Spoiler Discussion: The apple was poisoned?!

[ShadowFacts]

 

If the show tries to pretend she did, it's a massive, obvious retcon aimed at only one thing--trying to make Outlaw Queen somewhat palatable.

 

Yeah, she couldn't have done that, not and have it be consistent with what we've been shown in Storybrooke.  Robin got the hots for her in front of our eyes, and from his actions at Zelena's farmhouse, etc. it was made to look like they never warmed up to each other in the missing year.  We saw Regina snapping at and barely tolerating him.  She is not the warm and fuzzy kind who goes around playing with children so she wouldn't have established a relationship with Roland without his dad being part of it.

[Tripp]

Yeah, she couldn't have done that, not and have it be consistent with what we've been shown in Storybrooke.  Robin got the hots for her in front of our eyes, and from his actions at Zelena's farmhouse, etc. it was made to look like they never warmed up to each other in the missing year.  We saw Regina snapping at and barely tolerating him.  She is not the warm and fuzzy kind who goes around playing with children so she wouldn't have established a relationship with Roland without his dad being part of it.

I disagree.  I think the reason they got along so well and so fast in Storybrooke is because they did warm to each other.  All the show shared with us during the missing year was the early moments when they first met and then 2 scenes near the end where she is upset he's there and then insults him at Rumple's castle. Out of context it seems like they didn't get along for the ENTIRE YEAR but I'm willing to bed they slowly did.  But regina is self destructive and probably would try to sabotage it.

 

And I think it very likely it's Roland that gets them talking in the first place.  She hurts for missing Henry and probably doesn't want to be around any children, especially a young boy but it's possible circumstances force to be with him anyway.  I know this is all theory but to me it makes the most sense and certainly explains how fast they came together in Storybrooke.  At the very minimum I have to believe they kissed at least once so to explain how they practically almost make out in the farmhouse.  Their minds may have forgotten but the shipper in me loves the idea that their bodies still remember.  

[Mari]

My guess would be that any Adam & Eddy penned episodes would be highly Frozen-centric. That's the kind of stuff where Disney will be very, very involved and the showrunners would be the ones they want writing it. It's possible this prince is related to the Robin Hood story, but I lean more towards this being a Frozen related prince - maybe it's both. Also, I sincerely hope that if they bring a prince into the Robin Hood story that it is not the actual historical figure of Prince John because he really existed and there is an extensive historical record of his real life actions. Twisting myths and legends is fine, twisting real historical figures does not work for me.

We don't know much about Hans, other than he's from a not Arendelle kingdom and has twelve brothers--if they're fictionalizing Prince John, could they mash Hans into that story?  I know that doesn't fit the historical story, but it would be a way to tie the Robin Hood thing in with Frozen.  I know Disney has a right rein on the Frozen characters, but are they going to care too much about the sociopathic villain?

 

Also, who fucking cares if Regina spent the entire missing year mothering Roland? He's not her child. She has no claim to him. Marian (and Robin) are *well* within their rights to decide who their child gets to spend time with. Especially when it comes to mass murderers/rapists/genocidal maniacs with a track record of abusing and endangering children and getting them killed.

 

Well, she apparently spent a number of years "mothering" Snow, and look how that turned out-yet another reason I've never figured out why Robin was jumping so quickly into that relationship.  A widower with a child shouldn't be so excited to start a relationship with a woman who's best known for marrying a widower with a child, conspiring to kill the widower, and then hunting his child that she stepmothered for years.  He should at least be cautious about her. 

 

Yet more proof that Marian should take Roland and move far, far way. 

Edited September 6, 2014 by Mari

[YaddaYadda]

I think I'll just reply in the Regina thread before we all get our hands slapped by our fearless mods ;)

 

ETA - Relationship, not Regina.

Edited September 6, 2014 by YaddaYadda

[KAOS Agent]

 

Finally as to the spoiler of the arrogant prince possibly being Little John, I say bring it on. One of my favorite movies of all time is The Lion in Winter and I hardly think most of the portrayals of historical characters (particularly John) are accurate.

 

But Prince John was a real person in our world. And he wasn't some guy like Blackbeard who is more myth and story than actual person, he was a huge part of Medieval England's history - Magna Carta, anyone? If Robin is the legendary figure who fought the real Prince John, how the hell did Robin, Marian and his Merry Men end up back in this world almost 1000 years after Richard returned from the Crusades? Plus, Sherwood Forest was like a day's hike from Regina's castle, so it's not in England. Prince John will not and does not work for a number of reasons. It's going to have to be some guy who fits the more negative portrayals of the historical Prince John, which is why I figure this prince could be related to the Frozen storyline like Hans' brother. 

Edited September 6, 2014 by KAOS Agent

[stealinghome]

I disagree. I think the reason they got along so well and so fast in Storybrooke is because they did warm to each other. All the show shared with us during the missing year was the early moments when they first met and then 2 scenes near the end where she is upset he's there and then insults him at Rumple's castle. Out of context it seems like they didn't get along for the ENTIRE YEAR but I'm willing to bed they slowly did. But regina is self destructive and probably would try to sabotage it.

That would contradict what Regina and Robin say in 3x19 (or 20? But I'm pretty sure it's 19), though. In 3x19:

Regina: So, the curse is broken.

Robin: Indeed. In the missing year, things were a bit rocky between us, yeah?

Regina: For some reason, you're so much more likable here in Storybrooke.

I'm not sure why Robin and Regina would claim they didn't get along during the Missing Year if they did. So, I'm not buying that they got particularly close during the missing year--another obvious retcon if the show tries to tell us they did. (Which is not to say that the show won't try to retcon that. But I think it's very telling that a few months ago, Adam and Eddie were all "no no, we're done with the missing year" and now suddenly are like "oh yeah, we're going back to the missing year.")

And honestly, if they didn't get close and Robin still let Regina spend a lot of time with Roland? He's dumber than a fucking post and Marian should be granted sole custody of that kid ASAP.

Edited September 6, 2014 by stealinghome

[ShadowFacts]

 

And honestly, if they didn't get close and Robin still let Regina spend a lot of time with Roland? He's dumber than a fucking post and Marian should be granted sole custody of that kid ASAP.

 

He does have shitty judgment, he let Roland be used as bait for the Shadow.  Marian for the custody win.

[kili]

He does have shitty judgment, he let Roland be used as bait for the Shadow.  Marian for the custody win.

Off to Robin's thread.

[Hookian]

I disagree.  I think the reason they got along so well and so fast in Storybrooke is because they did warm to each other.  All the show shared with us during the missing year was the early moments when they first met and then 2 scenes near the end where she is upset he's there and then insults him at Rumple's castle. Out of context it seems like they didn't get along for the ENTIRE YEAR but I'm willing to bed they slowly did.  But regina is self destructive and probably would try to sabotage it.

 

And I think it very likely it's Roland that gets them talking in the first place.  She hurts for missing Henry and probably doesn't want to be around any children, especially a young boy but it's possible circumstances force to be with him anyway.  I know this is all theory but to me it makes the most sense and certainly explains how fast they came together in Storybrooke.  At the very minimum I have to believe they kissed at least once so to explain how they practically almost make out in the farmhouse.  Their minds may have forgotten but the shipper in me loves the idea that their bodies still remember.  

Actually I do think there is a hint to this. 

 

There's something very different between their first mission and final mission. Regina's insults.

 

If you recall she was insulting Robin during the first mission and when they first met and she didn't bat an eye to what she said. However if you watch the scene where she says "where you come from people bathe in the river and use pinecones for money" after she says the comment she turns around and you can SEE on her face her regret for saying that comment. She didn't like saying that comment to him, so yes I think that viewing more flashbacks from their time in the EF would reveal that she did hide away some kind of feelings for him and he for her. Even in the EF they were drawn to each other but it was very subtle and not open like with Snowing.

 

I also believe Roland played a big role in the missing year in  regards to OQ as well.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Hookian

[shipperx]

Finally as to the spoiler of the arrogant prince possibly being Little John, I say bring it on. One of my favorite movies of all time is The Lion in Winter and I hardly think most of the portrayals of historical characters (particularly John) are accurate.

 

I adore The Lion in Winter as well. Kathryn Hepburn and Peter O'Toole rocked.

 

But Prince John was a real person in our world. And he wasn't some guy like Blackbeard who is more myth and story than actual person, he was a huge part of Medieval England's history - Magna Carta, anyone? If Robin is the legendary figure who fought the real Prince John, how the hell did Robin, Marian and his Merry Men end up back in this world almost 1000 years after Richard returned from the Crusades?

 

 

 

I believe that Blackbeard was an actual person as well.  With there being theories that he was executed for piracy primarily as a way for the Crown to distance itself from its policy of condoning privateering.

 

I know mileage will vary on these things, but I'm not terribly concerned if OUAT takes liberties with John.  For one thing Robin Hood is a mutable legend.  In all of them he wasn't against John.  That just came into being, probably for expediency, generations after the end of the rule of the Plantagenets. (And, as noted, other stories about that era, such as Lion in Winter, took significant liberties with these characters as well {and I tend to feel for the middle brother, Geoffrey, when he complains in Lion in Winter that no one ever remembers him.)  

 

There's actually plenty of evidence that Robin Hood's "Good" King Richard  was not a particularly "good' King however you wish to define it (he kept being ransomed because he tended to destroy places on his way to the Crusades, so they were more-or-less holding him for restitution of damages done when they captured him on his way back home from the Crusades).  And there probably was little discernible difference in Richard's absentee reign and when England was "under" Prince John while Richard was at the Crusade/being held hostage... because there's evidence that either way it was STILL their mother, Eleanor of Aquataine, doing the domestic ruling.  So basically the whole conflict of Robin Hood fighting John  the "bad king" during Richard "the good King"'s  time as hostage  was always dodgy.  There was little change in domestic policy during that time period because there really was little change in the controlling (feminine) hand.  It's that history had a tendency to like to de-emphasize the contributions of women, and when things like the Robin Hood legend was being cobbled together the Eleanor question was often being side-stepped.   

 

Plus, historically, both Richard and John were less than ideal kings. 

 

Basically the myth of Robin Hood, as it has developed, wasn't exactly historically accurate re: Richard and John in the first place.  Liberties were taken in who and what was designated "bad' vs. "good".  Historically, this is simply not clear cut or simple (and implies a difference in domestic policy that didn't really exist during Richard's time as hostage.)  However within the legend of Robin Hood, things are generally treated as far more clear-cut.

 

And in a story like Once, it's primarily myths and fairytales we're discussing rather than historical fiction, I don't think they have a great deal requiring them to be more historically accurate than the myths they are riffing upon such as Robin Hood or a 20th Century play like The Lion in Winter (and neither of these is remotely historically accurate).  It's "Storybrooke"... it's pretty much all re-takes on old legends/folktales. 

 

I'd go so far as saying if they nixed the whole Plantagenet angle and went with Frozen's Arendelle and Richard and John were Hans's brothers... I wouldn't scream too much about it.

Edited September 8, 2014 by shipperx

[Souris]

Press release for first ep.

 

Head-desking the Emma/Regina spoiler so hard.

 

I like the idea that Elsa and Anna's parents were on a journey to find the secrets to Elsa's powers. I had wondered about that myself

Edited September 8, 2014 by Souris

[stealinghome]

Sorry, I couldn't get past "Master storytellers" without laughing uproariously.

 

I second the Regina/Emma spoiler eyeroll. God, Regina is such a toddler. Protip, writers: if everyone feels the need to babysit Regina the second she has a hangnail, maaaaaaybe she's not nearly as redeemed/accepted/loved as you think she is.

[wingster55]

So the wedding they were going to in the movie is changed or they lied. 

[RadioGirl27]

You were faster than me Souris.

 

 

while on their honeymoon, Mr. Gold finds an intriguing object that makes him question whether or not he should officially give Belle control over the dagger that makes him The Dark One

I think this is the first time I have read something interesting and intriguing about season 4.

 

 

and Hook is dismayed to discover that Emma seems to be avoiding him while she tries to help comfort Regina after being the one responsible for bringing Marian back from the past and into Storybrooke.

But then I read this and my interest went down a 1000%.

[retrograde]

Well we knew the inane "Emma feels too guilty to start a new relationship after the Marian thing" plot was coming. At least it sounds like it's dealt with in the first ep.

[Souris]

I just had a thought. We've been thinking that the intrinsic issues from her past that were causing Emma to hold back from Hook for a bit were related to her magic. But what if it's Graham? She could be scared that Regina would take her anger over Marian out on Hook, would take his heart and crush it like she did Graham's. Now, theoretically, Emma could do magic to keep his heart from being ripped out, but maybe she doesn't know yet how to do that.

 

(I know, wishful thinking they'd actually deal with Regina killing Graham.)

 

So the wedding they were going to in the movie is changed or they lied.

 

They would totally have lied, in order to not get Elsa's hopes up. And since at that point Anna's memories of Elsa's magic had been removed, they wouldn't have told her the truth.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Souris

[KingOfHearts]

 

Head-desking the Emma/Regina spoiler so hard.

Agreed.

 

It's pretty apparent "Regal Woman" is Elsa's mom now. I wonder what "intriguing object" Rumple finds.

[FurryFury]

So Elsa's and Anna's parents made a voyage to learn about her powers? Why hadn't it occured to them to send trusted people instead, I wonder? I mean, leaving your country without a ruler with a kid heir isn't the brightest idea in the world... but then, neither is locking your magical prodigy daughter without any human connection throughout her childhood, so I guess it all makes sense.

[RadioGirl27]

I just had a thought. We've been thinking that the intrinsic issues from her past that were causing Emma to hold back from Hook for a bit were related to her magic. But what if it's Graham? She could be scared that Regina would take her anger over Marian out on Hook, would take his heart and crush it like she did Graham's. Now, theoretically, Emma could do magic to keep his heart from being ripped out, but maybe she doesn't know yet how to do that.

 

(I know, wishful thinking they'd actually deal with Regina killing Graham.)

This was the first thing I thought when Jennifer Morrison talked about Emma's issues (she said something about protecting not only her heart). But this writers love Regina too much to adress what she did to Graham.

[YaddaYadda]

Head-desking the Emma/Regina spoiler so hard.

 

You and me both.  Even one episode of Emma trying to "comfort" Regina over Robin is one episode too many.  Also, if this mean Hook never ever becomes a Regina fan/apologist/ass kisser, then I'm all for it!

 

The Rumple spoiler is intriguing.

 

Still don't care about Anna, Elsa, the Michelin man...

 

I like the Graham speculation.  I've wondered about that myself, but then it means that they have to dredge that whole nasty business up and what Regina did to him.  Emma should totally tell Regina..."Sucks to be you.  Remember when Graham started remembering, dumped you and came to me and then you just crushed his heart?  At least Robin is still alive!"

 

Boom!

[retrograde]

So Elsa's and Anna's parents made a voyage to learn about her powers? Why hadn't it occured to them to send trusted people instead, I wonder? I mean, leaving your country without a ruler with a kid heir isn't the brightest idea in the world... but then, neither is locking your magical prodigy daughter without any human connection throughout her childhood, so I guess it all makes sense.

Word. If Emma is really the savior, she needs to bring democracy to the fairy tale realms, stat. All the royalty on this show are dumb as shit.

[Curio]

while on their honeymoon, Mr. Gold finds an intriguing object that makes him question whether or not he should officially give Belle control over the dagger that makes him The Dark One

I think this is the first time I have read something interesting and intriguing about season 4.

I was really intrigued by this spoiler, too... and then I realized that it's probably just a reference to the chipped cup. But I welcome the writers to prove me wrong!

 

[Emma] could be scared that Regina would take her anger over Marian out on Hook, would take his heart and crush it like she did Graham's.

I would love for the show to address this, but Adam and Eddy have already clarified that Emma thinks Graham died of natural causes. Don't get me wrong, it would be awesome for Emma to learn the truth about Graham somehow in the premier episode and call Regina out on her hypocrisy. But. That would actually require the writers to include some interesting continuity by making a call back to an important detail from a previous season and explore the real emotional consequences it has on the main characters... and we all know the writers hate doing that.

Edited September 8, 2014 by Curio

[retrograde]

Looks like they're filming in Greenwood Park today and fans are down there. Apparently there is a portal

https://twitter.com/ahoycaptainswan/status/508990652672409600

In other news, I binge watched Chasing Life this weekend (the description didn't excite me but it's really good! Highly recommended for summer viewing) and Scott Michael Foster is a real standout. So now I'm actually looking forward to seeing what he does with Kristoff.

Edited September 8, 2014 by retrograde

[KingOfHearts]

http://tvline.com/gallery/fall-tv-spoilers-2014-season-premieres-photos/#!30/once-upon-atime/

 

I believe this is a new still, forgive me if I'm wrong. The article is what we already know. I hope we get some non-Frozen promo stills going soon of the premiere episode.

Edited September 8, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[sharky]

Nope, that's a previous released promo image. It got some of the Swan Queen fans all giddy or something and the Captain Swan fans all pissy. I don't fully understand it all, but then again I'm older than 15 so...

 

I really like the idea that Emma isn't necessarily trying to make friends with Regina as much as she is afraid of what Regina could do to Hook in retaliation for the whole Marian thing. And I think that definitely has merit -- if Regina goes to get Sidney's help in the present, it wouldn't be a big leap to assume that it's because of the situation with Emma.

[KingOfHearts]

 

Nope, that's a previous released promo image.

May I ask when?

[myril]

It's pretty apparent "Regal Woman" is Elsa's mom now.

 

Maybe, if they colored Pascale Hutton's hair (she's a blonde, in the movie Elsa's and Anna's mother has brown hair, although maybe Elsa's mother is someone else). Anyway. Neat that Pascale will grace the screen for a moment under the Once label. Too bad her own show (Arctic Air, about an aviation company in the north of Canada) was cancelled. She would be a real good hire for a musical episode btw (as proven in the 4th season of Sanctuary).

 

Anna in the past on a quest to help her sister, where she probably got lost or something, and guess likely either Rumple involved or whoever Elizabeth Mitchell is playing or both. Doesn't thrill me but doesn't sound so bad either. 

 

And Rumple finds some "intriguing object" - whatever. I am not intrigued.

 

But what is that about Will Scarlet? Unknown future? Didn't he get his happy "ending" in Wonderland? Of course, the future is always an undiscovered country, unknown (even for Rumple, who has proven to be a rather bad interpreter of visions of the future). Didn't watch Wonderland, still I am somewhat confused.

 

Emma and Regina, and the whole Marian affair - think enough is said about that by now.

 

They paid more attention to grammar this time. Congratulations.

 

 

May I ask when?

 

The picture was posted a week ago. And made its round on social media. 

Edited September 8, 2014 by katusch

[patchwork]

Emma trying to pacify Regina to protect Hook from potential backlash is about the only way this is palatable but I fear that this show will only go in that direction in order to make Emma look a fool for even thinking Regina would do such a thing.

[maryle]

So Elsa still want to find out the secret about the origin of her power and I'm guessing the snow Queen has something to do with that. (curse, blood relation...)

The knave could have some knowledge about it too and helping the investigation that seem a logical way .

An interesting bit about Rumple his storyline is mysterious for me at least the Snow Queen is not his ex !

Emma Regina bof !  Probably a one episode thing.

[Souris]

Pic of Elizabeth Lail/Anna on set. Guess she's the one portaling!

[queenbee]

http://www.latinpost.com/articles/20958/20140907/once-upon-a-time-season-4-air-date-cast-spoilers-frozen-characters-and-belles-mother-colette-will-premiere-in-new-episodes-on-abc-trailer.htm

 

I think the only new information is that Colette is in Storybrooke about to reunite with her daughter. Does this mean that she's been there all along (with some contrived story about why she and Belle haven't reunited already) or another change after the time travel adventures of Emma and Hook? (I am also wondering if this is just the journalist's own speculation.)

 

There is also speculation that she might join the cast in later seasons which I really hope is not true. Too many characters already.

[Souris]

I think that site is extrapolating about Colette being in Storybrooke. I don't think that's true. That wasn't part of the initial exclusive reveal, and I find it hard to believe that a UK site has that scoop. These aggregator websites do that ALL the time, speculating to add something to the original story, and most of the time it's bunk.

 

OT: And please don't call the people who write these things journalists -- they're NOT. (Journalism school grad here, and I get very cranky about untrained web writers or bloggers being called journalists. It's like calling somebody who tells you to take an aspirin a doctor.)

Edited September 8, 2014 by Souris

[dassala]

So the wedding they were going to in the movie is changed or they lied.

When was it said they were going to a wedding?

[retrograde]

I saw the movie on a plane and my memory is sketchy, but I too believed they were going to a wedding.

[sharky]

May I ask when?

I want to say it was last week -- looks like it was around Sept. 2. But I don't know why that story is then dated today -- perhaps the edit to it to add the other ABC things changed it. If you check in the fandom thread, there was a whole discussion about it.

 

OT: And please don't call the people who write these things journalists -- they're NOT. (Journalism school grad here, and I get very cranky about untrained web writers or bloggers being called journalists. It's like calling somebody who tells you to take an aspirin a doctor.)

As another J-School grad, I thank you for this! I have a sneaking suspicion there's going to be a bit of that going around the next few weeks as we get desperate before the premiere. But just remember -- if it's not a legit site with a proven track record like EW, TVLine, HitFix or any of the numerous TV writers who cover this stuff on a regular basis, take it with a big old grain of salt.

[FabulousTater]

When was it said they were going to a wedding?

It was never established IIRC. In the scenes before their parents' ship sinks, Anna says something like "See 'ya in two weeks" and Elsa was all "Do you have to go?" and that was it. Unless it's mentioned in another scene that I'm not remembering, it's never stated in the movie where their parents were going or why.

Edited September 8, 2014 by FabulousTater

[KingOfHearts]

The Frozen documentary that Elsa was originally going to be the villainous Snow Queen. The plot involved Anna going to her so she could freeze her broken heart.

 

I'm thinking on Once, Elsa's parents went to go see the Snow Queen to see how they could control or remove Elsa's powers.

Edited September 8, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[Shanna Marie]

I don't entirely mind the idea of Emma comforting Regina if it's on the level of "Breakups really suck, amiright? I'm sorry this happened, but I'm not sorry I saved Marian. I know you've got all that true love and soulmate stuff where you come from, with magic that tells you who to be with, but in this world, you just keep trying until you find the right one and get it right. Good luck with that."

 

Because what happened to Regina does kind of suck -- on the "I'm going to spend the weekend eating ice cream, drinking wine and watching chick flicks" level, not the "destroy the lives of everyone around me" level -- regardless of any "fault." And Emma is a good person who knows what heartbreak is, so she can feel bad that Regina feels bad. However, I really hope they don't blow this out of proportion because, seriously, they've had at the most two dates. That's barely at one Friday night sulking before defiantly going out on the town on Saturday levels of breakup. If I went on a downward spiral of evil rage every time a guy I'd gone out with a couple of times flaked on me and vanished, this city would be a smoking crater.

[Souris]

Captaincronut:

OUAT filming today, Elizabeth Lail and Emilie de Ravin were filming.

 

Dunno if they were filming together.

[KingOfHearts]

I agree, Shanna Marie. Showing encouragement and condolences is fine, but what frightens me is the possibility of her avoiding Hook over it. If she turns into a dark cloud for multiple episodes, then I'll have some problems. Her character writing hasn't been very appealing lately.

Edited September 9, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[KAOS Agent]

I think Emma avoiding Hook may be blown out of proportion. I mean there was clear video evidence of flirting prior to Grumpy showing up talking about being under attack and since that scene was in the promo I wouldn't worry too much about gloomy Emma. There is also a pretty passionate kiss followed by a date a few eps later, so this seems more like a promo misdirect or even Hook attributing Emma pulling away to the wrong thing.  I thought JMo said that Emma's issues about getting involved with Hook were internal and had something to do with her past. She's also said that Emma feels bad about screwing up Regina's romance, but would never apologize for saving someone's life so I don't see this as some season long arc of Emma giving up her romantic happiness because Regina is in a snit.

[Jean]

I don't care that it's one scene or multiple scenes or a whole damn arc but the fact that anyone has to apologize, comfort or feel guilty about Woegina, especially the woman who 5 seconds ago watched Woegina burn her mom at the stake, is downright disgusting. The number of characters this show has destroyed to prop poor poor St. Victim Woegina is disgusting. Why don't they just spin her off to her own damn show? Or spin off the other characters to another show so they can just have Woegina crying for 40 minutes. I'd like to see how well their pet can carry their fanfiction alone.

All I asked for was that Woegina not contaminate the characters I want to watch damn it. Now the only thing I will root for is for her to die and get off my damn screen.

[Souris]

CaptainCronut added in regard to Emilie/Belle:

yeah she was wearing fairytale land clothes. couldn’t really see it because he was sort of blocked. but it was EF clothes for sure.

 

So either Anna and Belle ran into each other at some point in the EF, or they were filming separate flashback scenes. I'm assuming they're on Ep. 6, "Family Business." This is the ep we meet Belle's mother, and I imagine Anna is doing something in relation to Elsa. Maybe this is when she meets Rumple?

[retrograde]

I think Emma avoiding Hook may be blown out of proportion. I mean there was clear video evidence of flirting prior to Grumpy showing up talking about being under attack and since that scene was in the promo I wouldn't worry too much about gloomy Emma. There is also a pretty passionate kiss followed by a date a few eps later, so this seems more like a promo misdirect or even Hook attributing Emma pulling away to the wrong thing.  I thought JMo said that Emma's issues about getting involved with Hook were internal and had something to do with her past. She's also said that Emma feels bad about screwing up Regina's romance, but would never apologize for saving someone's life so I don't see this as some season long arc of Emma giving up her romantic happiness because Regina is in a snit.

I think the episode will probably start off with Emma avoiding Hook the day after the blow-up at Granny's, and then he confronts her about it fairly early on (because it seems to be pre-Frozen) -- per what was seen filming -- and she admits she feels guilty about the Regina thing (A&E also said it would be her first hurdle, so I don't think it will just be in his head) and he says "That's silly, don't beat yourself up, etc" and they start to flirt or whatever, then they're interrupted by all the Frozen shit going down and that's the last we hear of it. As you say, they have to move on to her next issue which appears to be distinct from this one but comes to a head in ep 3, so they'd need to get cracking. And then it's Hook's turn to have issues.

[tv echo]

Once Upon a Time - Season 4 - New Promo
Posted by DarkUFO at Tuesday, September 09, 2014
http://www.spoilertv.com/2014/09/once-upon-time-season-4-new-promo.html

[KingOfHearts]

The promo is definitely good for explaining the show to newcomers. I see Sidney is going to be the Magic Mirror in Storybrooke. It really makes me curious what she needs him for.

 

I wish they should would show more serious promos that didn't have lame voiceovers. I've seen some fan trailers that blow these promos out the water.

Edited September 9, 2014 by KingOfHearts

[maryle]

The new promo seems to target newcomer  (because Frozen buzz) it is a cute little intro to the Once world and Elsa is not shown to be the villain at all instead they play a not very probable rivalry between her and the Evil Queen. They  are really playing more closer to the vest with their plot this time.

[Amerilla]

The promo was ok, but I wish they had filtered out some of the characters that are dead or otherwise long gone. Nice of them to slip Maleficent in there, though. Forshadowing!

 

I know they're trying to recreate the cartoon version of the Beauty and the Beast dance, but Emilie looks so much prettier in her normal gold gown than the fluffy light yellow thing here, and that particular shade of blue in his costume does Bobby no favors. The only potential saving grace of that scene is that they both already know how to dance, so they can probably stick the choreography. 

Edited September 9, 2014 by Amerilla

[RadioGirl27]

Ok, I really think that whoever does the promos for this show should be fire. They are always so bad.

[YaddaYadda]

The promo is ok.  I get why they went with this, if Frozen fans tune in, they have to know whose who.  I wish they'd do a nice promo for the regulars though.