Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[film noire]

1 hour ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Actually, you really haven't. 

Actually, I (and others) have answered endless variations on the same questions, earlier in the thread -- including a post directly to you, answering multiple questions you asked me on Sunday that you labeled as me "refusing to answer" (when I answered and answered and answered until people were probably blue in the  face ;) And since I'm pretty sure doing that all over again is unlikely to yield any clairty between us, all I can do is suggest you go back and read what we've all written on the topic of Frankel and her fundraising.

Edited September 8, 2017 by film noire

[Otherkate]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

Sure -- but I don't think asking detailed questions about a maiden voyage for (any) charity  is the same thing as denying people are going to be happy getting the help. If anything, the questions she got on social media clarified the process for her, and her staff. 

I do agree with this. I think the people who were donating who had questions about what was going where was extremely valid and ultimately helpful to a group of people who didn't have a lot of experience doing this. I also thought it was great that her staff took it to heart and they made an effort to answer all questions. Well done all around, imo.

Re: DFS and Red Cross. I know I've mentioned this before but a lot of people very specifically do not wish to donate to the ARC. Many people are looking to be presented with options. Luckily there are also options other than ARC for immediate, emergency relief as well. 

[jaync]

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I encourage you to read it for yourself. 

No thank you. I'm sorry "LOL, she's so full of shit" has caused so much grief.

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I just don't see why Bethenny has to personally deliver donations-it smacks of "look at me".

This is a woman who has her walks of shame captured...everything she does must be seen.

[ZoloftBlob]

And honestly, I have and I still really don't understand the concern since the concerns (where the money is going, is there oversight, is Bethenny's charity something the victims need) have been addressed. You were concerned that money was being diverted from the Red Cross to Dress for Success but Dress for Success is clearly mentioning the Red Cross, and is clearly mentioning it's purpose and affiliation with B Strong and Bethenny, so no one being tricked into donating to a charity they don't approve of. No one is willing to say they think Bethenny is doing anything wrong.

That leaves the t-shirt issue and as I sit here wearing my "Thanks for giving blood at Dragoncon" t-shirt while holding the free copy of Battlefield Earth that all donaters were given as a gift, while I don't think you're alone in your dislike of the practice, I admit to being a sucker (or in this case, a suckee) for a free t-shirt and the warm glow of free stuff. :)

Whats left to be concerned about?

[QuinnM]

Someone has to deliver gift cards personally since it is cash and can't be mailed etc.  And hey why is JJ Watt walking around Houston today.  Acting all hey I got $27 million.  Right?  These people should just collect the money and mail it in.

[film noire]

4 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

No one is willing to say they think Bethenny is doing anything wrong.

It's not about right or wrong. You can be sincere and muddled and ineffective and confusing. You can also be nefarious and highly effective. Morality isn't in play in this for me -- and I'm not sure what else I can answer, or speak to,  or whatever. Since eight or nine people in here (all of us with presumably different communication styles from each other) have expressed a problem with some part of Frankel's fundraising, maybe looking at their posts will make it clear to you? -- because this 'rinse repeat' cycle is not adding any clarity to the discussion, imo -- I'm not sure what else I can say.

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[ZoloftBlob]

Never mind. 

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[film noire]

7 hours ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Please stop implying that I am not reading posts merely because I am not agreeing with your comments. I accept I could be not getting it 

I don't think you're not getting "it" -- I think you're not getting how I'm answering your questions -- but it seems you're saying now you do understand, but just disagree? If so, cool; we disagree.

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 but I have been kind enough to not insist you're just not explaining your position well. 

But it's fine if you think that!  No problem if you think I'm doing a total hack job making myself clear -- but me answering more questions isn't going to fix that,  was my point -- and (meant genuinely) other people have expressed the same issues and maybe their style is less unclear/murky/what the fuck is she saying now? to you.

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No, I am just tired of being told I don't understand and need to reread the entire thread for 250 posts to find out why I should be concerned about this charity.  

 I'm happy to own any part of being unclear in this exchange, but "don't understand" did not start with me.

You told me that you didn't understand what my concerns were, why I felt the way I did, and asked me several questions, I answered those questions, and you said this:

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"Film, I earlier asked you some direct questions about your views in orderived to have a better idea on what your point has been and you declined to answer, so I apologize for not understanding if you do or don't think the tshirts are bad or that bethenny is doing is right or wrong at this point."

I asked you if you missed my answers, and you didn't respond (again, I don't know if you missed both of those posts, and maybe that's why you thought I was being so unclear/evasive--?)  But on my end of that, I tried to answer your questions as fully as I could -- and all subsequent questions from you -- not because I assumed you didn't understand me, but because you kept telling me you didn't understand/were unclear what my concerns were/etc.   

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I agree to disagree. 

At last! We're clear! :) 

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um, clarity? and striving for brevity

[ZoloftBlob]

No, I am just tired of being told I don't understand and need to reread the entire thread for 250 posts to find out why I should be concerned about this charity.  I agree to disagree. 

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, QuinnM said:

Someone has to deliver gift cards personally since it is cash and can't be mailed etc. 

This is in no way correct. They might not be able to be insured for their full value but they can and are sent through the mail. Before, e gift cards it was extremely common to send them. Heck I have an aunt who always sends me AMAZON gc through the mail even though she goes online to order them. A lot of small businesses also mail gift cards.

Also, the idea that you can't mail cash is also completely False. which is good because my grandmother likes to send me a dollar for every year I have been alive and I wouldn't want her to get in trouble.

[RedheadZombie]

32 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

This is in no way correct. They might might not be able to be insured for their full value but they can and are sent through the mail. Before, e gift cards it was extremely common to send them. Heck I have an aunt who always sends me AMAZON gc through the mail even though she goes online to order them. A lot of small businesses also mail gift cards.

Also, the idea that you can't mail cash is also completely False. which is good because my grandmother likes to send me a dollar for every year I have been alive and I wouldn't want her to get in trouble.

But don't you think your aunt sending you a $20 gift card is a little less risky than gift cards totaling in the thousands of dollars?  It just doesn't seem like an apt comparison to me.  I can just imagine the scandal were Beth to mail in the gift cards and have them go missing.  Then we can start the whole conversation again, this time arguing how ridiculously reckless she was to not personally deliver the gift cards, and I'm sure some suggestions of misappropriation of funds, and other crimes and misdemeanors.

[Celia Rubenstein]

I think it would be very irresponsible of Bethenny to mail a large amount of gift cards.  This is other people's money and I think it is wise of her to deliver them personally to ensure they arrive where they are meant to arrive.  I suppose being criticized for making herself the center of attention is to be expected, but it is a necessary tradeoff for making sure those gift cards end up in the right hands. 

You have to be crazy to send cash through the mail, for obvious reasons. Okay, maybe not a few bucks from Nana, but anything more than a token amount of cash is just careless. 

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LOL RedheadZombie, great minds!

[Celia Rubenstein]

14 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

I can just imagine the scandal were Beth to mail in the gift cards and have them go missing.  Then we can start the whole conversation again, this time arguing how ridiculously reckless she was to not personally deliver the gift cards, and I'm sure some suggestions of misappropriation of funds, and other crimes and misdemeanors.

Yes.  It would be a toss-up as to whether she would be called a fool or a thief.  And her charity would be *dead* for all intents and purposes.  No one would ever trust donating to it again.

[biakbiak]

28 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

But don't you think your aunt sending you a $20 gift card is a little less risky than gift cards totaling in the thousands of dollars?  It just doesn't seem like an apt comparison to me.  I can just imagine the scandal were Beth to mail in the gift cards and have them go missing.  Then we can start the whole conversation again, this time arguing how ridiculously reckless she was to not personally deliver the gift cards, and I'm sure some suggestions of misappropriation of funds, and other crimes and misdemeanors.

1. My aunt isn't that cheap. 2. I never suggested that anyone send anything. 3. Companies mail a shit ton more money of GC through the mail than what B is handing out. 4. I was pointing out that you can send both cash and gc through the mail, posting basic facts isn't an attack on Bethenny.  

I don't have an issue with  anyone handing out gc in person, I imagine it put a smile on the face of some of the people who might be fans but spreading the falsehood that mailing them or cash is illegal does bother me.

Not everything is intended as an attack on Bethenny and I didn't assume posting about the US Postal code would be viewed as such.

[Celia Rubenstein]

28 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

1. My aunt isn't that cheap. 2. I never suggested that anyone send anything. 3. Companies mail a shit ton more money of GC through the mail than what B is handing out. 4. I was pointing out that you can send both cash and gc through the mail, posting basic facts isn't an attack on Bethenny.  

I don't have an issue with  anyone handing out gc in person, I imagine it put a smile on the face of some of the people who might be fans but spreading the falsehood that mailing them or cash is illegal does bother me.

Not everything is intended is an attack on Bethenny and I didn't assume posting about the US Postal code which be viewed as such.

I think @RedheadZombie was merely pointing out that it is easy enough for one mailed $20 gift card from Grandma to go missing, but when a package contains many thousands of donated dollars worth of cards goes missing, there are going to be a lot of questions asked about whether it was wise to mail the cards in the first place, as well as whether or not something was amiss with the charity itself.  Charities answer to different standards than Grandmas, lol

No one is accusing you of attacking Bethenny, just pointing out what she would face if such a thing happened. 

[biakbiak]

54 minutes ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I think @RedheadZombie was merely pointing out that it is easy enough for one mailed $20 gift card from Grandma to go missing, but when a package contains many thousands of donated dollars worth of cards goes missing, there are going to be a lot of questions asked about whether it was wise to mail the cards in the first place, as well as whether or not something was amiss with the charity itself.  Charities answer to different standards than Grandmas, lol

I really need people to stop assuming my aunt is this cheap. J/k

Extrapolating to suggest criticisms that weren't  implied is assuming that it was an attack in my opinion. 

[zoeysmom]

I would think the gift cards would be sent (electronically) to an organization that can properly vet recipients to ensure they are going to those who need them and not scam artists.  Sad to say it is not unheard of for rotten people to take advantage of others generosity in times of disaster.  

I am thinking the way to transfer donations for gift cards would be done electronically and completed in the Houston or nearby areas for distribution.  I am also quite certain there are bona fide professionals from various charities that can be trusted to transport the cards from NY to Houston-if physical gift cards were donated.  Most of the area big stores like Target, Walmart, Home Depot are equipped for these type processes.  I noticed that many gift cards are being collected and then distributed later in the month in the Houston area.  

[ZoloftBlob]

Speaking as someone who sends gift cards electronically as a part of their daily work...

Yeah, it's really not as simple or easy as you might think. Problems arise on so many levels. If the recipients aren't tech savvy, there's problems. If the cards are sent electronically, then you're assuming the recipient has electrical power to receive the card. Trust me, people who are not in crisis fuck up e-cards daily. Its certainly not impossible to send them but it's not like flicking a switch. You have to assume minimal competence on the receiving end and trust me.... you really can't assume that.

Point- Bethenny doesn't need to personally escort physical gift cards but I can understand wanting a chain of control.

[RedheadZombie]

1 hour ago, biakbiak said:

1. My aunt isn't that cheap. 2. I never suggested that anyone send anything. 3. Companies mail a shit ton more money of GC through the mail than what B is handing out. 4. I was pointing out that you can send both cash and gc through the mail, posting basic facts isn't an attack on Bethenny.  

I don't have an issue with  anyone handing out gc in person, I imagine it put a smile on the face of some of the people who might be fans but spreading the falsehood that mailing them or cash is illegal does bother me.

Not everything is intended as an attack on Bethenny and I didn't assume posting about the US Postal code would be viewed as such.

And not every post quoting you is intended as an attack on you.  And that's where I'm going to leave it.

 

1 hour ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I think @RedheadZombie was merely pointing out that it is easy enough for one mailed $20 gift card from Grandma to go missing, but when a package contains many thousands of donated dollars worth of cards goes missing, there are going to be a lot of questions asked about whether it was wise to mail the cards in the first place, as well as whether or not something was amiss with the charity itself.  Charities answer to different standards than Grandmas, lol

No one is accusing you of attacking Bethenny, just pointing out what she would face if such a thing happened. 

Thank you, Celia!  I'm glad you understood what I feel was clearly stated.  When I attack somebody, there's no ambiguity.  I'm kind of straight-forward that way. ;-)

[biakbiak]

24 minutes ago, RedheadZombie said:

And not every post quoting you is intended as an attack on you.  And that's where I'm going to leave it.

No but quoting a post and inferring things that weren't stated can lead to a lot of the misunderstandings in this thread.

[zoeysmom]

25 minutes ago, ZoloftBlob said:

Speaking as someone who sends gift cards electronically as a part of their daily work...

Yeah, it's really not as simple or easy as you might think. Problems arise on so many levels. If the recipients aren't tech savvy, there's problems. If the cards are sent electronically, then you're assuming the recipient has electrical power to receive the card. Trust me, people who are not in crisis fuck up e-cards daily. Its certainly not impossible to send them but it's not like flicking a switch. You have to assume minimal competence on the receiving end and trust me.... you really can't assume that.

Point- Bethenny doesn't need to personally escort physical gift cards but I can understand wanting a chain of control.

My point was that if the money donated was being converted to gift cards-there would be no need to mail them they could be done in bulk in the Houston area for distribution via electronic transfer.  It wasn't about individual distribution,  Banking and credit card companies have been transferring money electronically for decades. I live in California and all cash welfare benefits and Food Stamps are done via a debit card.  Participating institutions even print out on the receipt post purchase the balance in Food Stamp and Cash benefits.  

I don't think only stupid incompetent people were affected by the storm.  If you are hungry or need clothing it is amazing how easy it is to jump into the electronic age.  If someone is so incompetent perhaps a near by volunteer can help.

[RedheadZombie]

10 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

No but quoting a post and inferring things that weren't stated can lead to a lot of the misunderstandings in this thread.

Agreed.  And as a generalized statement, it would help if we (generic we) weren't so defensive that we assume an attack that hasn't occurred.

[film noire]

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Sad to say it is not unheard of for rotten people to take advantage of others generosity in times of disaster.  

It's awful.  There's even a national  "Disaster Relief Fraud" hotline that runs 24 hours  (and it's not just bad intent that has to be contended with, people send things that can't be used-- from (2013) NPR:  "By some estimates, about 60 percent of items donated after a disaster can't be used."  http://www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168946170/thanks-but-no-thanks-when-post-disaster-donations-overwhelm

60% is an insane amount of waste.

E: Frankel discusses her exercise regimen; in the summer she does long walks on the beach a couple of times a week,  and snowboarding in winter. Plus yoga. Nothing else. (Hard to believe she has that kind of muscle with no weight training). Also talks about how she handles eating and she mentions her daughter is going into second grade:

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[film noire]

8 hours ago, jaync said:

No thank you. I'm sorry "LOL, she's so full of shit" has caused so much grief.

Bethenny Frankel is not full of shit. Not ever. Remember that, you rat bastard.

She is full of rose petals, angel wings and unicorn poop.

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[BBHN]

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I can just imagine the scandal were Beth to mail in the gift cards and have them go missing.  Then we can start the whole conversation again, this time arguing how ridiculously reckless she was to not personally deliver the gift cards, and I'm sure some suggestions of misappropriation of funds, and other crimes and misdemeanors.

So true.

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Point- Bethenny doesn't need to personally escort physical gift cards but I can understand wanting a chain of control.

Nothing wrong with her wanting to be more involved in her charity and the distribution of some of the help the charity offers.

And she did keep her promise that she would go to Dallas. Which, good for her.

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I don't think only stupid incompetent people were affected by the storm.  If you are hungry or need clothing it is amazing how easy it is to jump into the electronic age.  If someone is so incompetent perhaps a near by volunteer can help.

Given how much some of these people have lost, it might boost their moral to receive those gift cards from a flesh and blood person, as opposed to getting a notification on their phone. And even more of a boost from the person who promised to help them.

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Frankel discusses her exercise regimen; in the summer she does long walks on the beach a couple of times a week,  and snowboarding in winter. Plus yoga. Nothing else. (Hard to believe she has that kind of muscle with no weight training). Also talks about how she handles eating and she mentions her daughter is going into second grade:

Some people are just lucky enough to have good genes and metabolism.

[quaintirene]

3 hours ago, BBHN said:

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Some people are just lucky enough to have good genes and metabolism.

...and unfortunate jaw lines :)

[BBHN]

Not sure what that has to do with eating and a person's metabolism, but ok.

[KungFuBunny]

bethennyfrankel Special delivery in Houston! @drinkarizona started to deliver over 1000 bottles of water they donated to #BStrong for women and their families impacted by #HurricaneHarvey. #THISISACRISIS #stillworkingforyoutexas

[quaintirene]

2 hours ago, BBHN said:

Not sure what that has to do with eating and a person's metabolism, but ok.

It's all in the genes...

[ButterQueen]

15 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I strongly disagree but as quaintirene points out, this is going nowhere fast. I for one am tired of this discussion. You see Bethenny as doing/saying nothing wrong or confusing and I see her differently and we are not going to change the others mind. LOL I am out!

I agree with you, this discussion is tiresome.  

I don't have a problem with how Bethenny is trying to help, so no amount of lengthy discussion and continued explanation is going to change my mind.

There are so many other fun things we could be snarking on her for.

[ZoloftBlob]

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I don't think only stupid incompetent people were affected by the storm.  If you are hungry or need clothing it is amazing how easy it is to jump into the electronic age.  If someone is so incompetent perhaps a near by volunteer can help.

 

Sorry, I've dealt with too many e-card fiascos to buy that people magically develop competence.

Part of what you may be forgetting is that electrical power is iffy when the infrastructure is flooded. E-cards can't be used unless the infrastructure is intact. That is all before  we get into the issues of forcing elderly and not tech savvy people to use unfamiliar tech. 

I've literally had to sit for forty minutes while an elderly person typed in their user id that I repeated to them ten times and their password which I am not allowed to set up for security purposes. I've also literally been screamed at by not elderly at all people with how they *resent* having to use "insert common technology we all use daily" to manage problem x y and z - and none of these people were in crisis situations like a flood. And ask a nearby volunteer? Have you EVER had someone go off about privacy and identity theft and how you're opening them up to massive amounts of fraud. There's nothing more obstinate than a customer who wants to be difficult and ecards and gift cards are a shitstorm  for servicing even when everything is perfectly lovely.

[BBHN]

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It's all in the genes...

I would hope it would be.

[gundysgirl]

It seems like it's nice to want to do something to help even if you don't have experience. You learn by doing. Sometimes by making mistakes and learning from them. It's nice to answer questions to try and clear up confusion if confusion exists. It's nice to want to see firsthand the people you are helping. It's nice to see for yourself what is needed for the next time, or how you can help in the future. It just seems to all be really nice. And it is nice that I have learned a lot from the posts about what folks are doing to help. Getting the word out is important. I had no idea Bethenny was doing all of this. Good for her, and good luck to anyone who might be in Irma's path that is on this forum. Sounds horribly scary! 

[QuinnM]

I haven't seen it in the gossip rags but last night Bethenny snapped a really fabulous outfit.  Going out to dinner.  Today twitter says it was Camille, Kyle, Lisa, etc.  Basically everyone in for fashion week.  But it was B's outfit that I covet. It's camel pants, white top and white blazer but with a real high end twist to it.  I'm actually going to have to go to her site and dig for it.

Edited September 8, 2017 by QuinnM

[Otherkate]

9 hours ago, film noire said:

It's awful.  There's even a national  "Disaster Relief Fraud" hotline that runs 24 hours  (and it's not just bad intent that has to be contended with, people send things that can't be used-- from (2013) NPR:  "By some estimates, about 60 percent of items donated after a disaster can't be used."  http://www.npr.org/2013/01/09/168946170/thanks-but-no-thanks-when-post-disaster-donations-overwhelm

60% is an insane amount of waste.

E: Frankel discusses her exercise regimen; in the summer she does long walks on the beach a couple of times a week,  and snowboarding in winter. Plus yoga. Nothing else. (Hard to believe she has that kind of muscle with no weight training). Also talks about how she handles eating and she mentions her daughter is going into second grade:

 

As someone who does yoga a lot (can you do it too much?), I have to say that I think she 100% has a yoga body as far as muscles and tone are concerned. If you do it every day and then just add in long walks or running, it's insane how toned and strong your body becomes. You end up with muscles, but not beefed up. She seems like she does it daily to me. 

[jaync]

All gift cards should be delivered in person.

~Sonja T. Morgan

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(Hard to believe she has that kind of muscle with no weight training).

I don't see her as having well-developed muscles in as much as they're defined because of her extreme leanness. If she actually worked at being toned overall, then her ass wouldn't look like it does.

[WireWrap]

33 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

I haven't seen it in the gossip rags but last night Bethenny snapped a really fabulous outfit.  Going out to dinner.  Today twitter says it was Camille, Kyle, Lisa, etc.  Basically everyone in for fashion week.  But it was B's outfit that I covet. It's camel pants, white top and white blazer but with a real high end twist to it.  I'm actually going to have to go to her site and dig for it.

Wait, I thought she was in Texas handing out e-cards, water, baby supplies, ect? Did she only stay a day or was she there longer?  BTW, I am just asking, not slamming her.

6 minutes ago, jaync said:

All gift cards should be delivered in person.

~Sonja T. Morgan

I don't see her as having well-developed muscles in as much as they're defined because of her extreme leanness. If she actually worked at being toned overall, then her ass wouldn't look like it does.

In Bethenny's defense, she has cellulite as do most women. It doesn't matter how thin or fit you are to get/develop it, especially as we age, and 1 of the first areas it hits is our butt/thighs! :(

[BBHN]

I think for her age, her ass looks all right.

[QuinnM]

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Wait, I thought she was in Texas handing out e-cards, water, baby supplies, ect? Did she only stay a day or was she there longer?  BTW, I am just asking, not slamming her.

I think that was someone here on a thread saying that she was going to Texas.  I've not seen her post that on social media.  On social media she said that at some point she would be in Texas.  She's doing a show in Montreal today.  So it's not today.

[jaync]

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In Bethenny's defense, she has cellulite as do most women.

Sure, but a butt of any age - even a flat one - can still be toned if one puts in the work. For whatever reason, her backside has been neglected.

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[BBHN]

And still looks decent.

[Aethera]

Guys, I know the thread has moved on in the last few hours, but the mods wanted to step in and say the following:

1. Stop constantly sniping at one another. If you find yourself locked in an argument, walk away instead of responding. It's a reality show, not life and death.

2. Stop demanding proof of things. People can hold opinions, or they can speculate about what's happening with Jason, or Bethenny, or whatever, and they don't have to prove why they are "right" or someone else is "wrong". We're writing forum posts, not college papers.

3. We are never, ever all going to agree about Bethenny.  But I think at this point we're all pretty aware who likes her and who hates her. We don't need to constantly prove that we haven't changed our minds.

[Neeners]

I do know second hand that she really is into yoga. One of my besties has the same yoga instructor. All he's said about her is that she is "very thin". Unrelated, the sun is hot. :D

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[film noire]

2 hours ago, jaync said:

All gift cards should be delivered in person.

~Sonja T. Morgan

LOL 

(You should start a "Helpful Disaster Hints From Sonja" over in her thread ;) 

3 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

no amount of lengthy discussion and continued explanation is going to change my mind.

That's the first rule of Housewife Club :)

(eta: I did change my mind about Bethenny a few years ago, but she did it all by herself  - nobody changes anybody's mind online.)

Edited September 8, 2017 by film noire

[film noire]

6 hours ago, quaintirene said:

...and unfortunate jaw lines :)

Ha!

I actually loved her real face/jawline -- thought she had a look that was unique, but still pretty -  very seventies (kind of Susan St Jamesian).  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Well apparently I am days and days late to #thisisacrisis talk, and the reason I am days late is because I saw the t shirt photo of her whilst fast thumb scrolling over my busy Labor Day weekend and I was disgusted at her optics, I moved on with an eye roll.  There she is wearing the black #thisisacrisis tee, I didn't at first get any connection to Harvey and B Strong, just the visual.  I'm all "what is her friggin crisis now are the Hamptons out of limes?" Harvey IS a crisis, but the message of Bethenny posed (this was not a selfie) in front of her $200,000 swimming pool, custom lawn furniture, expensive watch, designer sunnies and multi million dollar home behind her make a mockery of people who have lost EVERYTHING while she poses in a Vogue shoot in the Hamptons does not exactly scream concern. It is ALWAYS about her. In front of a POOL? WATER? In front of your 2ND home? When people have nowhere to go. Really??????? 

Maybe a photo of the "this" that is a crisis would have been better optics. Other people. In crisis. Optics of the damage? Optics of the resilient brave faces you wish to help via the fundraising? Yes!  Oh that's right, it's about her and her brand at the end of the day. It always is. When Bethenny isn't the center then THIS is the crisis. 

Fundraising, all good on her. It is a crisis. Bethenny centric, let them eat cake? Vulgar. 

[jaync]

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(You should start a "Helpful Disaster Hints From Sonja" over in her thread ;) 

#browniceaintnice

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

1 minute ago, jaync said:

#browniceaintnice

Reading #browniceaintnice and dogasstino slayed me today ! Missed ya'll! 

[ButterQueen]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

LOL 

(You should start a "Helpful Disaster Hints From Sonja" over in her thread ;) 

That's the first rule of Housewife Club :)

(eta: I did change my mind about Bethenny a few years ago, but she did it all by herself  - nobody changes anybody's mind online.)

I made The Club.  Thank you!!  I love all of you!!!  ❤️❤️

2 hours ago, film noire said:

Ha!

I actually loved her real face/jawline -- thought she had a look that was unique, but still pretty -  very seventies (kind of Susan St Jamesian).  

I thought she was the most beautiful in season 3, on Scary Island.  She was pregnant and looked gorgeous!

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4 hours ago, Otherkate said:

As someone who does yoga a lot (can you do it too much?), I have to say that I think she 100% has a yoga body as far as muscles and tone are concerned. If you do it every day and then just add in long walks or running, it's insane how toned and strong your body becomes. You end up with muscles, but not beefed up. She seems like she does it daily to me. 

Yoga & Pilates both tone a body well.  I don't like women with large bicep muscles.  I prefer to be thin and toned....not that I am, just I prefer it.  ?

3 hours ago, jaync said:

Sure, but a butt of any age - even a flat one - can still be toned if one puts in the work. For whatever reason, her backside has been neglected.

I don't know how we can really judge that....it was partially blurred.  I think she has a great body!