Spoilers With Speculation

[BabySpinach]

2 hours ago, Reganne said:

I agree that this could be a problem but they could try something new.  Have Cas and Jack become part of the MOTWs with Sam and have the overall Myth arc with MichaelDean be another story during the MOTW episodes.  Maybe have the MOTWs connected to DeanMichael somehow.  That would upset some of the fans that want the brothers together all the time, but it would satisfy the fans who want Dean to be a part of a long arc/fast forward to only watch Dean.  It would definitely be something different for the show.  It's not impossible but I don't think they will go this route.  

I'd actually be really okay with that. It'd give both brothers something meaty to do, and season 14 would be about the right time to try something as bold as that. At least it won't be as boring as the constant cuts to secondary characters like we had in season 12 and 13, that had pretty much nothing to do with the protagonists.

[ILoveReading]

A good way to get around the seperation problem would Michael having Dean in lockdown by sending him on hunts with Sam. We, the audience, see the hunt but in reality it’s all in Deans head but in each one something isn’t quiet right.

Like the Impala being messy and full of fast food containers, or someone is too nice to him leads Dean to realizing something is off alllowing him to fight. 

The bookend of the MOTW eps could be Sam chasing a lead. 

There are ways to work around it without just throwing the storyline away. But I don’t think we’ll get much of Deans internal struggle. I think they’ll just copy and paste Demon Dean.  

[Reganne]

16 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

A good way to get around the seperation problem would Michael having Dean in lockdown by sending him on hunts with Sam. We, the audience, see the hunt but in reality it’s all in Deans head but in each one something isn’t quiet right.

Like the Impala being messy and full of fast food containers, or someone is too nice to him leads Dean to realizing something is off alllowing him to fight. 

The bookend of the MOTW eps could be Sam chasing a lead. 

There are ways to work around it without just throwing the storyline away. But I don’t think we’ll get much of Deans internal struggle. I think they’ll just copy and paste Demon Dean.  

That would be neat for an episode or two, but I'm not sure if that would be good for all of the MOTW episodes as it's not actually what's really happening in the real world.  I think it would get tiring if they did it too much. Maybe they could swap it out and sometimes it's real and sometimes it's not.  Though I guess the audience would know if it was a real hunt or not depending if Dean were involved.  

Edited May 20, 2018 by Reganne

[gonzosgirrl]

4 hours ago, BabySpinach said:

I'm 99% sure the writers and showrunner will never drop the MOTW format. There's no way they'd be willing to separate Sam and Dean for an extended period of time. I'd love for Michael!Dean to stick around for more than three episodes, but it either won't happen or they'll have Michael power down temporarily so that the brothers can go on those one-off hunts. I'd be happy to sacrifice the MOTWs for a more cohesive and in-depth story, but the writers probably wouldn't. Sigh...

It seems like Vampires are the only monsters left. Which is ironic since that is the one species the BMOL and Uber!Mary supposed all but wiped out.

13 minutes ago, Reganne said:

That would be neat for an episode or two, but I'm not sure if that would be good for all of the MOTW episodes as it's not actually what's really happening in the real world.  I think it would get tiring if they did it too much. Maybe they could swap it out and sometimes it's real and sometimes it's not.  Though I guess the audience would know if it was a real hunt or not depending if Dean were involved.  

I don't know that the audience would care if the hunts are real or not as long as they have the brothers on scteen together. I think it's an interesting idea. 

Given how vocal Jensen's been about the DD and Purgatory arcs being clipped short, I have to imagine he negotiated this one in advanced.  So I'm going to extrapolate that however long it lasts is precisely how long he wanted it to last. JMO of course.

[BabySpinach]

6 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

Given how vocal Jensen's been about the DD and Purgatory arcs being clipped short, I have to imagine he negotiated this one in advanced.  So I'm going to extrapolate that however long it lasts is precisely how long he wanted it to last. JMO of course.

Jensen's already been burned twice. I really hope he campaigned hard (and successfully) this time, given how excited he has always been for these relatively infrequent opportunities to spread his wings (ha).

[Reganne]

22 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

 

I don't know that the audience would care if the hunts are real or not as long as they have the brothers on scteen together. I think it's an interesting idea. 

Given how vocal Jensen's been about the DD and Purgatory arcs being clipped short, I have to imagine he negotiated this one in advanced.  So I'm going to extrapolate that however long it lasts is precisely how long he wanted it to last. JMO of course.

But they wouldn't actually have the brothers onscreen together.  Sam would be nothing more than an image or dream.  In fact, we wouldn't even get to see what Sam is up to really if all the MOTWs were in Dean's head and from his POV.  We would only get to see Sam in the Myth Arcs, which I wouldn't be happy with personally.  I want to see Sam as himself and explore his character.  Not have to constantly see a dream/fake version of him.  That's why I think it would be nice for an episode or two, but not the whole season/arc depending on how long it lasts.

[MysteryGuest]

11 minutes ago, Reganne said:

But they wouldn't actually have the brothers onscreen together.  Sam would be nothing more than an image or dream.  In fact, we wouldn't even get to see what Sam is up to really if all the MOTWs were in Dean's head and from his POV.  We would only get to see Sam in the Myth Arcs, which I wouldn't be happy with personally.

The sad part is that the show runners probably have no clue how they're going to make the storyline work.  I expect there will be a hunt for Mean (kudos to whoever came up with that one), and that may take a few episodes.  They're left with a good number of side characters after this season, so that should be interesting.  Add in the Wayward cast members, if the last minute attempt to get the CW to change their minds doesn't work.  

We know that Jack was powerful enough to take out Michael with very little effort.  Now since Michael is in his true vessel, he's stronger, but I don't know that he's stronger than Jack.  While I'm sure they will discuss the possibility of having to sacrifice Dean in order to save the world, I don't see it happening.  I know they dragged out the Casifer storyline, but I don't see that working with Mean.  Misha is only in half the episodes, if that, whereas Jensen is in all of them.  I think the story will get old if it goes on too long.

[Aeryn13]

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While I'm sure they will discuss the possibility of having to sacrifice Dean in order to save the world

I think it would be more interesting if they had to discuss giving him up in favour of Michael promising to fix the heaven problem, lest billions upon billions of souls plummet to Earth. 

Ultimately, I think Dean might stab himself with Michael`s own blade- that would work in the "only an archangel can kill an archangel paradigm - and of course it would kill him, too. Then Billie would see him and maybe both would go to the Empty. So everyone else goes to the Empty where lo and behold, they pick up Dean and ten million other unwanted guests on the return trip.   

[bozodegama]

I don’t get how they are going to power up Jack.  Right now, he’s basically useless if I understand things.  He.either needs to eat Michael/Deans grace or Cage Michaels grace or Lucifer is still alive with his grace.  What other options are there?  They can’t keep him as just a human character, imo.  I, personally, don’t want evil Dean around too long.  I’ll just miss real Dean.  But they do have a cool cast of characters ready for next season.  I just want au Bobby to say, “we’re boned.”

[trxr4kids]

55 minutes ago, bozodegama said:

I don’t get how they are going to power up Jack.  Right now, he’s basically useless if I understand things.  He.either needs to eat Michael/Deans grace or Cage Michaels grace or Lucifer is still alive with his grace.  What other options are there?  They can’t keep him as just a human character, imo.  I, personally, don’t want evil Dean around too long.  I’ll just miss real Dean.  But they do have a cool cast of characters ready for next season.  I just want au Bobby to say, “we’re boned.”

Not that canon really matters but it's been established that grace can be boosted by the power of a soul, presumably *Jack has both soul and grace thereby acting as his own battery charger.

*I've always assumed (ya, I know )that that is why nephilim are supposedly so powerful.

[Icarus]

"@suebsg9

Replying to @aborddelimpala @andrewdabb and

I could have swore and you can go back and watch Jared’s finale video last day shooting I could have swore him and Pellegrino were talking at end he said see you in July"

Just saw this on twitter - someone checked and he did say "see you in three months" apparently - so depressing.

[Aeryn13]

So, he is right back? Wow, way to undermine everything. 

He did say "see you in a few months" but same diff. It`s ridiculous. Why did they "kill" him at all then.

Edited May 20, 2018 by Aeryn13

[Icarus]

I might have been a bit premature - although I think this is wishful thinking:

"They regularly appear at SD ComicCon in July so he might be referring to that not filming the show"

But got to say it is looking quite likely that he will be back, fingers crossed he won't - my wish anyway!

[Aeryn13]

They will see each other at a couple of conventions in June an July anyway. I hope someone spoils it one way or the other at the June convention in Pittsburgh. Only three weeks till then.  

I could live with it if Lucifer was in the Empty and they did the same thing they did with Cas later on. Then of course he would be brought back since they teased it. But it would mean Dean at least accomplished to kill him. 

Would prefer if the character stayed gone. They can still use the actor for dreams/nightmares/flashbacks/hallucinations/shapeshifting monsters if they can`t let him go. 

[gonzosgirrl]

10 minutes ago, Aeryn13 said:

They will see each other at a couple of conventions in June an July anyway. I hope someone spoils it one way or the other at the June convention in Pittsburgh. Only three weeks till then.  

I could live with it if Lucifer was in the Empty and they did the same thing they did with Cas later on. Then of course he would be brought back since they teased it. But it would mean Dean at least accomplished to kill him. 

Would prefer if the character stayed gone. They can still use the actor for dreams/nightmares/flashbacks/hallucinations/shapeshifting monsters if they can`t let him go. 

I just don't understand how they can't see that this character is played out. JFC they wrote out an actual great character (played by a better actor, IMO) in Crowley, who had far more potential left in him, especially as frenemy/ally to the boys. Lucifer is one-note. Well two I guess if you count both OTT comic relief and villain. He is so far past his sell-by date, he doesn't even smell any more. Just a desiccated husk that needs to be tossed.

Sam's relief, Dean's sacrifice, CANON, -they are going to make, and continue to make a mockery of all of it for yet another cheap gotcha! moment. It's telling that Singer (especially) and Dabb touted Michael Dean as this huge twist nobody saw coming, or that it was a character we haven't seen for years. They are so far out of touch with their own show and the pulse of its fans*, it's actually a little disturbing.

*a lot, not all, but a LOT

[Reganne]

TBH, even though I still enjoy Lucifer, I agree that at this point in the series, he should stay dead.  Otherwise, it makes the whole finale of season 13 almost pointless.  They already spoiled the surprise of Dean being someone else that was heavily speculated to be Michael.  IMO, the episode would have played better if we all weren't expecting it.  Now if they bring back Lucifer, the episode loses even more of it's good points/significance to the point that it would make the episode almost a waste of time and only a way to set up Michael/Dean instead of an ending to a larger arc as well.

 

With this being said, Even though they keep faking deaths or bringing people back, I do hope Gabriel comes back.  Lol.  It was so pointless to kill him off after bringing him back IMO.  

[SueB]

5 hours ago, Icarus said:

"@suebsg9

Replying to @aborddelimpala @andrewdabb and

I could have swore and you can go back and watch Jared’s finale video last day shooting I could have swore him and Pellegrino were talking at end he said see you in July"

Just saw this on twitter - someone checked and he did say "see you in three months" apparently - so depressing.

Just watched it.  The person was NOT scene on camera but was named Mark.  He was not coming to the wrap party the next night because he was "up in Squamish" (a fair drive).  I don't think it was Pellegrino.

Now let's add:
- The writers dont' come back til next week -- already firmly planning to resurrect Lucifer with they claim to not know what they are doing with Michael!Dean seems imbalanced. 
- The did not have Misha on contract by the time the season ended (per his comment at SPNUK). I'd be stunned if they killed off Pellegrino AND then put him right back on contract and it was a "known thing."

Bottom Line: I think that video is not evidence of Mark P's return. 

[Aeryn13]

I do believe it was Pellegrino's voice, though.

[Etoile]

11 hours ago, SueB said:

Bottom Line: I think that video is not evidence of Mark P's return. 

I really, really hope you are right, SueB. Let Lucifer go and the actor with him. He was already past his selling date a few seasons ago. I can't see any reason for bringing him back - again. :(

[Jonesy]

3 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

I do believe it was Pellegrino's voice, though.

Now I'm confused--so whoever was Mark that Jared said that to was not seen but only heard?  BUT did it sound like Mark P. or not?  Does anyone have this clip to post here?

Edited May 21, 2018 by Jakes

[Aeryn13]

You don't see the person's face, no. Just a quick glimpse when he and Jared hug. The dirty-blond hair is too non-descript, as is height and build to say who it is. IMO the voice sounds like Pellegrino's but I can't be sure. 

Just google Jared's Season 13 Finale vid and you should easily find it. It's towards the end of the vid.

[Jonesy]

4 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

You don't see the person's face, no. Just a quick glimpse when he and Jared hug. The dirty-blond hair is too non-descript, as is height and build to say who it is. IMO the voice sounds like Pellegrino's but I can't be sure. 

Just google Jared's Season 13 Finale vid and you should easily find it. It's towards the end of the vid.

Thanks!  I saw it.  To me don't think that is Mark's voice.  And slowing down the hair shot--doesn't seem as thick as Mark's hair from what I can tell.  Regardless I don't think the voice is Marks--a little close but not his.

Edited May 21, 2018 by Jakes

[BlueSapphire]

When do the guys get the first scripts of the new season?  Maybe Jensen will have something more concrete at the con in June?

[Jonesy]

22 minutes ago, BlueSapphire said:

When do the guys get the first scripts of the new season?  Maybe Jensen will have something more concrete at the con in June?

I think the writers started on the 12th--will take them a while to get the 1st full script in.  They'll get the broad parameters in first.  So by June should have some details but the question is will Jensen have it by then--maybe.  Also consider Jensen doesn't like to look ahead as much as Jared and Misha does.  Best bet for early info would be Jared imo.

Edited May 21, 2018 by Jakes

[Mulva]

My speculation is that the whole Deachael thing will be played for laughs and ended by S3.

[Aeryn13]

They start shooting again beginning or mid-July and IMO they get scripts the week or so before shooting so it`s highly unlikely either of them will have info in June. Unless either one or both had a general talk with the writers but that`s unlikely to happen in the middle of hiatus.  

Mark Pellegrino should know if he is under regular contract for Season 14 or not, though. In case, he isn`t, that doesn`t mean they can`t bring him back but then probably not right away.

To be honest, I think they should use Season 14 to handle all the remaining "world-spanning" problems, like of course Michael and the situation in heaven and wrap those up. Then make Season 15 the final Season and do something smaller and more intimate. I mean, have them start a school for hunters if you want or a better hybrid between MOL/hunters. The Winchesters as legendary figures would still involved in what is going on but are in the process of passing the torch. Which then happens in the Finale. 

But since they seem to think they have to top themselves in terms of grandiosness, the next bad guy is probably gonna be the Empty-keeper, a being so old and powerful it predates God and Amara.  

[gonzosgirrl]

2 hours ago, Aeryn13 said:

But since they seem to think they have to top themselves in terms of grandiosness, the next bad guy is probably gonna be the Empty-keeper, a being so old and powerful it predates God and Amara.

So what if Lucifer is dead, but Dabb's love for Mark Pellegrino lives on - and the Empty takes on the form of the last powerful entity to enter. Namely, Lucifer/Pellegrino.

Edited May 21, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[BabySpinach]

5 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So what if Lucifer is dead, but Dabb's love for Mark Pellegrino lives on - and the Empty takes on the form of the last powerful entity to enter. Namely, Lucifer/Pellegrino.

Anything that's not a resurrected Lucifer, pleeeeaaasseee. Flashbacks or hallucinations I can handle, just let him stay dead. 

[Casseiopeia]

25 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

So what if Lucifer is dead, but Dabb's love for Mark Pellegrino lives on - and the Empty takes on the form of the last powerful entity to enter. Namely, Lucifer/Pellegrino.

So Sam and or Jack pray for Lucifer to come back and take on Michael.  Instead the Entity shows up in Mark Pellegrino's form and that is the new big bad after he collects AU Michael.  Or worse Lucifer comes back but needs a new vessel so Sam says yes and the Apocalypse happens the way that that the angels wanted it to.

[gonzosgirrl]

25 minutes ago, Casseiopeia said:

So Sam and or Jack pray for Lucifer to come back and take on Michael.  Instead the Entity shows up in Mark Pellegrino's form and that is the new big bad after he collects AU Michael.  Or worse Lucifer comes back but needs a new vessel so Sam says yes and the Apocalypse happens the way that that the angels wanted it to.

If either Sam or Jack put any kind of trust in Lucifer, or for any reason at all tried to raise him again, then they are too stupid to live and I'd hope he vaporizes them both on sight. Honestly though, if Lucifer isn't dead, or stuck in the Empty forever, I think I'm done with this show.

[MysteryGuest]

On 5/20/2018 at 4:06 PM, Reganne said:

Now if they bring back Lucifer, the episode loses even more of it's good points/significance to the point that it would make the episode almost a waste of time and only a way to set up Michael/Dean instead of an ending to a larger arc as well.

Unfortunately, last season set the precedent for this.  They killed off everyone, but the only death that stuck was Crowley's.  It was completely stupid to kill Rowena...again, or to kill Cas and then have him tell everyone he'd be back the day after the finale aired.  What's interesting this time is that no one is saying much of anything, unless we accept this rumor about whoever Jared was supposed to have spoken with.  I think Mark S. made a point of stating he would not return after last season, because his contract was not renewed, and he was a bit bitter about it, IMO.  Mark P. may have opted not to return on his own.  I did see that he was in some new movie that's coming out, so maybe he has other things he'd like to do.  I hope so, because while I have nothing against the actor, personally, I am just done with Lucifer.  If they do bring him back after his big death scene, then they're complete idiots.

[Bobcatkitten]

I listened to Jared's live stream and that sounded nothing like Mark P. I'm happy how it ended and not going to be too worried about whether he comes back or not. Don't want to ruin my excitement for Mi!Dean.

[Castiels Cat]

Here is the my take on the finale.  In my opinion Supernatural went full on Greek tragedy and Dean fell  harder than Icarus.

https://thewinchesterfamilybusiness.com/articles/articles-40

[S Cook Productions]

I heard there will only be 20 eps in season 14...

[gonzosgirrl]

On 6/1/2018 at 6:15 PM, MysteryGuest said:

I thought Michael said that his meatsuit was shot?  Which means there should theoretically be a body back at the bunker with Cas, Mary and Co., but will there be?  If you leave one meatsuit for another, normally, the old meatsuit is left behind either dead, or as the original human.  Now's when I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the writers room as they try to come up with a plot to fit the cliffhanger. 

Brought over from the Public Appearances thread discussion about the possibility of the Christian Keyes meatsuit not being dead/returning to the show.

I think the bigger question is why would they let Michael out of Dean to re-inhabit the CK suit or some other hapless human? Seems to me the only choices are to kill him without killing Dean, or allow Dean to control/influence/change him from within until he's not a threat, or c) Sam, Cas, Jack save the day. Given that (edited) they need an archangel to fix Heaven, I'm envisioning a scenario where Sam, Cas and trap him and keep him captive until they figure out a way to convince him that humanity doesn't suck and saving heaven will redeem him. Probably while Dean is "living" on a beach somewhere, swilling Pina Coladas, eating bacon and oggling sweet young things in bikinis.

Or, you know, they find another magic golden egg, eject him, it all goes wrong and CKMichael is the big bad for the rest of the series.

Edited June 3, 2018 by gonzosgirrl

[DeeDee79]

17 minutes ago, gonzosgirrl said:

CKMichael is the big bad for the rest of the series.

I can buy an occasional appearance but with him being on another show would he even be available for a storyline as the big bad? Although since Asmodeus was the supposed big bad this season and we only saw him a handful of times I suppose it could work.

I've been skimming Tumblr and someone said that Sam should offer himself as a vessel for Cage!Michael in order to get AU!Michael out of Dean's body. It's not a spoiler or a spec just something that they thought would be "cool". *sigh*

[BabySpinach]

26 minutes ago, DeeDee79 said:

I can buy an occasional appearance but with him being on another show would he even be available for a storyline as the big bad? Although since Asmodeus was the supposed big bad this season and we only saw him a handful of times I suppose it could work.

I've been skimming Tumblr and someone said that Sam should offer himself as a vessel for Cage!Michael in order to get AU!Michael out of Dean's body. It's not a spoiler or a spec just something that they thought would be "cool". *sigh*

I'd only be okay with this if it's made abundantly clear that Michael!Sam is no match for Michael!Dean, since he's not the true vessel. If Sam wins that confrontation, it would have to be with everyone else's help, along with Dean fighting his Michael from the inside. Still not my ideal scenario, though. 

[catrox14]

1 hour ago, DeeDee79 said:

I've been skimming Tumblr and someone said that Sam should offer himself as a vessel for Cage!Michael in order to get AU!Michael out of Dean's body. It's not a spoiler or a spec just something that they thought would be "cool". *sigh*

I had this same spec back a while  ago that Sam would be  the "Real" Michael meatsuit to fight AU Michael. It would totally be within Dabb/Singer's wheelhouse to give us the Kripke brother vs brother but instead of Evil Sam vs Good Dean it would be "Good Michael" vs Evil AU Michael.

2 hours ago, gonzosgirrl said:

robably while Dean is "living" on a beach somewhere, swilling Pina Coladas, eating bacon and oggling sweet young things in bikinis.

I could live with this if we find out that Dean is gone because Jensen is off shooting Deadpool 3 as the new Deadpool . This is not a spoiler.  This is me hoping fruitlessly that Jensen gets to play Deadpool.

Edited June 2, 2018 by catrox14

[ILoveReading]

The biggest thing I want to see with Michael Dean is that Dean being his true vessel matters.   Unfortnately, the show isnt' off to a great start since that fight was pretty one sided with Lucifer dominating.

I hope they find another scenario.  I have no desire for a Michael vs Michael storyline.

[catrox14]

1 minute ago, ILoveReading said:

The biggest thing I want to see with Michael Dean is that Dean being his true vessel matters.   Unfortnately, the show isnt' off to a great start since that fight was pretty one sided with Lucifer dominating.

Agreed. And to that point my head canon is that since AU Michael isn't Cage!Michael, a Jack-grace powered Lucifer could get the upper hand in that fight.  I think a Dean possessed by a fully powered Cage!Michael would easily beat our Lucifer.

That said, I also won't be surprised if they have Jared play 'crazy Cage!Michael' if they go with Sam being possessed by him.  

[BabySpinach]

19 minutes ago, ILoveReading said:

The biggest thing I want to see with Michael Dean is that Dean being his true vessel matters.   Unfortnately, the show isnt' off to a great start since that fight was pretty one sided with Lucifer dominating.

I hope they find another scenario.  I have no desire for a Michael vs Michael storyline.

Lucifer was only dominating because he'd eaten Jack's grace. I'm sure either version of Michael in his true vessel would have pasted regular Lucifer to the wall, since even AU!Michael in his original meatsuit managed that. If he hadn't possessed Dean in the church fight, he may not have even lasted that long against supercharged Lucifer.

It's also textually stated that Michael would be stronger than he'd ever been if he possessed Dean. I'm relatively happy with that.

[Pondlass1]

I'm hoping for an interesting  Michael who walks our earth with wondrous eyes.  He's curious but  menacing.  He's struggling with this new  reality but learning quickly.  He's also struggling with a nuisance neighbour who's battling for control and won't stay still.  

It could be an acting tour de force for Jensen who's well able to portray inner struggles without a word being written.

But, sadly for us, episodes will likely focus on Sam finding a spell and Cas finding the ingredients.  Michael will be  the usual  eveeeel (maybe a penchant for 1920 gangster type activities). And around the third episode the writers will bring Dean  back.  There's not much to charisma to chew on when Dean's not around so it leaves writers  fumbling.

[companionenvy]

37 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

And around the third episode the writers will bring Dean  back. There's not much to charisma to chew on when Dean's not around so it leaves writers  fumbling.

To me, the only way a longer arc will work is if Michael and Dean are wrestling for control (which is what I'm hoping for). If Michael has taken over completely, and there is effectively no Dean Winchester during the Michael!Dean episodes, than the arc will have to be over quickly. 

[Pondlass1]

41 minutes ago, companionenvy said:

 if there is effectively no Dean Winchester during the Michael!Dean episodes, than the arc will have to be over quickly. 

Yes, this is what I think too.  

[MysteryGuest]

I wish that Jack had killed both Michael and Lucifer, and we could have an archangel free season 14.  For me, it all but insures that the show goes out on a whimper if they just keep up this relentless angel fight until the end.  I so couldn't care less about any of them. 

In my dream season, we explore more of the lore of the Men of Letters, re-open the American chapter (with Ketch's help, even), discover a whole new level of smarter, more organized monsters that require all of Sam and Dean's years of experience to hunt.  Show them mentoring new hunters.  I really want to be able to watch this show because I'm looking forward to every episode, as opposed to just watching because I like Sam, Dean and Cas and am committed to staying until the end.  Make me love the show again!!!

[ahrtee]

1 hour ago, companionenvy said:

To me, the only way a longer arc will work is if Michael and Dean are wrestling for control (which is what I'm hoping for). If Michael has taken over completely, and there is effectively no Dean Winchester during the Michael!Dean episodes, than the arc will have to be over quickly. 

I'd watch Jensen playing a carrot if it was well-written :)   Considering how excited he seems to be about playing a different character, and how so many of the fans seem pumped at seeing Jensen do something different, personally I'd feel cheated if he's back to plain old Dean in 3 episodes.  

I love Dean and yes, would like to see Dean in there somewhere, but after all the hype of "new character" I'd like to get a chance to see something other than depressed, downtrodden Dean feeling guilty and once again brought to task for being so stupid/needy/unthinking that he would allow Michael to take over.  If they can do that with "our" Dean, then fine.  If not, let Jensen have some fun for a change.  Even if he's not "Dean", Sam, Cas and all the others I'm sure will be constantly reminding us (and him) of how he's *supposed* to be, so Dean will be there in spirit if not in person.  

I'm looking forward to seeing something new (though not entirely hopeful that it'll actually happen.)

[Aeryn13]

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I'd watch Jensen playing a carrot if it was well-written :) 

Hahaha, I`d be so there for it.

[Casseiopeia]

I think by or before Episode 300 Dean needs to be back.  That is E13.  That gives Michael/Dean a good 8-10 episodes.  So the midseason finale would set up Dean on the brink of being saved/ejecting Michael, the midseason premiere achieving that goal and 1 or 2 eps having Dean get his bearings back.  That would be a satisfying run for not-Dean.  And I would be so ready to get Dean Winchester back....I miss him already.

[catrox14]

I love Dean Winchester a stupid amount. I mean it's kind of unhealthy TBH.   That said, I would be okay with him being present in the narrative by his absence. Kind of like how Castiel was all over the beginning of s13 with Dean's grieving him. Maybe other characters will finally talk about Dean and how they see him and maybe we don't necessarily see Dean battle Michael for control, as much as maybe we finally get a trip through Dean's headspace from a largely 100% objective character in AU Michael. 

[BabySpinach]

15 minutes ago, catrox14 said:

I love Dean Winchester a stupid amount. I mean it's kind of unhealthy TBH.   That said, I would be okay with him being present in the narrative by his absence. Kind of like how Castiel was all over the beginning of s13 with Dean's grieving him. Maybe other characters will finally talk about Dean and how they see him and maybe we don't necessarily see Dean battle Michael for control, as much as maybe we finally get a trip through Dean's headspace from a largely 100% objective character in AU Michael. 

I'll admit that I also like it when Dean is the one being worried about and angsted over for a change. He's so often the caretaker and leader that it's a nice shakeup to see the roles reversed. Basically, I want a bigger and longer version of Demon!Dean's absence and its effect on the others.