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  1. Do you mean Annie's mother? I thought it was her, since the shot then panned to her dad in the audience. Yes, she saw both her mother and her father in the audience, which made it clear that Annie was either dreaming or hallucinating. I thought that was the perfect lead-in to the empty chair scene.
  2. Good question. I don't know when she could have had the time to either find her real pills in Marsten House or get new ones after they escaped Castle Rock. As far as I could tell, taking care of the elderly patient at the house in Canada was her first post-escape job, and it's unlikely that this patient would be taking the kind of antipsychotics she needed. Maybe she stole a prescription pad from her patient's doctor, or maybe before taking that job she got a temporary job in a doctor's office or hospital. But since these things weren't shown or referred to (as far as I can remember), it does seem like a plot hole.
  3. That makes sense--I knew they went to Canada but forgot that they were in Quebec, which is funny because I even said to my husband that the back of the house and the walkway or dock where Annie was taking care of the elderly patient (and where she drowned Joy) reminded me of a B&B where we stayed in a trip to Quebec 4 years ago. Yes, I saw that too, and it became even stronger when she met Chance and the other independent kids living in the cabins. Considering the events that led to Joy becoming Annie's "daughter," it was definitely a doomed relationship from the start--it was just a matter of time before Joy's loyalty to Annie was outweighed by the need to escape their crazy life.
  4. Agree with all this. I was wondering if they would pan up to show James Caan as Paul Sheldon, but then I realized that wouldn't work because the actor is too old now. Agree that her watching the movie in French and drawing the angel pictures suggest that Amity was in her head, but I don't see how that happened since previously they had shown that people are not changed/possessed until they are killed. Ace was about to kill her when the explosions took place, but before that I don't think she was Amity--she was just in a trance due to the statue. But maybe there was some other mechanism affecting Joy that could have begun the possession by Amity even before Joy was killed to become Amity's vessel.
  5. Yep, as soon as I saw the ice cream scooper I started worrying. Poor Joy! Joy had not yet been murdered and used as a vessel for Amity, so she was still herself though she was under the statue's spell. When the statue was blown up (along with the house) it seemed to break the spell for everyone. I was a bit surprised at how quickly she reacted though. I had some issues with this season but overall liked it, especially when it focused on family issues, especially the complicated parent-child feelings and interactions. I thought it was moving and realistic that Nadia, despite her justifiable anger at Pop and having told him that she would never think of him again if they survived, was apparently devastated when she realized that he had sacrificed himself. He may have been a bad man in some ways, but they had a loving father-daughter relationship before the revelation that he was the one who killed her mother (which to me seemed like a shooting based on misunderstanding her intentions, as can happen in military actions, rather than murder in cold blood--though obviously to Nadia and Abdi the reason wouldn't matter). I also liked the interaction between Annie and Joy (or lack of interaction on Joy's part) between their reunion in Castle Rock and Annie killing her. It made sense that Joy would pull away from her after the initial reunion, because most of what happened to Joy was Annie's fault in one way or another. Annie may have loved her, but she tried to kill Joy's real mother; kidnapped Joy and forced the child to live an abnormal life on the run, including dealing with a severely mentally ill mother; and brought her to Castle Rock, which began the chain of events that led to Joy's ordeal with the devil worshippers, not to mention the events that led to Joy's real mother being killed because Joy was trying to keep her from killing Annie. On top of that, Joy was growing up and, even absent the craziness at Castle Rock and Annie's craziness, would have started to become moody and wanting to be independent--as the woman who hired Annie to be a caretaker for the elderly patient said, "Hormones!" As someone who in adolescence sulked and pulled away from my mother (who also had mental health issues but not as severe as Annie) and who then was on the other side of adolescent attitude when my daughter got to that age, I immediately felt that Joy's behavior was in part due to the adolescent need to pull away. Maybe if Annie had not been so paranoid and had been able to understand this natural developmental phase, as well as the other reasons why Joy would resent or avoid her, they could have gotten through it and eventually had a better relationship (with psychiatric treatment for Annie and a lot of therapy for both of them, and assuming that Joy could forgive Annie's crimes--a big assumption). As I'm writing this, another parent-child parallel occurred to me. Both Joy and Nadia were raised by a parent that killed (or, in the case of Rita, almost killed) the real mother, and in both cases the guilty parent tried to make up for their actions by being the best parent they could be--in Annie's case, making Joy her whole world and reason for living, and being ultraprotective; in Pop's case, giving Nadia love and the best education possible. (I assume he also tried to be a good father to Abdi, but Abdi apparently never trusted him even before he found out the truth of what happened in Somalia.) Both Joy and Nadia returned the parent's devotion until events and revelations tested them, and then both intended to abandon the parent. But as shown by Joy's letter about seeking emancipation and Nadia's grieving reaction to Pop's death, the parent-child bond is not so easily severed even when the parent is toxic.
  6. Yes, that is part of what bothered me and made me think "retcon." He seemed to have a history with her, though I guess it's possible that if he was AI all that time he was cultivating friendships that would be useful. But it still feels off.
  7. My husband and I were saying the same thing during this scene. But I am confused about what kind of group Splinter is and whether the female AI (Helen? I don't remember her name) and Benny are actually part of that group or part of some other group. I think that Jo was blaming the bombings on Splinter, but what was the purpose of the bombings? Maybe to destroy the facilities that could build more Piper-type AIs?
  8. I didn't see it coming either, especially after getting a bad guy vibe from the FBI agent during his encounter with the reporter at the motel (or apartment building? not sure which). But I'm not sure the Benny reveal makes sense in light of everything we have seen previously. If he is an AI (that's what the light in his hand meant, right?), how could he have had a career as a reporter all these years (unless he is just impersonating the real reporter)? If he was working with the female AI who coldly killed Wilkis in the motel room for taking what belonged to her (which seemed to refer to Piper), why couldn't Benny have killed him all the time that Benny was with him in the motel supposedly keeping him safe for Jo. And these are just the big things about Benny as AI that don't make sense to me. Maybe if I rewatch I will notice clues, but for now I am worried that this is a huge retcon. Aside from whether Benny as AI is believable, I am curious to see what they want with Piper. Are they creating an AI community and protecting her (and themselves) from humans? After seeing her murder Wilkis and try to deceive Jo's dad and Alex to get Piper, it's hard to see the female AI as anything but nefarious.
  9. I completely missed both of these things! I just assumed that, when he put on the bomb vest, he planned to kill himself (along with Ace and any other possessed people who got inside) in order to buy Nadia, Abdi, and the others some time to escape. Then when it looked like he tried to detonate it, I assumed that either the detonator had gone bad or he had made a mistake when putting the vest together. I guess if I knew anything about bombs or more generally about technology, I might have realized he removed the battery intentionally. Although I did notice the Haldol bottles and think I remember him looking at them, I didn't see that he injected himself. But I may have looked away briefly because my dog was demanding attention and I had to get up and put treats in his Kong toy! In any case, I was somewhat confused about what was happening during the scenes where Pop and the others were preparing for the invasion.
  10. Yes, I hope this wholesome story line is what they're going for (Piper/Pinocchio becomes a real girl) -- is that a holiday miracle too big to ask for? I'm not usually a fan of miracle stories, but it would be nice to have a happy ending like this!
  11. Paloma

    S02.E08: Dirty

    Good question! I was wondering if Chris retained some of his identity because of the way he was killed--he survived Ace's attack but the final blow was given by the pastor using (I think) some sort of religious object in the church. I'm not Christian or religious in any way, but maybe the use of a religious object and/or the murder taking place in the church resulted in some kind of protective effect? I wonder what the undead plan to do with all of these people. I don't know if they need all of those bodies as receptacles for the Angel worshippers from the 1600s, but maybe they want to expand the number of worshippers to give themselves more power--maybe even to the wider world beyond Castle Rock. OTOH, Ace gave the order in this episode to kill everyone left in town; it's unclear if he means just the people who are not yet under their sway.
  12. Totally agree, but I am still holding on to the possibility of something else going on here regarding Piper looking just like Emily as a child--namely, I am not convinced that the photo Jo was looking at was Emily as a child. I am not even convinced that the woman who claims to be Emily's mom is her mom, but even if she who she claims to be, she seems to be hiding something. It's pretty far-fetched, but could mom have been part of the project that created Piper (or earlier versions)?
  13. Paloma

    S02.E08: Dirty

    I thought that a lot happened! For me it was very creepy and gripping, especially Annie's visions of her mother, the silent parade of hypnotized townspeople, and the scenes with Nadia and Chris. However, I was taken out of it a bit by how easy it was for Annie to go to the kitchen to get a knife and then rescue Joy and get her out of the house--I would have expected the undead in the house to be watching Annie more closely and/or come running when they heard the noises from Annie's murders.
  14. Did she actually admit killing Kindred? That's what I had been assuming, and I'm sure she's capable of hacking the prison system and hiring assassins, but I don't remember her specifically admitting killing him. I do remember Jo accusing Emily (after Jo captured her in the lab in this episode) of two things--I think they were killing Kindred and blowing up buildings--and Emily said something like "I've only done one of those things." So I guess the implication is that she killed Kindred (or had him killed) but didn't blow up the labs. But the new BB seems a likely candidate for arranging Kindred's murder, if Emily didn't do it. Certainly it would make more sense for new BB to have access to the goo pill technology than for Emily to know how to create such a pill. I saw this as her being sick of various outsiders (Owen, Emily, now FBI guy) hanging out at the police station and her having to cater to them. Emily clearly has dark brown eyes vs. Piper's bright blue, so yeah, that whole talking point by mom seems bogus. I was also thinking of hair color and texture, Piper's straight dark brown hair is similar to Jo's but not anything like Emily's lighter and somewhat wavy or curly hair. Not that relatives necessarily look alike or share physical traits, but with the introduction of Emily's mom (if she really is her mom) and the photos, the question of resemblance seems important.
  15. I really enjoyed Hemlock Grove and the sort of vulnerability that Bill's character projected--that's probably why I give him the benefit of the doubt in this series regarding whether he is actually evil.
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