S05.E11: It's Just A Scratch

[announcergirl]

IMO Brandi was wrong. Period.

[hypnotoad]

 

If she wasn't aware that her poker night didn't have a 99% probability of devolving into a screaming profanity laced shit fest then that's on her.  There's tons of footage of exactly that behavior happening in exactly that circumstance with exactly those same people.  So yeah, have your kid sleep over at Grandma's house or don't complain about your kid being exposed that crap.  At Lisa R's jewelry party Eileen walked over to Brandi to supposedly clear the air or in Bravo terms attmpt fo resurrect the problem and rehash it.  Didn't work because Brandi wasn't playing but nice try.  I like Eileen for the most part but she can keep her condescending "I'm better than you because I know what a bilini is" bullshit.

 

Yep, that Eileen sure is a terrible person. I mean she should have guessed that Kim would chose this night to get high. She should have known she couldn't have a party without Brandi acting like a drunken idiot. All Eileen's fault.

 

And I guess it's perfectly okay for Brandi to toss wine into Eileen's face. It's okay for Brandi to basically call Eileen's home ugly when she's a guest. And it's perfectly okay for Brandi to throw Eileen under the bus in her stupid blog and pretend there was no food at the party.

 

Maybe Eileen hasn't watched all the old eps of the show because she has 2 jobs and a lot of lines to learn. Maybe she didn't watch all of the eps so she could go into this mess without preconceived ideas. Oh and I think she has a right to expect a modicum of good behavior during a simple poker party, so she wouldn't have to send her son to grandma's.

 

As far as I'm concerned, Eileen has been far nicer to Brandi than she deserves. Brandi is awful all of the time.

 

And Lisa R was a bit bitchy about the outfit Brandi was wearing to her kids school? Good! Brandi actually thought that was appropriate?!?

 

 

The proper thing would have been to come to me before talking to Kyle about it behind my back.

 

This from Brandi's blog is absolutely hilarious. It seems to me, Yo and Eileen tried that and look where it got them. Eileen got the worlds worst apology to her face and then Brandi in her TH, completely disrespected Eileen again. What a POS this chick is!

 

 

Unless you want to watch polite card games, tea and dogs with Lisa, or weepy sending the kids off to school or jobs stories non stop.  House porn goes a long way, but it doesn't keep viewers forever.

 

As long as I would no longer have to look at Brandi anymore, I'd be perfectly okay with that. Furthermore, they can get another cast member or two to mix things up. Brandi is not the be all and end all of this show.

[sasha206]

Reality shows may need a villain to create some drama but most of them can, at times, be remotely charming.  There is absolutely nothing charming about Brandi.  For all of her cries about adultery, she has been inappropriate with at least two of the husbands of her friends.  And if she's not sitting on their laps or flirting with them, she's talking about fingerbanging at parties.  She bullies.  And I don't care how many black friends she trots out she has made racially offensive comments.

 

She has no redeeming qualities.  I'll take a show with strong women, strong personalities, who have done something in their lives other than make a living off of being the scorned wife.

[Umbelina]

Brandi's been obnoxious.  Drinking too much (and she can't hold her booze) and the wine toss, comments about Eileen's house, and God-Awful "finger banging" song moment are atrocious, and made me cringe.

 

That doesn't make the others less boring.

 

It also doesn't dilute my dislike of Kyle. 

 

I can easily be bugged by both of them.

 

So, do I believe Kyle wanted her camera moment, at Kim's expense?  Yes I do.  She's been at the bottom of poles for years, mostly about that limo moment, and because of her endless attacks on Lisa V, and friendship with the morally corrupt Faye Resnick.  This was her chance to be "the good sister, the martyr, the victim" and nothing was going to stop her, so she grabbed Brandi repeatedly, but Brandi pushed her off.  Kyle sucks.

 

Do I believe Brandi was sincere (if deluded and used by Kim) in trying to save Kim from that, and help her get out of there to avoid humiliation in front of cameras, and pull herself together?  Yes.  I do.  That doesn't excuse Brandi for her other sins, or for her drunken and clumsy, maudlin attempts to achieve that.

 

One being bad doesn't make the other one good to me.  They both have issues.

 

Of course they can replace anyone, they have, and they will again.  I'm just saying with THIS particular cast, it would be a boring season without their scapegoat Brandi (who is playing right into everyone's hands with her immature and lame behavior.)  stirring up trouble.  I guess they could use Kim's substance abuse issues for fodder, but to me, that would be even worse.

 

ETA  <giggle>  I'm keeping my "poles" instead of "polls" typo, in honor of Kyle's stripper fantasy.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Umbelina

[rubyred]

Yeah I disagree too that Brandi is the only thing that makes RHOBH interesting. Eileen isn't just "sedate", we've seen her being goofy with her husband, learning to paddleboard and in her THs. LisaR is a natural extrovert. I find LisaV's schtick boring but I can see she serves a purpose as a representative of a certain BH lifestyle, as does Kyle. Kyle is important as an anchor HW because her story is more accessible than the other women's -- not everyone can be a glamourous actress or British restaurant owner, but there are plenty of SAHMs with husbands with normal jobs like real estate. Her lifestyle is just on a different level, and that's interesting (to me) to see.

 

Kim had a purpose in season 1, and IMO was arguably the best "get" on the show initially, because she had the name recognition. But at this point the show doesn't need her, in fact does quite well when she doesn't show up. Sorry not sorry Kim. You blew it.

 

Yolanda is not as interesting as she thinks she is, but she does represent a certain strata of BH; but there are others who would probably be more authentic and interesting.

 

Brandi brings nothing to the party that I don't consider trifling, unpleasant, and boring in its banality. In fact she makes me unwilling to watch the show at all. And despite her blog, I wouldn't be all surprised to find there's footage on the cutting room floor of LisaR telling her to her face that she needs rehab.

 

I don't need to watch driveway brawls and catfights to be entertained. I would like to see house porn, amazing vacations, fashion, parties,  a light sprinkling of family stuff, behind-the-scenes this and that, and the occasional scripted silliness, with genuine reactions and relationship development. Are you napping? Have I bored you all? Heh.

[hypnotoad]

 

Do I believe Brandi was sincere (if deluded and used by Kim) in trying to save Kim from that, and help her get out of there to avoid humiliation in front of cameras, and pull herself together?  Yes.  I do.

 

I completely disagree. Brandi doesn't have a sincere bone in her body. She couldn't care less about Kim or Kim's issues. She cares about Brandi and Brandi's time in the spotlight. She needed a storyline this season and she's lost Lisa V - so time to stir up trouble with the Richards sisters.

 

 

I don't need to watch driveway brawls and catfights to be entertained. I would like to see house porn, amazing vacations, fashion, parties,  a light sprinkling of family stuff, behind-the-scenes this and that, and the occasional scripted silliness, with genuine reactions and relationship development. Are you napping? Have I bored you all? Heh.

 

I'd rather watch that than any of Brandi's nonsense. And you are absolutely correct, the boring one is Brandi. She is sad, predictable and brings nothing ... I mean nothing to this show. She is the very definition of the square peg that doesn't fit.

[sasha206]

OMG, Bravo with that "first look" of another derogatory "My Gays" episode.  I am so tired of these women, with Bravo's support, treating homosexuality as their favorite accessory or novelty act.

[DebbieM4]

Cosigning all of this.

 

My problem with the mental illness over diagnosis is people seem to just write off everything that person does as something that can't be helped.  Sometimes a person who insults the hostess, makes crass comments about fingerbanging, manipulates an addict is just a very awful human being making awful choices, not someone who is mentally ill.

 

And I agree with you too!

 

Brandi's constant, "This is who I am",  truth cannon stuff is nothing more than an excuse.  We all have impulses that we know not to act out on.  We all get frustrated, angry, whatever, and it would feel really good if we could just scream, call people names, blurt out every naughty word that pops into our head, and verbally attack people we don't like.  But we live in a civilized society and most of us have been brought up with the Golden Rule.  It's disruptive, annoying, and rude to do what we want with no thought to anyone else.  And it's immature and childish to give in to every impulse and then shrug it off as, "I'm just being honest.  This is who I am", as though it's some kind of virtue to act like a spoiled self-centered brat.  She has not the slightest interest in playing well with others.  She's mean and she loves being mean, and her behavior is totally her choice.  She desperately wants to fit in with these women, but has gone about it in the worst possible way, yet has learned nothing.  

 

Her refusal to interact in a civil manner speaks volumes.  If she disagrees with someone, it's immediately, "STFU!"  at an unbearably high volume.  (I'm not sure how explicit we can be here.)   How many shocked faces do we need to see time after time at dinner after dinner!   For some bizarre reason, she thinks this persona she's created is working for her.   And she's much too stubborn & childish to see that it's not.   I have zero sympathy for her because every single thing she does is her own choice.

[zoeysmom]

Kim and Kyle discussed the whole school/not school jealousy thing during season 1.  (I believe.)  Kyle still denies being jealous of Kim's success, and her lack of it, I don't believe her.  I specifically remember one scene where Kim was saying she never got to do "normal" things, like learning to put on make up.  Kyle was applying make up to Kim at the time.  There were others.

 

As far as child protection laws in Hollywood, they have improved, yet we still hear about abuses, including sexual today.  They weren't as strong when Kim was young.  She was a busy child.  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001668/

 

Also, rejection for roles is hard enough for adults to deal with, I certainly can imagine it left scars or kids, both when Kim was no longer the young kid/quick study or as desirable for roles, and the many times Kyle wasn't chosen.

 

I also wonder who gave Kim the first drink or pill.  Druggie big sister Kathy?  Big Kathy to wake her up for an early call, or calm her enough to sleep after a long or exciting day on the set?  Or some Hollywood sleaze just for kicks?  I also wonder how old she was.  Has she ever said?

 

ETA I don't think they should BLAME their mother, just accept that mom was not perfect, and did the best she could, but that may not have been the best thing for them.  If they could accept that mom made some mistakes that they are still paying for, and talk about them, they might be able to heal.  Saying "mom did the best she could, but I wish..." is not unhealthy.  That pedestal is.

Saying someone is jealous of a sibling because that sibling is more successful in a childhood endeavor than they were is a pretty broad statement.  I guess the really jealous sister would be Kathy Hilton because she had a nothing career as a child actress.  Kim sounds like a moron saying no one ever taught her how to put make up on.  Was she in a coma when the hair and make up people were doing her hair and make-up for a shoot? If anything she had far better training than 99.999999% of the entire female population in the art of applying make-up. 

 

Unless someone claims to have been sexually abused I find it abhorrent to suggest it.  At the time Kim was performing the parent must be able to see/hear rule was in effect at all times on the set.  Well I guess we will never know how many roles Kim or Kyle were turned down for and I don't think either has ever expressed any deep scarring from the rejection.

 

Kim doesn't talk about specifics of her drug and alcohol use or onset, my assumption is she doesn't want to make it public. Maybe it was one of her famous co-stars at someone famous home.  Watch Episode 1 Season 1 Kyle is quite forthcoming about her mother and her imperfections and how they did not have a normal childhood.  This  episode before last  Kyle expressed that her mother's demand for secrecy regarding Kim's alcoholism was not healthy for her.  

[Umbelina]

I didn't say or imply Kim was sexually abused.  I have no idea if she was or wasn't.  Or even if Big Kathy arranged it as she reportedly did for little Kathy.

 

I said the child actor laws are stronger NOW than they were then, and there have been many recent reports of sexual abuse of child actors.

 

Kathy was the hero to her mom, she was the first to nab the rich husband, a Hilton at that.  It was a bigger deal than working constantly from the age of 7 or whatever it was for Kim.  Of course, later Kim, then Kyle nabbed their rich husbands too.

[njbchlover]

Dear Brandi,

 

Lisa R saying you need rehab is not a "Won't you think of the Children" moment. You being photographed drunk off your ass with your tampon string hanging out, is.

 

Signed,

The viewers of RHOBH

 

EXACTLY!!!!

To me, it's more that Lisa R WAS thinking of Brandi's kids - so that they could possibly salvage somewhat of a normal childhood with a normal parent...

[tabloidlover]

Biggest pet peeve -- hearing  "my SISTER"  every other sentence!   I swear, if I had even a half a shot every time that phrase was uttered, I would be un-fucking-conscious 15 minutes into the show.   And these are grown ass women (tm Eileen)  Son of a gun!! 

[swankie]

I don't know what type of cancer he has or if he is having chemo treatments and needs to be taken back and forth on treatment days but  I believe he moved in because he is lonely and between wives.

 

 

Kim said Monty has lung cancer.

[Rhetorica]

Looks like Kyle has set up the 2015 version of a flyer display. Why confine your advertising to the foyer when your kid can have 21K followers? Portia has her own Twitter page, capturing all the cute things she says to mommy. Precious. ;-)

I'm sorry. Kyle's an ass.

ETA Link: https://twitter.com/portiaumansky

I dunno....To me, some of these quotes seem like something a mom would say her kid said, rather than the kid actually saying them.

[BluishGreen]

I didn't say or imply Kim was sexually abused.  I have no idea if she was or wasn't.  Or even if Big Kathy arranged it as she reportedly did for little Kathy.

 

I said the child actor laws are stronger NOW than they were then, and there have been many recent reports of sexual abuse of child actors.

 

Kathy was the hero to her mom, she was the first to nab the rich husband, a Hilton at that.  It was a bigger deal than working constantly from the age of 7 or whatever it was for Kim.  Of course, later Kim, then Kyle nabbed their rich husbands too.

 

Am I reading this correctly? -- Big Kathy "arranged" for Little Kathy to be sexually molested?  That is a pretty big statement and one I never heard before... but then, I usually limit my reading about these characters to this site and Bravo, so I guess there is a lot I don't know...Geez.

[Higgins]

I am not so sure how well  Kim did in caring for her mother. Both her parents died close to each other time wise and Kim was an addict, a full blown addict, when her father died. Kim had him stay at her house when he came to LA for treatments as well but he could not take her wacked out behavior, her kids jumping on his bed as he lay there in enormous pain. That is according to Kim's step-mom who was present the whole time. It was so bad in her house that they decided to leave and go back to Vegas to stay with her daughter until the end. When he was in the hospital dying, Kim went to Vegas to see him but went to the casino's instead to drink, get high and party. She never saw her father alive again after he left her house. I think it is most likely that Kim was abusing when she was caring for her and that she had a lot of help, not just her sisters but Hospice help.

 

ETA, Ken Richards died in 1998, 2 years before Big Kathy and Kim was an active, very active addict then. Big Kathy died in 2002, I highly doubt that Kim was clean/sober when she got sick or if she was, that she stayed clean throughout her mothers final months. JMO

 

The e-cigs that are harmful are the fruit "vapor" cigs. Not the tobacco flavored e-cigs, they do not contain the garbage the fruit tasting ones do.

 

Where do you get the information that the fruit flavored e cigs/ vape juice is more dangerous? Also where do you get so much info on the Richards family?

 

Saying someone is jealous of a sibling because that sibling is more successful in a childhood endeavor than they were is a pretty broad statement.  I guess the really jealous sister would be Kathy Hilton because she had a nothing career as a child actress.  Kim sounds like a moron saying no one ever taught her how to put make up on.  Was she in a coma when the hair and make up people were doing her hair and make-up for a shoot? If anything she had far better training than 99.999999% of the entire female population in the art of applying make-up. 

 

Unless someone claims to have been sexually abused I find it abhorrent to suggest it.  At the time Kim was performing the parent must be able to see/hear rule was in effect at all times on the set.  Well I guess we will never know how many roles Kim or Kyle were turned down for and I don't think either has ever expressed any deep scarring from the rejection.

 

Kim doesn't talk about specifics of her drug and alcohol use or onset, my assumption is she doesn't want to make it public. Maybe it was one of her famous co-stars at someone famous home.  Watch Episode 1 Season 1 Kyle is quite forthcoming about her mother and her imperfections and how they did not have a normal childhood.  This  episode before last  Kyle expressed that her mother's demand for secrecy regarding Kim's alcoholism was not healthy for her.  

I think what Kim meant is that she didn't have girlfriends during her adolescence like most of us did, hanging out in the bathroom playing with makeup and doing our hair at sleepovers. Is that something she might have missed while she was busy earning a living for her family?

[Umbelina]

I* believe Monty has only been married twice.   First to Kim for 2 years, soon after to Terri Lynn Doss for 3 years.  3 kids total. 
 
ETA

Am I reading this correctly? -- Big Kathy "arranged" for Little Kathy to be sexually molested?  That is a pretty big statement and one I never heard before... but then, I usually limit my reading about these characters to this site and Bravo, so I guess there is a lot I don't know...Geez.

From House of Hilton. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-414603/The-Hideous-Hiltons.html

Like any mother, Kathleen Richards wanted the best for her daughter, Kathy. Where she differed from other mothers was in the way she intended to get it. She wanted her child to know all about sex, and to learn how to perform, literally, so she asked a young man to give her teenage daughter 'sex lessons' in his van.

 

The book was really interesting, it definitely seemed like a bunch was true, but we may never know for real.

 

I think reading it did shade my opinions of the some of reasons behind Kim and Kyle's issues.  It was a different childhood.
 

Edited January 30, 2015 by Umbelina

[Avaleigh]

Is that something she might have missed while she was busy earning a living for her family?

 

 

Kyle says that the idea that Kim was earning a living for the family is a misconception and I'm inclined to believe her. If Kyle is to be believed their father was reasonably successful in his own right. This isn't to say that Big Kathy wasn't happy that Kim and Kyle were earning. I just don't quite think that Kim was the family breadwinner as is sometimes suggested.

 

Taking the rest of my post to Kim's thread.

[Higgins]

Did their father die a wealthy man?

[DebbieM4]

 

 Brandi's blerg, umm blog is typical, she does ridiculous and hurtful things but she's a victim because they had the nerve to respond in kind. Seen it. yawn.

 

This hits the nail on the head.  Perfectly stated.

 

Her lack of self-awareness is truly staggering.

[RealityTVSmack]

Yikes who does this sound like...we've been describing her for pages?

 

"To sum up the above (as well as extend it), when criticized, narcissists--acutely sensitive to negative evaluation--can begin to experience anxiety or degradation. A certain shame at their non-family-bonded core may rise perilously close to consciousness. So, by way of safeguarding themselves from such never-resolved feelings of worthlessness or defeat, they're likely to react to present-day threats with contempt or defiance, or with a verbal violence frequently referred to as "narcissistic rage."

 

Another way of putting this is that, exquisitely susceptible to criticism because it endangers their frail sense of internal validation, they take great pains to devalue or invalidate the person criticizing them. To achieve such dismissal of the threatening other, they'll do everything possible to negate their viewpoint. And this can include much more than blaming or indignantly challenging them. For narcissists, when their position has been exposed as false, arbitrary, or untenable, will suddenly become evasive, articulate half-truths, lie (actually, as much to themselves as others), flat-out contradict themselves (and to a degree that can leave the other person gaping!), and freely rewrite history (literally--and audaciously--making things up as they go along). This is why at such times they don't seem adults so much as six-year-olds. And in fact, when others inadvertently trigger mini emotional crises in them, there's little doubt that, both cognitively and emotionally, they can regress to a maturity level of that age (or less)."

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/evolution-the-self/201110/the-narcissists-dilemma-they-can-dish-it-out

Edited January 30, 2015 by RealityTVSmack

[Umbelina]

Big Kathy married mobster (later convicted) Jack Catain when Kyle was about 11.  Her dad divorced her mom when she was 3, and reportedly later died bankrupt.

[Higgins]

So her dad didn't support them?

[zoeysmom]

I* believe Monty has only been married twice.   First to Kim for 2 years, soon after to Terri Lynn Doss for 3 years.  3 kids total. 

 

ETA

From House of Hilton. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-414603/The-Hideous-Hiltons.html

The book was really interesting, it definitely seemed like a bunch was true, but we may never know for real.

 

I think reading it did shade my opinions of the some of reasons behind Kim and Kyle's issues.  It was a different childhood.

 

What kind of maggot of a human being writes about a third hand account of woman arranging to have her daughter sexually abused.  There are no ages or anything assigned to this story from the wife of the ex-husband of Big Kathy.  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-spinoffs-hilton22nov22-story.html

 

Very strange a grown man set his sights and "talents" on further dirtying the reputation of a twenty something year old celebutante and her family.  Paris' biggest crime was being annoying.

So her dad didn't support them?

Kim and Kyle's father supported them. Bought the family home made mortgage payments did all the things a parent does.  Kim's job and the reason they moved to California was only on for two seasons. 

[FozzyBear]

Kyle says that the idea that Kim was earning a living for the family is a misconception and I'm inclined to believe her. If Kyle is to be believed their father was reasonably successful in his own right. This isn't to say that Big Kathy wasn't happy that Kim and Kyle were earning. I just don't quite think that Kim was the family breadwinner as is sometimes suggested.

Taking the rest of my post to Kim's thread.

I've always kind of wonder about this. I think it's possible Kim is exaggerating the importance of her income as a child or that Big Kathy exaggerated it at the time as a way to keep Kim focused on going to work instead of goofing off. On the other hand, would Kyle know? I mean there are 5 years between them, right? And Kim was married and out of the house by 18. Say her peak earning years were 13-16 would an 8-11 year old Kyle have known or understood enough about the family finances to gage how much was riding on Kim's paycheck. If not, she would more or less be left with whatever Big Kathy told her. Even today Kyle isn't exactly comfertable questioning her mother's opinions so...

[breezy424]

Jerry Oppenheimer, the author of House of Hilton, is well know for writing unauthorized biographies of famous people.  He relies heavily on gossip, unnamed sources and 'insiders' that aren't all that inside such as estranged friends and spouses who have an axe to grind.  I take anything he writes with a grain of salt.  He's like the tabloid of biographies.

 

Is House of Hilton bible?  Not by a long shot.  Sure, there are things in there that are true but there's also a lot of gossip.

[zoeysmom]

Where do you get the information that the fruit flavored e cigs/ vape juice is more dangerous? Also where do you get so much info on the Richards family?

 

I think what Kim meant is that she didn't have girlfriends during her adolescence like most of us did, hanging out in the bathroom playing with makeup and doing our hair at sleepovers. Is that something she might have missed while she was busy earning a living for her family?

Kim and Kyle's acting contributed to the family's income-it was not the sole source. 

I've always kind of wonder about this. I think it's possible Kim is exaggerating the importance of her income as a child or that Big Kathy exaggerated it at the time as a way to keep Kim focused on going to work instead of goofing off. On the other hand, would Kyle know? I mean there are 5 years between them, right? And Kim was married and out of the house by 18. Say her peak earning years were 13-16 would an 8-11 year old Kyle have known or understood enough about the family finances to gage how much was riding on Kim's paycheck. If not, she would more or less be left with whatever Big Kathy told her. Even today Kyle isn't exactly comfertable questioning her mother's opinions so...

I have always wondered why Kim is resentful of Kyle over her mother's decisions.  A child has no way of dictating where and what her parents spend-regardless of the source.

[swankie]

Kyle being able to turn Portia into a child star and beyond would be the ultimate FU to both Kim and Kathy -- She's been working on that project steadily from the very beginning.  You can already see a once sweet and unspoiled child turning into a self-conscious camera princess.  Woman's got no shame and no sense.

 

 

If nobody groomed their child to be a child star then who would play the children's roles in movies, sitcoms, commercials, etc.?  As long as the child isn't being treated badly, I don't see a problem with it.  It's not like Portia would be the sole income for the family and from what I've seen of Kyle's parenting, I don't think Portia is going to be a brat.  She already makes her clean up after herself and doesn't indulge her every want.  As beautiful as she is, if she were my child I might take her to a few auditions my own self.

[renatae]

Maybe. But Kyle has a foundation for fighting dirty with Kim. Kim has put her through the ringer and when she gets drunk/high her target always seems to be her sister.

Whereas, Brandi has no reason to fight dirty with Kyle. She keeps saying she's protecting Kim, but clearly Kim doesn't like it when Brandi gets nasty with Kyle. If Brandi was really concerned with Kim, she would notice that and back off.

Brandi is so pathetic when she keeps trying to isolate Kim from Kyle, saying, "Who did you call at 2 a.m., not Kyle!" She has to keep pushing Kim to think of her as her number one supporter. I really think she is trying to supplant Kyle in Kim's affections. Since she's alienated everyone else, she seems determined to commandeer Kim. I don't think she counted on the fact that Kim and Kyle are indeed tight, after their own fashion, apparently unlike Brandi and her sister.

She sounds like a high school girl trying to hang on to her BFF after the BFF decides to move on, "reminding" the BFF of what a great person she is, when really she's just showing how all the secrets are useful to her.

Edited January 30, 2015 by renatae

[Higgins]

What kind of maggot of a human being writes about a third hand account of woman arranging to have her daughter sexually abused.  There are no ages or anything assigned to this story from the wife of the ex-husband of Big Kathy.  http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-spinoffs-hilton22nov22-story.html

 

Very strange a grown man set his sights and "talents" on further dirtying the reputation of a twenty something year old celebutante and her family.  Paris' biggest crime was being annoying.

Kim and Kyle's father supported them. Bought the family home made mortgage payments did all the things a parent does.  Kim's job and the reason they moved to California was only on for two seasons. 

I agree, I don't buy the stories in books like that. It is pure trash IMO.

 

I've always kind of wonder about this. I think it's possible Kim is exaggerating the importance of her income as a child or that Big Kathy exaggerated it at the time as a way to keep Kim focused on going to work instead of goofing off. On the other hand, would Kyle know? I mean there are 5 years between them, right? And Kim was married and out of the house by 18. Say her peak earning years were 13-16 would an 8-11 year old Kyle have known or understood enough about the family finances to gage how much was riding on Kim's paycheck. If not, she would more or less be left with whatever Big Kathy told her. Even today Kyle isn't exactly comfertable questioning her mother's opinions so...

If their father left when Kyle was 3 and Kim was 9 or 10 then how do we know he paid the mortgage?. I don't  know the financial arrangement but, there is no doubt that Kim was working whether or not she was the sole support she definitely was affected by her different childhood.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Higgins

[WireWrap]

Where do you get the information that the fruit flavored e cigs/ vape juice is more dangerous? Also where do you get so much info on the Richards family?

 

I think what Kim meant is that she didn't have girlfriends during her adolescence like most of us did, hanging out in the bathroom playing with makeup and doing our hair at sleepovers. Is that something she might have missed while she was busy earning a living for her family?

They had a report on TV news about the dangers of e-cigs. They were specific about the fruit flavor ones, they are a big hit with young adults right now. It did not include the tobacco ones.

 

House of Hilton is an excellent book because people talked to the writer. There are more first hand accounts in that book than in any unauthorized bio book I have ever seen and I am talking about family members, close friends....ect, that sat for an interview with the author. If anything, it tends to make you feel bad for Kim/Kyle as kids and as young adults. They were raised by a twisted woman IMO.

[WireWrap]

Did their father die a wealthy man?

No. He died broke and in debt in 1998. Neither of his daughters were present in the hospital when he died. Kim was in Vegas but was at the casinos drinking/partying instead. Kyle flew in the day after he died.

 

 

Jerry Oppenheimer, the author of House of Hilton, is well know for writing unauthorized biographies of famous people.  He relies heavily on gossip, unnamed sources and 'insiders' that aren't all that inside such as estranged friends and spouses who have an axe to grind.  I take anything he writes with a grain of salt.  He's like the tabloid of biographies.

 

Is House of Hilton bible?  Not by a long shot.  Sure, there are things in there that are true but there's also a lot of gossip.

There were many people that sat for interviews with the author. This is not your typical "unauthorized" tell all. He list the sources names and there are very few "un-named" sources at all in the book when it came to the Richards family and the present day Hilton family. Is it perfect, a "bible" of some sort, No but it is not a book of fiction either. There is far more truth in the book than not based on eye witness accounts that were willing to go against Kathy Hilton's threats.

Edited January 30, 2015 by WireWrap

[Higgins]

The fruit ones are not more dangerous. That is propaganda.

[Avaleigh]

If their father left when Kyle was 3 and Kim was 9 or 10 then how do we know he paid the mortgage?. I don't  know the financial arrangement but, there is no doubt that Kim was working whether or not she was the sole support she definitely was affected by her different childhood.

 

 

I'm just going by what Kyle has said on the show. She says that their dad did well for himself and that he supported them. Their stepfather was also bringing in money. The point being that Kim was not the main one supporting the family which is something that I frequently see being stated as a fact. I didn't know anything about their father's death or that he died bankrupt, but I don't see how that invalidates Kyle's statements about him supporting his family while they were growing up.

 

It isn't as though Kim was contradicting what Kyle was saying about their father either. Kim loves to play the victim but I can't recall her ever making the claim that she was one earning the living for the family. I might very much be wrong but I was under the impression that the claims that Kim was the one earning a living for the family were taken out of the mentioned book House of Hilton. Can you speak to this being the case, WireWrap? 

 

I haven't read it but even if only a handful of what's written in HoH is true, it seems like Big Kathy was a piece of work and her daughters have basically confirmed this based on the tidbits that they've dropped about her over the years.

Edited January 30, 2015 by Avaleigh

[Higgins]

Both Kyle and Kim seem to have adored their mother. So I agree she might a piece of work but I don't believe that book is even mostly accurate. He had a agenda to paint them in the most salacious light to sell books. The point of course is that Kim didn't have a  normal childhood and she may have been affected by that and emotionally stunted by missing those rites of passage and by her substance use.

[VanillaBeanne]

Kyle also made pretty decent money as a kid. She was a cast member of two tv series for four seasons total, had several movie roles and guest spots on other tv shows. Kim did not support Kyle as Kyle brought in enough money to support herself. However, it sounds like their mom used her husbands' and her daughters incomes' to support herself and her daughters (in that order, if the book is to be believed).

I find it interesting that Kim's first husband Monty and her hunky baby-daddy who drove Kim and her youngest off to college were both interviewed for the House of Hilton. Surprised that Kim still is on good terms with both of them. Their quotes were very unflattering to the Kathys.

Edited January 30, 2015 by VanillaBeanne

[chlban]

First of all, you know damn well that if Lisa R went up to Brandi and told her she had a drinking problem, Brandi would be all like, "You don't know me! I'm an adult and I can do what the fuck I want to do!"

I don't think Brandi realizes that every time you drink, you don't have to get super drunk and wasted. I mean, I know bravo supplies them with alcohol at these events, but most of the time everyone else seems to still act like functional human beings. Obviously there have been times when everyone has gotten out of hand. Once people get to a certain age and they drink, they know their drinking limits and how to handle themselves. That doesn't mean they don't go a little crazy once in a while and that's okay. Sometimes people just want to let loose. But Brandi seems to get super drunk at every event and that's why people say she's got a problem.

Also, I don't why Brandi was complaining about being hungry at Eileen's house when she has $1000 worth of groceries she spends in one month at home.

Actually, i seem to recall that Brandi's statement was that the $1000 from Eddie "paid for groceries for a week", not a month. She said is so dismissively you would think everyone spends $1000 a week of groceries alone.

 

I figure she must buy her booze for home consumption at the market, which would explain why the tab is so high each week. Clearly she doesn't eat, and she only has the boys 50% of the time so there is no way that amount is going to for food alone.     

 

Unless of course Brandi lied, but that couldn't be it, right. Truth cannon and all that.  

[sistermagpie]

I'm just going by what Kyle has said on the show. She says that there dad did well for himself and that he supported them. Their stepfather was also bringing in money. The point being that Kim was not the main one supporting the family which is something that I frequently see being stated as a fact. I didn't know anything about their father's death or that he died bankrupt, but I don't see how that invalidates Kyle's statements about him supporting his family while they were growing up.

 

 

Yes, it seems like they at least had 3 incomes--the dad's, Kim's and Kyle's. Kim might have made the most money, but I'd bet the family could have survived on far less. There's sometimes a tendency to make it seem like Kyle's income and their dad's income didn't count or was just like money found behind the cushions of the couch when it came to the family budget. Kim worked a lot because she got cast a lot. Kyle got cast less, but we still a very visible working child actress. Their dad may have died bankrupt, but plenty of parents have been bankrupt without it meaning they never supported their family or earned money.

[JAYJAY1979]

So far, I think season 5 of RHOBH has been a stellar season.  I rank it higher then season 3 and 4 for me thus far.  It's too early to determine if ranks up there with season 1 yet, but it certainly is fighting season 2 for the second best season of this franchise for me.

 

Ever since Game Night in season 2, Kyle and Brandi have had a lot of tension in their interactions with one another.  I think Kyle held off on attacking Brandi herself again due to the backlash she received during Game Night.  However, there have been times that Brandi/Kyle have thrown a little shade at one another since season 2.

 

For example..

 

Season 2 reunion: When Brandi basically sent a text calling kyle a C u next Tuesday and Kyle got the text.  And they were both calling each other mean spice, etc.

 

Season 3:  Kyle saying she missed Brandi, all two of her faces :)   I still think Kyle was the one to fill Faye R. in on Brandi and Faye R was basically the puppet guided by the puppet master Kyle.  During the end of season 3, Kyle tried to say that Brandi and Faye had had issues for a long time, and Brandi said she had never really spoken to Faye much before the dinner show-down and Kyle had this look that indicated to me that she knew Brandi was right, but still held to that statement anyway.  Also, during the Palm Springs trip.. Brandi whispered to Kim that not everyone wanted to see her succeed in being sober, but didn't reveal whom she was speaking of till the

 

Season 3 reunion: When Brandi came out and said that she believed Kyle didn't want Kim to stay sober, which made Kyle come after her a bit at the reunion.

 

Season 4:  When the girls were in Palm Springs, while Brandi did spend most of the time being mean to Joyce, there was one scene when Brandi got drunk and she started to insult and come after Kyle.  Kyle sternly asked her if she had done anything to deserve this treatment since Game Night and Brandi said no, then backed off and went after Joyce again.

 

I think the end of season 4 where Kyle and Brandi were hanging out was more due to their issues with Lisa V. then any sort of start of friendship between the two girls, an unholy alliance if you will.

 

And even the few times both of them have hung out this season was to talk about Lisa V.

 

So when you lay out all these instances, I'm just amazed it took so long for Kyle and Brandi to start fighting in the open.  As a result of things festering for a couple of years, it explains why both appear to be so heated with one another.

 

On the other hand, Kim spent two plus years being upset with Brandi and Brandi basically had to grovel and do pet tricks before Kim would eventually embrace her.  So I think on one hand, Brandi is being so protective of Kim, because of the two plus years it took for Kim to forgive her, also to stick to Kyle and for camera time :)

 

Lastly, I've read comments from some viewers on various boards that Eileen should have known that a blow up would have most likely happened at her event.  In her defense, the events hosted this season up to that point had not resulted in blow ups.  There was tension, but everyone seemed to be on their best behavior thus far... so I'm sure Eileen figured there would be tension of sorts, but not what ended up occurring with Kim falling off the wagon, then Kyle/Kim/Brandi having a showdown in entry way then the driveway.

[zoeysmom]

No. He died broke and in debt in 1998. Neither of his daughters were present in the hospital when he died. Kim was in Vegas but was at the casinos drinking/partying instead. Kyle flew in the day after he died.

 

 

There were many people that sat for interviews with the author. This is not your typical "unauthorized" tell all. He list the sources names and there are very few "un-named" sources at all in the book when it came to the Richards family and the present day Hilton family. Is it perfect, a "bible" of some sort, No but it is not a book of fiction either. There is far more truth in the book than not based on eye witness accounts that were willing to go against Kathy Hilton's threats.

The problem with the people that sat such as Sylvia Richards is on the agenda they had and the nothing left to lose attitude.  Sylvia was repeating things her late husband had supposedly told her-she was never that close to Big Kathy.  I have a problem with a woman who keeps her new husband from his daughter's wedding because she won't apologize.  I am not saying that everyone lied but there were no first person interviews-as in the Richards sisters or Paris.  That is what makes it unauthorized.  Someone like John Jackson talking is one thing because he obviously lived with Kim in the day to day. As did Monty Brinson and it surprises me the Hiltons remain close to him.   Some high school friend or Big Kathy's claiming she was told all these things over the phone is questionable.  I know from my friend, the Dugar family was put through the ringer over who cooperated, not because of the information but because of the lack of loyalty.  It was a sore spot for many years. Obviously those who cooperated and were close to Kim have been forgiven. 

 

Just what this family needs in their life right about now is truth cannon Brandi.  I am sure Oppenheimer is sharpening his pencil and getting ready to write a new book.

[motorcitymom65]

So far, I think season 5 of RHOBH has been a stellar season.  I rank it higher then season 3 and 4 for me thus far.  It's too early to determine if ranks up there with season 1 yet, but it certainly is fighting season 2 for the second best season of this franchise for me.

 

Ever since Game Night in season 2, Kyle and Brandi have had a lot of tension in their interactions with one another.  I think Kyle held off on attacking Brandi herself again due to the backlash she received during Game Night.  However, there have been times that Brandi/Kyle have thrown a little shade at one another since season 2.

 

For example..

 

Season 2 reunion: When Brandi basically sent a text calling kyle a C u next Tuesday and Kyle got the text.  And they were both calling each other mean spice, etc.

 

Season 3:  Kyle saying she missed Brandi, all two of her faces :)   I still think Kyle was the one to fill Faye R. in on Brandi and Faye R was basically the puppet guided by the puppet master Kyle.  During the end of season 3, Kyle tried to say that Brandi and Faye had had issues for a long time, and Brandi said she had never really spoken to Faye much before the dinner show-down and Kyle had this look that indicated to me that she knew Brandi was right, but still held to that statement anyway.  Also, during the Palm Springs trip.. Brandi whispered to Kim that not everyone wanted to see her succeed in being sober, but didn't reveal whom she was speaking of till the

 

Season 3 reunion: When Brandi came out and said that she believed Kyle didn't want Kim to stay sober, which made Kyle come after her a bit at the reunion.

 

Season 4:  When the girls were in Palm Springs, while Brandi did spend most of the time being mean to Joyce, there was one scene when Brandi got drunk and she started to insult and come after Kyle.  Kyle sternly asked her if she had done anything to deserve this treatment since Game Night and Brandi said no, then backed off and went after Joyce again.

 

I think the end of season 4 where Kyle and Brandi were hanging out was more due to their issues with Lisa V. then any sort of start of friendship between the two girls, an unholy alliance if you will.

 

And even the few times both of them have hung out this season was to talk about Lisa V.

 

So when you lay out all these instances, I'm just amazed it took so long for Kyle and Brandi to start fighting in the open.  As a result of things festering for a couple of years, it explains why both appear to be so heated with one another.

 

On the other hand, Kim spent two plus years being upset with Brandi and Brandi basically had to grovel and do pet tricks before Kim would eventually embrace her.  So I think on one hand, Brandi is being so protective of Kim, because of the two plus years it took for Kim to forgive her, also to stick to Kyle and for camera time :)

 

 

 

I agree with this all.  I think there has always been tension between the two. What is happening now has always been inevitable to me and I have been waiting for it. I think really though that it is all about Lisa at the core of it all, or at least that is how it started. Brandi was a wedge in that relationship, whether on purpose or not. Kyle was hurt to be replaced (which she said on more than one occasion) and Brandi was thrilled to be BFF's with the most popular gal on the show. I think they did try to find a way to at least be civil and they were successful a lot of the time. I remember Brandi saying one time that the thing folks would be the most surprised to learn is how much fun she always had with Kyle when they were filming. The end of the Paris episode was interesting to me because you have all the ladies standing on the balcony watching the fireworks and when the camera catches them from behind, Brandi and Kyle have their arms around each other and are leaning in to each other taking in the beautiful scene. At the end of the day, however, Kyle was out and Brandi was in with regard to Lisa. That is simply going to cause tension and unease in a relationship. I also think that Lisa loved being the gal that everyone wanted to be with.  

 

Then last season everything flipped and Kyle was in and Brandi was out. It was interesting the way they talked to each other about that when they went hiking, kind of dancing around the fact that their roles were reversed. Kyle never saying to Brandi that she had been hurt by her taking her place (although she had said it to Lisa and at the reunion) and likewise Brandi never telling Kyle that she was hurt to be replaced. They never discussed their roles in the drama, but instead focused on being upset at Lisa about it all.  Now we have come full circle. Kyle and Lisa are back, and Brandi is out. Brandi tried to make Lisa pay last year but that didn't work out for her. Now she will make Kyle pay. 

 

The last 3 years have really been foreplay for what was always inevitable. 

[WireWrap]

The problem with the people that sat such as Sylvia Richards is on the agenda they had and the nothing left to lose attitude.  Sylvia was repeating things her late husband had supposedly told her-she was never that close to Big Kathy.  I have a problem with a woman who keeps her new husband from his daughter's wedding because she won't apologize.  I am not saying that everyone lied but there were no first person interviews-as in the Richards sisters or Paris.  That is what makes it unauthorized.  Someone like John Jackson talking is one thing because he obviously lived with Kim in the day to day. As did Monty Brinson and it surprises me the Hiltons remain close to him.   Some high school friend or Big Kathy's claiming she was told all these things over the phone is questionable.  I know from my friend, the Dugar family was put through the ringer over who cooperated, not because of the information but because of the lack of loyalty.  It was a sore spot for many years. Obviously those who cooperated and were close to Kim have been forgiven. 

 

Just what this family needs in their life right about now is truth cannon Brandi.  I am sure Oppenheimer is sharpening his pencil and getting ready to write a new book.

For me, reading this book made me sympathetic to Kim/Kyle. It shed some much needed light on their sometimes bizarre behavior and their intense sibling rivalry. Yes, their step mom told info that she heard through her husband AND what she saw with her own eyes. Everyone that was interviewed was threatened by Kathy Hilton and they had nothing to gain, they were not paid for their interviews. I don't think the book did any damage to Kim/Kyle or Kathy, IMO, the author was harsher on the Hiltons than the Richards family.

 

I am sure the author would have loved to interview Kathy, Rick, Kim, Kyle and Paris but they refused.

 

I don't think Brandi would ever dare to use this book for dirt on the family, IMO, she knows Kathy will make her pay dearly. I wouldn't worry about any tell all concerning Kim, she does not hold the public interest like Paris did 10 years ago. maybe someone will do an article on her, maybe stretch it into 3 parts, but not a book.

[WireWrap]

Yes, it seems like they at least had 3 incomes--the dad's, Kim's and Kyle's. Kim might have made the most money, but I'd bet the family could have survived on far less. There's sometimes a tendency to make it seem like Kyle's income and their dad's income didn't count or was just like money found behind the cushions of the couch when it came to the family budget. Kim worked a lot because she got cast a lot. Kyle got cast less, but we still a very visible working child actress. Their dad may have died bankrupt, but plenty of parents have been bankrupt without it meaning they never supported their family or earned money.

I think the rumor that Kim was sole support of the family started when she claimed that Kyle "stole" her house. Kim never bought her mother a home that I have read. Even in the book, HH, he never claims Big Kathy lived/used Kim's money as sole support or that it was the families only income. The house Kim referred to was not bought by her, it was bought by Big Kathy and her last husband, I believe.

[mwell345]

 

Yeah I disagree too that Brandi is the only thing that makes RHOBH interesting.

 

Add me to that list.  I would not miss her at all, and I would be thrilled to see her air time go to one of the other HW's.  I find the party scenes, etc. enjoyable up to the point where Brandi ruins them, like she ruins every scene she is in.

[zoeysmom]

I agree with this all.  I think there has always been tension between the two. What is happening now has always been inevitable to me and I have been waiting for it. I think really though that it is all about Lisa at the core of it all, or at least that is how it started. Brandi was a wedge in that relationship, whether on purpose or not. Kyle was hurt to be replaced (which she said on more than one occasion) and Brandi was thrilled to be BFF's with the most popular gal on the show. I think they did try to find a way to at least be civil and they were successful a lot of the time. I remember Brandi saying one time that the thing folks would be the most surprised to learn is how much fun she always had with Kyle when they were filming. The end of the Paris episode was interesting to me because you have all the ladies standing on the balcony watching the fireworks and when the camera catches them from behind, Brandi and Kyle have their arms around each other and are leaning in to each other taking in the beautiful scene. At the end of the day, however, Kyle was out and Brandi was in with regard to Lisa. That is simply going to cause tension and unease in a relationship. I also think that Lisa loved being the gal that everyone wanted to be with.  

 

Then last season everything flipped and Kyle was in and Brandi was out. It was interesting the way they talked to each other about that when they went hiking, kind of dancing around the fact that their roles were reversed. Kyle never saying to Brandi that she had been hurt by her taking her place (although she had said it to Lisa and at the reunion) and likewise Brandi never telling Kyle that she was hurt to be replaced. They never discussed their roles in the drama, but instead focused on being upset at Lisa about it all.  Now we have come full circle. Kyle and Lisa are back, and Brandi is out. Brandi tried to make Lisa pay last year but that didn't work out for her. Now she will make Kyle pay. 

 

The last 3 years have really been foreplay for what was always inevitable. 

Brandi came into this show like the proverbial bull in the  china shop.  Now that the shop has been restored those who lived through the causalities are watching the door for the return of the bull.  Brandi has effectively destroyed every person on the show-except Yolanda either on or off the show. 

 

 

I think the rumor that Kim was sole support of the family started when she claimed that Kyle "stole" her house. Kim never bought her mother a home that I have read. Even in the book, HH, he never claims Big Kathy lived/used Kim's money as sole support or that it was the families only income. The house Kim referred to was not bought by her, it was bought by Big Kathy and her last husband, I believe.

I think Kyle has adequately explained the lack of truth in Kim's comment through documentation.  It doesn't mean Kim doesn't feel that way it just means Kim had a lesson in you have spent your childhood earnings.

 

I think the issue that confronts all parents of childhood stars is first, a parent has to be with them the entire time they are filming so the busier the kid the less time the accompanying parent has to work.  If a kid is making enough money to say afford a million dollar home to live in with their family vs. the family's present apartment home and be driven to the studio in a Range Rover vs. a 10 year old Toyota that needs a new transmission, is that part of the reward the child should receive or should a 100% be banked for the day the child  turns 18?  If I were a kid I would want life's comforts now and deal with the fact that I may have less money when I turn 18 years old.  What Big Kathy was receiving was the manager/agent percentage from her daughters.  Essentially, Kathy was their agent and obviously did a good job getting them parts and manager and the parent on set (actually Dodo also filled in as parent on set).

 

I look at this way say Kim made $2,000,000.00 as a minor. That is based on 200 acting credits at $10,000-a balance between her Nanny and The Professor days (which she made probably closer to $500.00 per episode) to her big movie Escape to Witch Mountain.   By law a minimum of $300,000.00 had to be banked and available only when Kim reached 18 years old.  She would have paid another $400,000.00 in managing and agency fees-be it to her mother or outside agency.  Now there are income taxes to pay. So as quickly as Kim apparently goes through money according to her exes, her sister and pretty much everyone else I could see where she burned up her earnings pretty quickly.  The car for Kyle back in the eighties was not the reason Kim was left without money in her forties.  Kim did inherit equally with Kathy and Kyle .  The end result to me is Kim resentment towards Kyle is misplaced.  Kyle could not tell her mother what to do with the money when she a child.  Did Kim want her mother and sisters living in a dumpy apartment while she and Dodo live in Bel Air?   I think her sisters give high marks to Kim for her success and do appreciate it allowed them a lifestyle that they may not have ever been able to obtain but Kim's anger and resentment is such she doesn't see the appreciation.

 

So when lonely Kim is reliving the glory days with Brandi her sisters look like they are ungrateful because here it is 2am and where are they?  They owe Kim to be at her beck and call.

[Avaleigh]

Thanks for answering, WireWrap. 

 

I think the rumor that Kim was sole support of the family started when she claimed that Kyle "stole" her house. Kim never bought her mother a home that I have read. Even in the book, HH, he never claims Big Kathy lived/used Kim's money as sole support or that it was the families only income. The house Kim referred to was not bought by her, it was bought by Big Kathy and her last husband, I believe.

Kim never apologized either for her comments about the house so there will always be some people who think that Kyle and Mauricio (and Kathy) were somehow shady about the whole thing.

 

I thought it was an exaggeration about Kim being the family breadwinner because Kyle went out of her way to correct the misconception at one of the reunions. Am I wrong in thinking that Kyle specifically said that their father bought their house? I thought that was what Kyle said during a reunion. I wonder if this is the reunion where Kim didn't attend?

[quinn]

I don't know if it was House of Hilton or some other source but I vaguely recall that Kyle's first husband bought / contributed to getting a house for Big Kathy - it was not the infamous Palm Springs house, but another one. The passage did not flat out say Kyle's husband Guraish bought / helped buy the house, but the reference was something like "the wealthy foreigner her daughter married."

Edited January 30, 2015 by quinn

[WireWrap]

Brandi came into this show like the proverbial bull in the  china shop.  Now that the shop has been restored those who lived through the causalities are watching the door for the return of the bull.  Brandi has effectively destroyed every person on the show-except Yolanda either on or off the show. 

 

 

I think Kyle has adequately explained the lack of truth in Kim's comment through documentation.  It doesn't mean Kim doesn't feel that way it just means Kim had a lesson in you have spent your childhood earnings.

 

I think the issue that confronts all parents of childhood stars is first, a parent has to be with them the entire time they are filming so the busier the kid the less time the accompanying parent has to work.  If a kid is making enough money to say afford a million dollar home to live in with their family vs. the family's present apartment home and be driven to the studio in a Range Rover vs. a 10 year old Toyota that needs a new transmission, is that part of the reward the child should receive or should a 100% be banked for the day the child  turns 18?  If I were a kid I would want life's comforts now and deal with the fact that I may have less money when I turn 18 years old.  What Big Kathy was receiving was the manager/agent percentage from her daughters.  Essentially, Kathy was their agent and obviously did a good job getting them parts and manager and the parent on set (actually Dodo also filled in as parent on set).

 

I look at this way say Kim made $2,000,000.00 as a minor. That is based on 200 acting credits at $10,000-a balance between her Nanny and The Professor days (which she made probably closer to $500.00 per episode) to her big movie Escape to Witch Mountain.   By law a minimum of $300,000.00 had to be banked and available only when Kim reached 18 years old.  She would have paid another $400,000.00 in managing and agency fees-be it to her mother or outside agency.  Now there are income taxes to pay. So as quickly as Kim apparently goes through money according to her exes, her sister and pretty much everyone else I could see where she burned up her earnings pretty quickly.  The car for Kyle back in the eighties was not the reason Kim was left without money in her forties.  Kim did inherit equally with Kathy and Kyle .  The end result to me is Kim resentment towards Kyle is misplaced.  Kyle could not tell her mother what to do with the money when she a child.  Did Kim want her mother and sisters living in a dumpy apartment while she and Dodo live in Bel Air?   I think her sisters give high marks to Kim for her success and do appreciate it allowed them a lifestyle that they may not have ever been able to obtain but Kim's anger and resentment is such she doesn't see the appreciation.

 

So when lonely Kim is reliving the glory days with Brandi her sisters look like they are ungrateful because here it is 2am and where are they?  They owe Kim to be at her beck and call.

I don't think Kim would be able to clearly remember much of her childhood because of her addictions. Things have to fuzzy at best after long term drug/alcohol abuse. Not to mention the fact that Kim was high/drunk when she made the claim that Kyle stole "her" house and she has never addressed/corrected her statement since. She has done her sister, Kyle, a true disservice in not correcting it IMO, because so many still believe that Kyle/Mauricio did Kim wrong when she was vulnerable.

 

Kyle has bragged about Kim's acting success/career several times over the years, I never got the impression that she has ever been jealous of Kim, in anything.

 

Thanks for answering, WireWrap. 

 

Kim never apologized either for her comments about the house so there will always be some people who think that Kyle and Mauricio (and Kathy) were somehow shady about the whole thing.

 

I thought it was an exaggeration about Kim being the family breadwinner because Kyle went out of her way to correct the misconception at one of the reunions. Am I wrong in thinking that Kyle specifically said that their father bought their house? I thought that was what Kyle said during a reunion. I wonder if this is the reunion where Kim didn't attend?

Yes, he bought/built the families home. I do not believe that this is the house Kim was referring to, that house was sold, I believe, when Big Kathy moved to Palms Springs.

 

Kim has never addressed her accusations against Kyle/Mauricio of stealing the house from her or the fact it was inherited by all 3 sisters, not just her. IMO, she has done a great disservice to Kyle/Mauricio, she has never apologized on camera, not once and that rumor is still believed and used against both Kyle and Mauricio to this day by viewers.

I don't know if it was House of Hilton or some other source but I vaguely recall that Kyle's first husband bought / contributed to getting a house for Big Kathy - it was not the infamous Palm Springs house, but another one. The passage did not flat out say Kyle's husband Guraish bought / helped buy the house, but the reference was something like "the wealthy foreigner her daughter married."

That was not in HH, so I am not sure where that came from.

 

ETA;  I went back to the book and looked it up and there is something in it about/similar to that.. After Kathy's 3rd/4th husband died, Jack Catain the alleged mobster, Kathy was low on money and sold the Bel-Air home Ken Richards built for them and then used the money she made from that + money she "borrowed" from a  wealthy Middle Eastern man that 1 of her daughters were dating. Most likely it was Kyle and her ex but they were not married and the money was only to be a loan. The book does not say that it was ever paid back. She used all that money to but a 2 bedroom condominium in BH.

Edited January 30, 2015 by WireWrap

[Higgins]

I think they call that hair color ombre.

[GreatKazu]

I agree what we do is speculate here however; to assume that Kim agreed to take care of Monty so she can get his meds is pretty damn ugly. This shows a total lack of understanding that addiction is not always what you see on shows like intervention. That show is ramped up for dramatic purposes and is not a true reflection of how most addicts act. For most people it is more of a continuum. I'm pretty sure that all of you know someone with dependency that you have no clue about because they are able to function somewhat normally. It doesn't mean that because someone has a problem, they have no morals. This kind of belief is not helpful to anyone. Someone can stumble and that doesn't mean they are totally gone.

I do not believe Kim is caring for Monty simply to access his meds so, I do agree with you on that point. I do think Kim may have coveted a few pills of his under the guise that she felt she needed them for what she felt was a legit excuse. With addicts, any excuse is a legit excuse. But, I do not feel she had an ulterior motive with regards to his meds. I do think she had a reason for taking in Monty, but it has to do with some kind of attachment or dependency she has for him, much like her attachment to Brandi, which seems unhealthy.

As for people with problems, I assume you are referring to addicts? There are those who are functioning addicts. I have dealt with the functioning kind and the ones who have hit rock bottom. I can comment that both had morals, but what they all did was cross boundaries. Not sure what you mean by morals, but an addict will do things that they normally would not do if they were clean and sober. They may do things that people are not aware of or because they are not around the addict 24/7.

My spouse has a friend who is a police officer. This friend's wife was caught shoplifting on two occasions. She is a drug addict. This friend ended up divorcing her after she was caught stealing a wallet from a woman's purse in a store, but still would not seek help for her problem. We would never have thought she was capable of this even though we knew she had a problem.

These addicts, that I have mentioned in previous comments, have cheated on spouses, stolen money from family or stolen from employers, , pawned items, lied about so many things, made many promises but never kept their word,, have been convicted of DUIs, committed domestic violence, damaged property, borrowed money but never paid it back, committed other crimes, and so on. I find it hard to think with all the lying, manipulation and lack of boundaries that addicts have, that they are capable of keeping their morals in check. There might be, I just have not known any.

Edited January 31, 2015 by GreatKazu