Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[kitmerlot1213]

51 minutes ago, FnkyChkn34 said:

Some relationship!  They have no sexual relations - Dario sleeps on the floor, and she won't even kiss him.  She refuses to take his money (now knowing that it's counterfeit, sure, but even before) and really wants absolutely nothing to do with him except to fake it in front of the immigration officer.  So... yeah.  I don't see that as her being dependent on a man at all, or jumping into a "relationship" just because Chad did.  Sorry, I know the Abby hate is strong in this forum, and I'm no super huge fan myself, but I don't see her as how you are characterizing her at all.  Respectfully agree to disagree.

How did this become about Abby hate?  For the record, I hated Abby when KM played her but I've actually liked MM in the role and the whole point of my post was that Abby should not be let off the hook because of Dario's actions.  She needs to be held accountable and only then will she learn from her mistakes.

Abby made the choice to marry Dario because to me she didn't want to be alone and she wanted to look like she was in a relationship because Chad had moved on and perhaps she needs someone to point out that Chad made the attempt to move on because Abby initiated the divorce by deciding to marry Dario in the first place?  Right now Abby's life is a vicious circle of her making horrible life choices and instead of being forced to face up to them and learn, she's has a list of Hortons ready to excuse her and to blame others.

I want Abby to become an actual adult and that will never happen if she keeps getting excused for bad choices.

Edited July 21, 2017 by kitmerlot1213

[Silver Raven]

"No wonder she's such a tight ass."

I'm confused.  How does breaking up Marlena and John get Hattie Roman?

I like Anjelica's jacket.

It sounds like Dario really thinks that Chad did kill Deimos.

I have to laugh at Hope telling Rafe to stay out of their Dario investigation because it's too personal.

yay, Bonnie. This should be fun.

[rcc]

Bonnie was before my time but I think the two of them will be a lot of fun to watch.

[BlackMamba]

I guess these Salemites are never going to get away from not babying Abigail and her fucks up.  Now Hope is all like "Abby is like my daughter, I could had stopped her from marrying Dario"

HOPE YOU MY GIRL, BUT REALLY BITCH!!! REALLY!!!

 I need for someone who isn't a Horton, Johnson or Devereux that will call Abby out and stop making her an innocent victim with EVERYTHING!  Goddamn the whole Bill Horton side of the Hortons are just so annoying.  Abby is in her late 20s going on 30s.  She's not on her Jennifer's milk anymore!  Yes Abby is mentally ill but she isn't so helpless she needs to be locked at SHADY HILLS again.  Abby made the choice to help Dario, he took advantage of her kindness and she did it  and also Chad moved on with Gabi.  Like cmon Days.  Abby has her faults, she's not a saint!  Thank goodness Kate doesn't buy into it let's feel awful for Abigail hour.  Jeez! 

Other than that I really enjoyed this week.  Really good stuff and Days is getting their entertainment value back.  Lauren Kos. is bringing it with RC's character driven material.  RC must loved reading her character history and the name that popped into his head probably was "Dorian!" ?

[Rowan]

I guess I really don't fault Abby for making the decision to marry Dario. Barring my missing something over the last two shows both being preempted, I don't see how Abby could have foreseen the mess this Dario situation has devolved into.

Her hubs was in love with another woman. She divorced him so he could move on. Someone she considered a friend overstepped and asked her to basically save his life. She did it, and she's made it clear time and again she has no romantic feelings for him to him. He's a criminal who pretty much hates Chad. She didn't make him into that. Without her involvement, they might have never stumbled onto the counterfeiting/hacking bs going on. Was it advisable to marry Dario? Umm, no, but I never thought it was about anything but a sense of obligation. A sense of obligation that wasn't earned by the storytelling, but, hey, I feel that way about Chad/Gabi's love story, as well, but I roll with it.  

[Frozendiva]

Either Kate buys multiples of clothing or she sure got her  baby food stained pristine white lace blouse washed, dried, and ironed/pressed within record time! I did enjoy her banter with Andre and telling Abigail the truth.

Abigail does need to take some responsibility for her life choices. She had plenty of time to call up an immigration lawyer to ask about Dario and his immigration 'issues' before marrying him. Daughter of a journalist and she can't ask a few questions?  I Google people if I go out on a date with them - to see if they have any upcoming court appearances and are hiding say, domestic abuse charges. She's not a victim but some people do like being victimators. She's been around a couple blocks and simply hasn't fallen off the Salem Turnip Truck.

Hope, Abigail being your adult niece means she makes her own choices and deals with whatever consequence they bring. And no, you cannot take another's lesson away from them. Abigail is NOT your daughter and you have no business interfering with her life unless SHE asks you to do so.  Yes, she may have mental health issues and her counsellor should have spoken to her about marriage. But the counsellor cannot make the decisions for her. Only thing you can really do is get Kate's poison brownies recipe and maybe feed them to Dario. Kate handled her appropriately.

Nice to see a bit of Paul's 5-O character come out when Xander made the crap comment about his being a man. Prisoners in Greece get to wear tank tops as their uniform? The porn magazine (although now a bit dated with the Internet) could have been used to set him up. Or he could be guilty.

Rafe, you do not need to be part of your brother's arrest. A bit conflict of interest as he is family.

Hattie, you are funny in Marlena's itchy attire. You and Bonnie Lockhart may make for some entertaining times. But I really don't get Angelica - with a frozen face, how do you expect to get Justin back? You can't manipulate stuff and maybe hope that eventually he may see that you are someone he'd like to spend time with. Does Hattie really want Roman? I'd want a dude who I can understand while he is talking! 

[boes]

I watched today for the first time in months - or at least I watched as long as I could stand it.

John - like the gray hair.  Otherwise, he's still the "smell the fart" guy.

Andre is more palatable than I've ever seen him, downright verging on charm and common sense.

Kate - I'm a Kate fan anyway, but I also liked what I saw in how she related to Andre and Chad and Abigail.

Abigail - this actress is about a million times better than Mansi could ever hope to be.  Abigail has her problems, but she's no longer handicapped be being played by a talentless valley girl hack.  Too harsh?  Nah....

Dario is a waste.

But Rafe is worse, so much worse.  He makes DH look Shakespearean.  And what's with him arresting his own brother?

Hope and Rafe are a black hole of charm.  They have absolutely none.

Oh yeah, Morgan Fairchild.  How do you tell the difference between her and a mutant teletubbie?  Other than the teletubbie has more talent and physical appeal....

[msrachelj]

On 7/20/2017 at 10:29 PM, Frozendiva said:

No pre-emption here in Canada!

Dario's phone pic of Chad could easily have been photoshopped. No real proof that it means that Chad killed Deimos. Deimos may have been dead for an hour before that picture was taken. And who exactly took the photo?

At least Gabi wore something a bit more appropriate today.

Good for Hope getting a visit from the Salem Brain to think that Sonny is not the killer.

Eli, stop being a control freak. Yeah, your partner is a little late. Let it happen once.

Myron, it's time to pack up the stuff and head outta Dodge.

Did enjoy the Andre and Kate babyfood fight.

photoshopped , yes it could have been. but abby in all her wisdom said yesterday that it looked real to her! wow, that's pretty amazing. photoshop has fooled people with more expertise than her, but abby can tell.

[Apprentice79]

9 hours ago, boes said:

I watched today for the first time in months - or at least I watched as long as I could stand it.

John - like the gray hair.  Otherwise, he's still the "smell the fart" guy.

Andre is more palatable than I've ever seen him, downright verging on charm and common sense.

Kate - I'm a Kate fan anyway, but I also liked what I saw in how she related to Andre and Chad and Abigail.

Abigail - this actress is about a million times better than Mansi could ever hope to be.  Abigail has her problems, but she's no longer handicapped be being played by a talentless valley girl hack.  Too harsh?  Nah....

Dario is a waste.

But Rafe is worse, so much worse.  He makes DH look Shakespearean.  And what's with him arresting his own brother?

Hope and Rafe are a black hole of charm.  They have absolutely none.

Oh yeah, Morgan Fairchild.  How do you tell the difference between her and a mutant teletubbie?  Other than the teletubbie has more talent and physical appeal....

Boes, your commentary is hilarious.  My goodness! please keep it going for however long you watch the show..

[tribeca]

There was something very wrong with Rafe being the one arresting Dario.  Does Rafe even care about his brother?   It did not seem like it.   Dario yelling there are bigger fish.   This is not going to end well.  

I am going to the ask a question thread because I have no idea who this Haddie is and need some answers.   

[Rowan]

1 hour ago, tribeca said:

There was something very wrong with Rafe being the one arresting Dario.  Does Rafe even care about his brother?   It did not seem like it.   Dario yelling there are bigger fish.   This is not going to end well.  

I am going to the ask a question thread because I have no idea who this Haddie is and need some answers.   

I honestly thought, Galen did a good job as he was arresting him with that little line about being his brother or something, I can't exactly remember it, but I was like, whoa!, a little nuance, good for you, GG. He's usually about as interesting to me as crumpled up cardboard box. 

Conflict of interest is used arbitrarily in the Salem version of law and order, that's for sure. 

[rcc]

I liked the dual roles that DH and JE are playing right now. Bonnie and Hattie are a hoot. Great acting from great daytime actresses. This storyline should be a good one.

[lb60]

1 minute ago, rcc said:

I liked the dual roles that DH and JE are playing right now. Bonnie and Hattie are a hoot. Great acting from great daytime actresses. This storyline should be a good one.

lol  I feel the exact opposite.  I already hate it.  JE is fine, but, IMO, DH does not have the chops to pull off Hattie.  

[Apprentice79]

13 minutes ago, lb60 said:

lol  I feel the exact opposite.  I already hate it.  JE is fine, but, IMO, DH does not have the chops to pull off Hattie.  

I agree. I preferred Andrea Hall as Hattie. Personally, I feel this story was so unnecessary...

[TeeVee329]

Marlena and Adrienne talking about wishing "there were 2 of me" and then the immediate cut to their doppelgangers was so classically Ron, it should be in a textbook lol.

[Silver Raven]

1 hour ago, Apprentice79 said:

I agree. I preferred Andrea Hall as Hattie. Personally, I feel this story was so unnecessary...

What story is necessary?  Why even have a show?

[Apprentice79]

2 minutes ago, Silver Raven said:

What story is necessary?  Why even have a show?

We have had enough doppelganger stories on this show to last a lifetime..

[TeeVee329]

*shrug* Doppelgangers are a soap staple.  What's next, no more baby swaps or love triangles? 

And it's not like Ron invented Hattie and Bonnie, they already existed.

[Sidney]

1 hour ago, lb60 said:

lol  I feel the exact opposite.  I already hate it.  JE is fine, but, IMO, DH does not have the chops to pull off Hattie.  

When Stefano paralyzed Marlena a few years back, Marlena's dead sister Samantha came to visit her in the hospital.

Deidre played dual roles of her and her sister. I was so looking forward to those scenes. Needless to say they were a huge disappointment. The scenes were cringeworthy. Deidre is just not good in those kinds of scenes. She's too hammy.

[Silver Raven]

Did those donuts have JJ's secret ingredient in them?

No, the case against Sonny is not pretty solid.

Adrienne, your most loving and thoughtful son in the whole world just fired a whole bunch of people just because of who hired them.

I love Hattie and Bonnie together.

[Apprentice79]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

*shrug* Doppelgangers are a soap staple.  What's next, no more baby swaps or love triangles? 

And it's not like Ron invented Hattie and Bonnie, they already existed.

Bonnie was never Adrienne's doppelganger.  Ron retcon that.  The show never even made any comment about Bonnie looking like Adrienne...Bonnie was a part of the Horton family via Mickey. Mickey is Jennifer's uncle and Jennifer is Adrienne's sister-in-law because she is married to her brother Jack. Mickey also was Adrienne's attorney when she and Justin got a divorce, for the first time.

Edited July 24, 2017 by Apprentice79

[TeeVee329]

But Judi Evans having played another character on this show was part of the show's history and he used that for this story.  It's not like he was like, "Oh, I'll create a dual role for Judi Evans out of nothing!".

Whatever, I think it's fun.

[Star Aristille]

Holly's already growing a tooth?  I thought they don't come in till at least a year after birth.

I appreciated the Mimi mention, and the reminder of the reason for Bonnie being in prison is that she took the rap for her killing her father when she was a kid.  Interesting to hear that she's living large in Arizona, though, especially considering that Farah Fath's also living large -- up in Canada with a well-to-do guy.

29 minutes ago, TeeVee329 said:

But Judi Evans having played another character on this show was part of the show's history and he used that for this story.  It's not like he was like, "Oh, I'll create a dual role for Judi Evans out of nothing!".

Whatever, I think it's fun.

I do, too.  I'm very interesting to see where this storyline goes.

[DisneyBoy]

I actually kind of enjoyed Bonnie and Hattie today - Judi brings out the best in Deidre I suspect - but I just don't think Deidre has it in her to play a dual role. It always seems like Marlena's doing a bad job of trying to pretend to be someone else, rather than actually being Hattie.

What makes Eileen so good at dual rules is that you can tell from her performance when Susan is actually Kristen impersonating Susan versus being the real Susan. All I see from Deidre is Marlena with a few weak affected mannerisms or an in-and-out Southern drawl, depending on the line.

Today we got our first look at Ron's version of Nicole, Eric and Brady. I have to say I was hoping for more of a change. It would have been so refreshing to see Brady backpedal and realize he was dogpiling on Nicole and that he needs to just accept the fact that there probably still is some emotional baggage between her and Eric and he's fine with that. Or are we too far gone now to pretend that Brady can actually be a Big Boy?

Instead of the course correction we got him literally putting his hands around Nicole's throat to pull her into a kiss and then telling her that he wants her to come straight back to him the minute she doesn't have to be around Eric anymore, and Nicole blathering on and on about how she hates him and can ever forgive him, like she's afraid Brady's about to beat her up and has to convince him at all costs for her own safety that his step-brother is not a threat.

That's what I saw today. As much as I'm fed up with Nicole, I think I'm starting to dislike Brady too. I never realized how much of a pattern there was with all of his exes groveling before him for forgiveness and acceptance without any shred of dignity and Brady huffing and puffing and looking like he wants to throttle them...but then forgiving them enough to get into bed with them again.

Massively unhealthy.

I hope Xander cuts a deal and gets out of prison. Paul Telfer brings a lot to the show and while I never liked the writing for his character I'm always happy to see him back. There's a playfulness there. I think they could redeem him and make him more valuable in the long run with some good writing.

Was Nicole talking to Maggie about Summer when they were discussing having your baby taken away...?

It was really nice to see Eric smiling and looking relaxed and at ease at the Martin house. I think it's pretty clear Jennifer is still really into him and it's kind of funny watching her weak tea attempt at school girl flirting. The donuts! The secret ingredient was love! *gag*

Quick Jennifer - ask him to the Sadie Hawkins dance before you get cold feet!!

I'm going to love seeing her smackdown Brady tomorrow. Not only does he deserve it from someone, but it's going to be fun watching her get pissed off at Brady interfering in her so-called love life.

Edited July 24, 2017 by DisneyBoy

[TeeVee329]

How is Xander related to the Kiriakis again?

I was also happy to hear that Mimi (a.k.a. Farah Fath) is far, faaarrr away.

Edited July 25, 2017 by TeeVee329

[YupItsMe]

2 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

I actually kind of enjoyed Bonnie and Hattie today - Judi brings out the best in Deidre I suspect - but I just don't think Deidre has it in her to play a dual role. It always seems like Marlena's doing a bad job of trying to pretend to be someone else, rather than actually being Hattie.

This! I just don't feel it. She's not Hattie. She's Marlena pretending to be Hattie...

[Silver Raven]

Quote

How is Xander related to the Kiriakis again?

He's the son of a Victor brother who was never mentioned before.

[TeeVee329]

But he's not Deimos' son, right?  He's the son of yet another retconned Victor brother?  ...'kay?

[Silver Raven]

1 minute ago, TeeVee329 said:

But he's not Deimos' son, right?  He's the son of yet another retconned Victor brother?  ...'kay?

Right.  Deimos is his uncle.

[Frozendiva]

Someone at work had a baby in October. By May, he had a couple of teeth. Holly may be a few weeks early for getting teeth.

Bonnie being Adrienne's doppelganger/twin may only go so far - unless Hattie or Angelica or whoever knew that Adrienne had cancer and surgery. Nice to see a Mimi reference. Arizona is a long way from Salem.

Nicole, stand up to the moron that is Brady and let him go. You shouldn't need to grovel at him. That is not love. It is need and co-dependence. You can raise Holly on your own for a while. Brady is still a manchild. Yes, he should accept that you and Eric had a history and have some baggage and she simply cannot erase him. It's a pattern he's had with most of his love interests. Doesn't make for a great catch. Some therapy and him being alone without a woman for a bit may help him.

Grandma Horton's secret donut ingredient was 'love'? ROFLMAO! Probably no one else in the family had any baking skills, so when something tasted good, it was 'love'?

Victor, no one would believe that you killed Deimos.

Xander, maybe we can find out that you are really someone else or a young ISA agent?

[annabel]

It would be awesome if it could be retconned that Xander was actually someone else, as I really like the actor, but Xander has been so awful and despicable that I don't think he can be redeemed at all. 

[MsTree]

9 hours ago, DisneyBoy said:

What makes Eileen so good at dual rules is that you can tell from her performance when Susan is actually Kristen impersonating Susan versus being the real Susan. All I see from Deidre is Marlena with a few weak affected mannerisms or an in-and-out Southern drawl, depending on the line

Exactly! Even when Eileen was playing multiple characters, you could always tell the difference...she's just that good!

As for Deidre, IMO she's playing Hattie as if Marlena was drunk (no inhibitions).

[swtrgrl]

I hate dopplegangers. I've had my fill from The Vampire Diaries. I love Judi and Deidre but...please stop this. It's stupid. 

[swtrgrl]

WRT: 7/25 episode (today)

OH MY GOD, seriously, Dario? Witness protection? Really? Seriously? 

[kitmerlot1213]

Today was a good episode in that we had people realizing that not everything is black and white.  I like that Chad, Gabi and Abby realize that Dario has done some horrendously criminal acts, but he's not evil or irredeemable---they are giving him a chance to do the right thing.

I also liked Nicole's admitting that she was holding onto her anger and refusing to acknowledge Eric;'s pain and genuine need for forgiveness--good for her for wanting to let go of her anger and her agreeing to read Eric's letters was rather lovely.

I've come to the realization that I just don't like Theo--the young man playing him is a good actor, but the character bores me.

Edited July 25, 2017 by kitmerlot1213

[swtrgrl]

I agree, kitmerlot1213. I hate the WitSec thing but I like how they don't just give up on him altogether.

The Nicole/Eric stuff was good. I'm glad she's letting go a bit. 

I like Theo okay but yeah, they need to give  him more. It seems like they are starting to give him more with the computer stuff. Im glad. the actor is definitely talented enough to handle more.

[hielandfoodie]

Xander, Bonnie, and Hattie GO AWAY NOW! This is a stupid story line.

[Sandman]

I'm sure Bonnie and Hattie are fun for the actresses who play them. And it looks like Adrienne's and Marlena's friendship is an echo of the friendship between the actresses. That said, I find doppelganger stories kind of a bore, staple or not.  The whole prospect is just making me tired. Certain tropes may be defended, unrealistic as they are, as being sturdy old features of the genre; that's not the same as a compelling reason why they need to be reused.

[Silver Raven]

Ugh, smug Dario is repugnant.

Oh shut up, Raines.

Are they chemistry testing Jennifer and Brady?

Abigail doesn't mind getting Theo involved in criminal activity, does she?

What did Gabi find on the floor?

[LadyJaney]

17 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Grandma Horton's secret donut ingredient was 'love'? ROFLMAO! Probably no one else in the family had any baking skills, so when something tasted good, it was 'love'?

I'm beginning to think those donuts are laced with Halo ...

I'm so disappointed that they didn't go with Jen and Eric.  I like them together.  I still hope for them eventually.

I agree that Nicole/Brady feels more possessive/borderline abusive than loving.  It's like you have to jump through hoops to please Brady or else you are begging forgiveness.  This guy has had more issues and made more mistakes than he can count.  Plus he's a moron.  He truly has no room to judge.

I'm on board with some sort of Xander redemption and keeping him on board.  I want him to still be a snarky guy with some bad boy mixed in, but I want some heart in there.  They need to fix him with someone who would be the polar opposite of him and sees his good.  Like Kayla did when she first met Steve...

[Silver Raven]

The only people Dario could possibly roll over on are Xander, Stefano, or Anjelica, right?

[tribeca]

Jennifer was telling a story about her at nine years old finding out the secret ingredient was love.  I found that story sweet.  Eric and Jennifer were cute talking to each other even though I think Nicole/Eric have more chemistry.  

Loved Jennifer being direct and tough with Brady.  He really needs that.  He is way to spoiled.   

[Frozendiva]

Brady, I'd take a good long hard look at myself and my jealousy issues and my ego and need to control things. Nah, people won't really love you - they may, but many will walk as they don't need to grovel for your 'forgiveness'. No need to really care that Nicole and Eric have a past history and some baggage to deal with. Nicole loves *you*. Jennifer should be getting tough on you. Both of you are addicts and also have an addiction to unsatisfactory relationships.

It was sweet that Nicole did read the letters and maybe got to know Eric a bit better and understand his pain. It was a start for her in hopefully growing up a bit.

Jennifer, Brady is probably not a good prospect for you. Maybe just be single for a bit.

Who is Dario going to sell out? Kinda convenient to get in to Witness Protection.

I thought Gabi found Abigail's engagement ring on the floor.

[ihavenoidea]

Imo they aged up Brady way too much.  He was born 5 months before Abby.  It's just odd that he's now in some kind of love square with her mother.

Why is Gabi freaking out about a maybe kiss?  She was kissing Chad while he was married, then proceeds to tell Abby when she leaves him that they did nothing wrong.

Greg Vaughan needs to chill with the whispering.

[Star Aristille]

Well, if there's one change Ron made of which I approve, it's that he finally made Nicole get the hell over herself where Eric is concerned.  Their scenes today were very well done.  Kudos to Arianne and Greg.

Melissa was also great as Jennifer reamed Brady out.  She was tough and firm, yet surprisingly gentle and calm at the same time.  Eric (Martsolf, not Brady) played off her very well, too.

I don't know why Abigail won't just tell Chad what Dario has on him, already.

[Sandman]

6 hours ago, LadyJaney said:

This guy has had more issues and made more mistakes than he can count.  Plus he's a moron.  He truly has no room to judge.

Why do women keep lining up at Brady's door? I mean, what a catch! He's thin-skinned, snarly, insecure, and given to yelly, jealous tantrums. His sobriety always seems to be teetering on a knife-edge of grievance and self-pity, and he constantly has to be reminded that he actually loves people, such as his step-brother and, well, Nicole. Not to mention the moron thing.

[Apprentice79]

1 hour ago, ihavenoidea said:

Imo they aged up Brady way too much.  He was born 5 months before Abby.  It's just odd that he's now in some kind of love square with her mother.

Why is Gabi freaking out about a maybe kiss?  She was kissing Chad while he was married, then proceeds to tell Abby when she leaves him that they did nothing wrong.

Greg Vaughan needs to chill with the whispering.

You are correct, Brady was supposed to grow up with Abigail.   In fact, they were a destiny couple like Ciara and Theo were hinted to be...Isabella was best friends with Jack. I loved that friendship and they wanted their kids to grow up together.. Abigail was born at the same moment that Isabella lost her life...

[Sandman]

17 minutes ago, Star Aristille said:

Their scenes today were very well done.  Kudos to Arianne and Greg.

It was such a refreshing change -- two people actually dealing with real emotions, in a moving, humane way. I wish the show would let them do that more.

[YupItsMe]

7 hours ago, Silver Raven said:

Are they chemistry testing Jennifer and Brady?

Jennifer needs a mature, adult man who's closer to her own age (character wise) and in a similar position in life. Maybe they could get a hunky carpenter to do some work on her house and have them fall madly in love - until Jack comes back from the dead and ruins it all, of course.

[Sidney]

2 hours ago, ihavenoidea said:

Greg Vaughan needs to chill with the whispering.

That's what annoys me so much. LOL