libgirl2 Yest. at 03:04 PM Share Yest. at 03:04 PM 32 minutes ago, MicheleinPhilly said: The James Bond tribute was just dumb. I was texting with my sister during the show and said, "If this doesn't end with the new Bond reveal..." Golden opportunity missed but of course, Bezos wouldn't allow another conglomerate to steal his moment. 🙄 Personally I found the In Memoriam beautifully executed. Tasteful orchestral music with the focus solely on those who have passed rather than a performer or some interpretive dancers. Conan was...fine. I didn't care for the Bond tribute. I didn't see the point. The In Memoriam was nice. I was so glad there were not distractions. They did miss a few people as always, but I get it. I liked Conan. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596767
MicheleinPhilly Yest. at 03:24 PM Share Yest. at 03:24 PM I personally never care who gets included in the In Memoriam and who doesn't. I mean, if they had left out Maggie Smith or James Earl Jones, sure. But other than friends and family of the deceased, I've never understood why people get salty over omissions. It's a limited segment and personally I'm fine with them just sticking with people who where somehow involved with Oscar-nominated films. 🤷♀️ 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596778
SnarkAttack Yest. at 03:25 PM Share Yest. at 03:25 PM 3 hours ago, tv echo said: Conan O'Brien was better than I expected. I usually find him to be silly and not that funny. But his silliness was restrained and he actually made me laugh several times. However, his "won't waste time" song-and-dance number just seemed like unnecessary filler. (I get that was the point, but why do it at all?) Also, I loved the John Lithgow bit, but I'm not a fan of Adam Sandler. If they're going to devote so much air time to live musical performances, then I'd prefer that they just go back to doing live performances of the nominated songs. Good or bad, at least we'd have a better idea of the competition. The James Bond tribute seemed like more of an excuse to have live musical performances than a real tribute. Did we really need three songs performed - which, incidentally, seemed to last ten times as long as the clip montage from Bond films. If they really needed to have a James Bond tribute, why not do a reunion of surviving cast members? Ugh - many acceptance speeches were just too long. I wish they'd just mute the mics after a certain period of time, but tell the nominees ahead of time and give them a 15-second countdown warning on the teleprompter. Also, so many winners this year felt compelled to hug at least five people before even making their way to the stage. Also, when the winner is several people, do they decide ahead of time who will speak or does one person just hog all the time? Gal Gadot looked like an Amazon (pun intended) standing next to Rachel Zegler. Mark Hamill and Goldie Hawn looked good. Meg Ryan and Miley Cyrus were unrecognizable to me. Overall, I thought the show was enjoyable, even though the winners were predictable - with the exception of Best Actress (I thought Demi Moore was going to win) and Best International Film (I thought Emilia Perez was going to win). I love Goldie Hawn, but too much messing with her face. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596780
libgirl2 Yest. at 03:27 PM Share Yest. at 03:27 PM 2 minutes ago, SnarkAttack said: I love Goldie Hawn, but too much messing with her face. Agree, it isn't a good look. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596782
blackwing Yest. at 03:40 PM Share Yest. at 03:40 PM I know that Oscar obviously isn't awarded on sentiment, but it seems clear that sentiment sometimes comes into play. Based on performance with some sentiment thrown in, I wish the Oscars had gone to Ralph Fiennes, Demi Moore, Edward Norton, and Isabella Rossellini. I must be getting old, because I would have loved to have seen these longtime veterans get recognised. Especially Fiennes and Norton, they are so overdue for an Oscar. 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596791
wonderwoman Yest. at 03:45 PM Share Yest. at 03:45 PM 11 hours ago, Sarah 103 said: To me, the Adam Sander bit was a stupid, pointless waste of time. so did i, until i realized that it was a subtle (perhaps, too subtle:) jab at the while house complaining that zelenskyy didn’t wear a suit. 2 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596794
slowpoked Yest. at 03:57 PM Share Yest. at 03:57 PM 9 minutes ago, wonderwoman said: so did i, until i realized that it was a subtle (perhaps, too subtle:) jab at the while house complaining that zelenskyy didn’t wear a suit. It was fine, if that was indeed the point. But like your typical SNL skit, it just went on for too long. And it didn’t help that Conan then went on to do his not wasting time bit, instead of going to the first presenter. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596796
Luckylyn Yest. at 04:15 PM Share Yest. at 04:15 PM Anora subverts the Pretty Woman romance, and I think it’s a great movie. Annie thinks she’s being loved but she’s being toyed with. As a result she’s put through a heartbreaking experience. Her performance was so fantastic. She’s jaded and pragmatic but there’s that bit of romantic in her that Vanya gets her to show just for his family to stomp on her vulnerability. It has dramatic and comedic elements. The performance of the actor playing Igor who is the only person who recognizes that Annie is a human being is amazing work. He has so little dialogue and so his performance has to express so much. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596802
ProudMary Yest. at 04:57 PM Share Yest. at 04:57 PM (edited) 1 hour ago, MicheleinPhilly said: I've never understood why people get salty over omissions. It's a limited segment and personally I'm fine with them just sticking with people who where somehow involved with Oscar-nominated films. 🤷♀️ I agree, and that's why I was surprised by the omission of Mitzi Gaynor. She was a big star in the 1950s and had the lead role in South Pacific, which was an Oscar winning film. Edited Yest. at 04:59 PM by ProudMary 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596817
libgirl2 Yest. at 05:01 PM Share Yest. at 05:01 PM 2 minutes ago, ProudMary said: I agree, and that's why I was surprised by the omission of Mitzi Gaynor. She was a big star in the 1950s and had the lead role in South Pacific, which was an Oscar winning film. Wow. I didn't even think about her. I know another name mentioned was Olivia Hussey. She was in Romeo and Juliet which was nominated and won a couple of awards. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596819
tv echo Yest. at 05:58 PM Author Share Yest. at 05:58 PM (edited) Oscars Snubs and Surprises: Mikey Madison Scores, ‘I’m Still Here’ Shocks and Diane Warren Has 16th Straight Loss By William Earl Mar 2, 2025 https://variety.com/2025/awards/news/2025-oscars-snubs-surprises-1236319091/ Quote Snub: Supporting acting as an art form With absolutely no offense to best supporting winners Zoe Saldaña and Kieran Culkin, it’s disappointing that the night’s least surprising wins were category fraud. There is no universe where these two performances aren’t co-leads who carried their films. Is the lead actor category super competitive? Well, submit it anyway because it’s correct — and if you don’t win, it wasn’t meant to be. In its most compelling form, a supporting actor adds a much different spice to a movie than a lead, and we might as well axe the category if the distinction isn’t respected. Surprise: Mikey Madison wins over award season darling Demi Moore Snub: Original Song performances nixed Surprise: “I’m Still Here” takes best international feature over “Emilia Pérez” Snub: Supporting acting as an art form Surprise: “Flow” takes best animated feature Snub: Diane Warren’s losing streak continues Surprise: Sean Baker wins best editing Snub: Michelle Trachtenberg, Tony Todd and the other big names omitted from the In Memoriam Surprise: “Emilia Pérez” tied for biggest Oscar loser of all time. Surprise: “No Other Land” wins best documentary, even without U.S. distribution Surprise: Adrien Brody asked for the music to stop during his best actor acceptance speech…and it did! Surprise: Young Hollywood delivered fashion wins after a drab awards season Edited Yest. at 06:00 PM by tv echo 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596854
wonderwoman Yest. at 06:02 PM Share Yest. at 06:02 PM one more surprise: mick jagger presenting best song — loved seeing him have so much fun! 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596859
libgirl2 Yest. at 06:05 PM Share Yest. at 06:05 PM 2 minutes ago, wonderwoman said: one more surprise: mick jagger presenting best song — loved seeing him have so much fun! I was totally surprised. And they guy looked good! 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596863
slowpoked Yest. at 06:10 PM Share Yest. at 06:10 PM Despite the loss, I do hope Demi Moore will end up working in more movies, or TV, in this renaissance of her career. I hope this Oscar run is more of a new chapter rather an epilogue. I look to Nicole Kidman who has reinvented herself as this powerhouse girlboss in both film and TV production at this stage of her career. And I hope Demi gets some of that similar arc. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596868
slowpoked Yest. at 06:23 PM Share Yest. at 06:23 PM 3 hours ago, libgirl2 said: didn't care for the Bond tribute. I didn't see the point. To Molly McNearney’s point - a perfect example of a lengthy production bit that didn’t have a payoff. And the only payoff would have been the introduction of the new Bond. Margaret Qualley would have been better off as a presenter. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596880
mariah23 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago Adrien Brody broke an 82-year-old Oscar record: the longest acceptance speech ever at 5 minutes, 30 seconds (?) beating Greer Garson who won for Mrs. Miniver. 1 2 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596898
dmeets 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago (edited) Looks like Adrien "not my first rodeo" Brody set the record for longest acceptance speech at 5 minutes 30 seconds, beating a record held by Greer Garson since 1943! (Edit: GMTA @mariah23) Edited 23 hours ago by dmeets 1 1 11 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596901
KittyQ 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago I kept thinking that Demi Moore is looking more and more like Courtney Cox, especially in some angles. I like Anora, but it didn't seem like a Best Picture winner to me. Not the first time that a film beat out the more likely competition, though. Similarly, I didn't think that Mikey Madison was so much better than Demi Moore, although she certainly was more flexible. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596908
Crashcourse 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago The only thing I'd seen Mikey Madison in was when Leo DiCaprio flamed her in the swimming pool in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. I look forward to seeing her in Anora. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596930
absnow54 23 hours ago Share 23 hours ago 3 hours ago, slowpoked said: It was fine, if that was indeed the point. But like your typical SNL skit, it just went on for too long. And it didn’t help that Conan then went on to do his not wasting time bit, instead of going to the first presenter. I typically love Conan O’Brien’s humor, but the pacing for the opening was all over the place. There was no cohesive payoff, just a bunch of punchlines thrown at the wall. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596932
slowpoked 22 hours ago Share 22 hours ago 3 hours ago, Luckylyn said: Anora subverts the Pretty Woman romance, and I think it’s a great movie. Annie thinks she’s being loved but she’s being toyed with. As a result she’s put through a heartbreaking experience. Her performance was so fantastic. She’s jaded and pragmatic but there’s that bit of romantic in her that Vanya gets her to show just for his family to stomp on her vulnerability. It has dramatic and comedic elements. The performance of the actor playing Igor who is the only person who recognizes that Annie is a human being is amazing work. He has so little dialogue and so his performance has to express so much. Sean Baker’s work has focused on the plight of sex workers - prostitutes, strippers, porn stars, etc. He finally gets his breakthrough when he penned a love story. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8596942
ProudMary 21 hours ago Share 21 hours ago 1 hour ago, mariah23 said: Adrien Brody broke an 82-year-old Oscar record: the longest acceptance speech ever at 5 minutes, 30 seconds (?) beating Greer Garson who won for Mrs. Miniver. 1 hour ago, dmeets said: Looks like Adrien "not my first rodeo" Brody set the record for longest acceptance speech at 5 minutes 30 seconds, beating a record held by Greer Garson since 1943! (Edit: GMTA @mariah23) I'm not sure that's the case. Greer Garson's speech was actually seven minutes long, but only just under four minutes of archival footage of the speech exists. It makes sense that there would be some confusion. The story behind the longest Oscars acceptance speech in history https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/features/oscars-longest-acceptance-speech-greer-garson-b2696159.html Her acceptance speech remains, to this day, the longest in the history of the Academy Awards. While today’s winners are asked to keep to 45 seconds (although they frequently go beyond, at which point a music cue lets them know it’s time to wrap up), Garson spoke for a comparatively generous seven minutes. The speech, sadly, wasn’t preserved in full. Even the Academy of Motion Picture Arts & Sciences, which organises the Oscars each year, says it has newsreel footage of “only portions” of Garson’s address – for a total of three minutes and 56 seconds. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597004
MicheleinPhilly 21 hours ago Share 21 hours ago (edited) When he was droning on and on and on and on making himself sound like a washed up starlet, I actually thought, for about 5 seconds, that he would apologize to Halle Berry for his behavior last go-round. Alas, that would have required him removing his head from his ass. EDIT: And literally 2 minutes after posting that, I saw that she "got him back" on the red carpet so it looks like she doesn't harbor any feelings of ill will. Edited 21 hours ago by MicheleinPhilly Context 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597016
libgirl2 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago Another thing I wasn't so into was the Quincy Jones tribute. First, I didn't think that was the best song. Second, I would rather have seen a montage of the songs he wrote/produced. This and the James Bond were odd music moments. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597061
Quickbeam 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago The best laugh I got last night was the Conan line about Cillian Murphy….”we’re the exact same gene pool and, well….” 5 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597076
slowpoked 20 hours ago Share 20 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Quickbeam said: The best laugh I got last night was the Conan line about Cillian Murphy….”we’re the exact same gene pool and, well….” My favorite joke of Conan was, aside from the Russian (which wasn’t a joke, I guess), was when he used the excess usage of the f word in Anora to segue to Karla’s PR nightmare: ”You tweeted WHAT?!?!?!?!?!” ”If you’re going to tweet about the host tonight, my name is Jimmy Kimmel.” It was a great way to reference to her scandal without directly wading into the specifics of the scandal (homophobia, racism, etc.). A joke that didn’t land for me was that joke about Nicole Kidman and Antonio Banderas. Just doesn’t have the same punch if the butt of your jokes aren’t present. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597091
Is Everyone Gone 18 hours ago Share 18 hours ago It always makes me sad when aging Hollywood actresses decide to get a whole new face, bc they naturally are more beautiful than 99% of the population. If they did NOTHING other than good skin-care they'd still be gorgeous. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597171
annzeepark914 18 hours ago Share 18 hours ago 9 minutes ago, Is Everyone Gone said: It always makes me sad when aging Hollywood actresses decide to get a whole new face, bc they naturally are more beautiful than 99% of the population. If they did NOTHING other than good skin-care they'd still be gorgeous. IMO, the plastic surgeons out there must not be very good. All these beautiful women need is just some "freshening up" (i.e., nothing extreme, for Pete's sake!!) 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597180
Is Everyone Gone 17 hours ago Share 17 hours ago 7 minutes ago, annzeepark914 said: IMO, the plastic surgeons out there must not be very good. All these beautiful women need is just some "freshening up" (i.e., nothing extreme, for Pete's sake!!) Yeah that's the part I don't get. I feel like all these gorgeous women need is a tiny nip/tuck and maybe some Botox touch-ups. They certainly don't need a brand new face. Their old face was already beautiful. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597184
Sarah 103 16 hours ago Share 16 hours ago 3 hours ago, libgirl2 said: Another thing I wasn't so into was the Quincy Jones tribute. First, I didn't think that was the best song. Second, I would rather have seen a montage of the songs he wrote/produced. This and the James Bond were odd music moments. Yes! Part of the problem with doing "Ease on Down the Road" was that it seemed more like it was part 2 of the Wizard of Oz/Wicked tribute that started the show, as opposed to its own separate thing/moment honoring the legend that is Quincy Jones. 4 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597285
ProudMary 15 hours ago Share 15 hours ago We actually had three songs from The Wiz last night. Cynthia Erivo did a nice version of "Home" in the opener, Queen Latifah performed "Ease on Down the Road" during the Quincy Jones tribute, and after Conan signed off, the orchestra played "Brand New Day" as the exit music. I loved all of it! Long ago, I saw The Wiz on Broadway with the original cast so I'm just a little biased. 🙂 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597359
pinkandsparkly13 15 hours ago Share 15 hours ago 8 hours ago, KittyQ said: I kept thinking that Demi Moore is looking more and more like Courtney Cox, especially in some angles I haven't seen the movie, but after it came out I saw some YouTube review videos about it with her in the thumbnail. I didn't watch the videos so I legitimately thought it was Courteney Cox for the longest time. Ha. It wasn't until awards season came about that I realized it was Demi Moore. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597366
libgirl2 6 hours ago Share 6 hours ago 8 hours ago, ProudMary said: We actually had three songs from The Wiz last night. Cynthia Erivo did a nice version of "Home" in the opener, Queen Latifah performed "Ease on Down the Road" during the Quincy Jones tribute, and after Conan signed off, the orchestra played "Brand New Day" as the exit music. I loved all of it! Long ago, I saw The Wiz on Broadway with the original cast so I'm just a little biased. 🙂 Maybe TPTB knew that Wicked wasn't going to win best picture or acting awards and thought this was a nice way to give them tribute? lol! 8 hours ago, pinkandsparkly13 said: I haven't seen the movie, but after it came out I saw some YouTube review videos about it with her in the thumbnail. I didn't watch the videos so I legitimately thought it was Courteney Cox for the longest time. Ha. It wasn't until awards season came about that I realized it was Demi Moore. It was a good movie though the ending was off the wall. Demi Moore was fantastic in it. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597510
tv echo 3 hours ago Author Share 3 hours ago (edited) Oscars Audience Dips 7% But Delivers Multi-Year Highs in Demos By Matt Webb Mitovich March 3, 2025 https://tvline.com/awards/2025-oscars-viewership-down-1235415546/ Quote ABC‘s broadcast of the 97th Academy Awards, winningly hosted by Conan O’Brien but spanning three hours and 50 minutes, delivered 18.1 million total viewers on Sunday night, down 7% from last year’s crowd to mark a three-year low. In the Adults 18-49 demo, the Oscars scored a 3.92 rating, marking a two-year high. And among Adults 18-34, the ceremony posed a five-year high (3.17 rating). Oscars 2025: The 12 Best, Worst and Weirdest Moments By Andy Swift, Dave Nemetz, Matt Webb Mitovich March 2, 2025 https://tvline.com/lists/oscars-2025-review-best-worst-moments/ WORST: You’ve got the wrong Rachel! BEST: It’s a shoe, it’s a dress, it’s… Ariana Grande! BEST: The Sandman cometh (again) WORST: Conan wastes our time BEST: Kieran Culkin wants more Culkins WEIRDEST: James Bond tribute is forever (or at least feels like it) BEST: Zoe Saldaña’s mane squeeze BEST: Mick Jagger is a star among stars WEIRDEST: The Emilia Pérez performance no one saw coming BEST: Morgan Freeman’s heartfelt tribute to a friend WORST: Getting to know each nominee (a little too well) WORST: Adrien Brody plays off the orchestra Edited 3 hours ago by tv echo 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597582
yowsah1 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago And the Oscar goes to... Sue. Looks like the ANORA backlash has begun... Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597594
libgirl2 3 hours ago Share 3 hours ago 11 minutes ago, yowsah1 said: And the Oscar goes to... Sue. Looks like the ANORA backlash has begun... I'm not surprised. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597603
sugarbaker design 2 hours ago Share 2 hours ago (edited) 58 minutes ago, yowsah1 said: And the Oscar goes to... Sue. Looks like the ANORA backlash has begun... This is hilarious! What a ridiculous column. Edited 2 hours ago by sugarbaker design Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597620
slowpoked 1 hour ago Share 1 hour ago (edited) 2 hours ago, yowsah1 said: And the Oscar goes to... Sue. Looks like the ANORA backlash has begun... Interesting article. Like you mentioned previously, it does reference Demi’s past “reputation” of being a difficult person. Whether that’s true, who knows. I remember there was an article where a director or producer questioned her being cast in AFGM if she was not going to have a romance plot with Tom Cruise. She may have been a PITA for directors/producers, but it seems her fellow actors adore her. Lucy, Drew and Cameron all showed up to support her at a recent event, and she did win SAG. I figure if her fellow actors can’t stand her, that would have been obvious during this awards season. Edited 1 hour ago by slowpoked 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597659
Spartan Girl 1 hour ago Share 1 hour ago On 3/3/2025 at 9:23 AM, Wiendish Fitch said: I'm in a bind: I thought Anora was merely okay. On the other hand, I'm so glad it swept the Oscars as opposed to Emilia Perez. On the other hand... ooooohhhh, I wanted Wicked to be the Oscars sweeper in the worst way, but I should have known it wouldn't be. You know why that is? *deep breath* POPULAR! It was too pop-yoo-ooo-lar! Didn't feel like critics' bait Or inspire hate Or make one feel respectfully bored! And that is why The real reason why Wicked didn't win ev'ry awaaaaarrrrrd! La, la, la, la.... And there is always next year with Wicked: For Good. The Godfather Part II and Return of the King won Ocars, I'm just saying... 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/151550-the-97th-academy-awards/page/11/#findComment-8597687
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