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S01.E20: Ladies Love Brunch

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DoYouLikeMutton

DoYouLikeMutton

What is most appalling about Audrey and Mary is their childish, immature, selfish, and jealous behavior.  They are not children, they are mothers and grandmothers.  For the sake of their families, children and grandchildren, and the one child who is introducing his new relationship to his family, can't they leave their hostility and grievances at the door and try to spend a happy occassion together?  Audrey can invite Chloe for dinner another time and get to know her then.  Pretty sad that a teenager, Georgie, has already surpassed them in maturity.

 

 

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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13 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

I'm tired of Mary and Audrey provoking each other…

Are there really people like Mary and Audrey?
Or are they supposed to be expressing what [some] mothers-in-law would say to each other if their thoughts were audible? 
Or maybe IRL they really do say those things, just not to each other?

  • Note: I am a mother-in-law; my daughter has both a mother-in-law and a step-mother-in-law. We all get together for holidays.
    But there are 13 grandchildren between the other 2 mothers-in-law, so the show's issues are not relevant.

 

BTW. What was up with Jim mentioning he has an off-screen mother?

 

13 hours ago, Snow Apple said:

…I like Conner's girlfriend and hope she's strong enough to survive Audrey but if it was real life, I would advise her to run.

7 hours ago, MollyMelrose said:

Sheldon is so lucky to be in California and away from all this dreck.

How about Connor and Chloe move to LA and stay with Sheldon and Amy while they get their band going (Connor & Chloe should be able to book gigs in LA)?
Georgie and Mandy and CeeCee soon follow (Mandy gets a weather girl gig; Georgie opens a tire store).
The inlaws are just occasional guest stars.

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Prairie Rose

Prairie Rose

2 hours ago, iarwain said:

Strange to see Connor eating at the table.  

Exactly. I really wish they would drop the "gag" of him eating while standing at the sink. It's not funny and adds nothing to the show.

On another note, for a show set in the mid-1990s, you would think it was a show set in 2025. They don't seem to make an effort making it a "period" show like YS. That said, I appreciated the Ace of Base poster on Missy's wall!! 

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proserpina65

proserpina65

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3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Are there really people like Mary and Audrey?

Oh yes, there are plenty of people like them in real life.

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

Mary on this show is not the Mary from YS or BBT. Lorre really hates women, I've long suspected it and this show is confirming it for me.

She isn't much different than she was on Young Sheldon.  She was pretty insufferable there when she wasn't getting her way.

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ProudMary

ProudMary

4 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

How about Connor and Chloe move to LA and stay with Sheldon and Amy while they get their band going (Connor & Chloe should be able to book gigs in LA)?
Georgie and Mandy and CeeCee soon follow (Mandy gets a weather girl gig; Georgie opens a tire store).
The inlaws are just occasional guest stars

They'd have to time travel! 😄

Right now Sheldon is a 14/15 year old studying at Caltech. Amy is nowhere on his radar yet.

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Tom Holmberg

Tom Holmberg

12 minutes ago, EtheltoTillie said:

Once again Connor and Chloe are the best characters.  But in this episode Mandy and Georgie were okay.

It's sad that this is true.  I blame the writers, they don't seem to know what to do with the main characters except have them argue.  The whole Dr Tire storyline has barely raised its head.  I'd like to see that developed.

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babyhouseman

babyhouseman

6 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

BTW. What was up with Jim mentioning he has an off-screen mother?

We need another cranky older woman to team up with MeeMaw to rob banks?

I'm blaming Mary and Missy's behaviors on George's death. Missy is a teen who just lost her father. Being single, Mary probably feels left out among the other couples, and Audrey is irritating. Maybe I think about things too much.

One thing they did get right is going to church. Children going to church with mom on Mother's Day is correct.

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iarwain

iarwain

20 minutes ago, Driad said:

I could stand to watch if Audrey & Jim retire, they and Mary are rarely seen (and never Audrey and Mary together), Georgie takes over the tire store and establishes Dr. Tire, Mandy works in broadcasting, and Connor & Chloe are their neighbors.

If Connor and Chloe are living together, does Connor eat at the counter while Chloe is at the table?  Or maybe they both eat on the couch (my suggestion).

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Chit Chat

Chit Chat

13 hours ago, appositival said:

When Audrey complained that she wanted to hear what Chloe was saying, I was hoping Conner would say, "If you weren't talking and changing places, you would have".

Thing is, that table wasn't that big.  Audrey shouldn't have had any problems hearing what Chloe was saying.  We've had many family dinners where the 10-12 of us were seated at 2 separate tables (pulled close together), and since we were all adults, when one person spoke, everyone listened, and we were able to interact just fine!  I really don't like all of the arguing with this show, and I still hate the way Missy is being written.  It's really unpleasant to watch.  

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aqusdealer

aqusdealer

1 hour ago, Chit Chat said:

I still hate the way Missy is being written.  It's really unpleasant to watch. 

That's the exact thought I had when Missy was on the bed talking to Georgie. I wonder if in real life she's upset playing that kind of an unhappy "bad seed" on a tobaggan ride to hell? What's next...a juvenile detention center? Most of the characters just don't make me happy anymore. It's just a bickerfest. Rinse and repeat.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

22 hours ago, ProudMary said:

They'd have to time travel! 😄

Right now Sheldon is a 14/15 year old studying at Caltech. Amy is nowhere on his radar yet.

Oops!
Well, Sheldon loved time travel. 
So, how about:
New season: Sheldon has a Nobel Prize for time travel. 
and:

On 5/9/2025 at 10:21 AM, shapeshifter said:

…Connor and Chloe move to LA and stay with Sheldon and Amy while they get their band going (Connor & Chloe should be able to book gigs in LA)?
Georgie and Mandy and CeeCee soon follow (Mandy gets a weather girl gig; Georgie opens a tire store).
The inlaws are just occasional guest stars

 

 

 

17 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Why wasn't Mary with her own mother?  Where was Meemaw on Mother's Day?

A writers' oopsie unless there was a throwaway line?
I don't see one…?

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, crowceilidh said:

Also, it is ridiculous that everybody has to celebrate on the same day.  My birthday party with my family is often weeks away from the actual date and we all live through it.  They could have done Mary mother's day (and had Meemaw there) on Saturday and Audrey on Sunday.  Jeebus.

My "mother's day" was yesterday.
Tomorrow my grandbabies will spend with their dad's mother and dad's sister and her 2 kids, followed by a quick stop with flowers to see their dad's dad and stepmother (who has 8 other grandchildren).
But would this have been typical in the 90s? 

 

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ams1001

ams1001

45 minutes ago, crowceilidh said:

Also, it is ridiculous that everybody has to celebrate on the same day.  My birthday party with my family is often weeks away from the actual date and we all live through it.  They could have done Mary mother's day (and had Meemaw there) on Saturday and Audrey on Sunday.  Jeebus.

We almost always do birthdays on the nearest weekend (because my brother and I both work). We did my parents' 55th anniversary dinner a week later because their anniversary was on Good Friday and my dad was scheduled to run the cameras at church that night, and my aunt and uncle were away that week. I never knew my mom's parents (and my dad's lived two hours away) but at least they never had to argue over Mother's Day or Father's Day, I guess. 

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Dimity

Dimity

3 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

My "mother's day" was yesterday.
Tomorrow my grandbabies will spend with their dad's mother and dad's sister and her 2 kids, followed by a quick stop with flowers to see their dad's dad and stepmother (who has 8 other grandchildren).
But would this have been typical in the 90s? 

It was in my family anyway.  Any family with more than one adult child who marries and has children of their own learns how to juggle things so everyone feels seen.  I cut Georgie and Mandy a little slack as this is the first year they're dealing with this.  

Audrey and Mary though, come on writers, really?  Shades of the family photo picture episode.  We get it, Mary and Audrey don't get along.  Move on please!

 

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Dimity

Dimity

Saw this again as my husband hadn't seen it.  It did not improve.  If anything it was worse.  The whole set up for the brunch was contrived and Audrey was just hateful.

Also, something I didn't pick up on before, this was Mary's first mother's day without George and this didn't even get mentioned.  Now granted when you only have about 17 minutes you can only do so much but come on.  This should have been an especially poignant day for Mary and it never even got acknowledged.

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ams1001

ams1001

14 hours ago, Dimity said:

Also, something I didn't pick up on before, this was Mary's first mother's day without George and this didn't even get mentioned.  Now granted when you only have about 17 minutes you can only do so much but come on.  This should have been an especially poignant day for Mary and it never even got acknowledged.

I thought about that, too. Also the first with one of her younger kids being too far away to see him.

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Dimity

Dimity

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53 minutes ago, ams1001 said:

I thought about that, too. Also the first with one of her younger kids being too far away to see him.

Jim has a mother who is still living yet there is no attempt to see her or explain why he can't.  MeeMaw is never even mentioned. Sheldon, supposedly Mary's pet is never even mentioned.  Missy is grounded and presumably hiding out in her room.  Audrey really only used Mother's Day as an excuse to meet Conner's girlfriend.   Mary only goes to brunch at all because, well ladies love brunch. 

Oh and the biggest "yeah right" from me is Audrey letting Mandy decide who sits where at the table.  Audrey??  Sure....

This whole episode my eyes kept rolling and I kept thinking about how much I am starting to really dislike this show.  But my husband liked it and thought it was good.  One of us is wrong.  Given the ratings I am going to guess maybe it's me.

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SoMuchTV

SoMuchTV

3 hours ago, Dimity said:

This whole episode my eyes kept rolling and I kept thinking about how much I am starting to really dislike this show.  But my husband liked it and thought it was good.  One of us is wrong.  Given the ratings I am going to guess maybe it's me.

I don’t want to get all school-counselor-ey (as my one daughter would occasionally say to her sister who actually is a school counselor), but nobody has to be wrong. You like what you like. (TM, for any Judge John Hodgman fans.) For what it’s worth, I both like this show and roll my eyes multiple times per episode.

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proserpina65

proserpina65

On 5/9/2025 at 4:06 PM, EtheltoTillie said:

Bagpipes are really awful, aren't they? 

They only work in very, very specific circumstances (mostly involving Scotsmen) and only if the player is really good.

On 5/9/2025 at 5:18 PM, babyhouseman said:

One thing they did get right is going to church. Children going to church with mom on Mother's Day is correct.

Not in my world.  Soooo glad I don't live someplace where it's expected.

On 5/9/2025 at 8:17 PM, Browncoat said:

Why wasn't Mary with her own mother?  Where was Meemaw on Mother's Day?

Meemaw was probably at the casino for their Mother's Day special.

On 5/10/2025 at 1:17 PM, crowceilidh said:

They could have done Mary mother's day (and had Meemaw there) on Saturday and Audrey on Sunday. 

Mary would not have been happy about that at all.

 

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Yeah No

Yeah No

On 5/9/2025 at 10:34 AM, Dimity said:

Lorre really hates women, I've long suspected it and this show is confirming it for me.

Lorre does really hate women but it's never been more obvious and upsetting to me than on this show, sadly.

On 5/9/2025 at 12:11 PM, Prairie Rose said:

On another note, for a show set in the mid-1990s, you would think it was a show set in 2025. They don't seem to make an effort making it a "period" show like YS. That said, I appreciated the Ace of Base poster on Missy's wall!! 

I'm glad it's not just me that thinks this. I generally like Connor but he reminds me more of a present day unemployed Millennial living at home with his parents. I know a couple of them very much like him right now! And his parents are treating him like present day parents would treat such a son. Back in the '90s that would most definitely not have been the case. They'd have been riding his ass about getting a job and moving out. The only thing "period" about Connor is his choice of musical instruments.

On 5/9/2025 at 1:43 PM, proserpina65 said:

We'll have to agree to disagree on that because I saw Mary have plenty of moments where she was a self-righteous, insufferable bitch on Young Sheldon.

Thank you, I agree, Mary is/was insufferable on both shows. We had this disagreement in an earlier episode thread.

On 5/9/2025 at 3:16 PM, Tom Holmberg said:

New series: "Connor & Chloe's First Marriage."

I'd watch the heck out of that!

On 5/9/2025 at 4:22 PM, Tom Holmberg said:

It's sad that this is true.  I blame the writers, they don't seem to know what to do with the main characters except have them argue.  The whole Dr Tire storyline has barely raised its head.  I'd like to see that developed.

On 5/10/2025 at 12:36 AM, aqusdealer said:

 Most of the characters just don't make me happy anymore. It's just a bickerfest. Rinse and repeat.

BBT had its share of family squabbles, nastiness and arguing but at least it made it funny with great comedic lines and situations, and somehow making us care about the characters. Who gives two craps about Mandy's mom? Or Mary on this show? We even had more reason to care about Mary on YS than here. All we have here is the bickerfest.

And the show isn't going anywhere. As was said above, what about Mandy's career and Dr. Tire? The only person advancing at all is Connor by getting himself a nice girlfriend, and he's not even a main character!

On 5/10/2025 at 1:47 PM, shapeshifter said:

My "mother's day" was yesterday.
Tomorrow my grandbabies will spend with their dad's mother and dad's sister and her 2 kids, followed by a quick stop with flowers to see their dad's dad and stepmother (who has 8 other grandchildren).
But would this have been typical in the 90s? 

It most definitely was typical in my family in the 90s! We visited our mothers on different days.

12 hours ago, Dimity said:

I really dislike the way they've made Georgie the good natured, well meaning mature one.  It just doesn't ring true for me at all.

Yeah and I've said so on previous threads myself too. Not buying it. They've fit the characters here into stereotyped caricatures from a mediocre sitcom, and they aren't really fitting especially when compared with their "former" selves on earlier shows. It's as if they allowed a teenager and AI to write it. This is actually beneath previous Chuck Lorre standards.

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bluegirl147

bluegirl147

5 hours ago, Yeah No said:

'm glad it's not just me that thinks this. I generally like Connor but he reminds me more of a present day unemployed Millennial living at home with his parents. I know a couple of them very much like him right now! And his parents are treating him like present day parents would treat such a son. Back in the '90s that would most definitely not have been the case. They'd have been riding his ass about getting a job and moving out. The only thing "period" about Connor is his choice of musical instruments.

He is what we used to call a slacker.

5 hours ago, Browncoat said:

Incidentally, not all ladies love brunch. 

I do not like brunch.  Actually let me correct that.  I don't like brunch food.  If I'm eating out at that time I'm having an early lunch.

4 hours ago, Dimity said:

On YS and BBT Mary was never shown to be a bitter angry shrew, she was not another Audrey.

I liked BBT's Mary but never liked YS's Mary.  To me this Mary is the same as she was on YS. I can tolerate Audrey when she isn't around Mary.

2 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

She definitely came across as an bitter shrew at various points on Young Sheldon.  A holier than thou one at that.

I liked Mary on BBT because her Mary was a character who just happened to be religious and they found some comedy in that.  But on YS Mary was a religious character and it became her identity. 

 

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Dimity

Dimity

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6 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I can tolerate Audrey when she isn't around Mary.

This is the part that annoys me excessively.  Why are these women  being written as adversaries.  Why?  In the name of all that is Lorre why?  Audrey has already 'won' in the sense that Georgie, Mandy and especially Ceecee live with her so what's her deal with being such a complete and utter BITCH to a recently widowed woman whose only crime basically seems to be that she wants to to be part of Ceecees life?  And why do they have Mary even going to the house of someone who treats her this way?  It's nuts.

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