S01.E10: 4:00 P.M.

[juno]

Episode airing Mar 6, 2025

TV-MA

After being punched by the pissed-off patient, Dana arrives back at the ER with a bleeding nose, leaving everyone concerned. Additionally, the team has to deal with the case of a man who has a list of women he wants to eliminate.

PROMO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlNpkr27z3s&t=1s

[AnimeMania]

Henry Samiri

Joanna Going

Bailey Gavulic

[Wicked]

Nooooooooooooooo, I hate this is the way it played out

[AheadofStraight]

Ugh, this has turned me off the show so much. 😭🤬😭🤬

[txhorns79]

I don't understand this twist with Langdon, or why they would decide to have a character who just met him figure all this out over a period of a few hours.  I think this is a big misstep from a show that has so far been excellent, and it is really disappointing. 

Edited Friday at 03:26 AM by txhorns79

[Notabug]

15 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I don't understand this twist with Langdon, or why they would decide to have a character who just met him figure all this out over a period of a few hours.  I think this is a big misstep from a show that has so far been excellent, and it is really disappointing. 

It makes absolutely no sense at all that Santos was able to figure out in just a few hours that Langdon had a serious drug problem; is she a mind-reader?  Psychic?  

Drug abuse is a significant problem amongst medical professionals and, often, the people who work with them every day don't see the signs because they're too close.  However, the stuff Santos noticed required a Grand Canyon sized leap to conclude that Langdon was stealing meds.

On ER, a med student stumbled into a trauma room to find Carter (Noah Wylie's character) shooting up.  The things Santos thought were clues weren't even in the same universe as that.

I suppose now we will get back story on Santos and discover she is incredibly street savvy with fantastic instincts, hence her ability to suss out drug addiction before the end of a shift.

And, of course, Robby handled the whole thing incorrectly.  He needed to get in touch with administration and legal. There are guidelines to be followed in these cases.  Just because Langdon stole the meds does not mean he was using them himself and they needed to try to get to the bottom of what was going on.  Maybe his wife is addicted.  I know two different docs who lost their licenses because they were obtaining narcotics for their addicted wives.  I know another who was selling them on the street for extra money.  Langdon should not have been allowed to leave without an escort from security and he is entitled to a hearing before being fired.  And, of course, the state medical board has to be notified so they can pull his license.

I was glad to see Robby apologize to McKay.  She was absolutely correct, protecting the students who the incel kid was planning to kill was far more important than any consequences the kid would face if the police were involved.  It is also the law, they are mandated reporters.

Edited Friday at 03:43 AM by Notabug

[storyskip]

7 minutes ago, Notabug said:

It makes absolutely no sense at all that Santos was able to figure out in just a few hours that Langdon had a serious drug problem; is she a mind-reader?  Psychic?  

Drug abuse is a significant problem amongst medical professionals and, often, the people who work with them every day don't see the signs because they're too close.  However, the stuff Santos noticed required a Grand Canyon sized leap to conclude that Langdon was stealing meds.

On ER, a med student stumbled into a trauma room to find Carter (Noah Wylie's character) shooting up.  The things Santos thought were clues weren't even in the same universe as that.

I suppose now we will get back story on Santos and discover she is incredibly street savvy with fantastic instincts, hence her ability to suss out drug addiction before the end of a shift.

And, of course, Robby handled the whole thing incorrectly.  He needed to get in touch with administration and legal. There are guidelines to be followed in these cases.  Just because Langdon stole the meds does not mean he was using them himself and they needed to try to get to the bottom of what was going on.  Maybe his wife is addicted.  I know two different docs who lost their licenses because they were obtaining narcotics for their addicted wives.  I know another who was selling them on the street for extra money.  Langdon should not have been allowed to leave without an escort from security and he is entitled to a hearing before being fired.

I totally agree that this story line completely sucks. But Langdon admitted he was using. He explained he got hooked on opioids as a result of a back injury, and try to claim the drugs in his locker were his attempt to wean himself off the narcotics.

Not saying Robby’s approach was correct and there shouldn’t be repercussions, but Langdon admitted to using.

[Notabug]

1 minute ago, storyskip said:

I totally agree that this story line completely sucks. But Langdon admitted he was using. He explained he got hooked on opioids as a result of a back injury, and try to claim the drugs in his locker were his attempt to wean himself off the narcotics.

Not saying Robby’s approach was correct and there shouldn’t be repercussions, but Langdon admitted to using.

Langdon did admit using, but there are rules to be followed here.  Most docs who are stealing meds for themselves aren't going to come right out and admit it and Robby had no way to know that Langdon would fold like a cheap lawn chair the moment he was confronted.  There also needed to be at least one other provider/hospital official present when he confronted him to verify the conversation. That's administration 101 in these situations.  Maybe Langdon's wife is the addict and he was taking them for her but didn't want to get her in trouble, too.  Langdon also needed to provide urine and blood samples to confirm he was using and to see if any other drugs were involved.  

The drugs he was taking were benzodiazepines, not narcotics, BTW.  Valium and Xanax are two common names most people know.  They're sedatives and often used as muscle relaxants which is how Langdon claimed he got started.

[Irlandesa]

38 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I don't understand this twist with Langdon, or why they would decide to have a character who just met him figure all this out over a period of a few hours.  I think this is a big misstep from a show that has so far been excellent, and it is really disappointing. 

Yes.  I'm so disappointed.  It was a huge misstep.  It could have simply ended with Santos learning a lesson about assuming.  Or maybe Santos is right that someone was stealing meds but wrong about the person. 

Her being right about this doesn't redeem her which is what I think the show thinks it did.  It didn't.

[Morrigan2575]

1 hour ago, AheadofStraight said:

Ugh, this has turned me off the show so much. 😭🤬😭🤬

Same. Mother fucking show. 

[JeanJean]

I can' believe they through Langton under the bus. Makes me wonder if I want to continue my subscription since all I watch is Pitt and Maher.

I still hate Santos.

[txhorns79]

51 minutes ago, Irlandesa said:

Her being right about this doesn't redeem her which is what I think the show thinks it did.  It didn't.

This is what I kind of hate.  She has been awful to her fellow student docs/interns.  She also did have problems not listening to her supervising physician and rushing ahead on cases without presenting. 

On the positive side, I really did like McKay this episode and her little moment where Dr. Robby praised her and acknowledged she was right to call the police in on the patient's son.  I also liked Dr. Javadi being a complete spaz over Mateo and accidentally volunteering to be McKay's babysitter.

[statsgirl]

Purely in terms of dramatic plotting, it makes no sense to get rid of Langdon at this point, someone who was not only important in terms of his role in the ER but also was a relatively popular character.

And it makes me hate Santos for the Mary Sue writing for her about this.

[marybennet]

I agree that Dr. Santos's drug radar would have to be extraordinary to figure this all out.  I suspect there's going to be a backstory.  But getting Dr. Langdon out of there immediately is what's best for patient safety, legalities be damned.  And that's what Dr. Robby would think, so the writing seems character-true in that respect.  Also, even if Dr. Langdon were stealing meds for his wife (he isn't), that would be terrible! 

There's a great and terrifying podcast in the world (called The Retrievals) about a real-life nurse who took anesthesia from women undergoing gynecological procedures, leaving them to feel incredible pain.  There are many possible consequences that could follow from a health worker's addiction.  Get him out of there!  (Even if I liked him, which I did.)

[Irlandesa]

7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Purely in terms of dramatic plotting, it makes no sense to get rid of Langdon at this point, someone who was not only important in terms of his role in the ER but also was a relatively popular character.

I do think we'll see the narrative fallout of this in the next few episodes but I still hate it.  We already know that Robby has been having a tough time on this shift because it marks the anniversary of the death of his mentor.  We also know that Langdon is known to be a favorite of Robby's. 

I think this happening on the anniversary of his mentor's death is going to send Robby spiraling. 

[marceline]

Damn Langdon. That’s a shame. This show clearly isn’t afraid to piss off its audience a bit and I’m okay with it.

None of this changes my opinion of Santos. Langdon had her number and was completely right about her. Unfortunately now everything he said will be dismissed as a grudge.

Robby is clearly being stretched to the breaking point.

Edited Friday at 12:12 PM by marceline

[kickingnames]

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it's ridiculous for Santos to be floating this accusation when she's been there for all of seven hours. But I'm preparing to be fully enraged when she's somehow proven right, because drama.

🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

Edited Friday at 06:02 AM by kickingnames
quoting myself from episode 8 thread because the time has come

[Raachel2008]

Are you fucking kidding me? Look show, Santos is a an arrogant bully, a lawsuit waiting to happen, someone who almost killed a man because she thought she knew more and better than people way more experienced than her. Being right about Langdon, who I couldn't care less about, does not makes her remotely likeable. She is not redeemed in my eyes and as far as I'm concerned she can go now. And I really really really hope her screw-ups, her constant bullying of her colleagues and the irresponsible, ultimately dangerous way she adressed the 'abusive' dad come back to bit her in the ass. She is cruel and she enjoys being cruel.

The way I see this, Santos being right about Langdon would have worked better in a second season, because right now she had like five hours working directly with him tops? 

Speaking about Langdon, are you telling me he is that stupid and had the pills in his locker instead of, I dunno, a small plastic bag in his underwear? Patrick Ball and Noah Wyle acted the hell out of that scene.

I always wonder though about the whole 'doctors get injured and become addicts' plot. I would respect that kind of twist waaay more if Langdon had started using to cope with the pressure or something else.

Katherine LaNasa was fuckingtastic tonight. The way Dana tried to took strongf but kept shaking all the time, her lips quivering... Damn, her scenes were the best.

Surprised that ALL the nurses have been assaulted by a patient and shocked Princess had her jaw broken! That scene could have been better directed, the second part was a too PSA. 

Shut up, Gloria! People are having their jaws broken, and you are being condescending.

I haaaated when House had their weekly needle in the eye scenes and hateeed to see the kid's eye like that. What a polite boy. His father needed a reality check but Javadi was not the person for that.

As soon as McKay'ex talked about Matteo I knew he and McKay were having a thing. Javadi cannot be that stupid. Wait.

My favorite scenes, aside Dana, where the ones with Whitaker and the patient's wife. How they bonded about being country kids, the genuine offer for him to visit and eat with then, how he accepted... It was such a lovely moment. And then Langdon reminded Whitaker that the guy is probably going to die and that he needed to talk to Kiara and that was the reality check he needed.

What I really like about this show is that people are concerned to teach and learn - in this episode you have Mckay and Robby, Whitaker and Langdon, Mohran and King, Robby, McKay Javadi. McKay telling Robby he was more concerned about the boy than the girls on his list was such a little great moment, not only the reversal role but showing how even good folks unvoluntary care more about the a boy than (a dozen?) girls.

Neuro guy was not that fun, but King's reaction was priceles.

[Ely]

3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I don't understand this twist with Langdon, or why they would decide to have a character who just met him figure all this out over a period of a few hours.  I think this is a big misstep from a show that has so far been excellent, and it is really disappointing. 

I really cannot believe it. It's such lazy writing. They could've gone another route with this. They set up Santos to be unlikeable and Langdon to be the charming a*hole, so I get the twist. 

But as you say, it is so dumb to get rid of a character like that. He was great with Mel and I feel like Robby needs a male counterpart that highlights how Robby might have started out before burning out. 

Geez, there was a middle way in this. Such a waste of a great character.

I feel like this was done for shock value only. To show the audience "we can get rid of anyone". Well, the audience can stop watching anytime, too.

I don't know if I can get over this. I really don't want to see Santos anymore and I don't feel I can trust the writers. The medical aspect might be well written but storytellingwise they have a big problem and ultimately that is more important to me.

 

Edited Friday at 07:00 AM by Ely
ETA because of typos because I am shocked

[debraran]

I haven't finished it, but why would they take a loved character and destroy it now. Carter had been on a long time and he was redeemed and had Benton helping him. Since this was all filmed ahead, did they not realize how the characters would be effected? Who would like or dislike someone?

[Ariah]

I think I understand why they did this: people we don’t like can be right (like Santos) and those we like (Langdon) can  make mistakes. 
Thinking otherwise is biased.

at the same time, I really, really hope Santos will get her comeuppenance for being a total *ss to her fellow med students and being too sure of herself.

[Affogato]

30 minutes ago, Ariah said:

I think I understand why they did this: people we don’t like can be right (like Santos) and those we like (Langdon) can  make mistakes. 
Thinking otherwise is biased.

at the same time, I really, really hope Santos will get her comeuppenance for being a total *ss to her fellow med students and being too sure of herself.

Yeah, it is not mary sueing or lazy writing, for sure, because that would have been doing the opposite. The likable guy is unfairly victimized, etc.  our dislike of Santos, again fully justified. 
 

it has also only been a few hours.

[marceline]

I read an interview with Noah Wyle where he said this last batch of episodes were going to start feeling different as we gear up for the finale. I'm guessing this is the pivot point.

Checking out other social media and this episode is shaping up to be real polarizing among viewers so I'm even more fascinated by where we go from here. I've noticed that a lot of people are declaring themselves Team Langdon or Team Santos. Personally I don't need to be on either. Langdon is a junkie but  Santos is an HR nightmare waiting to happen. There's no need to choose sides.

I keep wondering which of the patients we've seen are going to make a reappearance. Doug Driscol? Incel kid? Piper and/or her boss? Crosby? I've been expecting some kind of mass injury event but maybe that was never in the cards.

Edited Friday at 02:19 PM by marceline

[preeya]

Here's a good writeup re: Langdon's firing:

https://bitl.to/47Gs

[jah1986]

I did not see it coming. I really hate that this is the way the story went with Langdon. The only hint I got was when Collins called him an adrenaline junkie, his reaction was surprising and that was a clue. Like others have said, Santos being right about this doesn't excuse her being so wrong in her behavior about everything else. There is no redeeming her character.

Only bright spot, for me, was Robby slowing walking away from the nurses tearing the administrator a new one. No, she does not want a nurses strike. I hate that "we're all a family" BS. Let's see how she feels when she's the one punched in the face.

So McKay and Mateo? Didn't see that one coming, especially after Mateo's "I don't date co-workers" speech. Her kid seems to really like him though.

This show...I'm sticking with it until the end of the season, they better nail the landing.

[marceline]

16 minutes ago, jah1986 said:

Only bright spot, for me, was Robby slowing walking away from the nurses tearing the administrator a new one. No, she does not want a nurses strike. I hate that "we're all a family" BS. Let's see how she feels when she's the one punched in the face.

I like that actress a lot but I hate that character. The minute she showed up I wanted to scream. And, yes, Robby feeding her to the wolves put a smile on my face.

[AheadofStraight]

1 hour ago, Ariah said:

I think I understand why they did this: people we don’t like can be right (like Santos) and those we like (Langdon) can  make mistakes. 
Thinking otherwise is biased.

at the same time, I really, really hope Santos will get her comeuppenance for being a total *ss to her fellow med students and being too sure of herself.

You're absolutely right.  Just need her to face some consequences. Husband and I were joking that watch her somehow become redeemed over the future seasons and become a beloved character and we will laugh at these posts filled with our vitriol. (Feels hard to believe right now though.)

[BC4ME]

On another storyline, it occurred to me that it's well past school time now. A school shooting won't be happening during this shift unless it's some after school activity.

[debraran]

2 hours ago, AheadofStraight said:

You're absolutely right.  Just need her to face some consequences. Husband and I were joking that watch her somehow become redeemed over the future seasons and become a beloved character and we will laugh at these posts filled with our vitriol. (Feels hard to believe right now though.)

That would have to be a lot of redemption ;) 

I get the bias angle because I’ve seen that in a medical workplace for decades, people trying to pin things on someone who’s black because they would believe it with them more, doctors stealing drugs and trying to blame it on a peon.

The part that perplexes me is Noah and the gang seem to be writing like this is done like a regular show and not hourly and I just don’t believe that in one day all this would happen. I can’t stretch my imagination that far.

I do hope like John Carter in ER that this doctor gets a chance to redeem himself next season. 
I actually have to keep reminding myself. It’s an hour because it’s just a concept. It’s hard to get used to and sometimes doesn’t make sense.

[txhorns79]

3 hours ago, marceline said:

I like that actress a lot but I hate that character. The minute she showed up I wanted to scream.

She was great on Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.  I do wish they'd give her some nuance.

 

5 hours ago, Affogato said:

Yeah, it is not mary sueing or lazy writing, for sure, because that would have been doing the opposite. The likable guy is unfairly victimized, etc.  our dislike of Santos, again fully justified. 

It's lazy writing in the sense that Santos has only been there a few hours, and has very little to go on in terms of her suspicions about Langdon.  It would make more sense to me if a character who had been there a long time, like Dana, had noticed changes in his behavior or problems with his record keeping, and had grown suspicious.  Instead of Santos being the reporter, she could have served as secondary confirmation for a more established person, who then reported Langdon. 

Edited Friday at 06:56 PM by txhorns79

[AheadofStraight]

15 minutes ago, debraran said:

The part that perplexes me is Noah and the gang seem to be writing like this is done like a regular show and not hourly and I just don’t believe that in one day all this would happen. I can’t stretch my imagination that far.

Yes - that's really the stretch.  If this were 10 weeks even instead of 10 hours (and even fewer than that because she brought it up a few episodes ago), this might be more tolerable.

[Irlandesa]

I think it's polarizing partly because some people binged the series more recently and Langdon's mood swings have been more pronounced that way.   I still think it's a leap for Santos to figure it out with the tiny bit of evidence. 

16 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

It would make more sense to me if a character who had been there a long time, like Dana, had noticed changes in his behavior or problems with his record keeping, had grown suspicious. 

In defense of Santos being the one to notice (and it's my only defense), it could be a boiling frog situation.   The changes in him were so incremental over time that people who know him didn't really see it happening. Their 4-year perception of him overrode the subtle signs. But Santos thought something was suspicious with the glued on meds and if she has any experience with chemical dependency, she may have noticed the signs in Langdon.  Even Mel said something about him sweating a lot at one point.

It's probably like being stumped by a puzzle or toxic situation, stepping away for a while, and when you come back everything seems so much more obvious with clear eyes.

The thing that is hard to take is Langdon wasn't Santos's only target in this shift so this sudden humility doesn't ring true.

Edited Friday at 06:49 PM by Irlandesa

[Raachel2008]

1 hour ago, debraran said:

The part that perplexes me is Noah and the gang seem to be writing like this is done like a regular show and not hourly and I just don’t believe that in one day all this would happen. I can’t stretch my imagination that far.

I could be wrong but I think Langdon/Santos plus what Noah said in a an interview, that the last episodes will feel different, - I feel this may be aimed to covey a sense of rush as the shift (and the season) is ending. They will be short an experienced doctor, they will be tired, Robby will be even more emotional and of course something BIG is going to happen.

I was on the fence about something as a shooting or a mass stampede at the concert, because this show seemed to be taking a different route than the traditional medical drama scripts, BUT after Langdon/Santos I don't doubt it.

And it is not that I don't think Langdon/Santos shouldn't have this outcome, just that it fel rushed and poorly done.

[Notabug]

14 hours ago, marybennet said:

I agree that Dr. Santos's drug radar would have to be extraordinary to figure this all out.  I suspect there's going to be a backstory.  But getting Dr. Langdon out of there immediately is what's best for patient safety, legalities be damned.n.  Get him out of there!  (Even if I liked him, which I did.)

Absolutely, which is why hospitals have protocols in place for suspected substance abusers.  The protocol would demand that Langdon be immediately suspended from all clinical duties and walked off the property by security after they confiscated his ID badge, parking pass, cell phone (most residents have hospital issued phones) etc and blocked his access to the hospital's medical records system.  He would be told not to return without notifying security and administration and making arrangements in advance and would be met at the door and escorted anywhere he went in the building. He would be given notice of a hearing during which he could have legal counsel and the hospital would present their case against him including evidence of the theft found in his locker and for which he might face criminal prosecution.  He would also be reported to the state medical board, as required by law, who would suspend his license until the case was complete to prevent him from working as a physician anywhere. Eventually,  the medical board who would require proof of treatment for substance abuse, an ongoing monitoring program for sobriety and regular assessment of his status to restore his license.

On ER, Carter got hauled off to rehab immediately, but, upon his return, had a meeting with the bosses who laid down a long list of rules for him including not allowing him to work on codes or prescribe controlled substances at first.  He also had to have regular urine testing and was required to produce the specimen in the presence of one of the attendings.  We also learned that the state medical board was involved in monitoring his sobriety.

Edited Friday at 08:22 PM by Notabug

[Raachel2008]

9 minutes ago, Notabug said:

The protocol would demand that Langdon be immediately suspended from all clinical duties and walked off the property by security after they confiscated his ID badge, parking pass, cell phone (most residents have hospital issued phones) etc and blocked his access to the hospital's medical records system. 

But would Robby have confronted him alone? Because I imagine a witness would be needed?

[Madding crowd]

I didn’t like the way this story was handled. I don’t like Santos and wish the people who she assigns demeaning nicknames would report her because other people hearing these names could think less of them even subconsciously and it’s workplace harassment. But putting that aside ( and her threatening a patient), there was no way she had enough evidence based on what was shown and over a few hours . I also think Dr. Robby would have perhaps looked into the evidence without immediately accusing Dr. Langdon.

Why are the family members of patients right up in the field of doctors doing procedures? They would be asked to step outside the room. I’m kind of unhappy that the show is going to change in some big way, I like it the way it was and I liked the character of Dr. Langdon.

[Notabug]

10 minutes ago, Raachel2008 said:

But would Robby have confronted him alone? Because I imagine a witness would be needed?

No, he would've contacted administration and maybe legal and one or more of them would've been present.  There are formal written rules for how this is done and Robby would be required to follow them.  Otherwise, Langdon would have a case for wrongful termination.  He is a resident, which means he is a student as well as an employee and has an employment contract which lays out the procedure for termination.

[preeya]

On another note, the father of the baseball pitcher with the eye injury, thinking his son will be pitching in less than a week should read this:

Herb Score, a former Major League Baseball pitcher, suffered a severe eye injury on May 7, 1957, during a game against the New York Yankees. 

Details of the Injury: 

During the first inning, Score was hit in the face by a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald. 

The ball struck Score between the nose and right eye, causing extensive damage. 

He sustained a fractured orbital bone, retinal hemorrhaging, and damage to his eyelid. 

Recovery and Aftermath: 

Score underwent emergency surgery and spent nearly three weeks in the hospital. 

Despite the severity of the injury, he made a remarkable recovery and regained 20/20 vision in his injured eye. 

However, the injury affected his pitching career, and he never reached the same level of success he had before the accident. 

Score continued to work in baseball as a broadcaster and commentator until his death in 2008. 

 

 

 

[Raachel2008]

2 minutes ago, Notabug said:

No, he would've contacted administration and maybe legal and one or more of them would've been present.  There are formal written rules for how this is done and Robby would be required to follow them.  Otherwise, Langdon would have a case for wrongful termination.  He is a resident, which means he is a student as well as an employee and has an employment contract which lays out the procedure for termination.

That's why Rooby is asking Dana in the promo to track all Langdon order drugs? So he can have a "case"? Because I imagine that if Langdon disappears for a few days and Robby cannot prove the pills were his, the drugs wouldn't show on Langdon's blood/urine and it would be a he said x he said situation...

Not that I think Robby would do this, just that it seemed dumb.

[Affogato]

2 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

She was great on Crazy Ex-Girlfriend.  I do wish they'd give her some nuance.

 

It's lazy writing in the sense that Santos has only been there a few hours, and has very little to go on in terms of her suspicions about Langdon.  It would make more sense to me if a character who had been there a long time, like Dana, had noticed changes in his behavior or problems with his record keeping, and had grown suspicious.  Instead of Santos being the reporter, she could have served as secondary confirmation for a more established person, who then reported Langdon. 

Not really. Because Santos jumps to conclusions and acts on them immediately, which is kind if why you hate her. She is emotionally disregulated. So, sometimes she is right. Some times wrong. 

[Raachel2008]

8 minutes ago, Affogato said:

Not really. Because Santos jumps to conclusions and acts on them immediately, which is kind if why you hate her. She is emotionally disregulated. So, sometimes she is right. Some times wrong. 

Santos is a bully and that's enough reason to not like her. And that doesn't have anything to do on how she regulate her emotions.

[SeanBug]

7 hours ago, marceline said:

I like that actress a lot but I hate that character. The minute she showed up I wanted to scream. And, yes, Robby feeding her to the wolves put a smile on my face.

I deal with that kind of stuff at my job. All we hear is how mgmt cares about us and wants us to be safe. Yet they cut our hours while we have at least 5 people out right now due to job related injuries.  We don't have enough staff and we have to hurry to get work done, but sure cut our hours so we don't get our usual level of pay and our benefits are at risk.  And wonder why we're burnt out and pissed off.  And we don't have life and death situations to deal with. 

I really hope there's a somewhat good resolution to the Langdon story line. 

I feel so bad for that young pregnant wife.  

I wanted to punch that baseball kid's dad. The kid practically lost his eye and his dad wanted him to play in a couple days. JFC

[juliet73]

I agree with everyone else about the Santos/Langdon storyline.  
1.  Langdon didn’t show any signs of questionable behavior and even if he did, how would Santos know it was drug related or just his personality? She’s known him for half a day!

2.  I’m no pharmacist or doctor, but from what I could see, all the caps on the drugs that Santos thought were suspicious looked all liked injectable drugs.  Langdon had capsules in a ziploc bag.  And really Langdon?? In the locker? In plain sight? Stupid!

I really liked Langdon and I think the storyline could have been way better if they waited a season or two.  It would have been way more believable for sure!

I didn’t realize Dr. King was Bryan Cranston’s daughter.  She’s knocking it out of the park! 

I wouldn’t last one day working with that “joke” doctor!

I’m really over the admin coming down every episode complaining about patient satisfaction and crowded waiting rooms, etc!  The more time she spends with Dr Robby, the more the patients have to wait.  
 

Glad Dana is okay, but girl, go home for the day!  The chaos will still be there when you come back tomorrow! 

 

 

[Racj82]

I dont have an issue with how the storyline with Santos and Langdon played out.

I feel like a lot of the hostility towards the conclusion is just it was Santos who was right.

All of the talk about the law is not invalid. But, all that stuff won't play out now. This cannot be compared to what happened with Carter. We had seasons of Carter to compare. We know why he did it. He had bonds with the staff that we saw built up. ER is not hour to hour. We won't see every part of this story fallout on screen.

It is very easy for people around you every day to overlook or not want to see the worst in someone but someone fresh and new to just dial in on something being wrong here.

This doesn't make me hate the show or anything like that.

We also don't know enough about any of these characters to say any of them would or would not do this or that.

[Irlandesa]

5 hours ago, Raachel2008 said:

That's why Rooby is asking Dana in the promo to track all Langdon order drugs? So he can have a "case"? Because I imagine that if Langdon disappears for a few days and Robby cannot prove the pills were his, the drugs wouldn't show on Langdon's blood/urine and it would be a he said x he said situation...

Not that I think Robby would do this, just that it seemed dumb.

In interviews, Wyle keeps pointing out that Robby is not at the top of the game during this shift and it has been building in him.  I think the fact that he didn't follow protocol was probably intentional.  He may not even have suspected Langdon until he saw Langdon's reaction to being accused.

20 minutes ago, Racj82 said:

I feel like a lot of the hostility towards the conclusion is just it was Santos who was right.

I 100% wholly admit to this being the case for me.  I'm not all that mad that Langdon is taking drugs.  I am mad that it was Santos who caught him.

[SoMuchTV]

11 hours ago, jah1986 said:

So McKay and Mateo? Didn't see that one coming, especially after Mateo's "I don't date co-workers" speech. Her kid seems to really like him though.

Wait, did I misread the situation? (Or maybe I’m misreading your comment.) I thought the reveal was that Mateo was actually McKay’s babysitter, and Javadi inadvertently volunteered to take on that role for the date they were discussing. (Date like calendar date, not romantic date.)

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Clarifying

[Notabug]

4 minutes ago, SoMuchTV said:

Wait, did I misread the situation? (Or maybe I’m misreading your comment.) I thought the reveal was that Mateo was McKay’s babysitter, and Javadi inadvertently volunteered to take on that role for the date they were discussing. 

We learned in an earlier episode that McKay doesn't have primary custody of her son, he lives with his father and she gets visitation.  This has something to do with her ankle monitor I expect.  She expressed the hope that she would be able to get joint custody once her legal situation was resolved.

That being the case, she wouldn't have needed Mateo to babysit until this episode when her ex was hospitalized.  Yet, it was clear from the start that Mateo and the kid are friends and know each other pretty well which seems to indicate that he has spent time with McKay while her son was with Hence, the speculation that McKay and Mateo are an item.

[statsgirl]

Robby is unravelling. Yes show, we get it, Dana was beat up and his protege is using. But it still doesn't excuse the bad plotting.

22 hours ago, storyskip said:

Not saying Robby’s approach was correct and there shouldn’t be repercussions, but Langdon admitted to using.

My objection isn't that Langdon is using but that it was so badly set up.  Through the first 9 episodes, Santos has been shown to be arrogant, dismissive and unwilling to learn. She's made mistakes because she thought that shew as smarter than everyone else including people who rank higher on the medical hierarchy.  She broke rules because she thought that she was above them (e.g. smarter than even 4th year residents) and cherry picks her patients. She also uses people to get ahead. Why is the show rewarding her?  Because they want a big gotcha?

Good writing lays out all the clues for the reader/viewer. Better writing lays out the clues and obfuscates them so that when the answer is revealed, you see how it happened but it was still a surprise at the reveal. As of right now, this plot twist was neither.

This reminds me of an episode of House where one of the fellows committed suicide, no reason given. David Shore said that sometimes there is no reason for a suicide but that's not true. Other people may not know the reason but there is always a reason. Lazy writing, just as this seems to be lazy writing.

Other than sweating, what were the signs of Langdon using? His medical judgement and his teaching other than with Santos were good. As Collins said, he is an adrenaline junkie, a description often given to people with ADHD, and even the explosive anger at Santos could be a symptom of ADHD, and it wasn't out of nowhere consider how Santos had been behaving.

5 hours ago, Affogato said:

Not really. Because Santos jumps to conclusions and acts on them immediately, which is kind if why you hate her. She is emotionally disregulated. So, sometimes she is right. Some times wrong. 

She doesn't seem emotionally disregulated to me; she knows what she is doing and does it deliberately, she thinks that she is smarter and better than everyone, and she hates it when she is proved wrong or chastised (something typical of narcissists). But even if she is, she wants to be a doctor and needs to control herself.

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There was an interesting radio interview this morning on post pandemic trauma nursing problems. There was a protest by nurses last week in British Columbia.  The bed block on the show where Robby complains that admitted patients is real, the nurse from Surrey Memorial (one of the biggest hospitals in North America) said that they usually have 120 - 130 admitted patients waiting for a bed upstairs. Nurses try to avoid making eye contact because they have no space for any further requests. 26 nurses a month in BC are subjected to violence.  The nurses interviewed were sympathetic to the frustrated patients and family members. I don't know how they keep doing it.

[statsgirl]

In other thoughts:

I really like the 2 Filippina nurses talking to each other in Tagalog. It's realistic and rare to find in American TV.

I loved everyone's reaction to McKay's ex. And his jealousy of Mateo (yum). Looks like the ex's new partner is responsible for the ankle monitor.

Poor Javadi, inadvertently asking to go along with McKay and Mateo on their date. But Mateo should have been honest with her instead of telling her that he doesn't date co-workers.

If Javadi started university at 13, her parents should have had her take a gap year maybe before medical school, maybe before her internship in a couple of years, to learn what real life is like. That's not what high achiever immigrant parents do but clearly Javadi is resenting the pressure.

I liked the joke-y opthalmologist, and that Mel clued in how to talk to him in the end.

Langdon telling Whittaker to get in touch with the social worker because the burn patient was going to die is a nice touch.

Farming is a dangerous occupation. We don't respect that enough.

Edited 23 hours ago by statsgirl

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19 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I really like the 2 Filippina nurses talking to each other in Tagalog. It's realistic and rare to find in American TV.

I was thinking only one was Filipina, and the other was the one who spoke several different languages.  But your point stands, they could talk “in private” in front of everyone else.