Current Plots Discussion: Actually Today's Episode

[ShadowSixx]

Well for Sonny if he ain't gotta a man, he got a hand or he can convert and come to me. 

[QuelleC]

 

The last time I stopped watching was the Quad of Doom From Hell -- Belle, Philip, Mimi, and Shawn-Douglas (I think)? Oh my god, that was a dreadful time -- not only was everything boring and repetitive, there were *constant* flashbacks to boring things that had *just* happened.

I loved Jan Spears.  But yeah you're right.  To this day you can visit the FB Days page anytime and watch people whine about getting Belle and Shawn back.  Having them back wouldn't be a bad thing if it was written well (ha!) but being nostalgic for that trading partners across the hall mess baffles me. As for Claire? Casper, Ciara and Ari are enough kiddies for me. Maybe someday they'll let Joey out of Caroline's attic.

[QuelleC]

 

I maintain Mickey faked his death to get away from his harpie.

I said a long time ago he'd rather die off camera while packing then to go on vacation with Naggie. 

 

I think Theresa is more like Sami than most.  She's snarly over being hated for no good reason yet she can play the drunk and the sister and bounce off of Ann and LOTS of things so I will always be a fan. 

Edited April 15, 2015 by QuelleC

[jsm1125]

I so wish that Chad and Theresa would be allowed to interact. They would make quite snarky and attractive children.

[Sandman]

Why would people want to see Sparkle Paul beat Won't? Sparkle's the "victim" of a scheme that misfired. Won't the victim of his own lack of impulse control who needs to stay the hell away from Sparkle. Two self-centered, marginally functional people beating on each other doesn't sound fun for the viewer.

[TigerLynx]

I don't understand why AS/Sami leaving the show had Corday and the writers decide they have to turn Will or someone else into the new Sami.

 

I think Theresa would be great as a bad girl or anti-heroine.  She can have characteristics that are similair to Sami's, but she doesn't have to be the new Sami.

[LeftPhalange]

Why would people want to see Sparkle Paul beat Won't? Sparkle's the "victim" of a scheme that misfired. Won't the victim of his own lack of impulse control who needs to stay the hell away from Sparkle. Two self-centered, marginally functional people beating on each other doesn't sound fun for the viewer.

 

If anything, Sparkle should be getting his ass beat for incessantly going after someone else's husband. Of course, Will can't do anything about that now since he cheated, but still. The only victim here is Sonny. 

[bobcat1946]

Will is acting like Sonny cheated on him instead of him cheating on Sonny.

[Apprentice79]

If anything, Sparkle should be getting his ass beat for incessantly going after someone else's husband. Of course, Will can't do anything about that now since he cheated, but still. The only victim here is Sonny. 

That is so true! Sonny is raging internally and Will keeps pushing him..Everybody has a breaking point...If Will does something stupid again, it is not going to be good for him...Sonny spent the night away from him to prevent a tragedy....Sonny is thinking of his daughter, while Will is thinking of only himself and his feelings...He needs to focus on Sonny, his marriage and Arianna. 

 

I hope the writers realize that Will as the new Sami failed and have him go back to being the man that he was when Chandler played him...

Edited April 15, 2015 by Apprentice79

[bantering]

But, she hasn't been one of his patients.

 

She might have to pretend to be one to get back into his apartment to find the diamonds!

[minirth]

Will is acting like Sonny cheated on him instead of him cheating on Sonny.

bobcat, you NAILED it.

The thing is, this entire story, Will's characterization included, could work if we could trust the writers had a plan. The reason Will is acting like Sonny cheated has to be overwhelming guilt, as is his fixation on Sonny and Paul. How many times have we heard Will whine about how Paul still wants Sonny, how hard it is to say no to Paul? Even now that he knows that Sonny DID say no to Paul? The only way Will can deal with his guilt is to convince himself that Paul simply cannot be resisted, and that Sonny will inevitably succumb to him.

And that ties in to his character flaw of deflecting blame and responsibility. Some brilliant person above pointed out that Sami would tell any lie she had to tell, but that Will actually BELIEVES his lies. I completely agree, and it shows the difference between Will and Sami. I'm not sure (because DAYS was very rarely my soap and I missed huge swaths of history) how much guilt Sami ever felt about her lies -- the Sami I saw was usually very righteous and owned her choices.

So his guilt and his desperate need to find someone to take the blame combine to point the finger at Paul -- but the more he convinces himself that he couldn't have resisted Paul, that Paul was after him from the start, and that Paul always gets what he wants, the more he convinces himself that Paul will get Sonny. And that feeds his paranoia, which leads to his fixation, and it ALL MAKES SENSE!

I think Kate gave Will the advice to stay quiet because she knew he would never take responsibility, and that, like his mother, he would point the finger everywhere else. Kate's a shrewd one -- she knows that Sonny is not going to find that behavior attractive or acceptable, so in her mind yes, the marriage has a greater chance of survival if the secret was kept. I mean, seriously, Sonny can't live with this bullshit. This isn't going to work.

I miss not having to write the soap myself. Douglas Marland, you are missed, sir. (And even he could tell a clunker -- Carolyn Crawford, anyone?)

Edited April 15, 2015 by minirth

[Apprentice79]

bobcat, you NAILED it.

The thing is, this entire story, Will's characterization included, could work if we could trust the writers had a plan. The reason Will is acting like Sonny cheated has to be overwhelming guilt, as is his fixation on Sonny and Paul. How many times have we heard Will whine about how Paul still wants Sonny, how hard it is to say no to Paul? Even now that he knows that Sonny DID say no to Paul? The only way Will can deal with his guilt is to convince himself that Paul simply cannot be resisted, and that Sonny will inevitably succumb to him.

And that ties in to his character flaw of deflecting blame and responsibility. Some brilliant person above pointed out that Sami would tell any lie she had to tell, but that Will actually BELIEVES his lies. I completely agree, and it shows the difference between Will and Sami. I'm not sure (because DAYS was very rarely my soap and I missed huge swaths of history) how much guilt Sami ever felt about her lies -- the Sami I saw was usually very righteous and owned her choices.

So his guilt and his desperate need to find someone to take the blame combine to point the finger at Paul -- but the more he convinces himself that he couldn't have resisted Paul, that Paul was after him from the start, and that Paul always gets what he wants, the more he convinces himself that Paul will get Sonny. And that feeds his paranoia, which leads to his fixation, and it ALL MAKES SENSE!

I think Kate gave Will the advice to stay quiet because she knew he would never take responsibility, and that, like his mother, he would point the finger everywhere else. Kate's a shrewd one -- she knows that Sonny is not going to find that behavior attractive or acceptable, so in her mind yes, the marriage has a greater chance of survival if the secret was kept. I mean, seriously, Sonny can't live with this bullshit. This isn't going to work.

I miss not having to write the soap myself. Douglas Marland, you are missed, sir. (And even he could tell a clunker -- Carolyn Crawford, anyone?)

Your post is brilliant....Nothing else to add....

[TigerLynx]

I still think part of the problem is Sonny was going to be the one who cheated, but at the last minute it was changed to be Will cheating.  However, the writers kept the same notes/plot points that would have played out if Sonny had been the one who cheated.  So Will is insecure, and is scheming to keep Sonny because he is afraid he is going to lose him.  However, Sonny was the one who got cheated on, and still wants to work on the problems in the marriage.  Therefore, Will ends up looking like a complete idiot.

 

Sami did some really horrible things for various reasons.  However, Sami also had some really terrible things done to her.  Sami's schemes were always exposed, and she lost over and over again.  Part of the problem in recent years has been that Sami was fighting back against someone who was hurting her, or people she cared about, but the writers would still try to make Sami out to be the bad guy because 10 or 15 years ago, Sami had done such and such.

 

I don't believe Sami ever would have cheated on Rafe because that was one line Sami did not cross in over 20 years.  However, Sami's cheating being used to justify Rafe/Carrie's cheating, and everyone acting like Sami was oh so terrible while it was perfectly fine for Rafe to cheat on Sami, and Carrie to cheat on Austin was a real WTF SL.

Edited April 15, 2015 by TigerLynx

[Apprentice79]

I still think part of the problem is Sonny was going to be the one who cheated, but at the last minute it was changed to be Will cheating.  However, the writers kept the same notes/plot points that would have played out if Sonny had been the one who cheated.  So Will is insecure, and is scheming to keep Sonny because he is afraid he is going to lose him.  However, Sonny was the one who got cheated on, and still wants to work on the problems in the marriage.  Therefore, Will ends up looking like a complete idiot.

 

Sami did some really horrible things for various reasons.  However, Sami also had some really terrible things done to her.  Sami's schemes were always exposed, and she lost over and over again.  Part of the problem in recent years has been that Sami was fighting back against someone who was hurting her, or people she cared about, but the writers would still try to make Sami out to be the bad guy because 10 or 15 years ago, Sami had done such and such.

 

I don't believe Sami ever would have cheated on Rafe because that was one line Sami did not cross in over 20 years.  However, Sami's cheating being used to justify Rafe/Carrie's cheating, and everyone acting like Sami was oh so terrible while it was perfectly fine for Rafe to cheat on Sami, and Carrie to cheat on Austin was a real WTF SL.

The story with Will/ Sonny/ Paul would have worked if Sonny was the cheater and Will was channeling his inner Sami to keep his family together at all costs..Add in a guy who wants Will for himself that would have sent Sonny over the edge...Paul could have still be trying to get with Sonny while dealing with his paternity issues...

Edited April 15, 2015 by Apprentice79

[shesajar]

Marlena's not talking about cheating when she's comparing Will to Sami, though. She's talking about blackmailing Tori, his manipulative blame-shifting to Paul in his conversation with John, and his overall behavior. Sure, the motivations for Will and Sami may be different, and Will's skills in this kind of thing pale in comparison to Sami's, but it's the same attitude: what they want matters, they'll try to get it by any available means, and to hell with who it hurts in the process. Not getting what she wanted in the end doesn't excuse or cancel out Sami's awful behavior. You can replace Sami with Kate, and even Lucas to some extent, but they're making it Sami. I don't think they're successful in making him the new Sami, or whatever it is they're going for, but I think the comparisons are valid. 

 

I disagree about Sami owning her choices. To me, owning is admitting that you are doing something because you want to and accepting responsibility for it. Even at the end, everything was someone else's fault. Dumping Nick in the river was Kate's fault, stealing Nick's money was okay because he was a douche...During the Eric/Kristen stuff, she defended her raping Austin by saying she was "just a kid!"  She justified her choices, but she never owned them.

[bantering]

I don't condone anything Sami did, but I feel there was a method to her madness.

 

I really don't get what Will is doing or why he's doing it. Even Abigail trying to flit between multiple men (she's young and in love with herself? see -- made up an explanation that works!) makes more sense to me than what Will is doing. That's a problem!

Edited April 15, 2015 by bantering

[TigerLynx]

You can replace Sami with Kate, and even Lucas to some extent, but they're making it Sami.

 

 

I think the SL would work better if Will was trying to use various Sami/Kate/Lucas methods for dealing with things in order to save his marriage to Sonny, and screwing up royally.  It would make sense that Will who has had Sami, Lucas, and Kate covering for him and fighting his battles for years, would try to save his marriage in all the wrong ways given the examples he has had over the years.  Not everyone made as many trips down the aisle as Sami did, but quite a few of Will's relatives suck in the relationship department.

 

Besides I think it is dumb that for 20 years Will was not like Sami, and now since AS/Sami left Salem, Will suddenly has to be the new Sami.  No character on canvas should be the new Sami.  The characters should have their own personalities developed.  They can have similairities, but also have different traits at the same time.

[bantering]

I think where Will's storyline is falling apart is that he doesn't really even need to save his marriage. It already seems to be saved -- Sonny hasn't indicated he wants to leave. He just seems a little ticked off (though relatively calm by Salem standards).  All Will  has to do is just act a little more sensitive and kiss up to Sonny, which is what any person with even an IQ of 5 would be doing right now. 

 

Whenever Sami resorted to desperate measures, that's kind of because she had to (well, she didn't HAVE to, but whenever did something wacky she really was in a jam). Will doesn't really need to do what she's doing, because I don't know what jam he's really in. The worst that's happening to him is that people are telling him his character sucks. Big whoop. Deal with it for the next 5 minutes until someone else screws up and the focus moves to them.  Just ride it out, Will, and lay low!

Edited April 15, 2015 by bantering

[TeeVee329]

I think where Will's storyline is falling apart is that he doesn't really even need to save his marriage. It already seems to be saved -- Sonny hasn't indicated he wants to leave. He just seems a little ticked off (though relatively calm by Salem standards).  All Will  has to do is just act a little more sensitive and kiss up to Sonny, which is what any person with even an IQ of 5 would be doing right now.

 

Exactly.  Will should have put his time and effort into wining and dining Sonny and trying to make it up to him.  But that wouldn't have gotten the world's worst fictional journalist a scoop for his rag, would it?

Edited April 15, 2015 by TeeVee329

[Black Knight]

Will really isn't reminding me of Sami at all, though. These days I just can't believe this guy is Lumi's son and Kate's grandson. I feel like the comparisons are apples and oranges - as in, okay, they're both fruits, but when you start drilling down there are so many differences that it's a waste of time to draw parallels.

 

Did Sami shift blame? Yes. But with the exception of Marlena's affair with John (and I'll grant that's a big one because Sami spent umpteen years whining about it), she knew she was just saying whatever she thought might get the heat off herself with no regard to whether it was true. Will shows no such self-awareness.

 

Did Sami blackmail? Yes. But she would never have blackmailed Tori, because unlike her idiot son, she would have talked to Tori first and found out there was no need to blackmail her. So she would never have dug herself that particular hole.

 

Did Sami try to get rid of people standing in the way of whoever she wanted to be with? Yes, if they really were standing in the way. Austin truly wanted to be with Carrie, for instance, so Sami devoted pretty much equal time to schemes that would direct Carrie elsewhere while working on winning Austin's affections. She wouldn't be wasting time on schemes to get Paul out of town that will only alienate Sonny because Sonny wants to stay in his marriage and work through things. So unlike Will, what she would be doing is apologizing all over the place to Sonny and doing nice things for him.

 

And of course, there's the skill level. Sami usually got caught in the end, but only after very effectively manipulating and scheming for a long period of time first. Will is totally bumbling. He reminds me of Wile E. Coyote, not Sami. I could respect Sami for being smart. Will is just dumb. If Guy Wilson didn't have such annoying facial expressions, I would feel sorry for him for being so very pathetic in his attempts to manipulate. (Also, like bantering said, Will believing his own bullshit is annoying as well.)

 

"Will did something bad" does not automatically translate into "He's like Sami." I would like if he reminded me of Sami (or Lucas, or Kate), because I like it when kids on soaps remind me of their parents. Eden Riegel's Bianca on All My Children was a great example - she was very much herself, but she also could be every bit as self-righteous as her father or as entitled and snobbish as her mother. (The recast, on the other hand, stripped the Kane and Montgomery flaws out of her portrayal, turning Bianca into a generic nice girl.) Apart from the times Will blames Sami for anything and everything (and I actually haven't heard him roll that one out yet in this current situation), he just doesn't remind me of her. I'm not trying to whitewash Sami here: She did lots of bad things. But her characterization was very specific, and Will generally doesn't resemble it. Part of it is the writing, part of it is Guy Wilson's acting. Yeah, Sami did bad things and Will is doing bad things, but that's such a broad comparison that it's basically pointless for me. Apples and oranges.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Black Knight

[Apprentice79]

Will really isn't reminding me of Sami at all, though. These days I just can't believe this guy is Lumi's son and Kate's grandson. I feel like the comparisons are apples and oranges - as in, okay, they're both fruits, but when you start drilling down there are so many differences that it's a waste of time to draw parallels.

 

Did Sami shift blame? Yes. But with the exception of Marlena's affair with John (and I'll grant that's a big one because Sami spent umpteen years whining about it), she knew she was just saying whatever she thought might get the heat off herself with no regard to whether it was true. Will shows no such self-awareness.

 

Did Sami blackmail? Yes. But she would never have blackmailed Tori, because unlike her idiot son, she would have talked to Tori first and found out there was no need to blackmail her. So she would never have dug herself that particular hole.

 

Did Sami try to get rid of people standing in the way of whoever she wanted to be with? Yes, if they really were standing in the way. Austin truly wanted to be with Carrie, for instance, so Sami devoted pretty much equal time to schemes that would direct Carrie elsewhere while working on winning Austin's affections. She wouldn't be wasting time on schemes to get Paul out of town that will only alienate Sonny because Sonny wants to stay in his marriage and work through things. So unlike Will, what she would be doing is apologizing all over the place to Sonny and doing nice things for him.

 

And of course, there's the skill level. Sami usually got caught in the end, but only after very effectively manipulating and scheming for a long period of time first. Will is totally bumbling. He reminds me of Wile E. Coyote, not Sami. I could respect Sami for being smart. Will is just dumb. If Guy Wilson didn't have such annoying facial expressions, I would feel sorry for him for being so very pathetic in his attempts to manipulate. (Also, like bantering said, Will believing his own bullshit is annoying as well.)

 

"Will did something bad" does not automatically translate into "He's like Sami." I would like if he reminded me of Sami (or Lucas, or Kate), because I like it when kids on soaps remind me of their parents. Eden Riegel's Bianca on All My Children was a great example - she was very much herself, but she also could be every bit as self-righteous as her father or as entitled and snobbish as her mother. (The recast, on the other hand, stripped the Kane and Montgomery flaws out of her portrayal, turning Bianca into a generic nice girl.) Apart from the times Will blames Sami for anything and everything (and I actually haven't heard him roll that one out yet in this current situation), he just doesn't remind me of her. I'm not trying to whitewash Sami here: She did lots of bad things. But her characterization was very specific, and Will generally doesn't resemble it. Part of it is the writing, part of it is Guy Wilson's acting. Yeah, Sami did bad things and Will is doing bad things, but that's such a broad comparison that it's basically pointless for me. Apples and oranges.

I love your excellent post..Someone needs to send it to Ken Corday and the writers.....

[TigerLynx]

I agree Black Knight and Apprentice.  I would also like to add that telling Will he is just like Sami is unnecessary.  I believe it would be better for some of these people to simply point out to Will, Sonny was a good supportive understanding husband who stood by Will through a lot, is a good father to Ari, and Will was wrong for cheating on him.  

 

I thought Kate's reaction after she talked to Will about the article he did on Kate and Sami was much more effective than all the, "You are just like your mother, You are just like Sami," expressions.  Kate told Will she loved him, and then said she had always believed Will was not anything like them, but she now knew he had more in common with her and Sami than she had realized, and that made her sad and worried.

Edited April 15, 2015 by TigerLynx

[LeftPhalange]

If Theresa is upset about everyone hating her maybe she should stop being such a hateful bitch to everyone who comes within 10 feet of her. Too bad Melanie is leaving. Maybe they could have been friends. 

[Apprentice79]

I agree Black Knight and Apprentice.  I would also like to add that telling Will he is just like Sami is unnecessary.  I believe it would be better for some of these people to simply point out to Will, Sonny was a good supportive understanding husband who stood by Will through a lot, is a good father to Ari, and Will was wrong for cheating on him.  

 

I thought Kate's reaction after she talked to Will about the article he did on Kate and Sami was much more effective than all the, "You are just like your mother, You are just like Sami," expressions.  Kate told Will she loved him, and then said she had always believed Will was not anything like them, but she now knew he had more in common with her and Sami than she had realized, and that made her sad and worried.

I loved that too about Kate..She expressed her disappointment in that she wanted Will to be better than them and she expressed regret for setting up those destructive patterns that Will was now following and what that means for Arianna...

Edited April 15, 2015 by Apprentice79

[shesajar]

I think where Will's storyline is falling apart is that he doesn't really even need to save his marriage. It already seems to be saved -- Sonny hasn't indicated he wants to leave. He just seems a little ticked off (though relatively calm by Salem standards).  All Will  has to do is just act a little more sensitive and kiss up to Sonny, which is what any person with even an IQ of 5 would be doing right now. 

 

Very true. But I think it shows how ill prepared for life Will is that he can't figure this out.

 

I think the SL would work better if Will was trying to use various Sami/Kate/Lucas methods for dealing with things in order to save his marriage to Sonny, and screwing up royally.  It would make sense that Will who has had Sami, Lucas, and Kate covering for him and fighting his battles for years, would try to save his marriage in all the wrong ways given the examples he has had over the years.  Not everyone made as many trips down the aisle as Sami did, but quite a few of Will's relatives suck in the relationship department.

 

I think this is exactly what he's doing. It's like there's a voice in his head asking "What would Sami do?" even though he doesn't *have* to do that. He simply doesn't know how to navigate a normal relationship. Sami may have been calculating and clever, but she wasn't rational. Her first instinct was always to do something overly complicated and over the top (which is typical of most people in Salem, but her in particular). I think Will's inherited that from her, although they've retconned that part of his character and have done a lousy job at setting up that change.

I think it makes more sense to say he's like Sami (even though most of you don't agree!) because Lucas has matured and Kate's schemes are more stealthy or at least aren't usually public knowledge to the extent that Sami's are, while Sami has had hers spectacularly and openly blow up in her face. 

[ShadowSixx]

Anne doesn't know how to comfort people lol. Theresa goes for a hug and Anne pats her like she's a pet. Anne for the most part can always point out Theresa's mistakes as to why people don't like her and her big lies.

Writers are laying it on too damn thick with Theresa today and how everyone hates her but Anne and maybe Lima Bean and Suddenly Southern. Eric he's such an ass at times.

 

Why the fuck does Dark Roast has business cards? It's not like he's a cosmetic surgeon. What does he do tell patients at the hospital to hopefully see him again. I highly doubt people want to go back under the knife, people try to avoid surgery as much as possible. I can see him around Horton Square passing out cards hoping people will need surgery.

 

Nicole without fail can always do things to not make me be in her corner. Nicole you're no better with your baby stealing ass, shut up.

 

See Brady can actually be tolerable when he's not being a dumbass or a meathead. There's hope for the character, writers just have to make an effort with him. Glad Toothy told him instead of dragging it out like most characters would do.

 

Go ahead Xander, break Shrewena's whole damn arm off. I don't care.

 

I'm over JJ/Southern/Lima Bean story. Same shit, different day. 

 

Naggie go find some business, just floating around all day and said nothing of importance at all. Said nothing that was critical to any story going on. 

[TigerLynx]

Let me guess.  Theresa snapping at everyone who comes near her is supposed to demonstrate that when Kristen stealing Theresa's baby is revealed that Theresa is not ready to be a mom so rageaholic to stupid to live Brady will get sole custody.

[Apprentice79]

Let me guess.  Theresa snapping at everyone who comes near her is supposed to demonstrate that when Kristen stealing Theresa's baby is revealed that Theresa is not ready to be a mom so rageaholic to stupid to live Brady will get sole custody.

I  think so..Victor will ensure that will happen....It is time for the Bradys to become  a support system for Jeannie..This is getting ridiculous and I want her parents to come back and butt heads with Victor..Andrew needs to come back and be there for his baby sister....I  want her to bond with Will...Theresa can be so much more than a screaming harpy..I just cant with these incompetent writers...

Edited April 15, 2015 by Apprentice79

[bantering]

Maybe the show is having everyone tell Will that he's just like Sami is because it's his worst nightmare. I don't think he's really suffering the way everyone else on this show has after they've cheated, but telling him he's like Sami is a bit of a comeuppance, I guess. 

[Tiger]

Nicole should have beat Daniel to death with her purse and then strangled him with his own stethoscope for good measure. He, JJ, Eric, and Xander were all disgusting today. The men of Salem are so bad that a baby stealing doctor and a henchman who stole blood are great men by comparison.

ETA: the woman who plays Anne has the best hair and clothing on the show. She must do it herself and wear her own clothes. I loved how she, has someone else put, pet Teresa when JT went in for a hug.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Tiger

[Apprentice79]

Maybe the show is having everyone tell Will that he's just like Sami is because it's his worst nightmare. I don't think he's really suffering the way everyone else on this show has after they've cheated, but telling him he's like Sami is a bit of a comeuppance, I guess. 

I think Sonny treating him with contempt  and loathing is going to hurt him like hell.  Sonny threatening to trash their apartment scared Will..I don't think that he has ever seen Sonny like that before...Sonny has alot of pent-up resentment against Will and that started with when Will left him and took the baby to LA and it has gone down since then..Will better watch his step with Sonny...

[TigerLynx]

I wish Sonny would completely blow up at Will.  I want Sonny to tell Will that he stuck by Will through everything, he helped Sami, Lucas, Kate, etc., cover for Will when Nick was blackmailing him and trying to take Ari, that he did it because he loved Will, and he believed everyone else loved Will, but now he realizes he was just another one of Will's enablers, and when he married Will instead of becoming a couple, he became Will's biggest enabler.  That Will took him from granted, and Sonny is tried of it.  Then I want Sonny to go for the juggler, and tell Will, he is not like Sami he is worse than Sami because Sami could actually fight her own battles, and was a hell of a lot more capable with her schemes.  Sure Sonny wasn't in Salem during those years, but neither were most of these other people so Sonny might as well join that train and get some mileage out of it.

Edited April 15, 2015 by TigerLynx

[Kitty Redstone]

I'm disappointed that Xander is yet another Salem man who thinks it's alright to physically threaten and outright harm a woman.  And why can't Nicole express her anger at Daniel to Daniel, instead of taking it out on another woman?  It's no wonder soaps are almost dead.  They've barely evolved.  The he-man, knuckle-dragging shit has got to go.

 

Will the the new woman co-head writer writer be an improvement based on her past work, or has she internalized the same shitty attitude toward women as the industry dinosaurs that surround her?

[islandgal140]

I'm disappointed that Xander is yet another Salem man who thinks it's alright to physically threaten and outright harm a woman. 

 

Yeah. Now my Xanicole ship has a hole in it. 

[dmeets]

If Theresa is upset about everyone hating her maybe she should stop being such a hateful bitch to everyone who comes within 10 feet of her.

 

Theresa needs to be tested for rabies.

 

 

Will the the new woman co-head writer writer be an improvement based on her past work, or has she internalized the same shitty attitude toward women as the industry dinosaurs that surround her?

 

The latter, sadly. I think she's the one who once bragged about writing the "unpalatable." But rape and misogyny are right in her wheelhouse, I'm afraid.

[Kitty Redstone]

Well shoot.  I forgot that someone already told me that the new writer is the one that retconned Viki's history on OLTL and invented a child porn past for Jessica.  Crap. 

[minirth]

He simply doesn't know how to navigate a normal relationship. Sami may have been calculating and clever, but she wasn't rational. Her first instinct was always to do something overly complicated and over the top (which is typical of most people in Salem, but her in particular.

Very good point!

The thing I keep coming back to is Will confronting Sonny at TBD, saying "You knew what I was walking into". What WILL was walking into? What a pathological narcissist! This wasn't about him, this was about Paul, Tori, and John! But no, everything is about Will, he is at the center of the universe and everyone else just exists to serve his needs. Hell, he may be more of a solipsist than a narcissist!

His anger at Sonny for looking through his tablet was rather bizarre, even considering his recent behavior, but Sonny's response was fantastic. I am all about Sonny's anger these days, and I love that he's mature enough to have stayed away because he doesn't want to fight in front of Ari.

[Rick Kitchen]

I think I dislike Daniel more than any other character on the show. But he is right that Nicole needs to stop feeling like she needs a man in her life.

 

Kristen is already in full whacko mode.

 

Maggie must know Xander is shady.

 

Boy, they're sure telegraphing something bad happening to Theresa.

[bantering]

 I think I can't get over how dumb Will is...even by soap standards, his lack of intelligence is a little weird to me...

[Sandman]

Anne doesn't know how to comfort people lol.

 

Ain't that the truth?

 

"Honey, what's wrong?"

[wails] "Everyone HATES me!"

"Yeah, but why are you crying?"

 

I admit it: I laughed.

[islandgal140]

Which head writer is responsible for introducing the Daniel character?

[Sandman]

I think she's the one who once bragged about writing the "unpalatable." But rape and misogyny are right in her wheelhouse, I'm afraid.

 

What a strange boast. Does she think it makes her brave? (Was it Higley or Jean Passanante? It sounds just like the sort of hogwash Passanante used to come up with on a distressingly regular basis.)

 

Also, who writes Kritter's dialogue? Who talks like that? It sounds like she's reading from Dr. Evil's outtake reel.

Edited April 15, 2015 by Sandman

[Rick Kitchen]

Which head writer is responsible for introducing the Daniel character?

 

Ed Scott.

[TigerLynx]

Bastard!!!  The creation of the Daniel character is unforgivable.

 

Will's dumbness is on a level with Brady and Eric's.  The only person dumber than these three is Austin.

 

I've seen Higley's writing on Days before, and it was terrible.  I've seen her writing on other soaps, and it sucked.  That combined with the fact that Ken Corday is still in charge leads me to believe not much will change.  It will be the same old same old, but they might have characters with different names.

 

The checklist will be:

 

1) Blame Sami;

2) Someone bitch at Nicole;

3) Someone bitch at Theresa;

4) Some man is abusive to a woman, and blames her;

5) Dannifer in some awful form;

6) Brady, Will, or Eric will do something stupid;

7) An inanimate object such as an elephant or a flash drive will become a character all it's own, be on daily, and the SL will never go anywhere;

8) The Dimeras will do something horrible, and pay no consequences;

9) Victor or Stefano will call some woman a bitch or a slut;

10) The Salem PD will continue to be incompetent.

Edited April 16, 2015 by TigerLynx

[islandgal140]

Ed Scott.

A pox on him.

[Rick Kitchen]

 

Victor or Stefano will call some woman a bitch or a slut;

 

Victor did call Will a floosie.

[kitmerlot1213]

Let me guess.  Theresa snapping at everyone who comes near her is supposed to demonstrate that when Kristen stealing Theresa's baby is revealed that Theresa is not ready to be a mom so rageaholic to stupid to live Brady will get sole custody.

 

I think the show might be going for the tried but true "Theresa's life new has meaning because she's a mother now."  There have been quite a few scenes where Theresa wants to change but she can't seem too--now that there will be a baby to take care of, she'll start to mature.  Maybe :)

[bantering]

Kristen has essentially committed the same crime that Nicole did to Sami, but why does Kristen seem so much crazier? Oh well, this will probably turn Brady on. 

[DisneyBoy]

Well, at least I liked Kritter...errr..I mean Kristin's awesome mansion set and her two henchmen.  Otherwise her dialogue was flat and ED looked bored.  And why is she ALWAYS in leopard print and swirling wine???  So unoriginal.  We didn't even get a new hairdo this time!

[blanchowens]

Okay Dr Dan and Nicole should now be officially over, but knowing these hack writers it will be far from it. I love Ann, she's one of the best characters on this suck-ass show.