing the heavy), she's amused by the cast. She also isn't a main character over there so it's probably not as much of a time commitment.

 

I haven't watch a second of Vanderpump Rules, but could the difference be that Lisa holds the cards on her own show? She gets to be amused by these players because she is, in essence, their boss. There's a power differential there that doesn't exist for her with the women of RHOBH.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Mozelle

[runforcover]

Another Kimsight

 

"I do want to rebuild my relationship with Kyle, but I just don’t know how. We’re so close that I think we’re both haunted by our history of ups and downs." 

 

Bitch please, this is insulting.  All you do is rebuild stuff.  It's your thing.  And don't give me this nonsense about how Brandi's feud with Kyle is somehow more epic and profound than the longstanding tradition of mutual life-ruining you've got going on with your sister.

 

WHY DO I READ THESE?

[FozzyBear]

Haven't Kyle's transgressions been covered endlessly as well?

I haven't watch a second of Venderpump Rules, but could the difference be that Lisa holds the cards on her own show? She gets to be amused by these players because she is, in essence, their boss. There's a power differential there that doesn't exist for her with the women of RHOBH.

Oh sure, it's a different roll. I'm just saying that it has become obvious to me that LisaV does not want to be on RHBH and is there for the paycheck. She is interacting with the women exactly as much as she needs to to fulfill her contract and not one second more. And that's a shift for her. Sure she could always be bitchy and get in fights, but she used to act like she enjoyed being a part of the show, even if just to make jokes or whatever. This season, not so much. She's visually miserable every time she has to film with the rest of the cast. And I think the show has suffered for it.

[msblossom]

As if dying isn't bad enough, now he has to take to social media to defend himself against his druggie ex-wife's claims.

 

Glad to see Kim is taking such good loving, devoted care of Monty in his final days.

 

What a bitch.

I hope he's moved out; that way Kim can't use Monty or his meds for cover anymore.

[haydensterling]

Kim is talking, possibly, about the child that was put on the 5150.  Remember this?  It was something we weren't allowed to talk about at TWoP--I know, I got a ding for questioning who it was--but to me, if there is someone else involved, it would be whichever kid of Kim's it was who got sick.  

 

I don't know.  It's the first thing that came to mind.  

[msblossom]

Chad

Although, I have no interest in delving into what sent him to the hospital. That's their business. Kim's drug use or no. I say leave the kid out of the conversation.

[lovesnark]

Kim is talking, possibly, about the child that was put on the 5150.  Remember this?  It was something we weren't allowed to talk about at TWoP--I know, I got a ding for questioning who it was--but to me, if there is someone else involved, it would be whichever kid of Kim's it was who got sick.  

 

I don't know.  It's the first thing that came to mind.  

That happened way prior to Kim and Brandi becoming besties. Brandi has told us that she's been Kim's one and only for about 6 months. Whatever happened, Lisa V said something to Kim about it during a reunion show when Kim was going off on her for 'never being there for her'.

 

I don't believe Kim's bullshit story about the phone call, anyway. 

[haydensterling]

Chad

Although, I have no interest in delving into what sent him to the hospital. That's their business. Kim's drug use or no. I say leave the kid out of the conversation.

 

msblossom, I'm not interested in talking about the kid--which is why I didn't name names.  People were asking who Kim could possibly be talking about in the blog, and the only thing that would make sense to me, unless she's high, is the child who is dealing with mental illness.  That's it.

[zoeysmom]

Chad

Although, I have no interest in delving into what sent him to the hospital. That's their business. Kim's drug use or no. I say leave the kid out of the conversation.

It is not the kid - Kim wouldn't be saying harm's way and Kyle would not ignore him.  My guess-if this is the truth-it is probably some nominal player in Kim's life that Kathy and Kyle have little or no connection with and that is why the did not see the need to get involved.  Since the person is now okay it is hard to believe she was ever truly in harm's way.

 

I say leave Chad out of it as well.  I don't think he has uttered a sentence this year.

[goofygirl]

I know, I know... I should never had read the dingleberry's blog but I couldn't help myself.  Now that I've read it, it's completely apparent to me that Kim Richards couldn't find her own ass with both hands and a flashlight.

WHAT a dumbass!

[Persnickety1]

My first reaction to Kim's blog?

 

"It wasn't me, it was a friend."

 

Oldest ruse in the book.  Right up there with "the check's in the mail," "the dog ate my homework," and "my dog doesn't bite" (whoops, but Kim's dog DOES bite), and all those other cliched expressions of denial and deflection.

 

I don't believe that call was about any so-called friend.  If (and that's a big if) that phone call occurred, I'm sure it was all about Kim.

 

Everything is always all about Kim.  It's how she rolls.  

Edited February 13, 2015 by Persnickety1

[msblossom]

msblossom, I'm not interested in talking about the kid--which is why I didn't name names.  People were asking who Kim could possibly be talking about in the blog, and the only thing that would make sense to me, unless she's high, is the child who is dealing with mental illness.  That's it.

haydensterling, I apologize. I wasn't implying you were trying to gain information about Kim's son. I'm sorry! I was just stating in a matter of fact way to leave him out of it in general but not to you personally. I didn't communicate that well at all!

[haydensterling]

haydensterling, I apologize. I wasn't implying you were trying to gain information about Kim's son. I'm sorry! I was just stating in a matter of fact way to leave him out of it in general but not to you personally. I didn't communicate that well at all!

 

It's cool.  I was trying to give Kim some benefit of the doubt; something I don't often (or ever) do, and like I said, the only thing I could think of that would give anything she said in that blog any credibility whatsoever is if it was one of her kids.  Who knows, maybe the mystery call is about Kingsley!  Heh.

[Sincerely Yours]

During the argument the 2am call is brought up and during the exchange and because at that point they are all going back and forth so its not easy to catch, Kyle does say something about "do  you want to get into what that 2am call was about?" I think that's what Kim is referring to when she says Kyle was trying to speak on it. Brandi did mention that call as a way to point out how she is involved in Kim's life enough to have an opinion of stuff and know things that are going on in Kim's life but Kyle was the one that threw in that little threat. Kyle was the one to try and get more detailed about that convo or at least threw it out there pointedly for a reaction from Kim. I caught it during a rewatch.

[Umbelina]

Haven't Kyle's transgressions been covered endlessly as well?

 

Possibly her sainthood, and how wonderful she is, and how horrible it is for her.  Not much holding her accountable for anything, or criticizing her behavior.

[talula]

If in fact the 2 AM phone call was about a sensitive very private issue to Kim regarding another person, then why did her BFF Brandi bring it up in Eileen's driveway? 

 

Here's my theory: Brandi was so drunk/desperate to prove Kyle was a cold hearted sister that she didn't care about breaking Kim's confidence.  She disclosed it to show that she was more of a sister to Kim, in her hour of need, than Kyle. Kyle ignored the situation...whatever it was that night...Brandi was able to control Kim and remind her that Kyle's sisterly loyalty/support/sympathy was missing that night (of the 2 AM call). 

 

The secret has to be about something so devastating that Kim forgives Brandi (for mentioning the incident), but to this day is unable to forgive her sister.

 

Kyle doesn't understand why Kim is letting this slide and instead is upset with her for asking Brandi, at the mixer, to elaborate on what the 2 AM calls were about.  Kyle mentions in her blog that she was hoping to make a point she really didn't want Brandi to answer her question.  Duh...Kyle in trying to prove Brandi is the devil's spawn only further infuriated Kim for asking Brandi what that the content of the 2 AM calls were about while filming. To Kim this may have been crossing a line a sister wouldn't cross...throwing ones child under the bus (as Brandi did to Yolanda) to prove a point was not appreciated by Kim. 

 

The difference is Yolanda and Brandi are not sisters and Kim and Kyle are...causing an undeniable wedge issue between sisters.

 

IMO the sisters will get over it in time. 

Edited February 13, 2015 by RealityTVSmack1

[beaker73]

During the argument the 2am call is brought up and during the exchange and because at that point they are all going back and forth so its not easy to catch, Kyle does say something about "do  you want to get into what that 2am call was about?" I think that's what Kim is referring to when she says Kyle was trying to speak on it. Brandi did mention that call as a way to point out how she is involved in Kim's life enough to have an opinion of stuff and know things that are going on in Kim's life but Kyle was the one that threw in that little threat. Kyle was the one to try and get more detailed about that convo or at least threw it out there pointedly for a reaction from Kim. I caught it during a rewatch.

Now I interpreted it as this--Kyle was trying to illustrate to Kim that Brandi is not a true friend because she brought up the call on camera for the world to know about.  Had Brandi not mentioned it - the viewers would never had known the call happened.  

[izabella]

Now I interpreted it as this--Kyle was trying to illustrate to Kim that Brandi is not a true friend because she brought up the call on camera for the world to know about.  Had Brandi not mentioned it - the viewers would never had known the call happened.  

 

Yes, that's exactly how I interpreted it.  Brandi brings up the calls, Kyle says, "What Brandi?  See, Kim, Brandi keeps bringing up your 2am calls on camera," and Kim is all, "Wha?  Stop highlighting my addict behavior, Kyle!"

Edited February 13, 2015 by izabella

[beaker73]

Possibly her sainthood, and how wonderful she is, and how horrible it is for her.  Not much holding her accountable for anything, or criticizing her behavior.

Are you talking in the history of the show? Because I certainly remember the shit storm of hate that Kyle got after the S1 finale and all of S2 over on TWoP.  As far as this season, I really haven't seen any terrible behavior on Kyle's part and I'm saying this as someone who has never been a fan of hers.  I think dealing with Kim and her addiction(s) for the last 20+ years HAS been terrible for her.  One minute Kim says she loves her and she's her best friend and in the next breath she's allowing someone to talk all kinds of crap about her, her marriage, threatening physical harm to her and says nothing.  I don't blame Kyle for being angry.

[janie2002]

Kim is an addict, she will protect the person that allows her to get drunk, take pills or be high not the sister who has tried to make her accountable for her actions.

 

I think she will never be able to see that it was her enabler who all while hiding her secrets also tells Lisa that KIm is using again.

I think at this point I'd love to see Kim off my screen, because its going to be awkward once she overdoses and everyone has to pretend to be shocked.

[Jezebel97]

Kim's blog is up at Bravotv.com 

OMG, WTF ever, Kim, you imbecile

[zoeysmom]

During the argument the 2am call is brought up and during the exchange and because at that point they are all going back and forth so its not easy to catch, Kyle does say something about "do  you want to get into what that 2am call was about?" I think that's what Kim is referring to when she says Kyle was trying to speak on it. Brandi did mention that call as a way to point out how she is involved in Kim's life enough to have an opinion of stuff and know things that are going on in Kim's life but Kyle was the one that threw in that little threat. Kyle was the one to try and get more detailed about that convo or at least threw it out there pointedly for a reaction from Kim. I caught it during a rewatch.

Actually she asked Brandi if she wanted to elaborate-not for the purpose of elaborating but to illustrate Brandi was continuing to bring up these late night call(s) and out Kim's behavior.  of all the things in the world Kim has to be mad at Kyle about -this should not be one of them.  All I want to know is why, Brandi the nonjudgmental one, is making such a big flipping deal over Kyle and her reaction to hearing about her nutjob sister calling a cast mate in the middle of the night.  Brandi can't have it both ways demanding Kyle not mention it to Kim and then chastise Kyle for not helping Kim.

 

If the issues between Kyle and Brandi don't involve Kim what do they involve?

[bagger]

This from Kim's Blog:

 

"As I’ve mentioned before, their feud may seem like it’s all about me, but it is something much deeper and goes way back before this  happened with me. We’ve all seen how their relationship progressively has gone downhill throughout the seasons. I mean, you all saw how Kyle and Brandi really started blowing up at each other over personal attacks, not over my situation! I don’t even want to go over in detail what was said… I don’t agree with anything that came out of their mouths that night. I was, and maybe still am, hurt—hurt by Kyle’s words and the dynamic between us three."

 

 

Am I mistaken or did we not see Kyle and Brandi out hiking, presumably in a good place at the beginning of the season? When, before the poker party did we see a deterioration in their relationship over personal attacks? Reading Kim's blogs make me feel like I've lost all reading comprehension.

[WireWrap]

My first reaction to Kim's blog?

 

"It wasn't me, it was a friend."

 

Oldest ruse in the book.  Right up there with "the check's in the mail," "the dog ate my homework," and "my dog doesn't bite" (whoops, but Kim's dog DOES bite), and all those other cliched expressions of denial and deflection.

 

I don't believe that call was about any so-called friend.  If (and that's a big if) that phone call occurred, I'm sure it was all about Kim.

 

Everything is always all about Kim.  It's how she rolls.  

Her blog was....It isn't me, it isn't Brandi, it is Kyle's fault, all Kyle's fault! There is no way she watched either of the last 2 episodes with a clear/clean/sober head.

 

During the argument the 2am call is brought up and during the exchange and because at that point they are all going back and forth so its not easy to catch, Kyle does say something about "do  you want to get into what that 2am call was about?" I think that's what Kim is referring to when she says Kyle was trying to speak on it. Brandi did mention that call as a way to point out how she is involved in Kim's life enough to have an opinion of stuff and know things that are going on in Kim's life but Kyle was the one that threw in that little threat. Kyle was the one to try and get more detailed about that convo or at least threw it out there pointedly for a reaction from Kim. I caught it during a rewatch.

That would work had Brandi not been saying that to Kim , Kyle and everyone else over and over again. Brandi is the one that keeps repeating that and at some point a normal person would question why but not Kim. She just automatically blames her sister and gives her enabling BFF a pass.  

[breezy424]

Kim is messed up.  She needs professional help.  Period.

 

After seeing her behavior on the show and her last few blogs, the woman is in total denial.  Is she using?  I don't know.  But she surely is not entirely sane now nor was she when the show was filmed.  She definitely has some deep rooted anger at Kyle and is using this so called phone call as a tool to 'get' her.  And her blog?  She wants to make things better with her sister but she doesn't know how.  In other words, she's done nothing wrong.  Kyle hurt her.  Things will be better when Kyle 'understands' that she has to focus on Kim's needs.  Never mind that Kim has a responsibility in this.  It's very sad.

 

As for Brandi,  She won.  She wanted to get in between these two sisters.  She did.  She did a great job of brainwashing Kim.  I just wonder what Kim's other family member's take is on all this. 

[Mozelle]

Oh sure, it's a different roll. I'm just saying that it has become obvious to me that LisaV does not want to be on RHBH and is there for the paycheck. She is interacting with the women exactly as much as she needs to to fulfill her contract and not one second more. And that's a shift for her. Sure she could always be bitchy and get in fights, but she used to act like she enjoyed being a part of the show, even if just to make jokes or whatever. This season, not so much. She's visually miserable every time she has to film with the rest of the cast. And I think the show has suffered for it.

 

Brandi's bullshit aside, I was enjoying the show in the beginning of the season. Lisa has her show; there's no need for her to act put upon about being in the RHOBH cast. Honestly, I think that Lisa is still upset that people called her on her ish, which is why she's not going all out the way she did before. It's only fun for Lisa when she can make digs but not have to answer to one of the women saying, "Wait. Hold up now..."

 

During the argument the 2am call is brought up and during the exchange and because at that point they are all going back and forth so its not easy to catch, Kyle does say something about "do  you want to get into what that 2am call was about?"

I think this is what Kim (and Brandi, of course) is misunderstanding. Just before that moment, Brandi was screeching about the 2 AM phone call(s) (again), to which Kyle asked, "Oh, do you want to say more about that?" It wasn't Kyle actually asking for details and information. She was trying to call to Kim's attention that Brandi was screeching about this information that was so troubling and upsetting and sensitive. Like, "Do you hear what she's saying?" I definitely caught what Kyle was doing there. Kim didn't because she's poised to blame Kyle for everything. 

Edited February 13, 2015 by Mozelle

[motorcitymom65]

Possibly her sainthood, and how wonderful she is, and how horrible it is for her.  Not much holding her accountable for anything, or criticizing her behavior.

It is funny, because I never in a million years would have expected to read something like this about Kyle. I would find it hard to believe that any other HW has been judged more often, in some cases fairly and in some cases unfairly, than she has. She has been a lightning rod for controversy since S1.

I haven't read here or anywhere else that folks suddenly think she is a Saint. I have read over and over again comments from folks that don't particularly care for her, from folks who think she could and should handle some things differently, but at the end of the day just think that she is the one who is right in this situation. Her version of events and the situations fit more closely with what we are seeing. Her saying that Brandi seems to be trying to get between K&K, and Kim's refusal to stand up for Kyle at all, fits what we have seen on TV. It's not a matter of liking her. It's a matter of having a certain level of empathy for her situation. That doesn't mean that she doesn't still possess a lot of the traits that make people dislike her overall, or that everyone is all of the sudden in love with her.

[Avaleigh]

Haven't Kyle's transgressions been covered endlessly as well?

They definitely have. Brandi, Lisa, Kyle, and Kim take a beating on social media and message boards all the time. King David and the Lemon Queen used to get it a lot too but things have eased up on her this season and she's in a position where people are feeling fairly sympathetic what with the Lyme, Bella, and finding herself in the position of still being friends with a ticking time bomb. 

 

Eileen and LisaR haven't been around long enough yet for people to have formed super negative opinions yet plus they're just so much more likable than Brandi or Kim that they already kind of have it easy in that sense. I've enjoyed most of their solo scenes save the Medford stuff. Brandi can mock the Burbank Film Festival all she wants but I'll take seeing the ladies having fun with something like that over Brandi's boring podcast. I even liked the moment at the concession stand where the ladies had to choose between hot dogs and chicken fingers.

 

ETA:

 

Oh and Kim can GTFO if she wants me to believe her phone call story where she just happens to be protecting somebody else.

 

If it was about somebody else why would Brandi inject it into the conversation as a point that she was supportive of Kim and why wouldn't Kim then contradict Brandi by pointing out that the single 2am phone call wasn't even about her? 

 

And somehow in Kim's mind this all makes sense.

Edited February 13, 2015 by Avaleigh

[Sincerely Yours]

Now I interpreted it as this--Kyle was trying to illustrate to Kim that Brandi is not a true friend because she brought up the call on camera for the world to know about.  Had Brandi not mentioned it - the viewers would never had known the call happened.  

But Brandi only mentioned it without going into detail. I don't think mentioning it was that big a deal and Kim didn't seem to flinch either when Brandi brought it up. I don't think Brandi was trying to go there I think Brandi was just trying to prove to Kyle that yeah, Brandi is a significant friend and to prove it used the call as an example. The details of that call wasn't even relevant, at least not to me, UNTIL Kyle breathed life into by saying what she said. Either way Kyle was the one that gave life to the now infamous 2am call. A call at 2am could mean anything from having a good cry, unloading, venting etc. etc. I didn't take it to mean anything other than Kim having an emotional night, maybe crying or feeling down or whatever and up until Kyle said what she said and everyone erupted the way they did I thought Brandi's 2am call comment was pretty much a throw away detail.

[chlban]

Possibly her sainthood, and how wonderful she is, and how horrible it is for her.  Not much holding her accountable for anything, or criticizing her behavior.

That is simply not true. I'm not a fan of  Kyle. She grates at me for a number of reasons I can't really express clearly, but she always has. However, i don't find her vile as I do Brandi. Up until this season I only found Kim borihg and stupid but now she too has reached vile levels. But I have seen plenty of complaints about Kyle. I would say she was probably second only to Brandi as being hated until this season when, once again, her sister has come out ahead. Meaning I think more people now hate Kim, but Kyle is still very, unpopular, IMO.

 

Personally, I am sick of watching the dynamic that is the Richards Sisters. If they both go, I am perfectly fine with that. If Kyle stays, whatever. I am fine with that too.  However, I think the vast majority of the viewers see that, at this point, Kim has to go. She is not sober. I have never believed she was, and this season has clearly removed all doubt. She has shown everyone what a self centered, selfish, nasty bitch she really is.

 

So, is Brandi more hated than Kyle? Yep, no doubt. I think Kim is as well, although there are some kind souls that still give her some slack because of her addictions. I don't, but many do. But, without a scientific poll, my guess would be that Kyle would  come in third on the hate scale. I hardly think that puts her in "Saint" status 

[beaker73]

But Brandi only mentioned it without going into detail. I don't think mentioning it was that big a deal and Kim didn't seem to flinch either when Brandi brought it up. I don't think Brandi was trying to go there I think Brandi was just trying to prove to Kyle that yeah, Brandi is a significant friend and to prove it used the call as an example. The details of that call wasn't even relevant, at least not to me, UNTIL Kyle breathed life into by saying what she said. Either way Kyle was the one that gave life to the now infamous 2am call. A call at 2am could mean anything from having a good cry, unloading, venting etc. etc. I didn't take it to mean anything other than Kim having an emotional night, maybe crying or feeling down or whatever and up until Kyle said what she said and everyone erupted the way they did I thought Brandi's 2am call comment was pretty much a throw away detail.

I respectfully and wholeheartedly disagree. If Kim was merely "having a good cry, unloading or venting" why would Brandi feel the need to call Kyle? Edited February 14, 2015 by beaker73

[Sincerely Yours]

Actually she asked Brandi if she wanted to elaborate-not for the purpose of elaborating but to illustrate Brandi was continuing to bring up these late night call(s) and out Kim's behavior. 

I think that makes it worse. "Would you care to elaborate Brandi". Well that sounds like a risky challenge to engage in just to prove a point and a pretty meanspirited way to suggest Brandi is doing something wrong. Saying that she is having late night conversations with Kim is NOT outing anyone. I don't get how Brandi outlining the fact that she talks to Kim regularly and is the person Kim is able to call at any time, morning noon or night is something bad she's doing to Kim? And before the party how many times did Brandi bring up the call? Once at the wine tasting I think? and Kyle wasn't even at the table was she?

I respectively and wholeheartedly disagree.  If Kim was merely "having a good cry, unloading or venting" why would Brandi feel the need to call Kyle?

Because Kim is an addict and people worry about things that wouldn't have much of an impact on the average person but may be a very real trigger for an addict and felt Kyle should know the state her sister was in?

 

Plus, I bring other people on board if a close friend is feeling particularly down. Doesn't have to be life changing stuff before I share that we need to rally for a friend addict or not.  Just saying

Edited February 13, 2015 by Sincerely Yours

[Trooper York]

It will be extremely interesting to see how our Lady of the Lemons extricates herself from Tampon Sally. It seems that the process has begun in this episodes and the only question is will the process be complete by the reunion?

[bagger]

I think that makes it worse. "Would you care to elaborate Brandi". Well that sounds like a risky challenge to engage in just to prove a point and a pretty meanspirited way to suggest Brandi is doing something wrong. Saying that she is having late night conversations with Kim is NOT outing anyone. I don't get how Brandi outlining the fact that she talks to Kim regularly and is the person Kim is able to call at any time, morning noon or night is something bad she's doing to Kim? And before the party how many times did Brandi bring up the call? Once at the wine tasting I think? and Kyle wasn't even at the table was she?

When you're trying to reason with someone and that isn't working and you're at your whits end you take whatever risk you have to take to try to make them see the light. There is nothing wrong with pointing out that you're there for someone unless you're only doing it to one up a third party that hasn't tried to infer otherwise. No one has challenged that Brandi and Kim talk regularly and that they share personal information yet Brandi is trying to beat Kyle over the head by implying that these late night calls mean that 1. Kyle is not there for her sister and 2 that she, Brandi is more important in Kim's pathetic life than her sister.

[Otherkate]

Possibly her sainthood, and how wonderful she is, and how horrible it is for her.  Not much holding her accountable for anything, or criticizing her behavior.

 

I guess for this season, Kyle hasn't been on the receiving end of a ton of negative comments, that is true. But, man, all I remember for years is constant posting about how much Kyle sucked - including from me. Brandi and Kim have managed to make Kyle look good in a way that she could never manage herself.

[Trooper York]

I think that is spot on. I was a big fan of Kim but she lost me this year. She has gone beyond the bend this season. 

 

In comparison Kyle looks pretty good. 

 

Maybe that is why Brandi is hanging with Kim. Kim is her DUFF. "Drunken Underwear Flashing Floozie."

 

Hey that's a movie right there I tells ya!

[thewhiteowl]

 

Plus, I bring other people on board if a close friend is feeling particularly down. Doesn't have to be life changing stuff before I share that we need to rally for a friend addict or not.  Just saying

 

 That's a nice thing to do but not at 2 am, for a friend of a friend or whatever nonsense Kim is prattling on about. If it wasn't an emergency why the hell call at 2 am and why is Kyle a bad person for just going back to sleep if it is not even about Kim?  Kim would not know the truth if it bit her in the ass.

 

[zoeysmom]

I think that makes it worse. "Would you care to elaborate Brandi". Well that sounds like a risky challenge to engage in just to prove a point and a pretty meanspirited way to suggest Brandi is doing something wrong. Saying that she is having late night conversations with Kim is NOT outing anyone. I don't get how Brandi outlining the fact that she talks to Kim regularly and is the person Kim is able to call at any time, morning noon or night is something bad she's doing to Kim? And before the party how many times did Brandi bring up the call? Once at the wine tasting I think? and Kyle wasn't even at the table was she?

Because Kim is an addict and people worry about things that wouldn't have much of an impact on the average person but may be a very real trigger for an addict and felt Kyle should know the state her sister was in?

 

Plus, I bring other people on board if a close friend is feeling particularly down. Doesn't have to be life changing stuff before I share that we need to rally for a friend addict or not.  Just saying

You need to read Kim's blog. Kim clearly states all three parties knew what was being discussed.  It was up to Kim or Brandi to say -no I don't want to elaborate and Brandi to say I will stop bringing it up. Kim is apparently embarrassed by the reveal and Kyle knew Kim was embarrassed but mostly Brandi should not have been bludgeoning Kyle with Kim's 2 am calls.  Once again we have Brandi LYING about the nature of the calls according to both sisters.  Brandi is the one pushing the Kim has fallen off the wagon story.

[Avaleigh]

But Brandi only mentioned it without going into detail. I don't think mentioning it was that big a deal and Kim didn't seem to flinch either when Brandi brought it up. I don't think Brandi was trying to go there I think Brandi was just trying to prove to Kyle that yeah, Brandi is a significant friend and to prove it used the call as an example. The details of that call wasn't even relevant, at least not to me, UNTIL Kyle breathed life into by saying what she said. Either way Kyle was the one that gave life to the now infamous 2am call. A call at 2am could mean anything from having a good cry, unloading, venting etc. etc. I didn't take it to mean anything other than Kim having an emotional night, maybe crying or feeling down or whatever and up until Kyle said what she said and everyone erupted the way they did I thought Brandi's 2am call comment was pretty much a throw away detail.

People were talking about the 2am phone call before Kyle tried to point out to Kim what Brandi was doing by mentioning it in the first place. Brandi brought up the 2am phone calls more than once on Poker Night and tried to use it as a way to manipulate Kim when Kim tried to go after Kyle to make things better. It the 2am call didn't have anything to do with Kim then Kim's reaction makes even less sense than it already had. If Brandi was talking with Kim about Kim's issues though rather than a friend or family member's then Kim's loyalty to Brandi makes a bit more sense. Not much but a bit.

 

The moment Brandi brought up the 2am phone call people started questioning whether or not Kim was having issues with her sobriety so that coupled with Brandi flat out saying that Kim had fallen off the wagon is IMO what led people to focus more on the 2 am phone call.

 

Kyle bringing it up seemed to be an attempt to get Kim to wake the fuck up but it unfortunately failed because Kim is suspicious of Kyle and her motives for whatever reason. It's said that Kim is so damaged that she can't see through someone like Brandi who is so obviously using and manipulating her.