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S01.E15: Game Face

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Morrigan2575

Morrigan2575

The Shae fakout at the end is probably the first shocking reveal that actually worked for me.

After Matty's breakdown over her friend Olympia I'm going to be really disappointed if she wasn't involved in the cover up.

I liked the conversation between Olympia and Shae, i liked that neither woman is being portrayed as one dimensional villain. I'm still expecting a final twist even if we're practically at the Goal Line

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bunnyface

bunnyface

Olympia needs to just go somewhere else, or start her own firm.  Senior is going to jerk her around to mess with Julian, but I don't think he'll ever actually pick her over Julian.  And staying just gives him more opportunities to mess with Julian.  She needs to make a clean break from him and from Julian other than as a coparent. 

Senior is a snakey snake.  And Beau Bridges is looking more like his father every day.

I hope Bitsy stays a little longer.  She's a good character and light spot in this show.

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DanaK

DanaK

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I wasn’t expecting the archivist to be the redditor, but it makes sense given she sees a lot of documents

I’ve grown to really like Bitsy, as air headed as she can be. The bonding stuff between her and Alfie and her and Matty over Alfie was really sweet. Matty became so gentle with her when talking about Alfie

It’s not clear to me if Slamm’d just paid money or is taking the product off the market

Sr is definitely a slimeball

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UsernameFatigue

UsernameFatigue

3 hours ago, bunnyface said:

Olympia needs to just go somewhere else, or start her own firm.  Senior is going to jerk her around to mess with Julian, but I don't think he'll ever actually pick her over Julian.  And staying just gives him more opportunities to mess with Julian.  She needs to make a clean break from him and from Julian other than as a coparent. 

Senior is a snakey snake.  And Beau Bridges is looking more like his father every day.

I hope Bitsy stays a little longer.  She's a good character and light spot in this show.

I would imagine Olympia leaving and starting her own firm, with Matty coming along, is where the show is heading if there is a second season. I don't for a minute think that Olympia was involved in the cover up. With Matty saying that Olympia is the first true friend she has had in a long time, and Bitsy commenting to Matty that she thinks Matty has really missed working as a lawyer, It seems that the show is telegraphing just that. 

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nora1992

nora1992

4 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

That is who I picked to be the leaker since lawyers tend to talk like those people are not there when discussing stuff. 

I don’t see how the redditor could even know who took the documents out.  Maybe there will be an explanation, but even if she saw later that this particular folder of documents (one of hundreds of folders in at least dozens of boxes) was missing, how would she know a) the importance of this one document and 2) that only the key figures could have removed the document?

This is a bigger than usual suspension of disbelief.  Maybe the conclusion will be worthwhile, but that remains to be seen.

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AnimeMania

AnimeMania

11 minutes ago, nora1992 said:

I don’t see how the redditor could even know who took the documents out.  Maybe there will be an explanation, but even if she saw later that this particular folder of documents (one of hundreds of folders in at least dozens of boxes) was missing, how would she know a) the importance of this one document and 2) that only the key figures could have removed the document?

This is a bigger than usual suspension of disbelief.  Maybe the conclusion will be worthwhile, but that remains to be seen.

Since she runs the print (and possibly the copy center) she could have been told to send or print all the files, except for one particular file and give them to the opposing counsel or she might have overheard a lawyer say to make sure that a certain file never reaches opposing counsel.

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nora1992

nora1992

4 minutes ago, AnimeMania said:

Since she runs the print (and possibly the copy center) she could have been told to send or print all the files, except for one particular file and give them to the opposing counsel or she might have overheard a lawyer say to make sure that a certain file never reaches opposing counsel.

But that’s just it: she handles hundreds of documents each day, when not dealing with real estate requests.  What about this one stood out?

AnimeMania

AnimeMania

6 minutes ago, nora1992 said:

But that’s just it: she handles hundreds of documents each day, when not dealing with real estate requests.  What about this one stood out?

Maybe how someone very high up in the firm (that would never be seen in that room because they have assistants for things like that) took a personal interest in somebody else's case.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

4 minutes ago, nora1992 said:

But that’s just it: she handles hundreds of documents each day, when not dealing with real estate requests.  What about this one stood out?

That she was told to not include that one file could have piqued her interest — especially if it turns out she too lost someone to the drugs, and so had been following the case from "afar" with interest.

Also, in the previouslies, they have been showing Shae about to apologize to  Olivia, who cuts her off, presumably not wanting to hear anything else about Shae sleeping with Julian. But maybe Shae wants to apologize for using Julian's key card to dispose of documents? That doesn't make as much sense as her wanting to apologize for using Olivia's, so maybe Shae thought it was Olivia's card, but it was really Julian's?

MissLucas

MissLucas

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I knew who the Redditor was from the moment it was clear the call had come from inside the house. Because I watch too much tv and kept wondering why they would hire Patricia Belcher for a part that looked a bit like comic relief and an occasional provider of  intel on the firm's inside mechanisms. She's a great actress and I look forward to seeing her reaction to Matty's reveal.

I do hope Bitsy stays around for a bit longer. She's such a perfect foil for Matty, Bates and Hagerty are incredible together. 

Is it just me or have they reduced Alfie's involvement in sleuthing? Nowadays it's mostly Edwin doing the on-line research - as it should be - while Alfie is finally shown being a teenager.

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Bastet

Bastet

1 hour ago, possibilities said:

Is the actor playing Alfie really 14? He looks muchyounger, to me.

There's no birth date listed on IMDb (it's not unusual to not want the age known, so the actor will be considered by casting agents for a wider range of roles), but he looks really young to me, too.  This is his first screen role, so not much is out there about him.

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DanaK

DanaK

4 hours ago, Erit said:

I just love the ending of this episode.  The great music, Barry Manilow's Mom sitting anxiously on the bench doing the right thing (terrific acting), and Maddy's hard working starting to come to fruit for the good of the world.  Wonderful feeling! 

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Was the archivist supposed to be meeting Matty in the park or was she just there to signal that she was ready to talk?

Also, I’m curious to find out if Alfie has any lingering issues from being born addicted to drugs. We know that he had seizures after he was born, but was there any dialogue about how he is now?

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slowpoked

slowpoked

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I’ll admit I didn’t see the archivist being the redditor. But obviously Shae was the red herring. I guess I also would have been surprised if it was Shae after all.

My favorite scene this week was of Shae and Olympia’s small talk while doing discovery. We’ve come a long way from writing of two women characters who had a man come in between them. I like that Shae apologized genuinely and took responsibility, and Olympia accepted the apology while also giving equal blame to Julian for the affair. “He’s a grown ass man”. Damn right, he is.

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jabRI

jabRI

One scene I haven't heard mentioned.. at one point Olympia walked over to someone who looked like maybe a security guard and said something like 'can i ask you a question'... and then no follow up.  Was she checking up to see if Maddie used the car service? If she got 'caught' it would be easy to lie her way out of it, but just curious if anyone else noticed that?

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Percysowner

Percysowner

19 hours ago, possibilities said:

Is the actor playing Alfie really 14? He looks muchyounger, to me.

It's hard to say. So often shows cast 20 year olds to play 16 year olds, so it is quite possible that the actor who plays Alfie really is 14 and we just expect kids on TV to look older than they do in real life.

I would love to have Bitsie come back. The dynamic between her and Matty is great. I'm also glad that she pointed out that Matty's revenge tour is just as much of an addiction as Ellie with drugs, their mom with alcohol and Bitsie herself with baking. I've seen it that way for a while and it's good to have someone come out and say it.

I am looking forward to the conversation between Matty and Mrs. Belvin. Why was she so sure that it was either Senior, Junior or Olympia who buried the documents. If she was wrong, Olympia could be cleared.

I will also note that the fact that the person went to the ladies room does make it look like Olympia is the one who did the hiding, there are, currently, no DNA detectors to make sure that "no man will enter these doors".  I really look forward to the end of this season and to seeing how they set up next season.

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DanaK

DanaK

23 minutes ago, Percysowner said:

I really look forward to the end of this season and to seeing how they set up next season.

I have this suspicion that the season long mystery of who hid the document will be resolved by the end of the season and then something big will happen like Olympia will lose the partner race and decide to strike out on her own, bringing Matty and some others with her and that's where we are next season. Of course, that would probably end up making this show rather ordinary and so far it's been pretty different and extraordinary. Given who the showrunner is, she might have interesting things up her sleeve for subsequent seasons

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Yeah No

Yeah No

On 3/15/2025 at 1:24 PM, DanaK said:

I have this suspicion that the season long mystery of who hid the document will be resolved by the end of the season and then something big will happen like Olympia will lose the partner race and decide to strike out on her own, bringing Matty and some others with her and that's where we are next season. Of course, that would probably end up making this show rather ordinary and so far it's been pretty different and extraordinary. Given who the showrunner is, she might have interesting things up her sleeve for subsequent seasons

I am really leaning toward Olympia NOT being the one that hid the document. Right now it's feeling like Senior. He's the slime bucket. I didn't like the way he presented the deal to her and I'm suspicious of the circumstances surrounding that. Or it could still be Julian. The show has made both Senior and Olympia look guilty/not guilty while it hasn't done much to implicate or exonerate Julian. That makes me suspicious too. Or both of them could be guilty with Senior telling Junior to hide the document. That could be the case too.

We have speculated before on Olympia leaving the firm with Matty after this is resolved. Both of them would want to if either of the men is the culprit. I think Olympia would be so disgusted she wouldn't even want to be partner if it were offered to her. But I kind of think she's being jerked around by Senior about that and perhaps he doesn't have any intentions of giving it to her no matter what she does. The nasty way he treated her about her chances of becoming partner in this episode made me think that. He's just dangling the cherries in front of her and threatening to take them away to get her to win cases and make him lots of money. But I am suspicious about his sincerity with her.

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

23 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

Why would anyone who hid the documents reveal that documents were withheld? Wouldn't they want to hide that?

Guilt?

23 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

There is a chance that she's either mistaken or lying about who it is, though.

I would like this if I wasn’t tired of the storyline. 
For example, the comedy Ghosts is one show that hasn’t worn out my patience.
 

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peachmangosteen

peachmangosteen

On 3/15/2025 at 11:27 AM, jabRI said:

One scene I haven't heard mentioned.. at one point Olympia walked over to someone who looked like maybe a security guard and said something like 'can i ask you a question'... and then no follow up.  Was she checking up to see if Maddie used the car service? If she got 'caught' it would be easy to lie her way out of it, but just curious if anyone else noticed that?

I noted this, too. At first I thought the same as you, that she was inquiring about the car service. What was the scene directly after that scene? Because I feel like I ended up just assuming it had to do with that.

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bunnyface

bunnyface

On 3/14/2025 at 9:08 AM, DanaK said:

It’s not clear to me if Slamm’d just paid money or is taking the product off the market

I haven't gone back and watched but I thought they said they agreed to pay $40 million.  I think they said they had 1,000 plaintiffs, and after the firm takes the lion's share of that money...not a lot left for the people.  The football guy might have been right to take the payoff to drop his case.   But I bet they don't take it off the market.  It's legal, it makes them money, they would just have to tighten up their marketing.  I think of it like the vape stuff that is kind of marketed to kids while they swear they aren't marketing to kids and everybody knows it's bad but it's still out there.

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

6 hours ago, bunnyface said:

I haven't gone back and watched but I thought they said they agreed to pay $40 million.  I think they said they had 1,000 plaintiffs, and after the firm takes the lion's share of that money...not a lot left for the people.  The football guy might have been right to take the payoff to drop his case.   But I bet they don't take it off the market.  It's legal, it makes them money, they would just have to tighten up their marketing.  I think of it like the vape stuff that is kind of marketed to kids while they swear they aren't marketing to kids and everybody knows it's bad but it's still out there.

At a guess (and it's just a guess because I've never done class-action work for either side), the plaintiff's firm would be able to recover its costs in bringing the suit and its expenses in administering the distribution of the remaining funds.

Let's say for funsies that the firm is going to claim that it's spent $3 million pursuing the case thus far. Let's say that it gets to shave another $7 million off the top for fees and its future costs for administering the class.  

That leaves $30 million to be distributed to the actual plaintiffs.

Although they already have 1,000 people who have signed up for the class, presumably they are obligated to advertise the settlement to see if others are eligible. It's unclear to me what the actual "class" is supposed to be: any consumers who have had medical or other issues after having drunk Slamm'd? Consumers of Slamm'd who are under 21?

Anyway, let's say with the proper advertising, they end up with 10,000 claimants on the class. That means each of them gets $3k if they opt in. 

Of course, if you had a particularized injuries nothing would stop you from not signing onto the class and suing on your own.

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

18 hours ago, Yeah No said:

But then why falsely implicate others?

It would be certainly possible that the redditor was guilty of participating in the concealing documents along with some combination of Senior/Julian/Olympia and would then not be falsely implicating them. 

Let's say for discussion's sake the redditor and concealer was Julian. It's conceivable that the goal would have been to name himself as a suspect and then "clear" himself later by throwing Senior or Olympia under the bus. 

Anyway, back to what seems to be the reality of Mrs. B being the redditor. (I'm assuming this is to be taken on face value with her appearance in the park).

I am looking forward to Mrs. B discovering that Matty lied about having a dead dog to garner sympathy to allow her access to records in her quest to figure out who is the culprit. Back when that episode aired, I thought that was the first time Matty crossed a serious line for me that i didn't feel like I would ever be able to forgive if I were in that universe. With Mrs. B being a bigger dog lover than I am and more rules-oriented than I am, I hope she at least gives Matty grief for it.

There are a lot of questions in my mind about why Mrs. B took the back-assward approach of using Reddit to out the firm about the Smoking Gun documents, how she came to suspect the Big Three, whether she has her suspicions which of the Big Three is responsible, etc.

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Bastet

Bastet

On 3/15/2025 at 8:27 AM, jabRI said:

One scene I haven't heard mentioned.. at one point Olympia walked over to someone who looked like maybe a security guard and said something like 'can i ask you a question'... and then no follow up.  Was she checking up to see if Maddie used the car service?

That was at the courthouse, though, not the firm.  Olympia addressed her by name, and it's a nicer hallway - especially with that staircase - than any courthouse hallway I've ever been in, but we've seen it several times now when characters walk out of a courtroom and discuss something.

But I never saw Olympia later implement an idea that I thought could have come from whatever unheard question she asked.  I think I dozed off briefly last night when I got in bed to finish this, though, so I'll have to take another look anyway.

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Johnny Dollar

Johnny Dollar

There is zero chance that Olympia is the culprit. She is the costar of the show and is the only one of the three suspects that has appeared in every episode. I don’t think we’ve ever even seen Julian doing actual legal work.

I wonder if they would continue the show next season with the bad guy (or guys) being expelled from the firm with Olympia continuing on as partner. 

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shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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4 hours ago, Chicago Redshirt said:

I am looking forward to Mrs. B discovering that Matty lied about having a dead dog to garner sympathy to allow her access to records in her quest to figure out who is the culprit. Back when that episode aired, I thought that was the first time Matty crossed a serious line for me that i didn't feel like I would ever be able to forgive if I were in that universe. With Mrs. B being a bigger dog lover than I am and more rules-oriented than I am, I hope she at least gives Matty grief for it.

Assuming that in Matty's long life she has had at least 1 or 2 dearly beloved dogs die of old age or illness, would Mrs. B forgive her for fudging the time?
Especially since they would now be on the same team, and both need each other to reach their ultimate goal of holding responsible people accountable. 
I wonder if Mrs. B also lost someone to Wellbrexa's drugs? 

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Nashville

Nashville

On 3/15/2025 at 10:27 AM, jabRI said:

One scene I haven't heard mentioned.. at one point Olympia walked over to someone who looked like maybe a security guard and said something like 'can i ask you a question'... and then no follow up.  Was she checking up to see if Maddie used the car service? If she got 'caught' it would be easy to lie her way out of it, but just curious if anyone else noticed that?

You weren’t alone.

 

On 3/16/2025 at 8:08 PM, Yeah No said:

Why would anyone who hid the documents reveal that documents were withheld? Wouldn't they want to hide that?

Only immediate reason i can see for someone to switch from “hide” to “reveal” would be as one component in a plan to short Wellbrexa stock.

 

On 3/16/2025 at 8:08 PM, Yeah No said:

There is a chance that she's either mistaken or lying about who it is, though.

That conflicts with the entire persona of what’s been presented to us as the Ms. Belvin character, though: the long-time and VERY experienced supervisor of J&M’s records and archives department, for whom the saying “Truth doesn’t matter - documentation does” could very well serve as her epitaph, if she doesn’t already have it tattooed across her ass.  Belvin positively reeks of capability and efficiency, as well as a dogged determination to ensure everyone in the org chart from God on down toes the line on bureaucratic compliance.

I have an alternate hypothesis cooking in my head, but it needs to simmer a mite longer….

shapeshifter

shapeshifter

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4 hours ago, Nashville said:

Only immediate reason i can see for someone to switch from “hide” to “reveal” would be as one component in a plan to short Wellbrexa stock.

I’m assuming Ms. Belvin only knew about the hiding, and didn’t do the hiding, right?
But her job security could have rested on her complicit silence.
Or was there a bonus to look the other way? Perhaps enough to pay for medical bills? Or for a mortgage around 2008 when all the sub-prime loans came due and people lost their homes and went deep into debt? Or college for a child?

If something like this, now she regrets it?

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Chicago Redshirt

Chicago Redshirt

11 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Assuming that in Matty's long life she has had at least 1 or 2 dearly beloved dogs die of old age or illness, would Mrs. B forgive her for fudging the time?
Especially since they would now be on the same team, and both need each other to reach their ultimate goal of holding people responsible. 
I wonder if Mrs. B also lost someone to Wellbrexa's drugs? 

The show can have Mrs. B react however TPTB want, and they can give her whatever motivation they want for wanting to semi-expose Jacobson Moore.

But I feel I'm about 10 percent the dog lover that Mrs. B has been portrayed to be, and I would find someone who lied about their dog dying to manipulate me an unforgivable sin. There would be nothing that they could do to regain my trust.

The thing about Mrs. B is, I'm not sure what she needs Matty for. She already has the keys to the kingdom in terms of access to records. I'm not sure what Matty brings to the table except a willingness to act and to cross lines, which may be something Mrs. B isn't ready to do.

bunnyface

bunnyface

13 hours ago, possibilities said:

I've gotten paid as a member of a class action. I think I got something like $20.

I think the law firm would get a lot more than their costs. 

And the total class is often HUGE-- WAAAAY more than the number they already have when they file the case. 

Yeah, the only time I've gotten a card to be a part of a class action suit, the payout was just a few dollars.  I don't have actual facts, but I've always had the impression the attorneys got about half of whatever the settlement was and then the rest is distributed to the class.  So it doesn't normally break down to much for the "victims."  

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Nashville

Nashville

15 hours ago, possibilities said:

I've gotten paid as a member of a class action. I think I got something like $20.

I think the law firm would get a lot more than their costs. 

And the total class is often HUGE-- WAAAAY more than the number they already have when they file the case. 

In truth, this is the way most class actions actually end up going - the representing legal firm pulls million$ out of the settlement as “reimbursement for legal fees”, while the bulk of the individual plaintiffs end up getting something like…

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