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S01.E07: The Day

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snarktini

snarktini

That was really hard to watch. Knowing things you can't say is an impossible situation, and so is having to look someone in the eye and tell them they are staying behind to die. I thought Cal was wrong to go live with his second speech -- people were gunned down at the WH because of the panic it created. I'm okay with telling the truth, but it should have been recorded and played after they were gone. Totally agree this is why Cal drinks so much.

It never occurred to me that a globally destructive natural event like the tsunami would lead to nuclear war. Damn. New fear unlocked! It does seem counterproductive though -- if the reason for going to war is to gain an advantage (crops / resources / land etc) because of upcoming scarcity but everyone nukes everyone, doesn't that still obliterate most things anyway? Maybe reducing the population is a bonus, or each aggressor believes they can be the better scavengers?

Love the twist on what else the football can do. Clever.

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circumvent

circumvent

43 minutes ago, snarktini said:

if the reason for going to war is to gain an advantage (crops / resources / land etc) because of upcoming scarcity but everyone nukes everyone, doesn't that still obliterate most things anyway?

If everyone nukes everyone the planet dies. The dark cloud of the nuclear blasts would block the sun. Some say that a few areas in Australia and New Zealand could survive a nuclear war. Who knows? I would want to go on the first wave of destruction. 

snarktini

snarktini

1 hour ago, circumvent said:

If everyone nukes everyone the planet dies. The dark cloud of the nuclear blasts would block the sun. Some say that a few areas in Australia and New Zealand could survive a nuclear war. Who knows? I would want to go on the first wave of destruction. 

That’s my understanding of how a global nuclear war would play out. What confuses me is the military chief (Curtleigh) telling Cal that they expected nuclear action because countries would be going to war to “secure resources for what comes next”. Later they say the eruption will destroy supply chains and crops, and countries are firing off nukes to fight incursions. So it sounds like they think that the nukes are preferable and will protect their resources. Yet it's unclear how that works if "fighting incursions" still destroys everything.

Also, the sound wave thing is wild. Who knew?!

snarktini

snarktini

10 minutes ago, circumvent said:

It sounds very American to me. It is either us or nobody. Kill everyone because killing is better than risking anyone surviving anything. This country is disgusting

Can't disagree with the general sentiment, but for what it's worth in this scenario it was Russia and China that were advancing on borders and firing nukes first Joint Chiefs were recommending the US retaliate (at everyone yay). They said "every country with a military" would be thinking and acting this way.

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SeanBug

SeanBug

29 minutes ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

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OMG you may be right!!!  I can't believe that's Amy Pietz. She kind of looked familiar but I had to look it up. 

Geoffrey Arend from Madam Secretary is the long hair scientist guy. I wondered what happened to him. 

1 minute ago, Ellaria said:

James Marsden stole my heart in this episode.

I really like him. I saw the other day Jury Duty is getting another season. He was so good in that. Especially when he found out he didn't get the part in the movie and went nuts. Also Westworld (swoon). 

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Paloma

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1 hour ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

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“The DNA from Cal’s murder didn’t match anyone in the bunker. It appears our killer came from the outside.”

So does that mean a survivor somehow snuck into the bunker? How would that be possible, and why would that person be wearing a jacket with the flower design (as Presley saw) that was so meaningful to Cal's father?

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circumvent

circumvent

1 hour ago, snarktini said:

Can't disagree with the general sentiment, but for what it's worth in this scenario it was Russia and China that were advancing on borders and firing nukes first Joint Chiefs were recommending the US retaliate (at everyone yay). They said "every country with a military" would be thinking and acting this way.

Of course American television would have China and Russia as the biggest villains. The truth is that there is one country that is considered the most dangerous country in the world and we all know which country is that.

I actually cheered when the plane with Congress and the Justices fell. YAY! If one day life imitates "art" may this writing be prophetic.

The people should have revolted before when the "rumors about the billionaires bunker" emerged. Nothing good can happen when  billionaires are involved. 

When Sinatra said "humanity needs us" (or something like this) the alarms of cognitive dissonance were louder than the sound waves that downed a plane. Also confusing is Sinatra saying that they need sensors on the outside to control things in the hole (?). But if the planet was set back 500 years, how come they are functioning so well? Or are they? If an outsider killed the president, why aren't other outsiders invading the hole and going for their food resources? The show just keeps piling up questions and not giving logic answers.

I think that the football actually needs two people to activate it, not only the president. I guess the president has the authority to decide to use it but it requires a second person to do the deed. Not sure tough

The explanation about destroying the world with nukes so that people don't steal crops or land was clumsy. A nuclear war, other than preventing the sun to shine in more than 90% of the planet would also create radioactivity that would make it impossible to feed survivors. in Chernobyl nature is back and animals roam around but they live much less and most are infertile. To repopulate the world it would take many generations, and there would be several mutations as a form of adaptation. If the people in the bunker could keep reproducing and had enough resources, and the future generations eventually  leave the hole, they would find a very different human race, if any.  Nothing that those people said makes any sense. I don't like when shows that want to depict a real possibility come up with a bunch of bullshit to explain their lack of coherence. 

Xavier should just kill Sinatra and take over as the new führer. the woman is a psychopath. I don't believe in her little recording but really don't care too much. It is one episode to the end, right? Not sure if I am interested enough on another season after one year.

I thought the episode was convoluted, like having a disaster movie of 2 hours in 42 minutes. meanwhile, in real life, the Doom's Clock is one second to midnight.

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chaifan

chaifan

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Damn.  That was probably the most riveting hour of television I've ever watched.  They deserve all of the awards for this episode alone.  

I posted in an earlier thread that around the time of the tsunami in either Japan or Thailand (can't remember which) I heard some theory about a volcano somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, and if that erupted the tsunami would take out the east coast.  I don't remember there being talk about an ash cloud, though.  So I wonder if that's actual science or just sci-fi for the show.  

I get the nuclear war part, but I don't get the immediacy of it.  It would make sense for war to break out as soon as you know what's left to fight for.  But I don't understand the rational for immediately firing nukes at other countries.  Especially knowing they can and will fire back.  They don't call it Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) for nothing.

I also am confused about the EM pulse.  Wouldn't that take down AF1?  And any other planes in the air heading to Paradise?  I do love the concept of that being an option.

If the best the scientists were hoping for was a ten day warning window, and that got reduced to "minutes", then the whole bit about Cal "hinting" to X to keep Teri close doesn't make sense.  If Cal wasn't yet given a 10 day warning, then there'd be no issue with Teri going to Atlanta.  If Cal would get a 10 day warning, he could tell X to get Teri back home with plenty of time to spare.  So I get why X was distraught, but nope, he can't blame this on Cal.

I find it odd that the planes were divided up as they were.  You think you'd put 1/3 of each group on each plane.  Having all of Congress and the Supreme Court on one plane wasn't a good plan.  But I also wonder if all of Congress, all of the SC were part of the plan.  They wouldn't need all of them.

You have to wonder how many other people didn't make it to Paradise.  I'd have to guess a lot.  Everyone thought they'd have 10 days, and they had a few hours.  

I loved Sinatra in this episode.  Man, nothing phases her.  Almost nothing.  Cal wanting to use the EM pulse is the only time we've seen her rattled.  

I think we now know there was only 1 bunker involving the US gov't.  So much for the theory of multiple bunkers.  I'm surprised they didn't have communication monitoring equipment set up before the scientists went up top.  Maybe they didn't have time to do that?  

oooh, someone from outside the bunker!  I love the theory about Marsha.  But that almost seems too obvious at this point.  I'm guessing more that someone snuck in with the original bunch that wasn't supposed to be there; grabbed someone else's wristband and has been pretending to belong this whole time.  But then, why wait 3 years to kill Cal?

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txhorns79

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18 minutes ago, chaifan said:

I loved Sinatra in this episode.  Man, nothing phases her.  Almost nothing.  Cal wanting to use the EM pulse is the only time we've seen her rattled.  

She was pretty rattled and near falling apart during last week's episode.  She thinks she is control now, which is why her entire attitude has changed. 

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Snazzy Daisy

Snazzy Daisy

43 minutes ago, Paloma said:

So does that mean a survivor somehow snuck into the bunker? How would that be possible, and why would that person be wearing a jacket with the flower design (as Presley saw) that was so meaningful to Cal's father?

It won't be easy to get in and out of the bunker undetected. Theoretically, someone from the Paradise must have helped bringing the killer in, for whatever reasons. Other than Sinatra, who has this level of capabilities?

Sinatra is obviously lying about the DNA result to manipulate Xavier to do her bidding. Remember what Robinson told Xavier at Cal's funeral in E05?

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"The crime scene. I sent the DNA samples to the lab for testing a few days ago. The samples never arrived at the lab. And who is the one person with the power to get in the way of something like that?"

 

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txhorns79

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2 hours ago, chaifan said:

I also am confused about the EM pulse.  Wouldn't that take down AF1?  And any other planes in the air heading to Paradise?  I do love the concept of that being an option.

My impression was that the pulse was moving slowly enough so the plane would get to the bunker before it hit. 

I did understand why Cal wanted to tell people the truth, but I do think that was a big mistake in the end.  Just at the White House, you saw the chaos he unleashed, so I can only imagine what that would have been like everywhere else.   

I also felt like Cal and Xavier should have kissed at some point during their screaming match on the runway.  I know the show isn't going that way, but it felt appropriate at that particular moment.

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snarktini

snarktini

1 hour ago, chaifan said:

I find it odd that the planes were divided up as they were.  You think you'd put 1/3 of each group on each plane.  Having all of Congress and the Supreme Court on one plane wasn't a good plan.  But I also wonder if all of Congress, all of the SC were part of the plan.  They wouldn't need all of them.

It jumped out at me that the VP and the President were on the same plane. That doesn't seem like smart planning...

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chaifan

chaifan

6 minutes ago, txhorns79 said:

I did understand why Cal wanted to tell people the truth, but I do think that was a big mistake in the end.  Just at the White House, you saw the chaos he unleashed, so I can only imagine what that would have been like everywhere else.   

I agree.  And I can see this as a reason why they didn't tell the world about the impending volcanic eruption, tsunamis, potential for global nuclear war, etc.  It would induce widespread panic and violence.  It sounded like even without the inevitable nuclear wars, that the scientists predicted that the tsunamis and ash cloud would kill most people and make the surface uninhabitable for any survivors.  So if everyone was going to die, why unleash chaos for their remaining days, weeks, or even months?  (How close were the scientists able to time the volcanic eruption?)  

I thought the bit about the tsunamis going from north to south pole, and back again a dozen times was interesting.  I think that was just hammering home the point that any places not at high elevation would be taken out by the resulting flooding (up to a certain elevation), not just the coastal areas.  Survivors in Colorado, sure, I can buy that.  But Atlanta?  It sounds like Atlanta would be under water.  So it will be interesting to learn how Teri survived.

My least favorite part of the episode was the oh, so convenient discovery of Teri's voice among all the communications.  I think it would have been less eye-rolling if they wrote it so it was possible that Teri somehow got her wristband, and the communications equipment was picking up a ping from that.  So, maybe Teri, maybe not?  

 

 

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transitfan

transitfan

1 hour ago, snarktini said:

It jumped out at me that the VP and the President were on the same plane. That doesn't seem like smart planning...

Yep, no way that happens in real life.  Probably a rare goof by the producers/writers.  The VP would fly on an aircraft designated as Air Force Two even if he or she is travelling to the same place as the President.  Usually, AF2 is a plane which is the Air Force equivalent of the Boeing 757 (I don't know the official AF designation for the plane, the 747 that usually serves as AF1 is a VC-25A.

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TimWil

TimWil

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I dunno,wasn’t the 8.9 earthquake in LA sort of overegging the pudding on the show’s part, as it were? A moment of Armageddon giddiness? Would the volcano eruption/tsunami have really triggered The Big One which has eluded that part of the world for so many years?

I did find it amusing (in a macabre sense) that Australia and New Zealand were decimated first by the volcano/tsunami since it’s often been believed in the past that both places would be the last to go in the event of an actual nuclear catastrophe.

I wonder if the bit about Denmark being attacked (most likely by Russia) was tacked on very recently in post-production of this episode, what with Denmark being in the news and all.

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TiffanyNichelle

TiffanyNichelle

You know what? I could have dealt with not seeing what happened that day. Damn that was dark. I'm glad the series didn't open with that because I probably wouldn't have kept watching, I was so disturbed by everything. An earthquake basically ended up in nuclear war. Crazy!

But hey, Teri is alive! I now understand why Xavier was so mad at Cal for what happened to Teri. I get why he wanted Cal to tell him to make her stay at home but would either Teri or Xavier had believed him that it was about to happen? And Cal did think they had a little more time. But hey Xavier, you also didn't warn that secretary either and let her think you were going to save her son. You left her and a lot of other people behind as well.

I wonder who snuck into the bunker and killed the President.

4 hours ago, Snazzy Daisy said:

It won't be easy to get in and out of the bunker undetected. Theoretically, someone from the Paradise must have helped bringing the killer in, for whatever reasons. Other than Sinatra, who has this level of capabilities?

If that one guy was able to sneak his dog in and hide him for 3 years it's possible someone else got in during that time.

 

3 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I also felt like Cal and Xavier should have kissed at some point during their screaming match on the runway.  I know the show isn't going that way, but it felt appropriate at that particular moment.

When Cal was like "I need you" I said "now kiss!" so I feel you, lol.

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circumvent

circumvent

9 hours ago, chaifan said:

I heard some theory about a volcano somewhere in the Atlantic Ocean, and if that erupted the tsunami would take out the east coast.

There is a movie, I think it is from Sweden, about a volcano opening a crack in an island in the resort island and causing the mountain to colapse into the ocean and cause a tsunami. It is really interesting and it is based on a real possibility, apparently. I think it is on Netflix. I can't remember the name

Paloma

Paloma

Along with most others, I thought this was a great episode, extremely well written, directed, and acted. Although while watching the episode I didn't completely get the significance of the opening scene (flashback to 1962 and the Cuban missile crisis), after reading some comments and recaps I now see that there were two layers of significance. One layer was that the seemingly inevitable total destruction was avoided thanks to the decision of one man: Vasili Arkhipov in the Cuban missile crisis and Cal Bradford in this episode. I didn't know the details about the real-life situation but found this interesting article that shows how close we really came to nuclear war and how Arkhipov "saved the world": https://www.gzcenter.org/the-man-who-saved-the-world-from-a-nuclear-war/#:~:text=At a time when the,that very crisis in 1962.  

The other layer was the significance of the colonel in 1962 switching the lights on and off at the end of the scene. I was puzzled by that while watching, but now I get that this was meant to be the start of his idea that led to the Cal having the option of a switch that would turn off all electronic signals (or something like that) and thus prevent missiles from firing or at least stop them from landing. In the episode I'm not sure how much good it did for Cal to turn the switch when he did, because on the screen tracking the missiles it looked like they all were already hitting their targets or very close to them. Atlanta did appear to be hit or about to be hit, so I don't know how Teri would have survived even if the missile exploded close to Atlanta. My husband says that if it exploded in the air it would be less damaging than the mushroom cloud that would result from a ground hit, so I guess we have to assume that it was not a ground hit.

 

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Paloma

Paloma

32 minutes ago, circumvent said:

There is a movie, I think it is from Sweden, about a volcano opening a crack in an island in the resort island and causing the mountain to colapse into the ocean and cause a tsunami. It is really interesting and it is based on a real possibility, apparently. I think it is on Netflix. I can't remember the name

The Netflix movie is "La Palma"--we watched it a few weeks ago. It's about a Norwegian family vacationing in the Canary Islands when they face impending disaster. Not a great movie, but interesting to see the different ways that people and governments respond to this (though on a smaller scale than the disaster in this show).

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Haleth

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With only 25k spots I keep thinking what a waste of space and resources it would have been to include Congress and SCOTUS in Paradise instead of people with practical skills. Of course high ranking officials and billionaires would buy their gold cards for entry but plumbers and electricians and farmers would bring more value. 

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SnarkAttack

SnarkAttack

17 hours ago, circumvent said:

If everyone nukes everyone the planet dies. The dark cloud of the nuclear blasts would block the sun. Some say that a few areas in Australia and New Zealand could survive a nuclear war. Who knows? I would want to go on the first wave of destruction. 

Agree.  That's why I don't get preppers; why would you want to stick around?  Of course, I'm not exactly young, so that plays into it, lol.

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OMG, yes!  They made a big deal about her, so it's gotta mean something.  

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chaifan

chaifan

A few thoughts as I've been marinating on this episode...

1.  Paradise was originally planned for 25,000, but how many people are actually down there?  We know they're missing at least one plane load of Congress members, justices and presumably their families.  But how many other people weren't able to get in the air on time with such little notice?  Apparently everyone thought they'd have 10 days or so notice.  I think it would be interesting to find out that they lost a good % of the people, maybe up to half of who is supposed to be there.  And of the people who are there, a good amount would be people who are there to make it run, who were there setting up the place.  (Most likely their families didn't make it, though.)  The entry way/hangar has only a few planes, but a lot of space.  Does that signify most of the planes that didn't make it?  

1a.  How did Billy and Jane get there with so little notice?  Were they already embedded in the secret service before the disaster?  Or were they already in Paradise?  

2.  How does everyone have a full personalized wardrobe, able to last a lifetime?  If no one had notice, they only came with what they had at the time.  I can see Paradise having planned out stocked warehouses of clothing, school uniforms, things like that.  We know the liquor had arrived (2 football fields worth).  But all those suits for X and the other secret service agents?  Really nice suits and business clothes for Sinatra and the board?  It seems like only a handful of people really knew what "Versailles" was about.  So Cal, Sinatra, Gabriella and maybe a few others would have shipped stuff down in advance.  But everyone else?  Did someone else stock their closets for them, or are they now using resources that were meant to be replacements or for future generations.  (And now I realize why so many sci-fi shows centered around new world building have everyone wearing the same outfit - standard uniforms are easier from a resource standpoint.)

3.  How were they able to get all that artwork if no one else in the world knew this was coming?  Yes, we saw them taking some pictures off the walls in the White House, but so much of what we've seen would have been in museums around the world.  Either the White House came up with some ruse (loan those to us for an upcoming special exhibit at the Smithsonian) or they're all fakes.

4.  How ready was Paradise?  Was it at 100%, just waiting for the volcano to erupt?  Or were they still working on things?  Is this the first construction project ever to be finished ahead of time?

 

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circumvent

circumvent

14 minutes ago, chaifan said:

A few thoughts as I've been marinating on this episode...

1.  Paradise was originally planned for 25,000, but how many people are actually down there?  We know they're missing at least one plane load of Congress members, justices and presumably their families.  But how many other people weren't able to get in the air on time with such little notice?  Apparently everyone thought they'd have 10 days or so notice.  I think it would be interesting to find out that they lost a good % of the people, maybe up to half of who is supposed to be there.  And of the people who are there, a good amount would be people who are there to make it run, who were there setting up the place.  (Most likely their families didn't make it, though.)  The entry way/hangar has only a few planes, but a lot of space.  Does that signify most of the planes that didn't make it?  

1a.  How did Billy and Jane get there with so little notice?  Were they already embedded in the secret service before the disaster?  Or were they already in Paradise?  

2.  How does everyone have a full personalized wardrobe, able to last a lifetime?  If no one had notice, they only came with what they had at the time.  I can see Paradise having planned out stocked warehouses of clothing, school uniforms, things like that.  We know the liquor had arrived (2 football fields worth).  But all those suits for X and the other secret service agents?  Really nice suits and business clothes for Sinatra and the board?  It seems like only a handful of people really knew what "Versailles" was about.  So Cal, Sinatra, Gabriella and maybe a few others would have shipped stuff down in advance.  But everyone else?  Did someone else stock their closets for them, or are they now using resources that were meant to be replacements or for future generations.  (And now I realize why so many sci-fi shows centered around new world building have everyone wearing the same outfit - standard uniforms are easier from a resource standpoint.)

3.  How were they able to get all that artwork if no one else in the world knew this was coming?  Yes, we saw them taking some pictures off the walls in the White House, but so much of what we've seen would have been in museums around the world.  Either the White House came up with some ruse (loan those to us for an upcoming special exhibit at the Smithsonian) or they're all fakes.

4.  How ready was Paradise?  Was it at 100%, just waiting for the volcano to erupt?  Or were they still working on things?  Is this the first construction project ever to be finished ahead of time?

 

Excellent points that I am afraid, we will never have answers to. I know a lot of people here think this is one of the best shows ever. I dissent. I actually think the writing is really poor. The acting is ok, don't think anyone is giving a great performance. TV is about the writing (like theater is about the acting, movies about the directing - generally, of course. Everything needs to line up). If the writing is not good, it gets really hard to get into (my opinion, obviously)

28 minutes ago, SnarkAttack said:

Agree.  That's why I don't get preppers; why would you want to stick around?  Of course, I'm not exactly young, so that plays into it, lol.

Right? I am old but my reasons are mostly because the most important person in your life is life needs medication and supports and I don't want to see her suffer and have to live through the apocalipse just to die. I want us to be gone at first blast.

I guess people want to believe they can survive, they are ignorant and don't really know the consequences of a catastrophic event, or think it is like the movies they watch. Unless they are part of a cult that believe god chose them and they will go to heaven or create heaven on the ashes of the planet

HerkyJerky

HerkyJerky

20 minutes ago, circumvent said:

actually think the writing is really poor. The acting is ok, don't think anyone is giving a great performance. TV is about the writing (like theater is about the acting, movies about the directing - generally, of course. Everything needs to line up). If the writing is not good, it gets really hard to get into (my opinion, obviously)

Just curious, circumvent, can you  give an example of what you think IS a really good, well written show? Thanks!

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4 hours ago, HerkyJerky said:

Just curious, circumvent, can you  give an example of what you think IS a really good, well written show? Thanks!

To me a well written show is a show that even when not perfect, I can still suspend disbelief and enjoy the plots because, in balance, there is more good writing than bad.

I am super critical but I really liked This is Us (the reason why I started watching this one, Dan Folgeman) Liked how the stories were connected in the different timelines, so we could understand why something was happening in the present based on the past

I like The Pitt quite a bit. I like the nuanced and not so nuanced criticism of the "healthcare" system in the US

Liked the first season of the Handmaids Tale because it was basically the book. HATED the rest of it and stopped watching at some point

Liked the first season of Code Black for the same reason I like The Pitt, plus it was based on a documentary of the same name, a real story. But then they hired Rob Lowe and he tanked the show

I watch other shows but mostly they serve as background noise. 

I also loved The West Wing when it first aired. Today, I cannot watch that. The neoliberalism of a President that actually, never passed anything. I can appreciate that the writing is riveting, the dialogues fast and sharp, unless you start dissecting the meaning of the things. Then it goes downhill. 

Until relatively recently, I had never watched ER past season 4. I rewatched and I think it is still pretty good, for the most part, except that some characters were terribly written/acted. But it was innovative at the time. 

I guess it is mostly a matter of taste. But basically, if there is some logic to the story, even if with some unbelievable moments, I am pretty ok with them. 

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juliet73

juliet73

This episode was riveting yet scary since I could see this happening IRL.  Unfortunately, I don’t see our president giving us a chance, whether it’s to say goodbye to our loved ones or trying to survive. 
 

This show is show well done, and I’m worried if there is a S2…big shoes to fill!  In the meantime, it better win every award at the Emmys! 

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chaifan

chaifan

2 hours ago, juliet73 said:

This show is show well done, and I’m worried if there is a S2…big shoes to fill!

Paradise has already been renewed for Season 2.  The creator planned this as a 3 season series, and my guess is that he'll get that.  

My guess is that Season 2 focuses on X's search for Teri, but I hope we also still see what's going on in Paradise.  

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Johnny Dollar

Johnny Dollar

Watching Cal make his speeches and wrestle with the ultimate moral dilemma of his decision, I can’t imagine how the current occupant of the WH would act in a similar situation. Actually I can, we’d all be doomed and he would take delight in it all.

Are we really to believe that Cal would be able to find Teri? Sinatra should let him leave, along with his kids, but tell him he can’t come back in. 

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Anela

Anela

I've never understood why anyone would want to be President, because I couldn't handle decisions like this. This event was affecting the whole world anyway, so I'm glad that he used the second option, and gave people a chance. Even if I'm not sure that I would want to survive, and struggle that way. 

I can see why Cal was always drinking, now. 

I doubt they would kill off Xavier's daughter. 

It looked like they were watching tiktok videos, so maybe it's someone who pieced information together, about a billionaire bunker. Or maybe it's just Sinatra, lying again. 

 

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DrSpaceman73

DrSpaceman73

This was my favorite episode of the season so far. So well done. 

 

I wish james marsden could be president now. 

Seems pretty random though Sinatra would find a radio message from his wife out of all the people out there.   Needle in a haystack sort of thing. If it's real.  Dont trust her at all of course. 

13 hours ago, SnarkAttack said:

Agree.  That's why I don't get preppers; why would you want to stick around?  Of course, I'm not exactly young, so that plays into it, lol.

 

I think some preppers secretly, or maybe openly , love the idea of this end if the world scenario where they thrive and could be like king of an almost completely destroyed world.  Morbid fascination of love fir what they always prepared for. 

22 hours ago, Artsda said:

Wow that was riveting to watch, such a great episode from start to finish. 

I think the President did best he could for X wife.  He told him keep her close, X said she didn't listen.  Then Antarctica happened unexpectedly. 

Ironically he may have saved her with his missile decision. 

If she's still alive.  Still not convinced. 

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21 hours ago, chaifan said:

1a.  How did Billy and Jane get there with so little notice?  Were they already embedded in the secret service before the disaster?  Or were they already in Paradise?

All good questions without good answers except for this one: I'm sure Billy and Jane were already in Paradise, along with other essential personnel who had to set up the bunker and maintain it until it was needed. Sinatra wanted to be sure she had her own security people (AKA potential killers) and would have likely hired them well in advance on the condition that they live in the bunker for a long time. (I assume she would have had to tell them why.)

Essential personnel such as engineers, computer techs, and people who are needed to make food (and clothes? a possible answer to your question about where the personalized wardrobes came from) could have been there months or even years, both to do the work and to maintain secrecy. If  they knew why there were doing this work, Sinatra and the government could not risk letting them out once they were down there, even if in some cases they may not have known the exact scope of the project when they first started working there.

I think many supplies were shipped to the bunker well in advance, but you still need a fair amount of people to maintain the bunker and make whatever can't be shipped in advance while waiting for the bunker to actually be needed. It's possible that the President's killer is one of those people who were there in advance.

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